No backup



Ron Patterson
07-10-2005, 12:04 AM
RE: Word 2002
When I create a new document and save it (often several times) Word will
not create a backup. And yes, when I go to Save As - Tools - Save Options,
"Always Create Backup" is always checked, but no backup is created.
Thanks
Ron

Doug Robbins
07-10-2005, 12:04 AM
It will be saved with a filename

Backup of [filename].wbk

Is that the type of file you are looking for?

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"Ron Patterson" <a.baba@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:XyZte.7029$hK3.5933@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> RE: Word 2002
> When I create a new document and save it (often several times) Word
> will not create a backup. And yes, when I go to Save As - Tools - Save
> Options, "Always Create Backup" is always checked, but no backup is
> created.
> Thanks
> Ron
>

Ron Patterson
07-10-2005, 12:04 AM
Thanks Doug,

Yes, I am looking for a .wbk file.
However, I have found out more info.

The program is acting really strange.
If I start a new document and save it, no backup is made.
If I then close, and reopen the doc and save it a backup is made.

If I open and change the doc and save it, the backup will not update until I
close it, and reopen it and save it. Then the backup will show the previous
changes to the doc.
Ergo, the backup only seems to work correctly once I save and close a doc
and then reopen and resave it.

Any thoughts?
Ron
"Doug Robbins" <dkr@REMOVEmvps.org> wrote in message
news:uS2%23AfpdFHA.3012@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> It will be saved with a filename
>
> Backup of [filename].wbk
>
> Is that the type of file you are looking for?
>
> --
> Hope this helps.
>
> Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my
> services on a paid consulting basis.
>
> Doug Robbins - Word MVP
> "Ron Patterson" <a.baba@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:XyZte.7029$hK3.5933@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> RE: Word 2002
>> When I create a new document and save it (often several times) Word
>> will not create a backup. And yes, when I go to Save As - Tools - Save
>> Options, "Always Create Backup" is always checked, but no backup is
>> created.
>> Thanks
>> Ron
>>
>
>

JR
07-10-2005, 12:04 AM
Thats exactly the way backup is supposed to work !
John

"Ron Patterson" <a.baba@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:rG_te.7504$NX4.3142@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> Thanks Doug,
>
> Yes, I am looking for a .wbk file.
> However, I have found out more info.
>
> The program is acting really strange.
> If I start a new document and save it, no backup is made.
> If I then close, and reopen the doc and save it a backup is made.
>
> If I open and change the doc and save it, the backup will not update until
> I close it, and reopen it and save it. Then the backup will show the
> previous changes to the doc.
> Ergo, the backup only seems to work correctly once I save and close a doc
> and then reopen and resave it.
>
> Any thoughts?
> Ron
> "Doug Robbins" <dkr@REMOVEmvps.org> wrote in message
> news:uS2%23AfpdFHA.3012@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> It will be saved with a filename
>>
>> Backup of [filename].wbk
>>
>> Is that the type of file you are looking for?
>>
>> --
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my
>> services on a paid consulting basis.
>>
>> Doug Robbins - Word MVP
>> "Ron Patterson" <a.baba@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>> news:XyZte.7029$hK3.5933@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>> RE: Word 2002
>>> When I create a new document and save it (often several times) Word
>>> will not create a backup. And yes, when I go to Save As - Tools - Save
>>> Options, "Always Create Backup" is always checked, but no backup is
>>> created.
>>> Thanks
>>> Ron
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

TF
07-10-2005, 12:04 AM
That's how it works. Crap, isn't it? It really isn't a backup as such: Word
just retains the previous version as a 'backup'. If the current version
crashes out before being saved, you can only go back to the version saved
prior to the current editing session. So back up frequently (or get Windows
2003 server)!

--
Terry Farrell - Word MVP
http://word.mvps.org/

"Ron Patterson" <a.baba@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:rG_te.7504$NX4.3142@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
: Thanks Doug,
:
: Yes, I am looking for a .wbk file.
: However, I have found out more info.
:
: The program is acting really strange.
: If I start a new document and save it, no backup is made.
: If I then close, and reopen the doc and save it a backup is made.
:
: If I open and change the doc and save it, the backup will not update until
I
: close it, and reopen it and save it. Then the backup will show the
previous
: changes to the doc.
: Ergo, the backup only seems to work correctly once I save and close a doc
: and then reopen and resave it.
:
: Any thoughts?
: Ron
: "Doug Robbins" <dkr@REMOVEmvps.org> wrote in message
: news:uS2%23AfpdFHA.3012@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
: > It will be saved with a filename
: >
: > Backup of [filename].wbk
: >
: > Is that the type of file you are looking for?
: >
: > --
: > Hope this helps.
: >
: > Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my
: > services on a paid consulting basis.
: >
: > Doug Robbins - Word MVP
: > "Ron Patterson" <a.baba@mindspring.com> wrote in message
: > news:XyZte.7029$hK3.5933@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
: >> RE: Word 2002
: >> When I create a new document and save it (often several times) Word
: >> will not create a backup. And yes, when I go to Save As - Tools - Save
: >> Options, "Always Create Backup" is always checked, but no backup is
: >> created.
: >> Thanks
: >> Ron
: >>
: >
: >
:
:
:

Ron Patterson
07-10-2005, 12:04 AM
Thanks Terry, John, and Doug

I hear what you are saying, but I can't believe it. This is nuts.
Why would I want a backup of an older version of a file. It only makes
sense
to backup the current version. I guess I can do this by saving the file,
closing it, and reopening and saving it again. Duh !!
Ron


"TF" <terryfarrell%40%6d%73%6e%2ecom> wrote in message
news:uxXZrjqdFHA.4040@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> That's how it works. Crap, isn't it? It really isn't a backup as such:
> Word
> just retains the previous version as a 'backup'. If the current version
> crashes out before being saved, you can only go back to the version saved
> prior to the current editing session. So back up frequently (or get
> Windows
> 2003 server)!
>
> --
> Terry Farrell - Word MVP
> http://word.mvps.org/
>
> "Ron Patterson" <a.baba@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:rG_te.7504$NX4.3142@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> : Thanks Doug,
> :
> : Yes, I am looking for a .wbk file.
> : However, I have found out more info.
> :
> : The program is acting really strange.
> : If I start a new document and save it, no backup is made.
> : If I then close, and reopen the doc and save it a backup is made.
> :
> : If I open and change the doc and save it, the backup will not update
> until
> I
> : close it, and reopen it and save it. Then the backup will show the
> previous
> : changes to the doc.
> : Ergo, the backup only seems to work correctly once I save and close a
> doc
> : and then reopen and resave it.
> :
> : Any thoughts?
> : Ron
> : "Doug Robbins" <dkr@REMOVEmvps.org> wrote in message
> : news:uS2%23AfpdFHA.3012@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> : > It will be saved with a filename
> : >
> : > Backup of [filename].wbk
> : >
> : > Is that the type of file you are looking for?
> : >
> : > --
> : > Hope this helps.
> : >
> : > Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my
> : > services on a paid consulting basis.
> : >
> : > Doug Robbins - Word MVP
> : > "Ron Patterson" <a.baba@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> : > news:XyZte.7029$hK3.5933@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> : >> RE: Word 2002
> : >> When I create a new document and save it (often several times)
> Word
> : >> will not create a backup. And yes, when I go to Save As - Tools -
> Save
> : >> Options, "Always Create Backup" is always checked, but no backup is
> : >> created.
> : >> Thanks
> : >> Ron
> : >>
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
> :
>
>

Suzanne S. Barnhill
07-10-2005, 12:04 AM
See http://word.mvps.org/faqs/general/AutomaticSave.htm

--
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Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Ron Patterson" <a.baba@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:Ja0ue.7528$NX4.1222@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> Thanks Terry, John, and Doug
>
> I hear what you are saying, but I can't believe it. This is nuts.
> Why would I want a backup of an older version of a file. It only makes
> sense
> to backup the current version. I guess I can do this by saving the file,
> closing it, and reopening and saving it again. Duh !!
> Ron
>
>
> "TF" <terryfarrell%40%6d%73%6e%2ecom> wrote in message
> news:uxXZrjqdFHA.4040@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> > That's how it works. Crap, isn't it? It really isn't a backup as such:
> > Word
> > just retains the previous version as a 'backup'. If the current version
> > crashes out before being saved, you can only go back to the version
saved
> > prior to the current editing session. So back up frequently (or get
> > Windows
> > 2003 server)!
> >
> > --
> > Terry Farrell - Word MVP
> > http://word.mvps.org/
> >
> > "Ron Patterson" <a.baba@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> > news:rG_te.7504$NX4.3142@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> > : Thanks Doug,
> > :
> > : Yes, I am looking for a .wbk file.
> > : However, I have found out more info.
> > :
> > : The program is acting really strange.
> > : If I start a new document and save it, no backup is made.
> > : If I then close, and reopen the doc and save it a backup is made.
> > :
> > : If I open and change the doc and save it, the backup will not update
> > until
> > I
> > : close it, and reopen it and save it. Then the backup will show the
> > previous
> > : changes to the doc.
> > : Ergo, the backup only seems to work correctly once I save and close a
> > doc
> > : and then reopen and resave it.
> > :
> > : Any thoughts?
> > : Ron
> > : "Doug Robbins" <dkr@REMOVEmvps.org> wrote in message
> > : news:uS2%23AfpdFHA.3012@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > : > It will be saved with a filename
> > : >
> > : > Backup of [filename].wbk
> > : >
> > : > Is that the type of file you are looking for?
> > : >
> > : > --
> > : > Hope this helps.
> > : >
> > : > Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of
my
> > : > services on a paid consulting basis.
> > : >
> > : > Doug Robbins - Word MVP
> > : > "Ron Patterson" <a.baba@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> > : > news:XyZte.7029$hK3.5933@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> > : >> RE: Word 2002
> > : >> When I create a new document and save it (often several times)
> > Word
> > : >> will not create a backup. And yes, when I go to Save As - Tools -
> > Save
> > : >> Options, "Always Create Backup" is always checked, but no backup is
> > : >> created.
> > : >> Thanks
> > : >> Ron
> > : >>
> > : >
> > : >
> > :
> > :
> > :
> >
> >
>
>
>

Graham Mayor
07-10-2005, 12:04 AM
wbk is not a true backup but a copy of the file before it was saved. If you
want an exact backup, you need a different approach. See
http://www.gmayor.com/automatically_backup.htm

--
<>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>><<>
Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org
<>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>><<>



Ron Patterson wrote:
> Thanks Doug,
>
> Yes, I am looking for a .wbk file.
> However, I have found out more info.
>
> The program is acting really strange.
> If I start a new document and save it, no backup is made.
> If I then close, and reopen the doc and save it a backup is made.
>
> If I open and change the doc and save it, the backup will not update
> until I close it, and reopen it and save it. Then the backup will
> show the previous changes to the doc.
> Ergo, the backup only seems to work correctly once I save and close a
> doc and then reopen and resave it.
>
> Any thoughts?
> Ron
> "Doug Robbins" <dkr@REMOVEmvps.org> wrote in message
> news:uS2%23AfpdFHA.3012@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> It will be saved with a filename
>>
>> Backup of [filename].wbk
>>
>> Is that the type of file you are looking for?
>>
>> --
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my
>> services on a paid consulting basis.
>>
>> Doug Robbins - Word MVP
>> "Ron Patterson" <a.baba@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>> news:XyZte.7029$hK3.5933@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>> RE: Word 2002
>>> When I create a new document and save it (often several times)
>>> Word will not create a backup. And yes, when I go to Save As -
>>> Tools - Save Options, "Always Create Backup" is always checked, but
>>> no backup is created.
>>> Thanks
>>> Ron

Ron Patterson
07-10-2005, 12:04 AM
Oh my. Where has this information been all my life. I have confronted
these 'auto backup' issues forever. At last the truth be told about this
'feature'(?) and the other mis-named 'features'. (Like I thought
'auto-save'
was really saving my work as I went along. Duh!)

I guess to really make a current backup of a new doc, I have to save, close,
and reopen the .doc file and make a subtle change and then save it? The
backup copy will not
be created until the original is changed and saved? You can create and save
a new doc over and over and no backup file is created unless you make a
change to the original? Is this the drill?

Thank you so much Suzanne.
Ron

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:%23BLUA3rdFHA.3224@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> See http://word.mvps.org/faqs/general/AutomaticSave.htm
>
> --
> Suzanne S. Barnhill
> Microsoft MVP (Word)
> Words into Type
> Fairhope, Alabama USA
> Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
> Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup
> so
> all may benefit.
>
> "Ron Patterson" <a.baba@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:Ja0ue.7528$NX4.1222@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> Thanks Terry, John, and Doug
>>
>> I hear what you are saying, but I can't believe it. This is nuts.
>> Why would I want a backup of an older version of a file. It only makes
>> sense
>> to backup the current version. I guess I can do this by saving the file,
>> closing it, and reopening and saving it again. Duh !!
>> Ron
>>
>>
>> "TF" <terryfarrell%40%6d%73%6e%2ecom> wrote in message
>> news:uxXZrjqdFHA.4040@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> > That's how it works. Crap, isn't it? It really isn't a backup as such:
>> > Word
>> > just retains the previous version as a 'backup'. If the current version
>> > crashes out before being saved, you can only go back to the version
> saved
>> > prior to the current editing session. So back up frequently (or get
>> > Windows
>> > 2003 server)!
>> >
>> > --
>> > Terry Farrell - Word MVP
>> > http://word.mvps.org/
>> >
>> > "Ron Patterson" <a.baba@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>> > news:rG_te.7504$NX4.3142@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> > : Thanks Doug,
>> > :
>> > : Yes, I am looking for a .wbk file.
>> > : However, I have found out more info.
>> > :
>> > : The program is acting really strange.
>> > : If I start a new document and save it, no backup is made.
>> > : If I then close, and reopen the doc and save it a backup is made.
>> > :
>> > : If I open and change the doc and save it, the backup will not update
>> > until
>> > I
>> > : close it, and reopen it and save it. Then the backup will show the
>> > previous
>> > : changes to the doc.
>> > : Ergo, the backup only seems to work correctly once I save and close a
>> > doc
>> > : and then reopen and resave it.
>> > :
>> > : Any thoughts?
>> > : Ron
>> > : "Doug Robbins" <dkr@REMOVEmvps.org> wrote in message
>> > : news:uS2%23AfpdFHA.3012@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> > : > It will be saved with a filename
>> > : >
>> > : > Backup of [filename].wbk
>> > : >
>> > : > Is that the type of file you are looking for?
>> > : >
>> > : > --
>> > : > Hope this helps.
>> > : >
>> > : > Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of
> my
>> > : > services on a paid consulting basis.
>> > : >
>> > : > Doug Robbins - Word MVP
>> > : > "Ron Patterson" <a.baba@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>> > : > news:XyZte.7029$hK3.5933@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> > : >> RE: Word 2002
>> > : >> When I create a new document and save it (often several times)
>> > Word
>> > : >> will not create a backup. And yes, when I go to Save As - Tools -
>> > Save
>> > : >> Options, "Always Create Backup" is always checked, but no backup
>> > is
>> > : >> created.
>> > : >> Thanks
>> > : >> Ron
>> > : >>
>> > : >
>> > : >
>> > :
>> > :
>> > :
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>

Suzanne S. Barnhill
07-10-2005, 12:04 AM
Correct. Because the backup file is always one back, it is not created till
the second time you save. But if you follow our advice to save early and
often, you will have saved *many* times before you ever complete a single
document session. And again, note that there is no "AutoSave," only
AutoRecover.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Ron Patterson" <a.baba@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:yfkue.7603$hK3.1958@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> Oh my. Where has this information been all my life. I have confronted
> these 'auto backup' issues forever. At last the truth be told about this
> 'feature'(?) and the other mis-named 'features'. (Like I thought
> 'auto-save'
> was really saving my work as I went along. Duh!)
>
> I guess to really make a current backup of a new doc, I have to save,
close,
> and reopen the .doc file and make a subtle change and then save it? The
> backup copy will not
> be created until the original is changed and saved? You can create and
save
> a new doc over and over and no backup file is created unless you make a
> change to the original? Is this the drill?
>
> Thank you so much Suzanne.
> Ron
>
> "Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:%23BLUA3rdFHA.3224@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > See http://word.mvps.org/faqs/general/AutomaticSave.htm
> >
> > --
> > Suzanne S. Barnhill
> > Microsoft MVP (Word)
> > Words into Type
> > Fairhope, Alabama USA
> > Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
> > Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup
> > so
> > all may benefit.
> >
> > "Ron Patterson" <a.baba@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> > news:Ja0ue.7528$NX4.1222@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> >> Thanks Terry, John, and Doug
> >>
> >> I hear what you are saying, but I can't believe it. This is nuts.
> >> Why would I want a backup of an older version of a file. It only makes
> >> sense
> >> to backup the current version. I guess I can do this by saving the
file,
> >> closing it, and reopening and saving it again. Duh !!
> >> Ron
> >>
> >>
> >> "TF" <terryfarrell%40%6d%73%6e%2ecom> wrote in message
> >> news:uxXZrjqdFHA.4040@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> >> > That's how it works. Crap, isn't it? It really isn't a backup as
such:
> >> > Word
> >> > just retains the previous version as a 'backup'. If the current
version
> >> > crashes out before being saved, you can only go back to the version
> > saved
> >> > prior to the current editing session. So back up frequently (or get
> >> > Windows
> >> > 2003 server)!
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Terry Farrell - Word MVP
> >> > http://word.mvps.org/
> >> >
> >> > "Ron Patterson" <a.baba@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:rG_te.7504$NX4.3142@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> >> > : Thanks Doug,
> >> > :
> >> > : Yes, I am looking for a .wbk file.
> >> > : However, I have found out more info.
> >> > :
> >> > : The program is acting really strange.
> >> > : If I start a new document and save it, no backup is made.
> >> > : If I then close, and reopen the doc and save it a backup is made.
> >> > :
> >> > : If I open and change the doc and save it, the backup will not
update
> >> > until
> >> > I
> >> > : close it, and reopen it and save it. Then the backup will show the
> >> > previous
> >> > : changes to the doc.
> >> > : Ergo, the backup only seems to work correctly once I save and close
a
> >> > doc
> >> > : and then reopen and resave it.
> >> > :
> >> > : Any thoughts?
> >> > : Ron
> >> > : "Doug Robbins" <dkr@REMOVEmvps.org> wrote in message
> >> > : news:uS2%23AfpdFHA.3012@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> >> > : > It will be saved with a filename
> >> > : >
> >> > : > Backup of [filename].wbk
> >> > : >
> >> > : > Is that the type of file you are looking for?
> >> > : >
> >> > : > --
> >> > : > Hope this helps.
> >> > : >
> >> > : > Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself
of
> > my
> >> > : > services on a paid consulting basis.
> >> > : >
> >> > : > Doug Robbins - Word MVP
> >> > : > "Ron Patterson" <a.baba@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> >> > : > news:XyZte.7029$hK3.5933@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> >> > : >> RE: Word 2002
> >> > : >> When I create a new document and save it (often several
times)
> >> > Word
> >> > : >> will not create a backup. And yes, when I go to Save As -
Tools -
> >> > Save
> >> > : >> Options, "Always Create Backup" is always checked, but no backup
> >> > is
> >> > : >> created.
> >> > : >> Thanks
> >> > : >> Ron
> >> > : >>
> >> > : >
> >> > : >
> >> > :
> >> > :
> >> > :
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>


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