Bootleg SOFTWARE



jeb2005
07-09-2005, 11:51 PM
I bought a computer along with some other items from an individual online and
I thought it was coming with a copy of WIN 98 SE, but what I got was a
'copied' version of WIN 98 SE. How should I resolve this?

Jack
07-09-2005, 11:51 PM
Microsoft wants you to rat out that person for a free copy of Windows XP.
Nobody will stop you from using the bootleg (except maybe Microsoft since
they've got your IP from the post and may take the time and effort to track
you down), so you might as well keep using it.

http://www.microsoft.com/piracy -- As much as I hate to link people to it

Shenan Stanley
07-09-2005, 11:51 PM
jeb2005 wrote:
> I bought a computer along with some other items from an individual
> online and I thought it was coming with a copy of WIN 98 SE, but what
> I got was a 'copied' version of WIN 98 SE. How should I resolve this?

Likely not much you can do since you bought the system through an
individual...

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--

jeb2005
07-09-2005, 11:51 PM
"Jack" wrote:

> Microsoft wants you to rat out that person for a free copy of Windows XP.
> Nobody will stop you from using the bootleg (except maybe Microsoft since
> they've got your IP from the post and may take the time and effort to track
> you down), so you might as well keep using it.
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/piracy -- As much as I hate to link people to it

Thanks Jack. However, what would Microsoft do with one person, their piracy
link looks like it is geared for indescriminate company's rather than someone
who probably didn't know any better? Nonetheless, I will report it, and No,
I wouldn't use it. It is for an older computer I am setting up for my Moms
and I went to eBay and bought copy for $40 Thanks for the advice, though.

jeb2005
07-09-2005, 11:51 PM
"Shenan Stanley" wrote:

> jeb2005 wrote:
> > I bought a computer along with some other items from an individual
> > online and I thought it was coming with a copy of WIN 98 SE, but what
> > I got was a 'copied' version of WIN 98 SE. How should I resolve this?
>
> Likely not much you can do since you bought the system through an
> individual...
>
If that's all it was, but there's more to the story...
> --
> Shenan Stanley
> MS-MVP
> --
>
>
>

Shenan Stanley
07-09-2005, 11:51 PM
jeb2005 wrote:
> I bought a computer along with some other items from an individual
> online and I thought it was coming with a copy of WIN 98 SE, but
> what I got was a 'copied' version of WIN 98 SE. How should I
> resolve this?

Shenan Stanley wrote:
> Likely not much you can do since you bought the system through an
> individual...

jeb2005 wrote:
> If that's all it was, but there's more to the story...

.... and that would be?

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--

jeb2005
07-09-2005, 11:51 PM
"Shenan Stanley" wrote:

> jeb2005 wrote:
> > I bought a computer along with some other items from an individual
> > online and I thought it was coming with a copy of WIN 98 SE, but
> > what I got was a 'copied' version of WIN 98 SE. How should I
> > resolve this?
>
> Shenan Stanley wrote:
> > Likely not much you can do since you bought the system through an
> > individual...
>
> jeb2005 wrote:
> > If that's all it was, but there's more to the story...
>
> .... and that would be?
>
> --
> Shenan Stanley
> MS-MVP
> --
>
>
> Not enough time to elaborate. Besides it's not important.

Jupiter Jones [MVP]
07-09-2005, 11:51 PM
Jack;
"rat out that person", that makes it sound like a bad thing.
Many of those affected are taking advantage of buyers who do not know how to
tell.
In this case "rat out that person" is a good thing because it may slow down
the thieves in their efforts of taking advantage of others.
That program is primarily aimed at businesses that sell stolen software
unbeknownst to the buyers and I doubt it applies to Windows 98..

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol
http://www.dts-l.org


"Jack" </dev/null> wrote in message
news:2BC695AF-DC24-4217-A6FF-9A6843C645CD@microsoft.com...
> Microsoft wants you to rat out that person for a free copy of Windows XP.
> Nobody will stop you from using the bootleg (except maybe Microsoft since
> they've got your IP from the post and may take the time and effort to
> track
> you down), so you might as well keep using it.
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/piracy -- As much as I hate to link people to it

jeb2005
07-09-2005, 11:51 PM
"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:

> Jack;
> "rat out that person", that makes it sound like a bad thing.
> Many of those affected are taking advantage of buyers who do not know how to
> tell.
> In this case "rat out that person" is a good thing because it may slow down
> the thieves in their efforts of taking advantage of others.
> That program is primarily aimed at businesses that sell stolen software
> unbeknownst to the buyers and I doubt it applies to Windows 98..
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
> In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol
> http://www.dts-l.org
>
>
> "Jack" </dev> wrote in message
> news:2BC695AF-DC24-4217-A6FF-9A6843C645CD@microsoft.com...
> > Microsoft wants you to rat out that person for a free copy of Windows XP.
> > Nobody will stop you from using the bootleg (except maybe Microsoft since
> > they've got your IP from the post and may take the time and effort to
> > track
> > you down), so you might as well keep using it.
> >
> > http://www.microsoft.com/piracy -- As much as I hate to link people to it
>
>
> So what are you saying? It looks like you were writing to Jack, so how did I get yur post?

Crouchie1998
07-09-2005, 11:51 PM
I am not a grass myself, but being a software developer , I think that
software piracy should be stamped out & you can do your bit.

Crouchie1998
BA (HONS) MCP MCSE

Mark Randall
07-09-2005, 11:51 PM
Windows 98 is damaged goods anyway though :)

Im a software dev and I have this theory:

1. If people thing its too much, they wont buy it
2. If they dont get any paybacks from buying it, they will copy it
3. If they need to have it for business, they will buy it.

--
- Mark Randall
http://zetech.swehli.com

"Crouchie1998" <crouchie1998@spamcop.net> wrote in message
news:OtBRGtEWFHA.4076@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>I am not a grass myself, but being a software developer , I think that
> software piracy should be stamped out & you can do your bit.
>
> Crouchie1998
> BA (HONS) MCP MCSE
>
>

jeb2005
07-09-2005, 11:51 PM
"Crouchie1998" wrote:

> I am not a grass myself, but being a software developer , I think that
> software piracy should be stamped out & you can do your bit.
>
> Crouchie1998
> BA (HONS) MCP MCSE
>
>
> I agree. Something for nothing is not the creed this country was built on, but more and more it seems to be becoming the attitude of the age.

Mark Randall
07-09-2005, 11:51 PM
Does a wooden shack and the occasional beating count as nothing? hmmm....

Ohhh ive just pissed so many Americans off :)

--
- Mark Randall
http://zetech.swehli.com

"jeb2005" <jeb2005@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:545F230D-AD88-4A74-9882-F247BF90AF42@microsoft.com...
>
>
> "Crouchie1998" wrote:
>
>> I am not a grass myself, but being a software developer , I think that
>> software piracy should be stamped out & you can do your bit.
>>
>> Crouchie1998
>> BA (HONS) MCP MCSE
>>
>>
>> I agree. Something for nothing is not the creed this country was built
>> on, but more and more it seems to be becoming the attitude of the age.

jeb2005
07-09-2005, 11:51 PM
"Mark Randall" wrote:

> Does a wooden shack and the occasional beating count as nothing? hmmm....
>
> Ohhh ive just pissed so many Americans off :)
>
> --
> - Mark Randall
> http://zetech.swehli.com
>
> "jeb2005" <jeb2005@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:545F230D-AD88-4A74-9882-F247BF90AF42@microsoft.com...
> >
> >
> > "Crouchie1998" wrote:
> >
> >> I am not a grass myself, but being a software developer , I think that
> >> software piracy should be stamped out & you can do your bit.
> >>
> >> Crouchie1998
> >> BA (HONS) MCP MCSE
> >>
> >>
> >> I agree. Something for nothing is not the creed this country was built
> >> on, but more and more it seems to be becoming the attitude of the age.
>
>
> I think you're just a legend in your own mind. Folks who get mad at the ramblinhgs of other folks are uptight anyway and it wouldn't matter where they were from whether they were Swahili or otherwise. And if that's what you do for a hobby, then you might want to consider getting out more or at least a good book.

N. Miller
07-09-2005, 11:51 PM
On Fri, 13 May 2005 21:40:02 -0700, jeb2005 wrote:

> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:

>> "Jack" </dev> wrote in message
>> news:2BC695AF-DC24-4217-A6FF-9A6843C645CD@microsoft.com...

>>> Microsoft wants you to rat out that person for a free copy of Windows XP.
>>> Nobody will stop you from using the bootleg (except maybe Microsoft since
>>> they've got your IP from the post and may take the time and effort to
>>> track you down), so you might as well keep using it.
>>>
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/piracy -- As much as I hate to link people to it

>> Jack;
>> "rat out that person", that makes it sound like a bad thing.
>> Many of those affected are taking advantage of buyers who do not know how to
>> tell.
>> In this case "rat out that person" is a good thing because it may slow down
>> the thieves in their efforts of taking advantage of others.
>> That program is primarily aimed at businesses that sell stolen software
>> unbeknownst to the buyers and I doubt it applies to Windows 98..

> So what are you saying? It looks like you were writing to Jack, so how did I get yur post?

Jupiter Jones responded to Jacks post. Jack responded to your post. All
responses to particular posts are threaded according to which article is a
followup to which other article. They are posted through an NNTP server,
which then propagates the posts to other NNTP servers across the Internet.
You may Google on "NNTP service", if you wish to learn more. Basically,
once you make a post on these MSFT help groups, they are propagated world
wide; anybody in the whole world can see what you have posts.

Also, the MSFT NNTP servers have a retention of about 60 days. Other NNTP
servers carrying these groups may have longer, or shorter retention
periods. Once the retention period has lapsed, the message is expired from
the server. There are two exceptions. Google Groups archives NNTP posts
forever, for the most part. Local users, who have downloaded messages from
NNTP servers may archive them as well; depends upon how they have
configured their clients for purging older posts. The latter issue can be a
problem if you post a working email address; many modern viruses can
harvest that email address from posts archived on strangers' computers, and
use them as sender, and recipient address when trying to propagate
themselves. They will even harvest the message ID string, because of the
'@' contained in them.

Like many others, I access these news groups using a news reader (aka NNTP
client). I could subscribe from my ISP's news server
(news.sf.sbcglobal.net), but that server is flaky. For the MSFT help groups
it is easier to configure my client to access msnews.microsoft.com
directly. You can't see it in the web browser view of the groups, but news
clients can see the full message headers. From your original post (trimmed
to just the relevant lines):

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Subject: Bootleg SOFTWARE
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 16:41:12 -0700
Message-ID: <C543933A-1C2F-4390-91BA-E2D2ACA7E2AA@microsoft.com>
X-Newsreader: Microsoft CDO for Windows 2000
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Tells me that you used a web browser (but not which one) to access these
groups. From Jack's followup to your post:

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References: <C543933A-1C2F-4390-91BA-E2D2ACA7E2AA@microsoft.com>
Subject: RE: Bootleg SOFTWARE
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 16:49:17 -0700
Message-ID: <2BC695AF-DC24-4217-A6FF-9A6843C645CD@microsoft.com>
X-Newsreader: Microsoft CDO for Windows 2000
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Tells me that Jack also used a web browser to access these groups, read
your post, and post a response. Note the line marked, "References", and
that it has your original message ID in it. My reader also adds a
"Thread-Topic" header. Depending upon the situation, the topic, including
responses, is threaded by Subject, or by the message ID strings in the
References header line. From Jupiter Jones' followup to Jack's post:

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References: <C543933A-1C2F-4390-91BA-E2D2ACA7E2AA@microsoft.com>
<2BC695AF-DC24-4217-A6FF-9A6843C645CD@microsoft.com>
Subject: Re: Bootleg SOFTWARE
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 21:42:50 -0600
X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527
Message-ID: <#GcVUcDWFHA.132@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl>
Path: TK2MSFTNGP08.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl
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Tells me that Jupiter Jones used MS Outlook Express configured to access an
NNTP server. Comparing the Path header line in two test posts that I made,
one to the MSFT NNTP server, and one to the SBC-Y (my ISP) NNTP server, I
am reasonably confident that Jupiter Jones used the MSFT NNTP server. From
your followup to Jupiter Jones' post:

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References: <C543933A-1C2F-4390-91BA-E2D2ACA7E2AA@microsoft.com>
<2BC695AF-DC24-4217-A6FF-9A6843C645CD@microsoft.com>
<#GcVUcDWFHA.132@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl>
Subject: Re: Bootleg SOFTWARE
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 21:40:02 -0700
Message-ID: <4B8D96C5-A4A4-4771-BBB1-3BDFC0E8AB66@microsoft.com>
X-Newsreader: Microsoft CDO for Windows 2000
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Again, you have used the web browser. Especially note the Message-ID header
line in each set of headers, and the References header line as well. You
can see that each post is assigned a unique message ID string, but also
refers back to the earlier message ID stings of the threaded posts.

If you want to see what this group looks like in a news client, use the new
account Wizard in MS Outlook Express to set up a news (not email) account.
Tell it to use "msnews.microsoft.com" (omit the quotes), but do not set up
a login; the server allows free access, no login needed. DO NOT use a
working email address; Remember what I said about virus harvesters above!
You can use the same email address that the web browser has you using,
"jeb2005@discussions.microsoft.com"; but only use that on the MSFT NNTP
servers. If you set up some other server, use something ending either with
"@example.com", or "@*.invalid" (where you can put anything you want in
place of '*'). Make up your own user name. Once MSOE is set up to read
messages, just search through the group list for this group and subscribe.
There is no subscription fee, that is just the archaic term from before
there was an Internet which means to sign up to download the messages.

Oh; if you do set up the MSFT groups in MS Outlook Express, you can use the
Message Properties on downloaded messages to examine the full headers, just
as you can do with email.

--
Norman
~Win dain a lotica, En vai tu ri, Si lo ta
~Fin dein a loluca, En dragu a sei lain
~Vi fa-ru les shutai am, En riga-lint

N. Miller
07-09-2005, 11:51 PM
On Sat, 14 May 2005 19:33:06 +0100, Mark Randall wrote:

> Does a wooden shack and the occasional beating count as nothing? hmmm....

Can't see the relevance.

> Ohhh ive just pissed so many Americans off :)

"Yankee Doodle went to town, riding on a pony. Stuck a feather in his cap
and called it 'Macaroni'".

You tried it in the War for Independance, when you called the traitorous
rebels under the command of Geo. Washington.

http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a2_260.html

Didn't work then; why should it work now?

Oh, my favorite WWII story tells of a U.S. Army captain from Texas being
shown around the Royal Army headquarters, where he had been assigned, by
his host, whose rank I don't recall. When they arrived at the historical
trophy display, the host proudly described the circumstance of the capture
of a Colonial battle flag, telling the Texan, "This is the flag we captured
at the Battle of Breed's Hill, which you Yanks call the Battle of Bunker
Hill." The captain didn't hesitate, but said in response, "You'll sure got
the flag, alright...but we still have the hill."

--
Norman
~Win dain a lotica, En vai tu ri, Si lo ta
~Fin dein a loluca, En dragu a sei lain
~Vi fa-ru les shutai am, En riga-lint

Imhotep
07-09-2005, 11:51 PM
N. Miller wrote:

> On Sat, 14 May 2005 19:33:06 +0100, Mark Randall wrote:
>
>> Does a wooden shack and the occasional beating count as nothing? hmmm....
>
> Can't see the relevance.
>
>> Ohhh ive just pissed so many Americans off :)
>
> "Yankee Doodle went to town, riding on a pony. Stuck a feather in his cap
> and called it 'Macaroni'".
>
> You tried it in the War for Independance, when you called the traitorous
> rebels under the command of Geo. Washington.
>
> http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a2_260.html
>
> Didn't work then; why should it work now?
>
> Oh, my favorite WWII story tells of a U.S. Army captain from Texas being
> shown around the Royal Army headquarters, where he had been assigned, by
> his host, whose rank I don't recall. When they arrived at the historical
> trophy display, the host proudly described the circumstance of the capture
> of a Colonial battle flag, telling the Texan, "This is the flag we
> captured at the Battle of Breed's Hill, which you Yanks call the Battle of
> Bunker Hill." The captain didn't hesitate, but said in response, "You'll
> sure got the flag, alright...but we still have the hill."
>

hahahahaha. Damn that was funny...

-Im

Mark Randall
07-09-2005, 11:51 PM
"N. Miller" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:mee6qfdqxemx.dlg@discussions.microsoft.com...
> On Sat, 14 May 2005 19:33:06 +0100, Mark Randall wrote:
>
>> Does a wooden shack and the occasional beating count as nothing? hmmm....
>
> Can't see the relevance.

This is what America is entirley based on, Slavoury.. granted thats entirley
our (The British) fault.

>> Ohhh ive just pissed so many Americans off :)
>
> "Yankee Doodle went to town, riding on a pony. Stuck a feather in his cap
> and called it 'Macaroni'".
>
> You tried it in the War for Independance, when you called the traitorous
> rebels under the command of Geo. Washington.
>
> http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a2_260.html
>
> Didn't work then; why should it work now?
>
> Oh, my favorite WWII story tells of a U.S. Army captain from Texas being
> shown around the Royal Army headquarters, where he had been assigned, by
> his host, whose rank I don't recall. When they arrived at the historical
> trophy display, the host proudly described the circumstance of the capture
> of a Colonial battle flag, telling the Texan, "This is the flag we
> captured
> at the Battle of Breed's Hill, which you Yanks call the Battle of Bunker
> Hill." The captain didn't hesitate, but said in response, "You'll sure got
> the flag, alright...but we still have the hill."

My favourite one is in WW2 about how US boat captains refused to take their
landing ships closer to the shore for fear of being shot at the normandy
landings, and the American landers rolled off and immediatly sank in the
deeper water, making the biggest infliction of human loss... American by
American! :O

Anyway... no, seriously... my favourite is the conspiracy that if we ever
create a time machine we will send back our entire regement of SAS teams to
the Boston Tea Party, and kick a little ass.


> --
> Norman
> ~Win dain a lotica, En vai tu ri, Si lo ta
> ~Fin dein a loluca, En dragu a sei lain
> ~Vi fa-ru les shutai am, En riga-lint

Mark Randall
07-09-2005, 11:51 PM
"Mark Randall" <markyr@REMOVETHISgoogle.ANDTHIScom> wrote in message
news:ubi1DeUWFHA.2572@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...

> My favourite one is in WW2 about how US boat captains refused to take
> their landing ships closer to the shore for fear of being shot at the
> normandy landings, and the American landers rolled off and immediatly sank
> in the deeper water, making the biggest infliction of human loss...
> American by American! :O

Sorry to everyone who is offended by this but I, like the rest of the world
(ie: that outside the US)... tends to get a little irritated when Americans
talk of American supremacy :(

--
- Mark Randall
http://zetech.swehli.com

jeb2005
07-09-2005, 11:51 PM
"Mark Randall" wrote:

>
> "Mark Randall" <markyr@REMOVETHISgoogle.ANDTHIScom> wrote in message
> news:ubi1DeUWFHA.2572@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>
> > My favourite one is in WW2 about how US boat captains refused to take
> > their landing ships closer to the shore for fear of being shot at the
> > normandy landings, and the American landers rolled off and immediatly sank
> > in the deeper water, making the biggest infliction of human loss...
> > American by American! :O
>
> Sorry to everyone who is offended by this but I, like the rest of the world
> (ie: that outside the US)... tends to get a little irritated when Americans
> talk of American supremacy :(
>
> --
> - Mark Randall
> http://zetech.swehli.com
>
>
> Americans don't believe that they're SO superior, Mr. Randall. It's all of you who think that we do that perpetuates that notion because your country has it so bad. The only reason this country is so great is because those who founded it put God at the center of it when they began it. And when that ceases to be, this country will cease to be great. It's not because their lives exlemplified a Godly life, but rather their belief in God, that He is God, and that all good things come from Him and there is nothing that we have that does not come from Him AND through that unwavering belief, those men were made right in the sight God by the Blood that was shed for everyone to be free and their belief in Jesus that He is the Son of God and is still Alive today. If you're waiting to see Jesus before you believe in Him, then it's going to be too late.

Mark Randall
07-09-2005, 11:51 PM
"jeb2005" <jeb2005@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:430FD146-2E64-46F2-AE25-33B5E74D326D@microsoft.com...
>> Americans don't believe that they're SO superior, Mr. Randall. It's all
>> of you who think that we do that perpetuates that notion because your
>> country has it so bad. The only reason this country is so great is
>> because those who founded it put God at the center of it when they began
>> it. And when that ceases to be, this country will cease to be great.
>> It's not because their lives exlemplified a Godly life, but rather their
>> belief in God, that He is God, and that all good things come from Him and
>> there is nothing that we have that does not come from Him AND through
>> that unwavering belief, those men were made right in the sight God by the
>> Blood that was shed for everyone to be free and their belief in Jesus
>> that He is the Son of God and is still Alive today. If you're waiting
>> to see Jesus before you believe in Him, then it's going to be too late.

Ok, religious mumbo jumbo aside (I almost forgot that almost every speech
etc from say, Bush... says something about God, or doing Gods work, or help
from God.. yarda yarda yarda)

Sorry... I forgot that there are 2 things a person can use to get almost
every American to do anything, the flag and God.

Interesting how you refered to God as He consistantly tho ;) Very
interesting...

--
- Mark Randall
http://zetech.swehli.com
Agnostic, but certain people want to turn me aethiest.


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