Microsoft beta anti-spyware locks up trying to remove a specific i



doctorjony
07-09-2005, 11:50 PM
The beta Microsoft Anti-spyware locks up and cannot remove a virus called
Trojan.BHO.Nameshifter.T, does anyone know how to get rid of this or if the
Anti-spyware has a update on the way to fix this issue.

Galen
07-09-2005, 11:50 PM
In news:0C1B5B55-5E21-4313-9611-F0C27A594016@microsoft.com,
doctorjony <doctorjony@discussions.microsoft.com> had this to say:

My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:

> The beta Microsoft Anti-spyware locks up and cannot remove a virus
> called Trojan.BHO.Nameshifter.T, does anyone know how to get rid of
> this or if the Anti-spyware has a update on the way to fix this issue.

Perhaps that would be because it's not an anti-trojan application but an
anti-spyware application? I really have no idea if it's even able to remove
this trojan but I understand that it does remove some. While a trojan has a
number of things in common with spyware (namely leaking data) and more
threats are "blended threats" than ever before what you're attempting to do
is a lot like getting a tape measure to remove a 16p nail perhaps.

Take a gander here:

Malware Cleaning :
http://www.kgiii.info/windows/all/general/malwarefix.html

Some general malware cleaning tools and processes.

Galen
--

"But there are always some lunatics about. It would be a dull world
without them."

Sherlock Holmes

MAP
07-09-2005, 11:50 PM
Galen wrote:
> In news:0C1B5B55-5E21-4313-9611-F0C27A594016@microsoft.com,
> doctorjony <doctorjony@discussions.microsoft.com> had this to say:
>
> My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:
>
>> The beta Microsoft Anti-spyware locks up and cannot remove a virus
>> called Trojan.BHO.Nameshifter.T, does anyone know how to get rid of
>> this or if the Anti-spyware has a update on the way to fix this
>> issue.
>
> Perhaps that would be because it's not an anti-trojan application but
> an anti-spyware application? I really have no idea if it's even able
> to remove this trojan but I understand that it does remove some.
> While a trojan has a number of things in common with spyware (namely
> leaking data) and more threats are "blended threats" than ever before
> what you're attempting to do is a lot like getting a tape measure to
> remove a 16p nail perhaps.
>
> Take a gander here:
>
> Malware Cleaning :
> http://www.kgiii.info/windows/all/general/malwarefix.html
>
> Some general malware cleaning tools and processes.
>
> Galen


where do you get your info at?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malware#Trojan
--
Mike Pawlak

MAP
07-09-2005, 11:50 PM
doctorjony wrote:
> The beta Microsoft Anti-spyware locks up and cannot remove a virus
> called Trojan.BHO.Nameshifter.T, does anyone know how to get rid of
> this or if the Anti-spyware has a update on the way to fix this issue.

I would no longer trust M/S anti-spyware
http://www.spywareinfo.com/newsletter/archives/2005/june30.php

Use these two instead

Spybot S&D - http://www.safer-networking.org/en/index.html
Ad-Aware SE - http://majorgeeks.com/Ad-Aware_SE_Personal_d506.html
--
Mike Pawlak

Steve Winograd [MVP]
07-09-2005, 11:50 PM
In article <un#3FSkfFHA.3912@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl>, "MAP"
<mikepawlak2REM@OVEhotmail.com> wrote:
>doctorjony wrote:
>> The beta Microsoft Anti-spyware locks up and cannot remove a virus
>> called Trojan.BHO.Nameshifter.T, does anyone know how to get rid of
>> this or if the Anti-spyware has a update on the way to fix this issue.

Microsoft released a new version of its antispyware program in late
June. Download it and install it over the current version.

Start the computer in Safe mode and run Microsoft AntiSpyware again.
That will give it the best chance to remove items without locking up.

MSAS isn't an antivirus program, and it wasn't designed to remove
viruses. For that, I'd use F-Prot for Windows or avast! 4.

>I would no longer trust M/S anti-spyware
>http://www.spywareinfo.com/newsletter/archives/2005/june30.php
>
>Use these two instead
>
>Spybot S&D - http://www.safer-networking.org/en/index.html
>Ad-Aware SE - http://majorgeeks.com/Ad-Aware_SE_Personal_d506.html

I wouldn't decide whether to trust Microsoft AntiSpyware based on the
unsubstantiated rumors and incomplete information that are currently
available.

However, I recommend using other spyware program(s) in conjunction
with MSAS. I recently cleaned up a computer where MSAS removed
thousands of spyware items, and Ad-Aware SE then removed a few hundred
more that MSAS missed. And I'm not referring to tracking cookies,
which MSAS, by design, doesn't find.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com

Galen
07-09-2005, 11:50 PM
In news:O9dw6QkfFHA.3232@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl,
MAP <mikepawlak2REM@OVEhotmail.com> had this to say:

My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:

> Galen wrote:
>> In news:0C1B5B55-5E21-4313-9611-F0C27A594016@microsoft.com,
>> doctorjony <doctorjony@discussions.microsoft.com> had this to say:
>>
>> My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:
>>
>>> The beta Microsoft Anti-spyware locks up and cannot remove a virus
>>> called Trojan.BHO.Nameshifter.T, does anyone know how to get rid of
>>> this or if the Anti-spyware has a update on the way to fix this
>>> issue.
>>
>> Perhaps that would be because it's not an anti-trojan application but
>> an anti-spyware application? I really have no idea if it's even able
>> to remove this trojan but I understand that it does remove some.
>> While a trojan has a number of things in common with spyware (namely
>> leaking data) and more threats are "blended threats" than ever before
>> what you're attempting to do is a lot like getting a tape measure to
>> remove a 16p nail perhaps.
>>
>> Take a gander here:
>>
>> Malware Cleaning :
>> http://www.kgiii.info/windows/all/general/malwarefix.html
>>
>> Some general malware cleaning tools and processes.
>>
>> Galen
>
>
> where do you get your info at?
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malware#Trojan

I get my information from the general consensus of the IT industry. I stand
by my statements in that Microsoft AntiSpyware is not a trojan removal tool.
Note that it doesn't say that it is either, in fact it's got exactly what
it's meant to do right there in the title. It is a SPYWARE removal tool.
Spyware, trojans, viruses, keyloggers, and the like are MALWARE. Malware
being the general term for "malicious software." AntiSpyware is not an AT
application. Some threats contain elements of both, they behave like more
than one or have categoristics of more than one of these threats and they
are known as "blended threats." A commonly accepted and widely used term.
Attempting to use an AS application in an effort to clean a trojan (one even
specifically classified a trojan from the looks of the name) is akin to
trying to get chkdsk to defrag. The broad assumption that the tool is
capable of removing more than it's designed to is a harmful perspective from
a security viewpoint. The area's that are gray really are the more difficult
ones, as more and more become combinations (again blended threats) the more
the applications overlap and so while MSAS may in fact remove some trojans
that's not it's intention, for the removal of trojans one would be better
served with a specific product that's designed to do so. Malware is a
classification, trojan or spyware is a subcategory of that classification.
Disk tools is a classification, chkdsk and defrag are subcategories of that
classification.

Galen
--

"But there are always some lunatics about. It would be a dull world
without them."

Sherlock Holmes

LCV
07-09-2005, 11:50 PM
Microsoft Anti-Spyware says my hp print driver is spyware....reason number
2,000 not to trust a bunk product like that. They are in beta mind you, why
reccomend it to people who obviously have serious infestation?
"Steve Winograd [MVP]" <winograd@pobox.com> wrote in message
news:6eqac1tnvq7r4d3mesqre4tg6m073ikg4h@4ax.com...
> In article <un#3FSkfFHA.3912@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl>, "MAP"
> <mikepawlak2REM@OVEhotmail.com> wrote:
>>doctorjony wrote:
>>> The beta Microsoft Anti-spyware locks up and cannot remove a virus
>>> called Trojan.BHO.Nameshifter.T, does anyone know how to get rid of
>>> this or if the Anti-spyware has a update on the way to fix this issue.
>
> Microsoft released a new version of its antispyware program in late
> June. Download it and install it over the current version.
>
> Start the computer in Safe mode and run Microsoft AntiSpyware again.
> That will give it the best chance to remove items without locking up.
>
> MSAS isn't an antivirus program, and it wasn't designed to remove
> viruses. For that, I'd use F-Prot for Windows or avast! 4.
>
>>I would no longer trust M/S anti-spyware
>>http://www.spywareinfo.com/newsletter/archives/2005/june30.php
>>
>>Use these two instead
>>
>>Spybot S&D - http://www.safer-networking.org/en/index.html
>>Ad-Aware SE - http://majorgeeks.com/Ad-Aware_SE_Personal_d506.html
>
> I wouldn't decide whether to trust Microsoft AntiSpyware based on the
> unsubstantiated rumors and incomplete information that are currently
> available.
>
> However, I recommend using other spyware program(s) in conjunction
> with MSAS. I recently cleaned up a computer where MSAS removed
> thousands of spyware items, and Ad-Aware SE then removed a few hundred
> more that MSAS missed. And I'm not referring to tracking cookies,
> which MSAS, by design, doesn't find.
> --
> Best Wishes,
> Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)
>
> Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
> for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
> addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.
>
> Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com

Eugene Taylor
07-09-2005, 11:50 PM
"LCV" <urbt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e706ukmgFHA.3936@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Microsoft Anti-Spyware says my hp print driver is spyware....reason number
> 2,000 not to trust a bunk product like that. They are in beta mind you,
why
> reccomend it to people who obviously have serious infestation?

Well considering hp and the practices they use I would not doubt at all if
it is spyware... they have tried just about everything else try googling hp
printers class action


Microsoft beta anti-spyware locks up trying to remove a specific i