TrojanDownloader.ImLoad.100



Joseph
07-09-2005, 10:49 PM
please see my comments to symantec at bottom:
ISSUE

Applications do not respond to user's input
Excel attempting to copy cells while user is only trying to scroll trhu the
document
PC also not responding as it should, long delays between clicks and effects
requested by user
STEP TAKEN
running a virus scan
also running symantec W32.Novar@mm removal tool
Installed and run spybot, spyware found.

deleted c:\progra~1\webfun folder - browser MUST be closed or else a dll
remains in memeory

remove smileys, MyWebSearch toolsbar, and webshots screen saver (after
ending the process in taskmgr)

removed HKLM\Software\Funwebproducts registry key
removed HKLM\Software\MyWebSearch registry key
removed HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\App Paths\Dialer.exe
registry key
Reopening TT

Unfortunately problem has reoccurred:

Problems:

When working on a shared excel worksheet, (she is the only user seemingly
affected by these problems)
user looses control over the application, the excel window flashes,
Outlook is closed without user intervention, happened right now as I speak
with her, whether other apps are opened or not.
the Start folder opens in a windows explorer window all by itself

Yesterday we did all we could regarding spyware, please see above log.
Could not connect to her PC this morning, after many attempts, her
PCAnywhere
cannot start: 'unable to start the pcanywhere host service', was fine
yesterday though.
Please note that there are no problems in Device Manager
Yesterday as the problems happened, I ran taskmanager and saw that
cscript.exe is running for no apparent reason.
Terminated the cscript process: note I could not - while it was running -
copy a file from my PC to user's PC.

Running SAP & Outlook while watching Task Manager for reappearance of
cscript.exe.
No problems for the moment.
installed and ran Microsoft antispyware which found:
SearchSquire (High risk)
MyWebSearch (Mild) Still there!

Installed TrojanHunter which found TrojanDownloader.ImLoad.100
"Renamed file C:\WINNT\Downloaded Program Files\imloader.exe to
C:\WINNT\Downloaded Program Files\imloader.exe.tcf
Trojan cleaning finished."
To Symantec
I don't know how much money you make from my employers, but I solved what
was a major problem, which was componded by the fact that there was no one
onsite. All done remote and solved with a free software. well done symantec!

Joseph
Helpdesk analyst

http://www.misec.net/trojanhunter/

Galen
07-09-2005, 10:50 PM
In news:Ojol95KeFHA.3808@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl,
Joseph <philippeoget@hotmail.com> had this to say:

My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:

> http://www.misec.net/trojanhunter/

Perhaps one of the greatest AT applications on the market today - definately
at the price. I've been using it since he and another vendor went at it in
another newsgroup and he set out to prove his point. Mischel has done a
great job at remaining current with new definitions since day one. My ONLY
problem is the requirement that updates be done in full and not via DIF
files. As a narrowband user still, broadband is not available except for
satellite here and I'm unwilling to agree to the FUP of the vendors, it's
problematic to download even the 2 MB each day but I do it anyhow.
Compounded with numerous systems in the house it really does become an issue
though it's certainly worth it. Prior to this I used the TDS application
which was very effective. Some of the more impressive benefits from TH are
not just the ability to protect and clean trojans but inside it's GUI where
you will find tools to show even hidden processes and hidden windows which
has been essential in cleaning some of the more complex cases in the past.
TrojanHunter is not really free software as you had said though it's trial
is free. The price, a mere 50 USD, is for a lifetime's worth of both
application and ruleset updates. While he doesn't make my list of free tools
he does make my list of must-have payware. Given that the trial version is
30 days and fully functional I've often thought about recommending it, as a
product for cleaning, when there's people who are having malware problems
but I strive to avoid recommending anything but free products in those
instances. Your recommendation and positive results have given me cause to
rethink that idea and the application may very well show up on the site's
malware fix page after we've finished hashing out the design and layout.

Galen
--

"And that recommendation, with the exaggerated estimate of my ability
with which he prefaced it, was, if you will believe me, Watson, the
very first thing which ever made me feel that a profession might be
made out of what had up to that time been the merest hobby."

Sherlock Holmes

David H. Lipman
07-09-2005, 10:50 PM
From: "Joseph" <philippeoget@hotmail.com>

| please see my comments to symantec at bottom:
| ISSUE
|
| Applications do not respond to user's input
| Excel attempting to copy cells while user is only trying to scroll trhu the
| document
| PC also not responding as it should, long delays between clicks and effects
| requested by user
| STEP TAKEN
| running a virus scan
| also running symantec W32.Novar@mm removal tool
| Installed and run spybot, spyware found.
|
| deleted c:\progra~1\webfun folder - browser MUST be closed or else a dll
| remains in memeory
|
| remove smileys, MyWebSearch toolsbar, and webshots screen saver (after
| ending the process in taskmgr)
|
| removed HKLM\Software\Funwebproducts registry key
| removed HKLM\Software\MyWebSearch registry key
| removed HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\App Paths\Dialer.exe
| registry key
| Reopening TT
|
| Unfortunately problem has reoccurred:
|
| Problems:
|
| When working on a shared excel worksheet, (she is the only user seemingly
| affected by these problems)
| user looses control over the application, the excel window flashes,
| Outlook is closed without user intervention, happened right now as I speak
| with her, whether other apps are opened or not.
| the Start folder opens in a windows explorer window all by itself
|
| Yesterday we did all we could regarding spyware, please see above log.
| Could not connect to her PC this morning, after many attempts, her
| PCAnywhere
| cannot start: 'unable to start the pcanywhere host service', was fine
| yesterday though.
| Please note that there are no problems in Device Manager
| Yesterday as the problems happened, I ran taskmanager and saw that
| cscript.exe is running for no apparent reason.
| Terminated the cscript process: note I could not - while it was running -
| copy a file from my PC to user's PC.
|
| Running SAP & Outlook while watching Task Manager for reappearance of
| cscript.exe.
| No problems for the moment.
| installed and ran Microsoft antispyware which found:
| SearchSquire (High risk)
| MyWebSearch (Mild) Still there!
|
| Installed TrojanHunter which found TrojanDownloader.ImLoad.100
| "Renamed file C:\WINNT\Downloaded Program Files\imloader.exe to
| C:\WINNT\Downloaded Program Files\imloader.exe.tcf
| Trojan cleaning finished."
| To Symantec
| I don't know how much money you make from my employers, but I solved what
| was a major problem, which was componded by the fact that there was no one
| onsite. All done remote and solved with a free software. well done symantec!
|
| Joseph
| Helpdesk analyst
|
| http://www.misec.net/trojanhunter/
|

Besides galens advice, you may want to try my Multi AV Command Line Scanner front end
utility. It will automate and simplify the execution of the Sophos and McAfee Command Line
Scanners and Trend Micro's Sysclean utility.

Dump the contents of the IE Temporary Internet Folder cache (TIF)
Start --> Settings --> Control Panel --> Internet Options --> Delete Files

Dump the contents of the Mozilla FireFox Cache { if you use FireFox }
Tools --> Options --> Privacy --> Cache --> Clear

Download MULTI_AV.EXE from the URL --
http://www.ik-cs.com/programs/virtools/Multi_AV.exe

It is a self-extracting ZIP file that contains the Kixtart Script Interpreter {
http://kixtart.org Kixtart is CareWare } two batch files, four Kixtart scripts, one Link
(.LNK) file, this PDF instruction file and two utilities; UNZIP.EXE and WGET.EXE. It will
simplify the process of using up to 3 different Anti Virus Command Line Scanners to remove
viruses and various other malware.

C:\AV-CLS\StartMenu.BAT -- { or Double-click on 'Start Menu' in C:\AV-CLS}
This will bring up the initial menu of choices and should be executed in Normal Mode. This
way all the components can be downloaded from each AV vendorís web site.
On Win9x/ME the choices are; Trend, McAfee, Exit the menu and Reboot the PC
On NT4, Win2k, WinXP and Win2003 Server the choices are; Sophos, Trend, McAfee, Exit the
menu and Reboot the PC.

You can choose to go to each menu item and just download the needed files or you can
download the files and perform a scan in Normal Mode. Once you have downloaded the files
needed for each scanner you want to use, you should reboot the PC into Safe Mode [F8 key
during boot] and re-run the menu again and choose which scanner you want to run in Safe
Mode. It is suggested to run the scanners in both Safe Mode and Normal Mode.

When the menu is displayed hitting 'H' or 'h' will bring up a more comprehensive PDF help
file.

To use this utility, perform the following...
Execute; Multi_AV.exe { Note: You must use the default folder C:\AV-CLS }
Choose; Unzip
Choose; Close

Execute; C:\AV-CLS\StartMenu.BAT
{ or Double-click on 'Start Menu' in C:\AV-CLS }

NOTE: You may have to disable your software FireWall or allow WGET.EXE and/or FTP.EXE to go
through your FireWall to allow them to download the needed AV vendor related files.

* * * Please report back your results * * *


--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm

Lou
07-09-2005, 10:50 PM
On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 09:07:28 -0400, "Galen" <galennews@gmail.com> wrote:

>In news:Ojol95KeFHA.3808@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl,
>Joseph <philippeoget@hotmail.com> had this to say:
>
> My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:
>
>> http://www.misec.net/trojanhunter/
>
>Perhaps one of the greatest AT applications on the market today - definately
>at the price. I've been using it since he and another vendor went at it in
>another newsgroup and he set out to prove his point. Mischel has done a
>great job at remaining current with new definitions since day one. My ONLY
>problem is the requirement that updates be done in full and not via DIF
>files. As a narrowband user still, broadband is not available except for
>satellite here and I'm unwilling to agree to the FUP of the vendors, it's
>problematic to download even the 2 MB each day but I do it anyhow.
>Compounded with numerous systems in the house it really does become an issue
>though it's certainly worth it. Prior to this I used the TDS application
>which was very effective. Some of the more impressive benefits from TH are
>not just the ability to protect and clean trojans but inside it's GUI where
>you will find tools to show even hidden processes and hidden windows which
>has been essential in cleaning some of the more complex cases in the past.
>TrojanHunter is not really free software as you had said though it's trial
>is free. The price, a mere 50 USD, is for a lifetime's worth of both
>application and ruleset updates. While he doesn't make my list of free tools
>he does make my list of must-have payware. Given that the trial version is
>30 days and fully functional I've often thought about recommending it, as a
>product for cleaning, when there's people who are having malware problems
>but I strive to avoid recommending anything but free products in those
>instances. Your recommendation and positive results have given me cause to
>rethink that idea and the application may very well show up on the site's
>malware fix page after we've finished hashing out the design and layout.
>
>Galen

Galen,

What's with the Top AND Bottom posting? IMHO, that's even more annoying than
the idiots who Top Post.

Phil Weldon
07-09-2005, 10:50 PM
'Lou' wrote:
| What's with the Top AND Bottom posting? IMHO, that's even more annoying
than
| the idiots who Top Post.

Have you so little to contribute that you feel compelled to
misunderstand posting
quote without editing
post as if responding via email
insult
post off topic?

Phil Weldon

"Lou" <none@example.org> wrote in message
news:heuob196f5uv11jfp5pobb7majtsicrke5@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 09:07:28 -0400, "Galen" <galennews@gmail.com> wrote:
..
..
> Galen,
>
> What's with the Top AND Bottom posting? IMHO, that's even more annoying
> than
> the idiots who Top Post.

David H. Lipman
07-09-2005, 10:50 PM
From: "Lou" <none@example.org>


|
| Galen,
|
| What's with the Top AND Bottom posting? IMHO, that's even more annoying than
| the idiots who Top Post.

It's called inline posting !

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm

Galen
07-09-2005, 10:50 PM
In news:heuob196f5uv11jfp5pobb7majtsicrke5@4ax.com,
Lou <none@example.org> had this to say:

My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:

> Galen,
>
> What's with the Top AND Bottom posting? IMHO, that's even more
> annoying than the idiots who Top Post.

It's because I snip out the un-needed parts and want people to know where
they'll find the response. Thus the top line, mentioning where I post, is
automatically included. Why? Because there's no determination over which is
and which isn't correct and I'd hate to cause confusion. I'm trully sorry if
you do not like the format in which I've chosen to post though I'm still
inclined to continue in this manner. You will have to learn to adjust I
suppose or, alternatively, you will need to simply set your email client to
ignore any of my responses.

Galen
--

"And that recommendation, with the exaggerated estimate of my ability
with which he prefaced it, was, if you will believe me, Watson, the
very first thing which ever made me feel that a profession might be
made out of what had up to that time been the merest hobby."

Sherlock Holmes

What's in a Name?
07-09-2005, 10:50 PM
Galen wrote:
> In news:heuob196f5uv11jfp5pobb7majtsicrke5@4ax.com,
> Lou <none@example.org> had this to say:
>
> My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:
>
>
>>Galen,
>>
>>What's with the Top AND Bottom posting? IMHO, that's even more
>>annoying than the idiots who Top Post.
>
*********Middle Posting for Maximum Annoyance**************

Galen-
Just put it in the middle!
(singing) a little mystery to figure out......

>
> It's because I snip out the un-needed parts and want people to know where
> they'll find the response. Thus the top line, mentioning where I post, is
> automatically included. Why? Because there's no determination over which is
> and which isn't correct and I'd hate to cause confusion. I'm trully sorry if
> you do not like the format in which I've chosen to post though I'm still
> inclined to continue in this manner. You will have to learn to adjust I
> suppose or, alternatively, you will need to simply set your email client to
> ignore any of my responses.
>
> Galen


--
Virus Removal Instructions: http://home.neo.rr.com/manna4u/
You can find my e-mail address on my pages.

Galen
07-09-2005, 10:50 PM
In news:42bdf6a5$0$62510$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net,
What's in a Name? <spamthis@nomail.afraid.org> had this to say:

My reply is somewhere close to your sent message:

> *********Middle Posting for Maximum Annoyance**************
>
> Galen-
> Just put it in the middle!
> (singing) a little mystery to figure out......

LOL I like that... I put it there so no one has a reason to complain... Odd,
they still find a reason to complain! Give them the world and they want it
with sauce??? Go figure...

Galen
--

"And that recommendation, with the exaggerated estimate of my ability
with which he prefaced it, was, if you will believe me, Watson, the
very first thing which ever made me feel that a profession might be
made out of what had up to that time been the merest hobby."

Sherlock Holmes

David H. Lipman
07-09-2005, 10:50 PM
From: "Galen" <galennews@gmail.com>


|
| LOL I like that... I put it there so no one has a reason to complain... Odd,
| they still find a reason to complain! Give them the world and they want it
| with sauce??? Go figure...
|
| Galen
| --
|
| "And that recommendation, with the exaggerated estimate of my ability
| with which he prefaced it, was, if you will believe me, Watson, the
| very first thing which ever made me feel that a profession might be
| made out of what had up to that time been the merest hobby."
|
| Sherlock Holmes
|

You know what they say....
"You can't please everyone so you've got to please yourself"

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm

Galen
07-09-2005, 10:50 PM
In news:e0lNaEleFHA.1328@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl,
David H. Lipman <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> had this to say:

My reply is somewhere inside this message, or maybe not, either way you'll
have to root around endlessly until you either find it or don't... If you
don't find it, don't blame me, giving directions to my response's location
only causes problems with people who are likely to be the same people who
become irate when they find out that a PC only does what it's told to do and
not even what it's told to do all the time - less often, really, when you
tell it to do something that it does not know how to do nor was designed to
do:

> From: "Galen" <galennews@gmail.com>
>
>
>>
>> LOL I like that... I put it there so no one has a reason to
>> complain... Odd, they still find a reason to complain! Give them the
>> world and they want it with sauce??? Go figure...
>>
>> Galen
>> --
>>
>> "And that recommendation, with the exaggerated estimate of my ability
>> with which he prefaced it, was, if you will believe me, Watson, the
>> very first thing which ever made me feel that a profession might be
>> made out of what had up to that time been the merest hobby."
>>
>> Sherlock Holmes
>>
>
> You know what they say....
> "You can't please everyone so you've got to please yourself"

Pleasuring myself? Don't you go blind for that? <g> Actually I kind of like
being told where the response is. It took me a while to think to add that to
the system automatically. It was too much of a pain having someone try to
convince me one way or the other as to where I was supposed to post and
everyone having different views. So, I have been a bottom poster for ages
and just can't see me changing it. Nope, can't even please some of them some
of the time.

Galen
--

"And that recommendation, with the exaggerated estimate of my ability
with which he prefaced it, was, if you will believe me, Watson, the
very first thing which ever made me feel that a profession might be
made out of what had up to that time been the merest hobby."

Sherlock Holmes

Joseph
07-09-2005, 10:50 PM
Personnally,

I just can't stand...

Rest of MSG at bottom...
"Galen" <galennews@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:etOGKDpeFHA.3048@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> In news:e0lNaEleFHA.1328@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl,
> David H. Lipman <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> had this to say:
>
> My reply is somewhere inside this message, or maybe not, either way you'll
> have to root around endlessly until you either find it or don't... If you
> don't find it, don't blame me, giving directions to my response's location
> only causes problems with people who are likely to be the same people who
> become irate when they find out that a PC only does what it's told to do
> and not even what it's told to do all the time - less often, really, when
> you tell it to do something that it does not know how to do nor was
> designed to do:
>
>> From: "Galen" <galennews@gmail.com>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> LOL I like that... I put it there so no one has a reason to
>>> complain... Odd, they still find a reason to complain! Give them the
>>> world and they want it with sauce??? Go figure...
>>>
>>> Galen
>>> --
>>>
>>> "And that recommendation, with the exaggerated estimate of my ability
>>> with which he prefaced it, was, if you will believe me, Watson, the
>>> very first thing which ever made me feel that a profession might be
>>> made out of what had up to that time been the merest hobby."
>>>
>>> Sherlock Holmes
>>>
>>
>> You know what they say....
>> "You can't please everyone so you've got to please yourself"
>
> Pleasuring myself? Don't you go blind for that? <g> Actually I kind of
> like being told where the response is. It took me a while to think to add
> that to the system automatically. It was too much of a pain having someone
> try to convince me one way or the other as to where I was supposed to post
> and everyone having different views. So, I have been a bottom poster for
> ages and just can't see me changing it. Nope, can't even please some of
> them some of the time.
>
> Galen
> --
>
> "And that recommendation, with the exaggerated estimate of my ability
> with which he prefaced it, was, if you will believe me, Watson, the
> very first thing which ever made me feel that a profession might be
> made out of what had up to that time been the merest hobby."
>
> Sherlock Holmes
>
Idiots who call the real idiots as if those idiots were as idiotics than the
idiots that we are, at least, THAT sort of idiots who at least have the
honesty to acknowledge that they are idiots, which unless I am mistaken,
will put idiots who comments about iodiots well below and under the idiots
they cannot but despise.
>Top Post/Bottom Post? Get the snot out of your brain

Anyway, Galen

Sorry for the delay in replying to your original reply.

You are right I made an erro, TH is not free but let's face it, 30day-trial
make it seem free...Compared to Symantec...And at least TH finds what it
purpots to find.
I do not usually suggest anything unless it is free and proven to work, or
cheap enough that the cost of not having it proves to be higher than bying
it. Again HT = *****(that 3 starts BTW).

Interseting what reaction this mail has caused, I told in the original that
I copy/pasted from a comment to Symantec from their weebsite, and if nothing
else, what they do is to make it as hard as possible to contact them.
Now, here is a software that I recommand people do NOT buy, as it cannot
possibly but any better than the lack of service that seem to charactersise
their website.

Although rarely, I do after a few pages of some book, would then jduge by
the cover and waste no more off my time.
Waste your money not, spybot, trojan hunter, lavasoft are people who have
shown that free or not, their software DO the job that a company like
Symantec must choose NOT to do - you, the glazier and the bricks flying thru
your window...- and that's their job, done well that is.

J O

Galen
07-09-2005, 10:50 PM
In news:%23kobaMweFHA.3280@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl,
Joseph <philippeoget@hotmail.com> had this to say:

My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:

<snip>
> Interseting what reaction this mail has caused, I told in the
> original that I copy/pasted from a comment to Symantec from their
> weebsite, and if nothing else, what they do is to make it as hard as
> possible to contact them. Now, here is a software that I recommand people
> do NOT buy, as it
> cannot possibly but any better than the lack of service that seem to
> charactersise their website.
>
> Although rarely, I do after a few pages of some book, would then
> jduge by the cover and waste no more off my time.
> Waste your money not, spybot, trojan hunter, lavasoft are people who
> have shown that free or not, their software DO the job that a company
> like Symantec must choose NOT to do - you, the glazier and the bricks
> flying thru your window...- and that's their job, done well that is.
>
> J O

Usenet is full of people who will try to force their will on other people
and people who will never do anything but look to cause hate and discontent.
You learn to ignore them after a while but once in a while I like to post
back and point out the irony in their posts. It's actually pretty effective
at getting people to stop trolling me specifically and hopefully it impacts
their future behavior. Me? I'm the type of person who admits that they know
nothing or at least enough to know that I know nothing of what I should
know.

TrojanHunter is worth paying for in my opinion. One of the reasons I find it
to be so is, at least when I decided to pay for my copy, the licensing
agreement is for a single personal license which covers all the PCs that you
own. I can honestly say I've never been infected with a trojan
unintentionally with it running. As for Symantec they're - in my opinion -
bloated, difficult to work with, hard to contact, difficult to uninstall,
and cause far more problems than they're worth. The sad part is that people
swear by them, pay them, and continue to do so even after encountering
problems. If you can't depend on (and trust) your security software what can
you trust? The products I keep are the ones that have proven themselves over
time and in some rather difficult situations. It's good to see I'm not the
only one.

Galen
--

"And that recommendation, with the exaggerated estimate of my ability
with which he prefaced it, was, if you will believe me, Watson, the
very first thing which ever made me feel that a profession might be
made out of what had up to that time been the merest hobby."

Sherlock Holmes

Joseph
07-09-2005, 10:50 PM
>I'm the type of person who admits that they know
nothing or at least enough to know that I know nothing of what I should
know.
The sure sign of manhood and wisdom (took me a while to uunderstand that)

>As for Symantec they're - in my opinion -
Is this irony? I can't tell, :-)

> bloated, difficult to work with, hard to contact
Now that is an understatement.

>It's good to see I'm not the only one.
No you/we are not, its just that we usually are too busy getting somwhere,
learning something while other busy themselves keeping everyone down so that
they seem to be bigger than they are.

There may be more of them that there is if us, but then again, they will
always be less leaders than troups.

'nough said. Hope to 'meet' you on another thread.

Have a nice day.

Joseph
"Galen" <galennews@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:OMMSH70eFHA.2556@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> In news:%23kobaMweFHA.3280@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl,
> Joseph <philippeoget@hotmail.com> had this to say:
>
> My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:
>
> <snip>
>> Interseting what reaction this mail has caused, I told in the
>> original that I copy/pasted from a comment to Symantec from their
>> weebsite, and if nothing else, what they do is to make it as hard as
>> possible to contact them. Now, here is a software that I recommand people
>> do NOT buy, as it
>> cannot possibly but any better than the lack of service that seem to
>> charactersise their website.
>>
>> Although rarely, I do after a few pages of some book, would then
>> jduge by the cover and waste no more off my time.
>> Waste your money not, spybot, trojan hunter, lavasoft are people who
>> have shown that free or not, their software DO the job that a company
>> like Symantec must choose NOT to do - you, the glazier and the bricks
>> flying thru your window...- and that's their job, done well that is.
>>
>> J O
>
> Usenet is full of people who will try to force their will on other people
> and people who will never do anything but look to cause hate and
> discontent. You learn to ignore them after a while but once in a while I
> like to post back and point out the irony in their posts. It's actually
> pretty effective at getting people to stop trolling me specifically and
> hopefully it impacts their future behavior. Me? I'm the type of person who
> admits that they know nothing or at least enough to know that I know
> nothing of what I should know.
>
> TrojanHunter is worth paying for in my opinion. One of the reasons I find
> it to be so is, at least when I decided to pay for my copy, the licensing
> agreement is for a single personal license which covers all the PCs that
> you own. I can honestly say I've never been infected with a trojan
> unintentionally with it running. As for Symantec they're - in my opinion -
> bloated, difficult to work with, hard to contact, difficult to uninstall,
> and cause far more problems than they're worth. The sad part is that
> people swear by them, pay them, and continue to do so even after
> encountering problems. If you can't depend on (and trust) your security
> software what can you trust? The products I keep are the ones that have
> proven themselves over time and in some rather difficult situations. It's
> good to see I'm not the only one.
>
> Galen
> --
>
> "And that recommendation, with the exaggerated estimate of my ability
> with which he prefaced it, was, if you will believe me, Watson, the
> very first thing which ever made me feel that a profession might be
> made out of what had up to that time been the merest hobby."
>
> Sherlock Holmes
>


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