Compacting folders



paladin.rithe@gmail.com
07-09-2005, 11:25 PM
I have an issue with OE6 at work. Our computers are set up with
roaming profiles, including email. The OE6 store directory is the
profile OEStore directory on the server (ie:
//192.168.0.1/profile$/george/OEStore)
Now, I have 2 people with this problem currently, when they close OE6,
it asks if they want to compact the folders. I found that OE6 has a
counter in the registry, and when it gets to 100, it asks this. This
isn't a problem, but it can't compact the folders. It says: "The
folder is currently in use by Outlook Express or by another program."
It says this on every folder, no matter what. Is this because the
store directory is over a network? I should also mention that the
computers are running XP Pro SP2, and the server is 2000 Server. Any
ideas? Thanks.

Brian

Kath Adams
07-09-2005, 11:25 PM
paladin.rithe@gmail.com wrote:
> I have an issue with OE6 at work. Our computers are set up with
> roaming profiles, including email. The OE6 store directory is the
> profile OEStore directory on the server (ie:
> //192.168.0.1/profile$/george/OEStore)
> Now, I have 2 people with this problem currently, when they close OE6,
> it asks if they want to compact the folders. I found that OE6 has a
> counter in the registry, and when it gets to 100, it asks this. This
> isn't a problem, but it can't compact the folders. It says: "The
> folder is currently in use by Outlook Express or by another program."
> It says this on every folder, no matter what. Is this because the
> store directory is over a network? I should also mention that the
> computers are running XP Pro SP2, and the server is 2000 Server. Any
> ideas? Thanks.
>
> Brian

The compacting message is by default in Win XP SP2.
But...OE is not designed to be used over a network. You would be better
off using Outlook.
http://www.insideoe.com/faqs/why.htm#network

--
Kath Adams
MS MVP - Windows (IE/OE)

mrd
07-09-2005, 11:25 PM
Can SOMEONE actually answer this question without blaming the problem on the
user? I have EXACTLY the same problem - NOT on a network computer, it is on
my home computer. I need some emails I saved in a "kept" folder, but OE6
won't let me do anything with them after it "helped me" by compacting and
saving a couple of MB on my 80 GB hard drive.

I want to know how to restore my emails. Using the message import doesn't
work.

Mark

"Kath Adams" wrote:

> paladin.rithe@gmail.com wrote:
> > I have an issue with OE6 at work. Our computers are set up with
> > roaming profiles, including email. The OE6 store directory is the
> > profile OEStore directory on the server (ie:
> > //192.168.0.1/profile$/george/OEStore)
> > Now, I have 2 people with this problem currently, when they close OE6,
> > it asks if they want to compact the folders. I found that OE6 has a
> > counter in the registry, and when it gets to 100, it asks this. This
> > isn't a problem, but it can't compact the folders. It says: "The
> > folder is currently in use by Outlook Express or by another program."
> > It says this on every folder, no matter what. Is this because the
> > store directory is over a network? I should also mention that the
> > computers are running XP Pro SP2, and the server is 2000 Server. Any
> > ideas? Thanks.
> >
> > Brian
>
> The compacting message is by default in Win XP SP2.
> But...OE is not designed to be used over a network. You would be better
> off using Outlook.
> http://www.insideoe.com/faqs/why.htm#network
>
> --
> Kath Adams
> MS MVP - Windows (IE/OE)
>
>
>

Jim Pickering
07-09-2005, 11:26 PM
First determine the location of your message store folder. Open Outlook
Express, click Tools/Options/Maintenance and Store Folder button to
determine the file path to the folder. Write down the location. Close
Outlook Express and open Windows Explorer (WinKey+E) and navigate to the
message store folder and look for files ending with a number such as
Inbox(1).dbx, etc. If you find such, post back since your missing messages
are most likely in one of the numbered files. See also the information at
this link: http://www.insideoe.com/problems/bugs.htm#mailgone
--
Jim Pickering, MVP, Outlook Express
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile=F9F51EF1-4AE3-4D23-B2D8-1171988A62D6
Please deliver feedback to the newsgroup, so that others can be helped.
Thanks.


"mrd" <mrd@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:94E99A0C-5CFD-41E6-B13E-7BBAE1653CBB@microsoft.com...
> Can SOMEONE actually answer this question without blaming the problem on
> the
> user? I have EXACTLY the same problem - NOT on a network computer, it is
> on
> my home computer. I need some emails I saved in a "kept" folder, but OE6
> won't let me do anything with them after it "helped me" by compacting and
> saving a couple of MB on my 80 GB hard drive.
>
> I want to know how to restore my emails. Using the message import doesn't
> work.
>
> Mark
>
> "Kath Adams" wrote:
>
>> paladin.rithe@gmail.com wrote:
>> > I have an issue with OE6 at work. Our computers are set up with
>> > roaming profiles, including email. The OE6 store directory is the
>> > profile OEStore directory on the server (ie:
>> > //192.168.0.1/profile$/george/OEStore)
>> > Now, I have 2 people with this problem currently, when they close OE6,
>> > it asks if they want to compact the folders. I found that OE6 has a
>> > counter in the registry, and when it gets to 100, it asks this. This
>> > isn't a problem, but it can't compact the folders. It says: "The
>> > folder is currently in use by Outlook Express or by another program."
>> > It says this on every folder, no matter what. Is this because the
>> > store directory is over a network? I should also mention that the
>> > computers are running XP Pro SP2, and the server is 2000 Server. Any
>> > ideas? Thanks.
>> >
>> > Brian
>>
>> The compacting message is by default in Win XP SP2.
>> But...OE is not designed to be used over a network. You would be better
>> off using Outlook.
>> http://www.insideoe.com/faqs/why.htm#network
>>
>> --
>> Kath Adams
>> MS MVP - Windows (IE/OE)
>>
>>
>>

PA Bear
07-09-2005, 11:26 PM
What was the name of this "kept" folder?

Why it happens:

http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/problems/bugs.htm#mailgone
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/community/columns/filecorruption.mspx

Recovering data: http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#4
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
DBXtract
http://www.oehelp.com/DBXtract/Default.aspx

DBXtend (additional functionality)
http://www.oehelp.com/DBXtend/Default.aspx

DBXpress (faster, more powerful, with even greater functionality)
http://www.oehelp.com/DBXpress/Default.aspx

OEX (OE Enhancement Program)
http://www.oehelp.com/OEX/Default.aspx
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Avoid Such Corruption in Future:

- Don't use Inbox or Sent Items to archive messages. Move them to local
folders created for this purpose.

- Empty Deleted Items folder daily.

- Disable Background Compacting [N/A in SP2] and frequently perform a manual
compact of all OE folders while "working offline". More at
http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/files/maintain.htm.

- Your anti-virus application's email scanning feature can also cause such
corruption. Disable it. It provides no additional protection.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE) & Security

mrd wrote:
> Can SOMEONE actually answer this question without blaming the problem on
> the user? I have EXACTLY the same problem - NOT on a network computer,
> it is on my home computer. I need some emails I saved in a "kept"
> folder, but OE6 won't let me do anything with them after it "helped me"
> by compacting and saving a couple of MB on my 80 GB hard drive.
>
> I want to know how to restore my emails. Using the message import doesn't
> work.

mrd
07-09-2005, 11:26 PM
In searching the messages here I have found an answer. Apparently when you
use the most popular email program (OE) and the most popular internet
security software (Norton) and you use a so-called "feature" of the email
program you get screwed. OE6 was incessantly demanding that I compact
folders and I finally did so. This created several large .dbx files
apparently with nothing in them. (I tried restoring with OE6 from the main
location - could not import, "files in use". So I tried copying the files to
another folder and restoring - the import ran, but no files). I was able to
restore some older files using DBXpress, but I must have over-written the
recent ones when I was trying other recommended "fixes". Therefore I lost
all of my emails from the last few months.

What really ticks me off is this compacting "feature" is completely
worthless for anyone with a relatively new computer. The hard drives are so
large (tens of GB) that the couple of MB saved by compacting is completely
meaningless. OE6 should be fixed to stop the automatic compacting (by
automatic I am referring to the continually repeated request to compact -
this is like kids on a trip asking "are we there yet" every 5 minutes). If
someone wants to do it, they can do it manually, but the program should NOT
demand to do it every time it is used.

I post this as a warnig to all - DO NOT COMPACT YOUR FILES IN OUTLOOK
EXPRESS 6 IF YOU EVER WANT TO SEE THEM AGAIN.

Live and learn. I am shifting my primary email to gmail.

Thanks for the responses.
Mark


"PA Bear" wrote:

> What was the name of this "kept" folder?
>
> Why it happens:
>
> http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/problems/bugs.htm#mailgone
> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/community/columns/filecorruption.mspx
>
> Recovering data: http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#4
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> DBXtract
> http://www.oehelp.com/DBXtract/Default.aspx
>
> DBXtend (additional functionality)
> http://www.oehelp.com/DBXtend/Default.aspx
>
> DBXpress (faster, more powerful, with even greater functionality)
> http://www.oehelp.com/DBXpress/Default.aspx
>
> OEX (OE Enhancement Program)
> http://www.oehelp.com/OEX/Default.aspx
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Avoid Such Corruption in Future:
>
> - Don't use Inbox or Sent Items to archive messages. Move them to local
> folders created for this purpose.
>
> - Empty Deleted Items folder daily.
>
> - Disable Background Compacting [N/A in SP2] and frequently perform a manual
> compact of all OE folders while "working offline". More at
> http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/files/maintain.htm.
>
> - Your anti-virus application's email scanning feature can also cause such
> corruption. Disable it. It provides no additional protection.
> --
> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE) & Security
>
> mrd wrote:
> > Can SOMEONE actually answer this question without blaming the problem on
> > the user? I have EXACTLY the same problem - NOT on a network computer,
> > it is on my home computer. I need some emails I saved in a "kept"
> > folder, but OE6 won't let me do anything with them after it "helped me"
> > by compacting and saving a couple of MB on my 80 GB hard drive.
> >
> > I want to know how to restore my emails. Using the message import doesn't
> > work.
>
>

Alias
07-09-2005, 11:26 PM
"mrd" <mrd@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:FF91F9A0-6A01-4DD0-B73C-ACB21DD63A00@microsoft.com...
> In searching the messages here I have found an answer. Apparently when
> you
> use the most popular email program (OE) and the most popular internet
> security software (Norton) and you use a so-called "feature" of the email
> program you get screwed. OE6 was incessantly demanding that I compact
> folders and I finally did so. This created several large .dbx files
> apparently with nothing in them. (I tried restoring with OE6 from the
> main
> location - could not import, "files in use". So I tried copying the files
> to
> another folder and restoring - the import ran, but no files). I was able
> to
> restore some older files using DBXpress, but I must have over-written the
> recent ones when I was trying other recommended "fixes". Therefore I
> lost
> all of my emails from the last few months.
>
> What really ticks me off is this compacting "feature" is completely
> worthless for anyone with a relatively new computer. The hard drives are
> so
> large (tens of GB) that the couple of MB saved by compacting is completely
> meaningless. OE6 should be fixed to stop the automatic compacting (by
> automatic I am referring to the continually repeated request to compact -
> this is like kids on a trip asking "are we there yet" every 5 minutes).
> If
> someone wants to do it, they can do it manually, but the program should
> NOT
> demand to do it every time it is used.
>
> I post this as a warnig to all - DO NOT COMPACT YOUR FILES IN OUTLOOK
> EXPRESS 6 IF YOU EVER WANT TO SEE THEM AGAIN.
>
> Live and learn. I am shifting my primary email to gmail.
>
> Thanks for the responses.
> Mark

I knew this would get people pissed off. I back up ten times a day now :-) I
hope OE 7 lets *us* decide when to compact. The program will only demand it
every 100 closings unless, of course, you cancel it. If you do that, it will
keep coming up until you give in or, worse yet, choose, "don't show this
message again".

BTW, I have had that come up about ten times now and, every time, I let it
do its thing and haven't had any problem.

Alias
>
>
> "PA Bear" wrote:
>
>> What was the name of this "kept" folder?
>>
>> Why it happens:
>>
>> http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/problems/bugs.htm#mailgone
>>
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/community/columns/filecorruption.mspx
>>
>> Recovering data: http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#4
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> DBXtract
>> http://www.oehelp.com/DBXtract/Default.aspx
>>
>> DBXtend (additional functionality)
>> http://www.oehelp.com/DBXtend/Default.aspx
>>
>> DBXpress (faster, more powerful, with even greater functionality)
>> http://www.oehelp.com/DBXpress/Default.aspx
>>
>> OEX (OE Enhancement Program)
>> http://www.oehelp.com/OEX/Default.aspx
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Avoid Such Corruption in Future:
>>
>> - Don't use Inbox or Sent Items to archive messages. Move them to local
>> folders created for this purpose.
>>
>> - Empty Deleted Items folder daily.
>>
>> - Disable Background Compacting [N/A in SP2] and frequently perform a
>> manual
>> compact of all OE folders while "working offline". More at
>> http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/files/maintain.htm.
>>
>> - Your anti-virus application's email scanning feature can also cause
>> such
>> corruption. Disable it. It provides no additional protection.
>> --
>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>> MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE) & Security
>>
>> mrd wrote:
>> > Can SOMEONE actually answer this question without blaming the problem
>> > on
>> > the user? I have EXACTLY the same problem - NOT on a network computer,
>> > it is on my home computer. I need some emails I saved in a "kept"
>> > folder, but OE6 won't let me do anything with them after it "helped me"
>> > by compacting and saving a couple of MB on my 80 GB hard drive.
>> >
>> > I want to know how to restore my emails. Using the message import
>> > doesn't
>> > work.
>>
>>

Ron Sommer
07-09-2005, 11:26 PM
"mrd" <mrd@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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>
> What really ticks me off is this compacting "feature" is completely
> worthless for anyone with a relatively new computer. The hard drives are
> so
> large (tens of GB) that the couple of MB saved by compacting is completely
> meaningless. OE6 should be fixed to stop the automatic compacting (by
> automatic I am referring to the continually repeated request to compact -
> this is like kids on a trip asking "are we there yet" every 5 minutes).
> If
> someone wants to do it, they can do it manually, but the program should
> NOT
> demand to do it every time it is used.
>
snipped

The size of the hard drive has little to do with compacting OE folders.
Compaction reduces the size of the file that has to be opened.

OE asks to compact after 100 closings since the last compaction.

Alias
07-09-2005, 11:26 PM
"Ron Sommer" <rsommer@nospam.ktis.net> wrote in message
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>
> "mrd" <mrd@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:FF91F9A0-6A01-4DD0-B73C-ACB21DD63A00@microsoft.com...
>
> snipped
>>
>> What really ticks me off is this compacting "feature" is completely
>> worthless for anyone with a relatively new computer. The hard drives are
>> so
>> large (tens of GB) that the couple of MB saved by compacting is
>> completely
>> meaningless. OE6 should be fixed to stop the automatic compacting (by
>> automatic I am referring to the continually repeated request to compact -
>> this is like kids on a trip asking "are we there yet" every 5 minutes).
>> If
>> someone wants to do it, they can do it manually, but the program should
>> NOT
>> demand to do it every time it is used.
>>
> snipped
>
> The size of the hard drive has little to do with compacting OE folders.
> Compaction reduces the size of the file that has to be opened.
>
> OE asks to compact after 100 closings since the last compaction.

"Asks"? More like "demands".

Alias
>

Sunny
07-09-2005, 11:26 PM
"Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
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>
> "Ron Sommer" <rsommer@nospam.ktis.net> wrote in message
> news:eEtTW6VaFHA.3184@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>>
>> "mrd" <mrd@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:FF91F9A0-6A01-4DD0-B73C-ACB21DD63A00@microsoft.com...
>>
>> snipped
>>>
>>> What really ticks me off is this compacting "feature" is completely
>>> worthless for anyone with a relatively new computer. The hard drives
>>> are so
>>> large (tens of GB) that the couple of MB saved by compacting is
>>> completely
>>> meaningless. OE6 should be fixed to stop the automatic compacting (by
>>> automatic I am referring to the continually repeated request to
>>> compact -
>>> this is like kids on a trip asking "are we there yet" every 5 minutes).
>>> If
>>> someone wants to do it, they can do it manually, but the program should
>>> NOT
>>> demand to do it every time it is used.
>>>
>> snipped
>>
>> The size of the hard drive has little to do with compacting OE folders.
>> Compaction reduces the size of the file that has to be opened.
>>
>> OE asks to compact after 100 closings since the last compaction.
>
> "Asks"? More like "demands".

Demands? more like "I'm doing it now". :-)

Steve Cochran
07-09-2005, 11:26 PM
There is no OE7 and its unlikely there even will be one.

steve

"Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
news:%23dcBKQSaFHA.3488@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>
> "mrd" <mrd@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:FF91F9A0-6A01-4DD0-B73C-ACB21DD63A00@microsoft.com...
>> In searching the messages here I have found an answer. Apparently when
>> you
>> use the most popular email program (OE) and the most popular internet
>> security software (Norton) and you use a so-called "feature" of the email
>> program you get screwed. OE6 was incessantly demanding that I compact
>> folders and I finally did so. This created several large .dbx files
>> apparently with nothing in them. (I tried restoring with OE6 from the
>> main
>> location - could not import, "files in use". So I tried copying the
>> files to
>> another folder and restoring - the import ran, but no files). I was able
>> to
>> restore some older files using DBXpress, but I must have over-written the
>> recent ones when I was trying other recommended "fixes". Therefore I
>> lost
>> all of my emails from the last few months.
>>
>> What really ticks me off is this compacting "feature" is completely
>> worthless for anyone with a relatively new computer. The hard drives are
>> so
>> large (tens of GB) that the couple of MB saved by compacting is
>> completely
>> meaningless. OE6 should be fixed to stop the automatic compacting (by
>> automatic I am referring to the continually repeated request to compact -
>> this is like kids on a trip asking "are we there yet" every 5 minutes).
>> If
>> someone wants to do it, they can do it manually, but the program should
>> NOT
>> demand to do it every time it is used.
>>
>> I post this as a warnig to all - DO NOT COMPACT YOUR FILES IN OUTLOOK
>> EXPRESS 6 IF YOU EVER WANT TO SEE THEM AGAIN.
>>
>> Live and learn. I am shifting my primary email to gmail.
>>
>> Thanks for the responses.
>> Mark
>
> I knew this would get people pissed off. I back up ten times a day now :-)
> I hope OE 7 lets *us* decide when to compact. The program will only demand
> it every 100 closings unless, of course, you cancel it. If you do that, it
> will keep coming up until you give in or, worse yet, choose, "don't show
> this message again".
>
> BTW, I have had that come up about ten times now and, every time, I let it
> do its thing and haven't had any problem.
>
> Alias
>>
>>
>> "PA Bear" wrote:
>>
>>> What was the name of this "kept" folder?
>>>
>>> Why it happens:
>>>
>>> http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/problems/bugs.htm#mailgone
>>>
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/community/columns/filecorruption.mspx
>>>
>>> Recovering data: http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#4
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> DBXtract
>>> http://www.oehelp.com/DBXtract/Default.aspx
>>>
>>> DBXtend (additional functionality)
>>> http://www.oehelp.com/DBXtend/Default.aspx
>>>
>>> DBXpress (faster, more powerful, with even greater functionality)
>>> http://www.oehelp.com/DBXpress/Default.aspx
>>>
>>> OEX (OE Enhancement Program)
>>> http://www.oehelp.com/OEX/Default.aspx
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> Avoid Such Corruption in Future:
>>>
>>> - Don't use Inbox or Sent Items to archive messages. Move them to local
>>> folders created for this purpose.
>>>
>>> - Empty Deleted Items folder daily.
>>>
>>> - Disable Background Compacting [N/A in SP2] and frequently perform a
>>> manual
>>> compact of all OE folders while "working offline". More at
>>> http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/files/maintain.htm.
>>>
>>> - Your anti-virus application's email scanning feature can also cause
>>> such
>>> corruption. Disable it. It provides no additional protection.
>>> --
>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>>> MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE) & Security
>>>
>>> mrd wrote:
>>> > Can SOMEONE actually answer this question without blaming the problem
>>> > on
>>> > the user? I have EXACTLY the same problem - NOT on a network
>>> > computer,
>>> > it is on my home computer. I need some emails I saved in a "kept"
>>> > folder, but OE6 won't let me do anything with them after it "helped
>>> > me"
>>> > by compacting and saving a couple of MB on my 80 GB hard drive.
>>> >
>>> > I want to know how to restore my emails. Using the message import
>>> > doesn't
>>> > work.
>>>
>>>
>
>

Steve Cochran
07-09-2005, 11:26 PM
You conclusion is a bit muddled. If you don't compact the folders they will
continue to grow in size and eventually, since OE cannot handle large files,
you will lose all your messages due to that.

See www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx and points 2 and 3 there.

Backing up is also important, as many things can lead to corruption of the
message store or failure of the hard drive.

Did you try the extract from disk feature of DBXpress? That might recover
more than if you just used the extraction from files.

cheers,

steve

"mrd" <mrd@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:FF91F9A0-6A01-4DD0-B73C-ACB21DD63A00@microsoft.com...
> In searching the messages here I have found an answer. Apparently when
> you
> use the most popular email program (OE) and the most popular internet
> security software (Norton) and you use a so-called "feature" of the email
> program you get screwed. OE6 was incessantly demanding that I compact
> folders and I finally did so. This created several large .dbx files
> apparently with nothing in them. (I tried restoring with OE6 from the
> main
> location - could not import, "files in use". So I tried copying the files
> to
> another folder and restoring - the import ran, but no files). I was able
> to
> restore some older files using DBXpress, but I must have over-written the
> recent ones when I was trying other recommended "fixes". Therefore I
> lost
> all of my emails from the last few months.
>
> What really ticks me off is this compacting "feature" is completely
> worthless for anyone with a relatively new computer. The hard drives are
> so
> large (tens of GB) that the couple of MB saved by compacting is completely
> meaningless. OE6 should be fixed to stop the automatic compacting (by
> automatic I am referring to the continually repeated request to compact -
> this is like kids on a trip asking "are we there yet" every 5 minutes).
> If
> someone wants to do it, they can do it manually, but the program should
> NOT
> demand to do it every time it is used.
>
> I post this as a warnig to all - DO NOT COMPACT YOUR FILES IN OUTLOOK
> EXPRESS 6 IF YOU EVER WANT TO SEE THEM AGAIN.
>
> Live and learn. I am shifting my primary email to gmail.
>
> Thanks for the responses.
> Mark
>
>
> "PA Bear" wrote:
>
>> What was the name of this "kept" folder?
>>
>> Why it happens:
>>
>> http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/problems/bugs.htm#mailgone
>>
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/community/columns/filecorruption.mspx
>>
>> Recovering data: http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#4
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> DBXtract
>> http://www.oehelp.com/DBXtract/Default.aspx
>>
>> DBXtend (additional functionality)
>> http://www.oehelp.com/DBXtend/Default.aspx
>>
>> DBXpress (faster, more powerful, with even greater functionality)
>> http://www.oehelp.com/DBXpress/Default.aspx
>>
>> OEX (OE Enhancement Program)
>> http://www.oehelp.com/OEX/Default.aspx
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Avoid Such Corruption in Future:
>>
>> - Don't use Inbox or Sent Items to archive messages. Move them to local
>> folders created for this purpose.
>>
>> - Empty Deleted Items folder daily.
>>
>> - Disable Background Compacting [N/A in SP2] and frequently perform a
>> manual
>> compact of all OE folders while "working offline". More at
>> http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/files/maintain.htm.
>>
>> - Your anti-virus application's email scanning feature can also cause
>> such
>> corruption. Disable it. It provides no additional protection.
>> --
>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>> MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE) & Security
>>
>> mrd wrote:
>> > Can SOMEONE actually answer this question without blaming the problem
>> > on
>> > the user? I have EXACTLY the same problem - NOT on a network computer,
>> > it is on my home computer. I need some emails I saved in a "kept"
>> > folder, but OE6 won't let me do anything with them after it "helped me"
>> > by compacting and saving a couple of MB on my 80 GB hard drive.
>> >
>> > I want to know how to restore my emails. Using the message import
>> > doesn't
>> > work.
>>
>>

Alias
07-09-2005, 11:26 PM
It won't come with IE7? How do you know? Will Longhorn have a new email
program?

Alias

"Steve Cochran" <scochran@oehelp.com> wrote

> There is no OE7 and its unlikely there even will be one.
>
> steve
>
> "Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
> news:%23dcBKQSaFHA.3488@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>
>> "mrd" <mrd@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:FF91F9A0-6A01-4DD0-B73C-ACB21DD63A00@microsoft.com...
>>> In searching the messages here I have found an answer. Apparently when
>>> you
>>> use the most popular email program (OE) and the most popular internet
>>> security software (Norton) and you use a so-called "feature" of the
>>> email
>>> program you get screwed. OE6 was incessantly demanding that I compact
>>> folders and I finally did so. This created several large .dbx files
>>> apparently with nothing in them. (I tried restoring with OE6 from the
>>> main
>>> location - could not import, "files in use". So I tried copying the
>>> files to
>>> another folder and restoring - the import ran, but no files). I was
>>> able to
>>> restore some older files using DBXpress, but I must have over-written
>>> the
>>> recent ones when I was trying other recommended "fixes". Therefore I
>>> lost
>>> all of my emails from the last few months.
>>>
>>> What really ticks me off is this compacting "feature" is completely
>>> worthless for anyone with a relatively new computer. The hard drives
>>> are so
>>> large (tens of GB) that the couple of MB saved by compacting is
>>> completely
>>> meaningless. OE6 should be fixed to stop the automatic compacting (by
>>> automatic I am referring to the continually repeated request to
>>> compact -
>>> this is like kids on a trip asking "are we there yet" every 5 minutes).
>>> If
>>> someone wants to do it, they can do it manually, but the program should
>>> NOT
>>> demand to do it every time it is used.
>>>
>>> I post this as a warnig to all - DO NOT COMPACT YOUR FILES IN OUTLOOK
>>> EXPRESS 6 IF YOU EVER WANT TO SEE THEM AGAIN.
>>>
>>> Live and learn. I am shifting my primary email to gmail.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the responses.
>>> Mark
>>
>> I knew this would get people pissed off. I back up ten times a day now
>> :-) I hope OE 7 lets *us* decide when to compact. The program will only
>> demand it every 100 closings unless, of course, you cancel it. If you do
>> that, it will keep coming up until you give in or, worse yet, choose,
>> "don't show this message again".
>>
>> BTW, I have had that come up about ten times now and, every time, I let
>> it do its thing and haven't had any problem.
>>
>> Alias
>>>
>>>
>>> "PA Bear" wrote:
>>>
>>>> What was the name of this "kept" folder?
>>>>
>>>> Why it happens:
>>>>
>>>> http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/problems/bugs.htm#mailgone
>>>>
>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/community/columns/filecorruption.mspx
>>>>
>>>> Recovering data: http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#4
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>> DBXtract
>>>> http://www.oehelp.com/DBXtract/Default.aspx
>>>>
>>>> DBXtend (additional functionality)
>>>> http://www.oehelp.com/DBXtend/Default.aspx
>>>>
>>>> DBXpress (faster, more powerful, with even greater functionality)
>>>> http://www.oehelp.com/DBXpress/Default.aspx
>>>>
>>>> OEX (OE Enhancement Program)
>>>> http://www.oehelp.com/OEX/Default.aspx
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>> Avoid Such Corruption in Future:
>>>>
>>>> - Don't use Inbox or Sent Items to archive messages. Move them to
>>>> local
>>>> folders created for this purpose.
>>>>
>>>> - Empty Deleted Items folder daily.
>>>>
>>>> - Disable Background Compacting [N/A in SP2] and frequently perform a
>>>> manual
>>>> compact of all OE folders while "working offline". More at
>>>> http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/files/maintain.htm.
>>>>
>>>> - Your anti-virus application's email scanning feature can also cause
>>>> such
>>>> corruption. Disable it. It provides no additional protection.
>>>> --
>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>>>> MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE) & Security
>>>>
>>>> mrd wrote:
>>>> > Can SOMEONE actually answer this question without blaming the problem
>>>> > on
>>>> > the user? I have EXACTLY the same problem - NOT on a network
>>>> > computer,
>>>> > it is on my home computer. I need some emails I saved in a "kept"
>>>> > folder, but OE6 won't let me do anything with them after it "helped
>>>> > me"
>>>> > by compacting and saving a couple of MB on my 80 GB hard drive.
>>>> >
>>>> > I want to know how to restore my emails. Using the message import
>>>> > doesn't
>>>> > work.
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>

MRD
07-09-2005, 11:26 PM
I know that large folders (like an inbox with a 1000 messages) can be a
problem - that is why I delete messages every so often (but only those I want
to never see again - it is MY choice) and move some important ones to other
folders. This keeps the folder sizes manageable and OE doesn't have
problems.

I tried DBXpress in disk mode. It found lots of emails, but no recent (last
2 months or so) messages. I probably over-wrote those ares of the disk in
moving files to try the OE restore (OE restore would NOT run with the files
in the folder created during the compacting).

The full problem is not necessarily with the compacting, but (and this is
from another post on a different thread) compacting while you have Norton
Internet Security. I found some nice large .dbx files, but they did not
contain anything that could be identified as a message. Apparently the files
are "all zeros".

I still maintain that the program incessantly demanding to compact is NOT a
good thing. If it only asked every 10 - 20 closings after it hit its trigger
instead of every time, it would be MUCH better.

Google's gmail is much better.

Mark


"Steve Cochran" wrote:

> You conclusion is a bit muddled. If you don't compact the folders they will
> continue to grow in size and eventually, since OE cannot handle large files,
> you will lose all your messages due to that.
>
> See www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx and points 2 and 3 there.
>
> Backing up is also important, as many things can lead to corruption of the
> message store or failure of the hard drive.
>
> Did you try the extract from disk feature of DBXpress? That might recover
> more than if you just used the extraction from files.
>
> cheers,
>
> steve
>
> "mrd" <mrd@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:FF91F9A0-6A01-4DD0-B73C-ACB21DD63A00@microsoft.com...
> > In searching the messages here I have found an answer. Apparently when
> > you
> > use the most popular email program (OE) and the most popular internet
> > security software (Norton) and you use a so-called "feature" of the email
> > program you get screwed. OE6 was incessantly demanding that I compact
> > folders and I finally did so. This created several large .dbx files
> > apparently with nothing in them. (I tried restoring with OE6 from the
> > main
> > location - could not import, "files in use". So I tried copying the files
> > to
> > another folder and restoring - the import ran, but no files). I was able
> > to
> > restore some older files using DBXpress, but I must have over-written the
> > recent ones when I was trying other recommended "fixes". Therefore I
> > lost
> > all of my emails from the last few months.
> >
> > What really ticks me off is this compacting "feature" is completely
> > worthless for anyone with a relatively new computer. The hard drives are
> > so
> > large (tens of GB) that the couple of MB saved by compacting is completely
> > meaningless. OE6 should be fixed to stop the automatic compacting (by
> > automatic I am referring to the continually repeated request to compact -
> > this is like kids on a trip asking "are we there yet" every 5 minutes).
> > If
> > someone wants to do it, they can do it manually, but the program should
> > NOT
> > demand to do it every time it is used.
> >
> > I post this as a warnig to all - DO NOT COMPACT YOUR FILES IN OUTLOOK
> > EXPRESS 6 IF YOU EVER WANT TO SEE THEM AGAIN.
> >
> > Live and learn. I am shifting my primary email to gmail.
> >
> > Thanks for the responses.
> > Mark
> >
> >
> > "PA Bear" wrote:
> >
> >> What was the name of this "kept" folder?
> >>
> >> Why it happens:
> >>
> >> http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/problems/bugs.htm#mailgone
> >>
> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/community/columns/filecorruption.mspx
> >>
> >> Recovering data: http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#4
> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> DBXtract
> >> http://www.oehelp.com/DBXtract/Default.aspx
> >>
> >> DBXtend (additional functionality)
> >> http://www.oehelp.com/DBXtend/Default.aspx
> >>
> >> DBXpress (faster, more powerful, with even greater functionality)
> >> http://www.oehelp.com/DBXpress/Default.aspx
> >>
> >> OEX (OE Enhancement Program)
> >> http://www.oehelp.com/OEX/Default.aspx
> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> Avoid Such Corruption in Future:
> >>
> >> - Don't use Inbox or Sent Items to archive messages. Move them to local
> >> folders created for this purpose.
> >>
> >> - Empty Deleted Items folder daily.
> >>
> >> - Disable Background Compacting [N/A in SP2] and frequently perform a
> >> manual
> >> compact of all OE folders while "working offline". More at
> >> http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/files/maintain.htm.
> >>
> >> - Your anti-virus application's email scanning feature can also cause
> >> such
> >> corruption. Disable it. It provides no additional protection.
> >> --
> >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> >> MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE) & Security
> >>
> >> mrd wrote:
> >> > Can SOMEONE actually answer this question without blaming the problem
> >> > on
> >> > the user? I have EXACTLY the same problem - NOT on a network computer,
> >> > it is on my home computer. I need some emails I saved in a "kept"
> >> > folder, but OE6 won't let me do anything with them after it "helped me"
> >> > by compacting and saving a couple of MB on my 80 GB hard drive.
> >> >
> >> > I want to know how to restore my emails. Using the message import
> >> > doesn't
> >> > work.
> >>
> >>
>
>

Bruce Hagen
07-09-2005, 11:26 PM
Since you understand that you are taking a chance by not compacting, and
realize you can eventually lose your mail if you don't, but as you say it is
your choice, then you can reset the counter to zero when you see the prompt
and you won't see it again for another 100 closings.

Remember, deleting, or moving mail, does not reduce the file size unless you
compact It's basically the same as defraging your HD. When you empty the
recycle bin, the wasted space is still there until you defrag.

Go to: Start>Run>Regedit>OK and find this key.

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Identities\{GUID for Identity}\Software\Microsoft\Outlook
Express\5.0. In the right hand pane and find *Compact Check Count* and set
the value to 0, (zero). This will reset the prompt, and you won't see it
again for another 100 closings.


Another choice, if you want to compact when *you* want to compact, Steve
Cochran has added a button in his new version of OE Tool that will not only
Compact All Folders, but at the same time, resets the "Compact Check Count"
to zero whenever you compact manually. You will see the prompt again if you
do not compact before 100 closings.

http://www.oehelp.com/OETool/

It is still advised to check Work Offline before you compact.

Please see this about compacting your folders:
http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm#compact

Bruce Hagen
MS MVP - (IE/OE)
~IB-CA~


"MRD" <MRD@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:8E66F8F5-686D-41EB-8CA7-2DFF3720ECC8@microsoft.com...
>I know that large folders (like an inbox with a 1000 messages) can be a
> problem - that is why I delete messages every so often (but only those I
> want
> to never see again - it is MY choice) and move some important ones to
> other
> folders. This keeps the folder sizes manageable and OE doesn't have
> problems.
>
> I tried DBXpress in disk mode. It found lots of emails, but no recent
> (last
> 2 months or so) messages. I probably over-wrote those ares of the disk in
> moving files to try the OE restore (OE restore would NOT run with the
> files
> in the folder created during the compacting).
>
> The full problem is not necessarily with the compacting, but (and this is
> from another post on a different thread) compacting while you have Norton
> Internet Security. I found some nice large .dbx files, but they did not
> contain anything that could be identified as a message. Apparently the
> files
> are "all zeros".
>
> I still maintain that the program incessantly demanding to compact is NOT
> a
> good thing. If it only asked every 10 - 20 closings after it hit its
> trigger
> instead of every time, it would be MUCH better.
>
> Google's gmail is much better.
>
> Mark
>
>
> "Steve Cochran" wrote:
>
>> You conclusion is a bit muddled. If you don't compact the folders they
>> will
>> continue to grow in size and eventually, since OE cannot handle large
>> files,
>> you will lose all your messages due to that.
>>
>> See www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx and points 2 and 3 there.
>>
>> Backing up is also important, as many things can lead to corruption of
>> the
>> message store or failure of the hard drive.
>>
>> Did you try the extract from disk feature of DBXpress? That might
>> recover
>> more than if you just used the extraction from files.
>>
>> cheers,
>>
>> steve
>>
>> "mrd" <mrd@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:FF91F9A0-6A01-4DD0-B73C-ACB21DD63A00@microsoft.com...
>> > In searching the messages here I have found an answer. Apparently when
>> > you
>> > use the most popular email program (OE) and the most popular internet
>> > security software (Norton) and you use a so-called "feature" of the
>> > email
>> > program you get screwed. OE6 was incessantly demanding that I compact
>> > folders and I finally did so. This created several large .dbx files
>> > apparently with nothing in them. (I tried restoring with OE6 from the
>> > main
>> > location - could not import, "files in use". So I tried copying the
>> > files
>> > to
>> > another folder and restoring - the import ran, but no files). I was
>> > able
>> > to
>> > restore some older files using DBXpress, but I must have over-written
>> > the
>> > recent ones when I was trying other recommended "fixes". Therefore I
>> > lost
>> > all of my emails from the last few months.
>> >
>> > What really ticks me off is this compacting "feature" is completely
>> > worthless for anyone with a relatively new computer. The hard drives
>> > are
>> > so
>> > large (tens of GB) that the couple of MB saved by compacting is
>> > completely
>> > meaningless. OE6 should be fixed to stop the automatic compacting (by
>> > automatic I am referring to the continually repeated request to
>> > compact -
>> > this is like kids on a trip asking "are we there yet" every 5 minutes).
>> > If
>> > someone wants to do it, they can do it manually, but the program should
>> > NOT
>> > demand to do it every time it is used.
>> >
>> > I post this as a warnig to all - DO NOT COMPACT YOUR FILES IN OUTLOOK
>> > EXPRESS 6 IF YOU EVER WANT TO SEE THEM AGAIN.
>> >
>> > Live and learn. I am shifting my primary email to gmail.
>> >
>> > Thanks for the responses.
>> > Mark
>> >
>> >
>> > "PA Bear" wrote:
>> >
>> >> What was the name of this "kept" folder?
>> >>
>> >> Why it happens:
>> >>
>> >> http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/problems/bugs.htm#mailgone
>> >>
>> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/community/columns/filecorruption.mspx
>> >>
>> >> Recovering data: http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#4
>> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >> DBXtract
>> >> http://www.oehelp.com/DBXtract/Default.aspx
>> >>
>> >> DBXtend (additional functionality)
>> >> http://www.oehelp.com/DBXtend/Default.aspx
>> >>
>> >> DBXpress (faster, more powerful, with even greater functionality)
>> >> http://www.oehelp.com/DBXpress/Default.aspx
>> >>
>> >> OEX (OE Enhancement Program)
>> >> http://www.oehelp.com/OEX/Default.aspx
>> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >> Avoid Such Corruption in Future:
>> >>
>> >> - Don't use Inbox or Sent Items to archive messages. Move them to
>> >> local
>> >> folders created for this purpose.
>> >>
>> >> - Empty Deleted Items folder daily.
>> >>
>> >> - Disable Background Compacting [N/A in SP2] and frequently perform a
>> >> manual
>> >> compact of all OE folders while "working offline". More at
>> >> http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/files/maintain.htm.
>> >>
>> >> - Your anti-virus application's email scanning feature can also cause
>> >> such
>> >> corruption. Disable it. It provides no additional protection.
>> >> --
>> >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>> >> MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE) & Security
>> >>
>> >> mrd wrote:
>> >> > Can SOMEONE actually answer this question without blaming the
>> >> > problem
>> >> > on
>> >> > the user? I have EXACTLY the same problem - NOT on a network
>> >> > computer,
>> >> > it is on my home computer. I need some emails I saved in a "kept"
>> >> > folder, but OE6 won't let me do anything with them after it "helped
>> >> > me"
>> >> > by compacting and saving a couple of MB on my 80 GB hard drive.
>> >> >
>> >> > I want to know how to restore my emails. Using the message import
>> >> > doesn't
>> >> > work.
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>

MRD
07-09-2005, 11:26 PM
Since I compacted and lost all of my messages, I fail to see the difference.

When I delete files from my hard drive, the used space (file size) decreases
- even without defrag. That space (or some portion thereof) will be used by
some new file. Apparently OE doesn't work that way and all of the spam and
useless meassages I have deleted are still taking up space. This is news to
me - and defies logic. I will add this to my list of reasons why
off-computer email systems (gmail, Yahoo) are better than OE.

Mark


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

> Since you understand that you are taking a chance by not compacting, and
> realize you can eventually lose your mail if you don't, but as you say it is
> your choice, then you can reset the counter to zero when you see the prompt
> and you won't see it again for another 100 closings.
>
> Remember, deleting, or moving mail, does not reduce the file size unless you
> compact It's basically the same as defraging your HD. When you empty the
> recycle bin, the wasted space is still there until you defrag.
>
> Go to: Start>Run>Regedit>OK and find this key.
>
> HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Identities\{GUID for Identity}\Software\Microsoft\Outlook
> Express\5.0. In the right hand pane and find *Compact Check Count* and set
> the value to 0, (zero). This will reset the prompt, and you won't see it
> again for another 100 closings.
>
>
> Another choice, if you want to compact when *you* want to compact, Steve
> Cochran has added a button in his new version of OE Tool that will not only
> Compact All Folders, but at the same time, resets the "Compact Check Count"
> to zero whenever you compact manually. You will see the prompt again if you
> do not compact before 100 closings.
>
> http://www.oehelp.com/OETool/
>
> It is still advised to check Work Offline before you compact.
>
> Please see this about compacting your folders:
> http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm#compact
>
> Bruce Hagen
> MS MVP - (IE/OE)
> ~IB-CA~
>
>
> "MRD" <MRD@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:8E66F8F5-686D-41EB-8CA7-2DFF3720ECC8@microsoft.com...
> >I know that large folders (like an inbox with a 1000 messages) can be a
> > problem - that is why I delete messages every so often (but only those I
> > want
> > to never see again - it is MY choice) and move some important ones to
> > other
> > folders. This keeps the folder sizes manageable and OE doesn't have
> > problems.
> >
> > I tried DBXpress in disk mode. It found lots of emails, but no recent
> > (last
> > 2 months or so) messages. I probably over-wrote those ares of the disk in
> > moving files to try the OE restore (OE restore would NOT run with the
> > files
> > in the folder created during the compacting).
> >
> > The full problem is not necessarily with the compacting, but (and this is
> > from another post on a different thread) compacting while you have Norton
> > Internet Security. I found some nice large .dbx files, but they did not
> > contain anything that could be identified as a message. Apparently the
> > files
> > are "all zeros".
> >
> > I still maintain that the program incessantly demanding to compact is NOT
> > a
> > good thing. If it only asked every 10 - 20 closings after it hit its
> > trigger
> > instead of every time, it would be MUCH better.
> >
> > Google's gmail is much better.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> > "Steve Cochran" wrote:
> >
> >> You conclusion is a bit muddled. If you don't compact the folders they
> >> will
> >> continue to grow in size and eventually, since OE cannot handle large
> >> files,
> >> you will lose all your messages due to that.
> >>
> >> See www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx and points 2 and 3 there.
> >>
> >> Backing up is also important, as many things can lead to corruption of
> >> the
> >> message store or failure of the hard drive.
> >>
> >> Did you try the extract from disk feature of DBXpress? That might
> >> recover
> >> more than if you just used the extraction from files.
> >>
> >> cheers,
> >>
> >> steve
> >>
> >> "mrd" <mrd@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:FF91F9A0-6A01-4DD0-B73C-ACB21DD63A00@microsoft.com...
> >> > In searching the messages here I have found an answer. Apparently when
> >> > you
> >> > use the most popular email program (OE) and the most popular internet
> >> > security software (Norton) and you use a so-called "feature" of the
> >> > email
> >> > program you get screwed. OE6 was incessantly demanding that I compact
> >> > folders and I finally did so. This created several large .dbx files
> >> > apparently with nothing in them. (I tried restoring with OE6 from the
> >> > main
> >> > location - could not import, "files in use". So I tried copying the
> >> > files
> >> > to
> >> > another folder and restoring - the import ran, but no files). I was
> >> > able
> >> > to
> >> > restore some older files using DBXpress, but I must have over-written
> >> > the
> >> > recent ones when I was trying other recommended "fixes". Therefore I
> >> > lost
> >> > all of my emails from the last few months.
> >> >
> >> > What really ticks me off is this compacting "feature" is completely
> >> > worthless for anyone with a relatively new computer. The hard drives
> >> > are
> >> > so
> >> > large (tens of GB) that the couple of MB saved by compacting is
> >> > completely
> >> > meaningless. OE6 should be fixed to stop the automatic compacting (by
> >> > automatic I am referring to the continually repeated request to
> >> > compact -
> >> > this is like kids on a trip asking "are we there yet" every 5 minutes).
> >> > If
> >> > someone wants to do it, they can do it manually, but the program should
> >> > NOT
> >> > demand to do it every time it is used.
> >> >
> >> > I post this as a warnig to all - DO NOT COMPACT YOUR FILES IN OUTLOOK
> >> > EXPRESS 6 IF YOU EVER WANT TO SEE THEM AGAIN.
> >> >
> >> > Live and learn. I am shifting my primary email to gmail.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks for the responses.
> >> > Mark
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "PA Bear" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> What was the name of this "kept" folder?
> >> >>
> >> >> Why it happens:
> >> >>
> >> >> http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/problems/bugs.htm#mailgone
> >> >>
> >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/community/columns/filecorruption.mspx
> >> >>
> >> >> Recovering data: http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#4
> >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> >> DBXtract
> >> >> http://www.oehelp.com/DBXtract/Default.aspx
> >> >>
> >> >> DBXtend (additional functionality)
> >> >> http://www.oehelp.com/DBXtend/Default.aspx
> >> >>
> >> >> DBXpress (faster, more powerful, with even greater functionality)
> >> >> http://www.oehelp.com/DBXpress/Default.aspx
> >> >>
> >> >> OEX (OE Enhancement Program)
> >> >> http://www.oehelp.com/OEX/Default.aspx
> >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> >> Avoid Such Corruption in Future:
> >> >>
> >> >> - Don't use Inbox or Sent Items to archive messages. Move them to
> >> >> local
> >> >> folders created for this purpose.
> >> >>
> >> >> - Empty Deleted Items folder daily.
> >> >>
> >> >> - Disable Background Compacting [N/A in SP2] and frequently perform a
> >> >> manual
> >> >> compact of all OE folders while "working offline". More at
> >> >> http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/files/maintain.htm.
> >> >>
> >> >> - Your anti-virus application's email scanning feature can also cause
> >> >> such
> >> >> corruption. Disable it. It provides no additional protection.
> >> >> --
> >> >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> >> >> MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE) & Security
> >> >>
> >> >> mrd wrote:
> >> >> > Can SOMEONE actually answer this question without blaming the
> >> >> > problem
> >> >> > on
> >> >> > the user? I have EXACTLY the same problem - NOT on a network
> >> >> > computer,
> >> >> > it is on my home computer. I need some emails I saved in a "kept"
> >> >> > folder, but OE6 won't let me do anything with them after it "helped
> >> >> > me"
> >> >> > by compacting and saving a couple of MB on my 80 GB hard drive.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I want to know how to restore my emails. Using the message import
> >> >> > doesn't
> >> >> > work.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>

Jim Pickering
07-09-2005, 11:26 PM
All databases funtion in this manner. When you "delete" a piece of info in
the database, the space is flagged as available to be written to, but the
wasted space itself is not recovered. All databases will "slow down" if
this wasted space becomes too unwieldy and this is why all databases are
compacted routinely. If you're aware of any database that does not function
in a similar manner, I'd like to look at it. And a DBX file is a database,
chopped up by the designer into 512 byte segments with pieces of every
message scattered throughout the DBX file. Trying to compact such a mess is
difficult and stopping a compacting operation while it's ongoing, either by
pulling the plug or using Task Manager to force a shutdown of Outlook
Express *will* lead to lost messages, often called "file corruption."
--
Jim Pickering, MVP, Outlook Express
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile=F9F51EF1-4AE3-4D23-B2D8-1171988A62D6
Please deliver feedback to the newsgroup, so that others can be helped.
Thanks.


"MRD" <MRD@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:CE137AA2-3641-4373-A647-51C760D11EC7@microsoft.com...
> Since I compacted and lost all of my messages, I fail to see the
> difference.
>
> When I delete files from my hard drive, the used space (file size)
> decreases
> - even without defrag. That space (or some portion thereof) will be used
> by
> some new file. Apparently OE doesn't work that way and all of the spam
> and
> useless meassages I have deleted are still taking up space. This is news
> to
> me - and defies logic. I will add this to my list of reasons why
> off-computer email systems (gmail, Yahoo) are better than OE.
>
> Mark
>
>
> "Bruce Hagen" wrote:
>
>> Since you understand that you are taking a chance by not compacting, and
>> realize you can eventually lose your mail if you don't, but as you say it
>> is
>> your choice, then you can reset the counter to zero when you see the
>> prompt
>> and you won't see it again for another 100 closings.
>>
>> Remember, deleting, or moving mail, does not reduce the file size unless
>> you
>> compact It's basically the same as defraging your HD. When you empty the
>> recycle bin, the wasted space is still there until you defrag.
>>
>> Go to: Start>Run>Regedit>OK and find this key.
>>
>> HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Identities\{GUID for
>> Identity}\Software\Microsoft\Outlook
>> Express\5.0. In the right hand pane and find *Compact Check Count* and
>> set
>> the value to 0, (zero). This will reset the prompt, and you won't see it
>> again for another 100 closings.
>>
>>
>> Another choice, if you want to compact when *you* want to compact, Steve
>> Cochran has added a button in his new version of OE Tool that will not
>> only
>> Compact All Folders, but at the same time, resets the "Compact Check
>> Count"
>> to zero whenever you compact manually. You will see the prompt again if
>> you
>> do not compact before 100 closings.
>>
>> http://www.oehelp.com/OETool/
>>
>> It is still advised to check Work Offline before you compact.
>>
>> Please see this about compacting your folders:
>> http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm#compact
>>
>> Bruce Hagen
>> MS MVP - (IE/OE)
>> ~IB-CA~
>>
>>
>> "MRD" <MRD@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:8E66F8F5-686D-41EB-8CA7-2DFF3720ECC8@microsoft.com...
>> >I know that large folders (like an inbox with a 1000 messages) can be a
>> > problem - that is why I delete messages every so often (but only those
>> > I
>> > want
>> > to never see again - it is MY choice) and move some important ones to
>> > other
>> > folders. This keeps the folder sizes manageable and OE doesn't have
>> > problems.
>> >
>> > I tried DBXpress in disk mode. It found lots of emails, but no recent
>> > (last
>> > 2 months or so) messages. I probably over-wrote those ares of the disk
>> > in
>> > moving files to try the OE restore (OE restore would NOT run with the
>> > files
>> > in the folder created during the compacting).
>> >
>> > The full problem is not necessarily with the compacting, but (and this
>> > is
>> > from another post on a different thread) compacting while you have
>> > Norton
>> > Internet Security. I found some nice large .dbx files, but they did
>> > not
>> > contain anything that could be identified as a message. Apparently the
>> > files
>> > are "all zeros".
>> >
>> > I still maintain that the program incessantly demanding to compact is
>> > NOT
>> > a
>> > good thing. If it only asked every 10 - 20 closings after it hit its
>> > trigger
>> > instead of every time, it would be MUCH better.
>> >
>> > Google's gmail is much better.
>> >
>> > Mark
>> >
>> >
>> > "Steve Cochran" wrote:
>> >
>> >> You conclusion is a bit muddled. If you don't compact the folders
>> >> they
>> >> will
>> >> continue to grow in size and eventually, since OE cannot handle large
>> >> files,
>> >> you will lose all your messages due to that.
>> >>
>> >> See www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx and points 2 and 3 there.
>> >>
>> >> Backing up is also important, as many things can lead to corruption of
>> >> the
>> >> message store or failure of the hard drive.
>> >>
>> >> Did you try the extract from disk feature of DBXpress? That might
>> >> recover
>> >> more than if you just used the extraction from files.
>> >>
>> >> cheers,
>> >>
>> >> steve
>> >>
>> >> "mrd" <mrd@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:FF91F9A0-6A01-4DD0-B73C-ACB21DD63A00@microsoft.com...
>> >> > In searching the messages here I have found an answer. Apparently
>> >> > when
>> >> > you
>> >> > use the most popular email program (OE) and the most popular
>> >> > internet
>> >> > security software (Norton) and you use a so-called "feature" of the
>> >> > email
>> >> > program you get screwed. OE6 was incessantly demanding that I
>> >> > compact
>> >> > folders and I finally did so. This created several large .dbx files
>> >> > apparently with nothing in them. (I tried restoring with OE6 from
>> >> > the
>> >> > main
>> >> > location - could not import, "files in use". So I tried copying the
>> >> > files
>> >> > to
>> >> > another folder and restoring - the import ran, but no files). I was
>> >> > able
>> >> > to
>> >> > restore some older files using DBXpress, but I must have
>> >> > over-written
>> >> > the
>> >> > recent ones when I was trying other recommended "fixes". Therefore
>> >> > I
>> >> > lost
>> >> > all of my emails from the last few months.
>> >> >
>> >> > What really ticks me off is this compacting "feature" is completely
>> >> > worthless for anyone with a relatively new computer. The hard
>> >> > drives
>> >> > are
>> >> > so
>> >> > large (tens of GB) that the couple of MB saved by compacting is
>> >> > completely
>> >> > meaningless. OE6 should be fixed to stop the automatic compacting
>> >> > (by
>> >> > automatic I am referring to the continually repeated request to
>> >> > compact -
>> >> > this is like kids on a trip asking "are we there yet" every 5
>> >> > minutes).
>> >> > If
>> >> > someone wants to do it, they can do it manually, but the program
>> >> > should
>> >> > NOT
>> >> > demand to do it every time it is used.
>> >> >
>> >> > I post this as a warnig to all - DO NOT COMPACT YOUR FILES IN
>> >> > OUTLOOK
>> >> > EXPRESS 6 IF YOU EVER WANT TO SEE THEM AGAIN.
>> >> >
>> >> > Live and learn. I am shifting my primary email to gmail.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks for the responses.
>> >> > Mark
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "PA Bear" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> What was the name of this "kept" folder?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Why it happens:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/problems/bugs.htm#mailgone
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/community/columns/filecorruption.mspx
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Recovering data: http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#4
>> >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >> >> DBXtract
>> >> >> http://www.oehelp.com/DBXtract/Default.aspx
>> >> >>
>> >> >> DBXtend (additional functionality)
>> >> >> http://www.oehelp.com/DBXtend/Default.aspx
>> >> >>
>> >> >> DBXpress (faster, more powerful, with even greater functionality)
>> >> >> http://www.oehelp.com/DBXpress/Default.aspx
>> >> >>
>> >> >> OEX (OE Enhancement Program)
>> >> >> http://www.oehelp.com/OEX/Default.aspx
>> >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >> >> Avoid Such Corruption in Future:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> - Don't use Inbox or Sent Items to archive messages. Move them to
>> >> >> local
>> >> >> folders created for this purpose.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> - Empty Deleted Items folder daily.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> - Disable Background Compacting [N/A in SP2] and frequently perform
>> >> >> a
>> >> >> manual
>> >> >> compact of all OE folders while "working offline". More at
>> >> >> http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/files/maintain.htm.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> - Your anti-virus application's email scanning feature can also
>> >> >> cause
>> >> >> such
>> >> >> corruption. Disable it. It provides no additional protection.
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>> >> >> MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE) & Security
>> >> >>
>> >> >> mrd wrote:
>> >> >> > Can SOMEONE actually answer this question without blaming the
>> >> >> > problem
>> >> >> > on
>> >> >> > the user? I have EXACTLY the same problem - NOT on a network
>> >> >> > computer,
>> >> >> > it is on my home computer. I need some emails I saved in a
>> >> >> > "kept"
>> >> >> > folder, but OE6 won't let me do anything with them after it
>> >> >> > "helped
>> >> >> > me"
>> >> >> > by compacting and saving a couple of MB on my 80 GB hard drive.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I want to know how to restore my emails. Using the message
>> >> >> > import
>> >> >> > doesn't
>> >> >> > work.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>

Bruce Hagen
07-09-2005, 11:26 PM
Believe what you wish, it's your computer. We are only here to help and we
don't get paid to do it.

The only thing I could add if what you believe to be true is to stock up on
envelopes and stamps.

If your computer gains HD space without defragging, I'd like to know what
you are running, because I have never heard of that.

Best wishes in the future.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP - (IE/OE)
~IB-CA~

"MRD" <MRD@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:CE137AA2-3641-4373-A647-51C760D11EC7@microsoft.com...
> Since I compacted and lost all of my messages, I fail to see the
> difference.
>
> When I delete files from my hard drive, the used space (file size)
> decreases
> - even without defrag. That space (or some portion thereof) will be used
> by
> some new file. Apparently OE doesn't work that way and all of the spam
> and
> useless meassages I have deleted are still taking up space. This is news
> to
> me - and defies logic. I will add this to my list of reasons why
> off-computer email systems (gmail, Yahoo) are better than OE.
>
> Mark
>
>
> "Bruce Hagen" wrote:
>
>> Since you understand that you are taking a chance by not compacting, and
>> realize you can eventually lose your mail if you don't, but as you say it
>> is
>> your choice, then you can reset the counter to zero when you see the
>> prompt
>> and you won't see it again for another 100 closings.
>>
>> Remember, deleting, or moving mail, does not reduce the file size unless
>> you
>> compact It's basically the same as defraging your HD. When you empty the
>> recycle bin, the wasted space is still there until you defrag.
>>
>> Go to: Start>Run>Regedit>OK and find this key.
>>
>> HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Identities\{GUID for
>> Identity}\Software\Microsoft\Outlook
>> Express\5.0. In the right hand pane and find *Compact Check Count* and
>> set
>> the value to 0, (zero). This will reset the prompt, and you won't see it
>> again for another 100 closings.
>>
>>
>> Another choice, if you want to compact when *you* want to compact, Steve
>> Cochran has added a button in his new version of OE Tool that will not
>> only
>> Compact All Folders, but at the same time, resets the "Compact Check
>> Count"
>> to zero whenever you compact manually. You will see the prompt again if
>> you
>> do not compact before 100 closings.
>>
>> http://www.oehelp.com/OETool/
>>
>> It is still advised to check Work Offline before you compact.
>>
>> Please see this about compacting your folders:
>> http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm#compact
>>
>> Bruce Hagen
>> MS MVP - (IE/OE)
>> ~IB-CA~
>>
>>
>> "MRD" <MRD@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:8E66F8F5-686D-41EB-8CA7-2DFF3720ECC8@microsoft.com...
>> >I know that large folders (like an inbox with a 1000 messages) can be a
>> > problem - that is why I delete messages every so often (but only those
>> > I
>> > want
>> > to never see again - it is MY choice) and move some important ones to
>> > other
>> > folders. This keeps the folder sizes manageable and OE doesn't have
>> > problems.
>> >
>> > I tried DBXpress in disk mode. It found lots of emails, but no recent
>> > (last
>> > 2 months or so) messages. I probably over-wrote those ares of the disk
>> > in
>> > moving files to try the OE restore (OE restore would NOT run with the
>> > files
>> > in the folder created during the compacting).
>> >
>> > The full problem is not necessarily with the compacting, but (and this
>> > is
>> > from another post on a different thread) compacting while you have
>> > Norton
>> > Internet Security. I found some nice large .dbx files, but they did
>> > not
>> > contain anything that could be identified as a message. Apparently the
>> > files
>> > are "all zeros".
>> >
>> > I still maintain that the program incessantly demanding to compact is
>> > NOT
>> > a
>> > good thing. If it only asked every 10 - 20 closings after it hit its
>> > trigger
>> > instead of every time, it would be MUCH better.
>> >
>> > Google's gmail is much better.
>> >
>> > Mark
>> >
>> >
>> > "Steve Cochran" wrote:
>> >
>> >> You conclusion is a bit muddled. If you don't compact the folders
>> >> they
>> >> will
>> >> continue to grow in size and eventually, since OE cannot handle large
>> >> files,
>> >> you will lose all your messages due to that.
>> >>
>> >> See www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx and points 2 and 3 there.
>> >>
>> >> Backing up is also important, as many things can lead to corruption of
>> >> the
>> >> message store or failure of the hard drive.
>> >>
>> >> Did you try the extract from disk feature of DBXpress? That might
>> >> recover
>> >> more than if you just used the extraction from files.
>> >>
>> >> cheers,
>> >>
>> >> steve
>> >>
>> >> "mrd" <mrd@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:FF91F9A0-6A01-4DD0-B73C-ACB21DD63A00@microsoft.com...
>> >> > In searching the messages here I have found an answer. Apparently
>> >> > when
>> >> > you
>> >> > use the most popular email program (OE) and the most popular
>> >> > internet
>> >> > security software (Norton) and you use a so-called "feature" of the
>> >> > email
>> >> > program you get screwed. OE6 was incessantly demanding that I
>> >> > compact
>> >> > folders and I finally did so. This created several large .dbx files
>> >> > apparently with nothing in them. (I tried restoring with OE6 from
>> >> > the
>> >> > main
>> >> > location - could not import, "files in use". So I tried copying the
>> >> > files
>> >> > to
>> >> > another folder and restoring - the import ran, but no files). I was
>> >> > able
>> >> > to
>> >> > restore some older files using DBXpress, but I must have
>> >> > over-written
>> >> > the
>> >> > recent ones when I was trying other recommended "fixes". Therefore
>> >> > I
>> >> > lost
>> >> > all of my emails from the last few months.
>> >> >
>> >> > What really ticks me off is this compacting "feature" is completely
>> >> > worthless for anyone with a relatively new computer. The hard
>> >> > drives
>> >> > are
>> >> > so
>> >> > large (tens of GB) that the couple of MB saved by compacting is
>> >> > completely
>> >> > meaningless. OE6 should be fixed to stop the automatic compacting
>> >> > (by
>> >> > automatic I am referring to the continually repeated request to
>> >> > compact -
>> >> > this is like kids on a trip asking "are we there yet" every 5
>> >> > minutes).
>> >> > If
>> >> > someone wants to do it, they can do it manually, but the program
>> >> > should
>> >> > NOT
>> >> > demand to do it every time it is used.
>> >> >
>> >> > I post this as a warnig to all - DO NOT COMPACT YOUR FILES IN
>> >> > OUTLOOK
>> >> > EXPRESS 6 IF YOU EVER WANT TO SEE THEM AGAIN.
>> >> >
>> >> > Live and learn. I am shifting my primary email to gmail.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks for the responses.
>> >> > Mark
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "PA Bear" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> What was the name of this "kept" folder?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Why it happens:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/problems/bugs.htm#mailgone
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/community/columns/filecorruption.mspx
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Recovering data: http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#4
>> >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >> >> DBXtract
>> >> >> http://www.oehelp.com/DBXtract/Default.aspx
>> >> >>
>> >> >> DBXtend (additional functionality)
>> >> >> http://www.oehelp.com/DBXtend/Default.aspx
>> >> >>
>> >> >> DBXpress (faster, more powerful, with even greater functionality)
>> >> >> http://www.oehelp.com/DBXpress/Default.aspx
>> >> >>
>> >> >> OEX (OE Enhancement Program)
>> >> >> http://www.oehelp.com/OEX/Default.aspx
>> >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >> >> Avoid Such Corruption in Future:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> - Don't use Inbox or Sent Items to archive messages. Move them to
>> >> >> local
>> >> >> folders created for this purpose.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> - Empty Deleted Items folder daily.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> - Disable Background Compacting [N/A in SP2] and frequently perform
>> >> >> a
>> >> >> manual
>> >> >> compact of all OE folders while "working offline". More at
>> >> >> http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/files/maintain.htm.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> - Your anti-virus application's email scanning feature can also
>> >> >> cause
>> >> >> such
>> >> >> corruption. Disable it. It provides no additional protection.
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>> >> >> MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE) & Security
>> >> >>
>> >> >> mrd wrote:
>> >> >> > Can SOMEONE actually answer this question without blaming the
>> >> >> > problem
>> >> >> > on
>> >> >> > the user? I have EXACTLY the same problem - NOT on a network
>> >> >> > computer,
>> >> >> > it is on my home computer. I need some emails I saved in a
>> >> >> > "kept"
>> >> >> > folder, but OE6 won't let me do anything with them after it
>> >> >> > "helped
>> >> >> > me"
>> >> >> > by compacting and saving a couple of MB on my 80 GB hard drive.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I want to know how to restore my emails. Using the message
>> >> >> > import
>> >> >> > doesn't
>> >> >> > work.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>

SgtRich
07-09-2005, 11:26 PM
On Sun, 5 Jun 2005 13:52:42 +0200, "Alias"
<aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote:

>Will Longhorn have a new email program?
>
Yes. The mail program that comes with the next version of Windows (codenamed
Longhorn) will *not* be called Outlook Express. Microsoft has already stated
that. One of the MVP's here also stated, just the other day, that it would
use a new format for data files, not .dbx files.
--
<<<SgtRich>>>
Chicago, Illinois, USA

Alias
07-09-2005, 11:26 PM
We'll see what it's like next year I guess.

Alias
"SgtRich" <UseNewsgroup@NotEmail.invalid> wrote in message
news:vgs7a114gc9ih71r4o382quj0pmerhre1b@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 5 Jun 2005 13:52:42 +0200, "Alias"
> <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote:
>
>>Will Longhorn have a new email program?
>>
> Yes. The mail program that comes with the next version of Windows
> (codenamed
> Longhorn) will *not* be called Outlook Express. Microsoft has already
> stated
> that. One of the MVP's here also stated, just the other day, that it would
> use a new format for data files, not .dbx files.
> --
> <<<SgtRich>>>
> Chicago, Illinois, USA

Steve Cochran
07-09-2005, 11:26 PM
The MVPs are very limited in what they can say due to non-disclosure
agreements.

I thought there was something publically available here,
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/ , but I can't seem to find it at the moment.

I'll try to find more links relevant to this discussion as they become
available.

steve

"Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
news:uQ$cTUcaFHA.3280@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> It won't come with IE7? How do you know? Will Longhorn have a new email
> program?
>
> Alias
>
> "Steve Cochran" <scochran@oehelp.com> wrote
>
>> There is no OE7 and its unlikely there even will be one.
>>
>> steve
>>
>> "Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
>> news:%23dcBKQSaFHA.3488@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>> "mrd" <mrd@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:FF91F9A0-6A01-4DD0-B73C-ACB21DD63A00@microsoft.com...
>>>> In searching the messages here I have found an answer. Apparently when
>>>> you
>>>> use the most popular email program (OE) and the most popular internet
>>>> security software (Norton) and you use a so-called "feature" of the
>>>> email
>>>> program you get screwed. OE6 was incessantly demanding that I compact
>>>> folders and I finally did so. This created several large .dbx files
>>>> apparently with nothing in them. (I tried restoring with OE6 from the
>>>> main
>>>> location - could not import, "files in use". So I tried copying the
>>>> files to
>>>> another folder and restoring - the import ran, but no files). I was
>>>> able to
>>>> restore some older files using DBXpress, but I must have over-written
>>>> the
>>>> recent ones when I was trying other recommended "fixes". Therefore I
>>>> lost
>>>> all of my emails from the last few months.
>>>>
>>>> What really ticks me off is this compacting "feature" is completely
>>>> worthless for anyone with a relatively new computer. The hard drives
>>>> are so
>>>> large (tens of GB) that the couple of MB saved by compacting is
>>>> completely
>>>> meaningless. OE6 should be fixed to stop the automatic compacting (by
>>>> automatic I am referring to the continually repeated request to
>>>> compact -
>>>> this is like kids on a trip asking "are we there yet" every 5 minutes).
>>>> If
>>>> someone wants to do it, they can do it manually, but the program should
>>>> NOT
>>>> demand to do it every time it is used.
>>>>
>>>> I post this as a warnig to all - DO NOT COMPACT YOUR FILES IN OUTLOOK
>>>> EXPRESS 6 IF YOU EVER WANT TO SEE THEM AGAIN.
>>>>
>>>> Live and learn. I am shifting my primary email to gmail.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the responses.
>>>> Mark
>>>
>>> I knew this would get people pissed off. I back up ten times a day now
>>> :-) I hope OE 7 lets *us* decide when to compact. The program will only
>>> demand it every 100 closings unless, of course, you cancel it. If you do
>>> that, it will keep coming up until you give in or, worse yet, choose,
>>> "don't show this message again".
>>>
>>> BTW, I have had that come up about ten times now and, every time, I let
>>> it do its thing and haven't had any problem.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "PA Bear" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What was the name of this "kept" folder?
>>>>>
>>>>> Why it happens:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/problems/bugs.htm#mailgone
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/community/columns/filecorruption.mspx
>>>>>
>>>>> Recovering data: http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#4
>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>> DBXtract
>>>>> http://www.oehelp.com/DBXtract/Default.aspx
>>>>>
>>>>> DBXtend (additional functionality)
>>>>> http://www.oehelp.com/DBXtend/Default.aspx
>>>>>
>>>>> DBXpress (faster, more powerful, with even greater functionality)
>>>>> http://www.oehelp.com/DBXpress/Default.aspx
>>>>>
>>>>> OEX (OE Enhancement Program)
>>>>> http://www.oehelp.com/OEX/Default.aspx
>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>> Avoid Such Corruption in Future:
>>>>>
>>>>> - Don't use Inbox or Sent Items to archive messages. Move them to
>>>>> local
>>>>> folders created for this purpose.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Empty Deleted Items folder daily.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Disable Background Compacting [N/A in SP2] and frequently perform a
>>>>> manual
>>>>> compact of all OE folders while "working offline". More at
>>>>> http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/files/maintain.htm.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Your anti-virus application's email scanning feature can also cause
>>>>> such
>>>>> corruption. Disable it. It provides no additional protection.
>>>>> --
>>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>>>>> MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE) & Security
>>>>>
>>>>> mrd wrote:
>>>>> > Can SOMEONE actually answer this question without blaming the
>>>>> > problem on
>>>>> > the user? I have EXACTLY the same problem - NOT on a network
>>>>> > computer,
>>>>> > it is on my home computer. I need some emails I saved in a "kept"
>>>>> > folder, but OE6 won't let me do anything with them after it "helped
>>>>> > me"
>>>>> > by compacting and saving a couple of MB on my 80 GB hard drive.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I want to know how to restore my emails. Using the message import
>>>>> > doesn't
>>>>> > work.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

7547738
07-09-2005, 11:26 PM
"mrd" <mrd@discussions.microsoft.com> 写入消息新闻:94E99A0C-5CFD-41E6-B13E-7BBAE1653CBB@microsoft.com...
> Can SOMEONE actually answer this question without blaming the problem on
> the
> user? I have EXACTLY the same problem - NOT on a network computer, it is
> on
> my home computer. I need some emails I saved in a "kept" folder, but OE6
> won't let me do anything with them after it "helped me" by compacting and
> saving a couple of MB on my 80 GB hard drive.
>
> I want to know how to restore my emails. Using the message import doesn't
> work.
>
> Mark
>
> "Kath Adams" wrote:
>
>> paladin.rithe@gmail.com wrote:
>> > I have an issue with OE6 at work. Our computers are set up with
>> > roaming profiles, including email. The OE6 store directory is the
>> > profile OEStore directory on the server (ie:
>> > //192.168.0.1/profile$/george/OEStore)
>> > Now, I have 2 people with this problem currently, when they close OE6,
>> > it asks if they want to compact the folders. I found that OE6 has a
>> > counter in the registry, and when it gets to 100, it asks this. This
>> > isn't a problem, but it can't compact the folders. It says: "The
>> > folder is currently in use by Outlook Express or by another program."
>> > It says this on every folder, no matter what. Is this because the
>> > store directory is over a network? I should also mention that the
>> > computers are running XP Pro SP2, and the server is 2000 Server. Any
>> > ideas? Thanks.
>> >
>> > Brian
>>
>> The compacting message is by default in Win XP SP2.
>> But...OE is not designed to be used over a network. You would be better
>> off using Outlook.
>> http://www.insideoe.com/faqs/why.htm#network
>>
>> --
>> Kath Adams
>> MS MVP - Windows (IE/OE)
>>
>>
>>

Steve Cochran
07-09-2005, 11:27 PM
I don't know, but I expect there will be a public beta of the new OS prior
to its release in the next year or two. That is typical of what MS has done
in the past.

steve

"Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
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> We'll see what it's like next year I guess.
>
> Alias
> "SgtRich" <UseNewsgroup@NotEmail.invalid> wrote in message
> news:vgs7a114gc9ih71r4o382quj0pmerhre1b@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 5 Jun 2005 13:52:42 +0200, "Alias"
>> <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote:
>>
>>>Will Longhorn have a new email program?
>>>
>> Yes. The mail program that comes with the next version of Windows
>> (codenamed
>> Longhorn) will *not* be called Outlook Express. Microsoft has already
>> stated
>> that. One of the MVP's here also stated, just the other day, that it
>> would
>> use a new format for data files, not .dbx files.
>> --
>> <<<SgtRich>>>
>> Chicago, Illinois, USA
>
>


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