[ilyaz]

For a few last weeks, I'm having a problem with receiving and sending
messages from both EarthLink and Hotmail accounts. Today, I got this two
error messages:

Unable to poll for new messages on your HTTP server. Account: 'Hotmail',
Server: 'http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp', Protocol:
HTTPMail, Server Response: '', Port: 0, Secure(SSL): No, Socket Error:
12007, Error Number: 0x800CCC0D

Header download for the 'Inbox' folder did not complete. Account:
'Hotmail', Server: 'http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp',
Protocol: HTTPMail, Server Response: '', Port: 0, Secure(SSL): No, Socket
Error: 12007, Error Number: 0x800CCC0D

May someone please tell me what they mean and how to fix this problem? What
this Socket Error 12007 is all about?
Thanks for your suggestions.

--
Ilya Zeldes
Fort Myers, Florida

[L.G.]

Hi iyaz , I am in the same situatiuon with the same error as soon that i
have a solution I will posted in the reply.
Look at my post like 10 post behind your so youcan see mine
Thanks and I hope to find a solution.
LG
"ilyaz" <ilyaz33@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uXj1znFaFHA.2308@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> For a few last weeks, I'm having a problem with receiving and sending
> messages from both EarthLink and Hotmail accounts. Today, I got this two
> error messages:
>
> Unable to poll for new messages on your HTTP server. Account: 'Hotmail',
> Server: 'http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp', Protocol:
> HTTPMail, Server Response: '', Port: 0, Secure(SSL): No, Socket Error:
> 12007, Error Number: 0x800CCC0D
>
> Header download for the 'Inbox' folder did not complete. Account:
> 'Hotmail', Server: 'http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp',
> Protocol: HTTPMail, Server Response: '', Port: 0, Secure(SSL): No, Socket
> Error: 12007, Error Number: 0x800CCC0D
>
> May someone please tell me what they mean and how to fix this problem?
> What this Socket Error 12007 is all about?
> Thanks for your suggestions.
>
> --
> Ilya Zeldes
> Fort Myers, Florida
>

[N. Miller]

On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 12:33:18 -0400, ilyaz wrote:

> For a few last weeks, I'm having a problem with receiving and sending
> messages from both EarthLink and Hotmail accounts. Today, I got this two
> error messages:
>
> Unable to poll for new messages on your HTTP server. Account: 'Hotmail',
> Server: 'http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp', Protocol:
> HTTPMail, Server Response: '', Port: 0, Secure(SSL): No, Socket Error:
> 12007, Error Number: 0x800CCC0D
>
> Header download for the 'Inbox' folder did not complete. Account:
> 'Hotmail', Server: 'http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp',
> Protocol: HTTPMail, Server Response: '', Port: 0, Secure(SSL): No, Socket
> Error: 12007, Error Number: 0x800CCC0D
>
> May someone please tell me what they mean and how to fix this problem? What
> this Socket Error 12007 is all about?
> Thanks for your suggestions.

The "Socket Error" probably means some kind of problem with the Hotmail
server causing a connection failure. Too many Hotmail users accessing the
server? Who knows. It appears to be one of those transient problems on the
Hotmail end, and you are not going to be able to fix the problem from your
end. Try again later.

You did not mention your Earthlink account problems so I can't help you
with your Earthlink account.

--
Norman
~Win dain a lotica, En vai tu ri, Si lo ta
~Fin dein a loluca, En dragu a sei lain
~Vi fa-ru les shutai am, En riga-lint

[ilyaz]

Norman,
thanks for your suggestion about my Hotmail account and offer ( I consider
it as an offer) to help with the EarthLink account.
Several days ago, on this board I posted message about my OE problems. There
I described all the troubles I got into after EarthLink changed and upgraded
their server. After some suggestions and some tweaking with OE, I think, I
got EarthLink working. However, the Hotmail stays in the way, interferes and
prevents EarthLink from working properly... EarthLink is my default account.
Nevertheless, when OE opens, it goes to the Hotmail first and stays there
forever. So, I have to fix this bug somehow... Any ideas?
Thanks again.
Ilya

"N. Miller" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:l4z14pgyb5km$.dlg@discussions.microsoft.com...
> On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 12:33:18 -0400, ilyaz wrote:
>
>> For a few last weeks, I'm having a problem with receiving and sending
>> messages from both EarthLink and Hotmail accounts. Today, I got this two
>> error messages:
>>
>> Unable to poll for new messages on your HTTP server. Account: 'Hotmail',
>> Server: 'http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp', Protocol:
>> HTTPMail, Server Response: '', Port: 0, Secure(SSL): No, Socket Error:
>> 12007, Error Number: 0x800CCC0D
>>
>> Header download for the 'Inbox' folder did not complete. Account:
>> 'Hotmail', Server: 'http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp',
>> Protocol: HTTPMail, Server Response: '', Port: 0, Secure(SSL): No, Socket
>> Error: 12007, Error Number: 0x800CCC0D
>>
>> May someone please tell me what they mean and how to fix this problem?
>> What
>> this Socket Error 12007 is all about?
>> Thanks for your suggestions.
>
> The "Socket Error" probably means some kind of problem with the Hotmail
> server causing a connection failure. Too many Hotmail users accessing the
> server? Who knows. It appears to be one of those transient problems on the
> Hotmail end, and you are not going to be able to fix the problem from your
> end. Try again later.
>
> You did not mention your Earthlink account problems so I can't help you
> with your Earthlink account.
>
> --
> Norman
> ~Win dain a lotica, En vai tu ri, Si lo ta
> ~Fin dein a loluca, En dragu a sei lain
> ~Vi fa-ru les shutai am, En riga-lint

[ilyaz]

Thanks, LG. And if I'll get something workable, I'll let you know, too.
IZ

"L.G." <lig1948@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e9Zrl4FaFHA.3384@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Hi iyaz , I am in the same situatiuon with the same error as soon that i
> have a solution I will posted in the reply.
> Look at my post like 10 post behind your so youcan see mine
> Thanks and I hope to find a solution.
> LG
> "ilyaz" <ilyaz33@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:uXj1znFaFHA.2308@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> For a few last weeks, I'm having a problem with receiving and sending
>> messages from both EarthLink and Hotmail accounts. Today, I got this two
>> error messages:
>>
>> Unable to poll for new messages on your HTTP server. Account: 'Hotmail',
>> Server: 'http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp', Protocol:
>> HTTPMail, Server Response: '', Port: 0, Secure(SSL): No, Socket Error:
>> 12007, Error Number: 0x800CCC0D
>>
>> Header download for the 'Inbox' folder did not complete. Account:
>> 'Hotmail', Server: 'http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp',
>> Protocol: HTTPMail, Server Response: '', Port: 0, Secure(SSL): No, Socket
>> Error: 12007, Error Number: 0x800CCC0D
>>
>> May someone please tell me what they mean and how to fix this problem?
>> What this Socket Error 12007 is all about?
>> Thanks for your suggestions.
>>
>> --
>> Ilya Zeldes
>> Fort Myers, Florida
>>
>
>

[Peter Foldes]

Seems to be a server issue. I am getting it also. Wait it out or try later

--
Peter

Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.

"ilyaz" <ilyaz33@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:%23hp1aSHaFHA.2496@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Norman,
> thanks for your suggestion about my Hotmail account and offer ( I consider
> it as an offer) to help with the EarthLink account.
> Several days ago, on this board I posted message about my OE problems. There
> I described all the troubles I got into after EarthLink changed and upgraded
> their server. After some suggestions and some tweaking with OE, I think, I
> got EarthLink working. However, the Hotmail stays in the way, interferes and
> prevents EarthLink from working properly... EarthLink is my default account.
> Nevertheless, when OE opens, it goes to the Hotmail first and stays there
> forever. So, I have to fix this bug somehow... Any ideas?
> Thanks again.
> Ilya
>
> "N. Miller" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:l4z14pgyb5km$.dlg@discussions.microsoft.com...
>> On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 12:33:18 -0400, ilyaz wrote:
>>
>>> For a few last weeks, I'm having a problem with receiving and sending
>>> messages from both EarthLink and Hotmail accounts. Today, I got this two
>>> error messages:
>>>
>>> Unable to poll for new messages on your HTTP server. Account: 'Hotmail',
>>> Server: 'http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp', Protocol:
>>> HTTPMail, Server Response: '', Port: 0, Secure(SSL): No, Socket Error:
>>> 12007, Error Number: 0x800CCC0D
>>>
>>> Header download for the 'Inbox' folder did not complete. Account:
>>> 'Hotmail', Server: 'http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp',
>>> Protocol: HTTPMail, Server Response: '', Port: 0, Secure(SSL): No, Socket
>>> Error: 12007, Error Number: 0x800CCC0D
>>>
>>> May someone please tell me what they mean and how to fix this problem?
>>> What
>>> this Socket Error 12007 is all about?
>>> Thanks for your suggestions.
>>
>> The "Socket Error" probably means some kind of problem with the Hotmail
>> server causing a connection failure. Too many Hotmail users accessing the
>> server? Who knows. It appears to be one of those transient problems on the
>> Hotmail end, and you are not going to be able to fix the problem from your
>> end. Try again later.
>>
>> You did not mention your Earthlink account problems so I can't help you
>> with your Earthlink account.
>>
>> --
>> Norman
>> ~Win dain a lotica, En vai tu ri, Si lo ta
>> ~Fin dein a loluca, En dragu a sei lain
>> ~Vi fa-ru les shutai am, En riga-lint
>
>

[Kath Adams]

A workaround until Hotmail becomes "available" again -
why not create a new identity for your Earthlink account? Then you can
switch between them both. You can use file>import to get your old email
into the new identity, before deleting the Earthlink account from the
old one.
--
Kath Adams
MS MVP - Windows (IE/OE)

ilyaz wrote:
> Norman,
> thanks for your suggestion about my Hotmail account and offer ( I
> consider it as an offer) to help with the EarthLink account.
> Several days ago, on this board I posted message about my OE
> problems. There I described all the troubles I got into after
> EarthLink changed and upgraded their server. After some suggestions
> and some tweaking with OE, I think, I got EarthLink working. However,
> the Hotmail stays in the way, interferes and prevents EarthLink from
> working properly... EarthLink is my default account. Nevertheless,
> when OE opens, it goes to the Hotmail first and stays there forever.
> So, I have to fix this bug somehow... Any ideas? Thanks again.
> Ilya
>
> "N. Miller" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:l4z14pgyb5km$.dlg@discussions.microsoft.com...
>> On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 12:33:18 -0400, ilyaz wrote:
>>
>>> For a few last weeks, I'm having a problem with receiving and
>>> sending messages from both EarthLink and Hotmail accounts. Today, I
>>> got this two error messages:
>>>
>>> Unable to poll for new messages on your HTTP server. Account:
>>> 'Hotmail', Server:
>>> 'http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp', Protocol:
>>> HTTPMail, Server Response: '', Port: 0, Secure(SSL): No, Socket
>>> Error: 12007, Error Number: 0x800CCC0D Header download for the
>>> 'Inbox' folder did not complete. Account:
>>> 'Hotmail', Server:
>>> 'http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp', Protocol:
>>> HTTPMail, Server Response: '', Port: 0, Secure(SSL): No, Socket
>>> Error: 12007, Error Number: 0x800CCC0D May someone please tell me
>>> what they mean and how to fix this
>>> problem? What
>>> this Socket Error 12007 is all about?
>>> Thanks for your suggestions.
>>
>> The "Socket Error" probably means some kind of problem with the
>> Hotmail server causing a connection failure. Too many Hotmail users
>> accessing the server? Who knows. It appears to be one of those
>> transient problems on the Hotmail end, and you are not going to be
>> able to fix the problem from your end. Try again later.
>>
>> You did not mention your Earthlink account problems so I can't help
>> you with your Earthlink account.
>>
>> --
>> Norman
>> ~Win dain a lotica, En vai tu ri, Si lo ta
>> ~Fin dein a loluca, En dragu a sei lain
>> ~Vi fa-ru les shutai am, En riga-lint

[Steve Parry [MVP]]

Peter Foldes fumbled, fiddled and fingered:

> Seems to be a server issue. I am getting it also. Wait it out or try
> later
>

Wierd thing is two of my machines here connect fine but my main one
does'nt ... grrrr .... :)

--
Steve Parry BA (Hons) MCP MVP

http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
http://www.gwynfryn.co.uk

[ilyaz]

Well, I'm afraid, I found the cause of the problem, but, unfortunately,
neither I or you can fix it. Just checked with Microsoft and found that they
changed their policy on free Hotmail accounts. Now, only the paying
customers may access the Hotmail from Outlook and Outlook Express. End of
the story.
Ilya
"ilyaz" <ilyaz33@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uGKsNTHaFHA.3488@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Thanks, LG. And if I'll get something workable, I'll let you know, too.
> IZ
>
> "L.G." <lig1948@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e9Zrl4FaFHA.3384@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> Hi iyaz , I am in the same situatiuon with the same error as soon that i
>> have a solution I will posted in the reply.
>> Look at my post like 10 post behind your so youcan see mine
>> Thanks and I hope to find a solution.
>> LG
>> "ilyaz" <ilyaz33@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:uXj1znFaFHA.2308@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>> For a few last weeks, I'm having a problem with receiving and sending
>>> messages from both EarthLink and Hotmail accounts. Today, I got this two
>>> error messages:
>>>
>>> Unable to poll for new messages on your HTTP server. Account:
>>> 'Hotmail', Server: 'http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp',
>>> Protocol: HTTPMail, Server Response: '', Port: 0, Secure(SSL): No,
>>> Socket Error: 12007, Error Number: 0x800CCC0D
>>>
>>> Header download for the 'Inbox' folder did not complete. Account:
>>> 'Hotmail', Server: 'http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp',
>>> Protocol: HTTPMail, Server Response: '', Port: 0, Secure(SSL): No,
>>> Socket Error: 12007, Error Number: 0x800CCC0D
>>>
>>> May someone please tell me what they mean and how to fix this problem?
>>> What this Socket Error 12007 is all about?
>>> Thanks for your suggestions.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ilya Zeldes
>>> Fort Myers, Florida
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

[ilyaz]

Well, I'm afraid, I found the cause of the problem, but, unfortunately,
neither I or you can fix it. Just checked with Microsoft and found that they
changed their policy on free Hotmail accounts. Now, only the paying
customers may access the Hotmail from Outlook and Outlook Express. End of
the story.
Ilya

"ilyaz" <ilyaz33@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23hp1aSHaFHA.2496@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Norman,
> thanks for your suggestion about my Hotmail account and offer ( I consider
> it as an offer) to help with the EarthLink account.
> Several days ago, on this board I posted message about my OE problems.
> There I described all the troubles I got into after EarthLink changed and
> upgraded their server. After some suggestions and some tweaking with OE, I
> think, I got EarthLink working. However, the Hotmail stays in the way,
> interferes and prevents EarthLink from working properly... EarthLink is my
> default account. Nevertheless, when OE opens, it goes to the Hotmail first
> and stays there forever. So, I have to fix this bug somehow... Any ideas?
> Thanks again.
> Ilya
>
> "N. Miller" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:l4z14pgyb5km$.dlg@discussions.microsoft.com...
>> On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 12:33:18 -0400, ilyaz wrote:
>>
>>> For a few last weeks, I'm having a problem with receiving and sending
>>> messages from both EarthLink and Hotmail accounts. Today, I got this two
>>> error messages:
>>>
>>> Unable to poll for new messages on your HTTP server. Account:
>>> 'Hotmail',
>>> Server: 'http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp', Protocol:
>>> HTTPMail, Server Response: '', Port: 0, Secure(SSL): No, Socket Error:
>>> 12007, Error Number: 0x800CCC0D
>>>
>>> Header download for the 'Inbox' folder did not complete. Account:
>>> 'Hotmail', Server: 'http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp',
>>> Protocol: HTTPMail, Server Response: '', Port: 0, Secure(SSL): No,
>>> Socket
>>> Error: 12007, Error Number: 0x800CCC0D
>>>
>>> May someone please tell me what they mean and how to fix this problem?
>>> What
>>> this Socket Error 12007 is all about?
>>> Thanks for your suggestions.
>>
>> The "Socket Error" probably means some kind of problem with the Hotmail
>> server causing a connection failure. Too many Hotmail users accessing the
>> server? Who knows. It appears to be one of those transient problems on
>> the
>> Hotmail end, and you are not going to be able to fix the problem from
>> your
>> end. Try again later.
>>
>> You did not mention your Earthlink account problems so I can't help you
>> with your Earthlink account.
>>
>> --
>> Norman
>> ~Win dain a lotica, En vai tu ri, Si lo ta
>> ~Fin dein a loluca, En dragu a sei lain
>> ~Vi fa-ru les shutai am, En riga-lint
>
>

[Kath Adams]

Courtesy of N Miller -

1.) Free MSN Hotmail accounts created subsequent to Sept. 24, 2004 can't
be
used with MS Outlook Express.

2.) Free MSN Hotmail accounts created prior to Sept. 24, 2004 can't be
used
with MS Outlook Express.

3.) Free MSN Hotmail accounts created prior to Sept. 24, 2004, and
configured for access with MS Outlook Express prior to Sept. 24, 2004
can
continue to be accessed with MS Outlook Express until MSN decides
otherwise.

4.) All MSN Hotmail Plus accounts, which cost $19.95US per year, can be
configured to use MS Outlook Express.

Kath Adams
MS MVP - Windows (IE/OE)

ilyaz wrote:
> Well, I'm afraid, I found the cause of the problem, but,
> unfortunately, neither I or you can fix it. Just checked with
> Microsoft and found that they changed their policy on free Hotmail
> accounts. Now, only the paying customers may access the Hotmail from
> Outlook and Outlook Express. End of the story.
> Ilya
>
> "ilyaz" <ilyaz33@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:%23hp1aSHaFHA.2496@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> Norman,
>> thanks for your suggestion about my Hotmail account and offer ( I
>> consider it as an offer) to help with the EarthLink account.
>> Several days ago, on this board I posted message about my OE
>> problems. There I described all the troubles I got into after
>> EarthLink changed and upgraded their server. After some suggestions
>> and some tweaking with OE, I think, I got EarthLink working.
>> However, the Hotmail stays in the way, interferes and prevents
>> EarthLink from working properly... EarthLink is my default account.
>> Nevertheless, when OE opens, it goes to the Hotmail first and stays
>> there forever. So, I have to fix this bug somehow... Any ideas?
>> Thanks again. Ilya

[N. Miller]

On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 16:39:48 -0400, ilyaz wrote:

> Well, I'm afraid, I found the cause of the problem, but, unfortunately,
> neither I or you can fix it. Just checked with Microsoft and found that they
> changed their policy on free Hotmail accounts. Now, only the paying
> customers may access the Hotmail from Outlook and Outlook Express. End of
> the story.

Kath has quoted something I posted. There is one minor error, and one
omission. The minor error is actually also an omission.

The error/omission:

Free MSN Hotmail accounts that were not configured for use with MS Outlook
Express prior to Sept. 27, 2004 can't be configured for use with MS Outlook
express.

The omsission:

Free MSN Hotmail accounts which have been allowed to lapse subsequent to
Sept. 27, 2004 can't be configured for use with MS Outlook Express.

The rules for free MSN Hotmail accounts are that you must access the
accounts at least once in a 30-day period to keep them active. I know, by
trial, that letting the account lapse for greater than 90 days will lose
the MSOE access privilege. I suspect, but am not in a position to test
this, than any free account which has gone over 31 days without access will
also lose the MSOE access privilege.

I currently have a free MSN Hotmail account which I have kept active since
well before Sept. 27, 2004, and I can still send and receive email with MS
Outlook Express. I intend to try and keep it so for as long as MSN allows
it. I have a message which states that grandfathered accounts will retain
access; but suspect that access will be lost when the account goes dormant
after 30 days.

--
Norman
~Win dain a lotica, En vai tu ri, Si lo ta
~Fin dein a loluca, En dragu a sei lain
~Vi fa-ru les shutai am, En riga-lint

[PA Bear]

Were you ever able to access the account in OE?

Assuming this is a somewhat new problem, the trouble lies on MSN/Hotmail's
end.

Often just closing and reopening OE will solve the problem...but not today.
I'm getting the same error(s).
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE) & Security

ilyaz wrote:
> For a few last weeks, I'm having a problem with receiving and sending
> messages from both EarthLink and Hotmail accounts. Today, I got this two
> error messages:
>
> Unable to poll for new messages on your HTTP server. Account: 'Hotmail',
> Server: 'http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp', Protocol:
> HTTPMail, Server Response: '', Port: 0, Secure(SSL): No, Socket Error:
> 12007, Error Number: 0x800CCC0D
>
> Header download for the 'Inbox' folder did not complete. Account:
> 'Hotmail', Server: 'http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp',
> Protocol: HTTPMail, Server Response: '', Port: 0, Secure(SSL): No, Socket
> Error: 12007, Error Number: 0x800CCC0D
>
> May someone please tell me what they mean and how to fix this problem?
> What this Socket Error 12007 is all about?
> Thanks for your suggestions.

[Kath Adams]

N. Miller wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 16:39:48 -0400, ilyaz wrote:
>
>> Well, I'm afraid, I found the cause of the problem, but,
>> unfortunately, neither I or you can fix it. Just checked with
>> Microsoft and found that they changed their policy on free Hotmail
>> accounts. Now, only the paying customers may access the Hotmail from
>> Outlook and Outlook Express. End of the story.
>
> Kath has quoted something I posted. There is one minor error, and one
> omission. The minor error is actually also an omission.
>
> The error/omission:
>
> Free MSN Hotmail accounts that were not configured for use with MS
> Outlook Express prior to Sept. 27, 2004 can't be configured for use
> with MS Outlook express.
>
> The omsission:
>
> Free MSN Hotmail accounts which have been allowed to lapse subsequent
> to Sept. 27, 2004 can't be configured for use with MS Outlook Express.
>
> The rules for free MSN Hotmail accounts are that you must access the
> accounts at least once in a 30-day period to keep them active. I
> know, by trial, that letting the account lapse for greater than 90
> days will lose the MSOE access privilege. I suspect, but am not in a
> position to test this, than any free account which has gone over 31
> days without access will also lose the MSOE access privilege.
>
> I currently have a free MSN Hotmail account which I have kept active
> since well before Sept. 27, 2004, and I can still send and receive
> email with MS Outlook Express. I intend to try and keep it so for as
> long as MSN allows it. I have a message which states that
> grandfathered accounts will retain access; but suspect that access
> will be lost when the account goes dormant after 30 days.

Thanks Norman, a keeper.

--
Kath Adams
MS MVP - Windows (IE/OE)

[ilyaz]

Isn't it strange that Microsoft now breaks long standing integration of
its software and restricts users of one program to access the another?
Am I wrong?
Ilya

Kath Adams (nospam) wrote:
> Courtesy of N Miller -
>
> 1.) Free MSN Hotmail accounts created subsequent to Sept. 24, 2004 can't
> be
> used with MS Outlook Express.
>
> 2.) Free MSN Hotmail accounts created prior to Sept. 24, 2004 can't be
> used
> with MS Outlook Express.
>
> 3.) Free MSN Hotmail accounts created prior to Sept. 24, 2004, and
> configured for access with MS Outlook Express prior to Sept. 24, 2004
> can
> continue to be accessed with MS Outlook Express until MSN decides
> otherwise.
>
> 4.) All MSN Hotmail Plus accounts, which cost $19.95US per year, can be
> configured to use MS Outlook Express.
>
> Kath Adams
> MS MVP - Windows (IE/OE)
>
> ilyaz wrote:
> > Well, I'm afraid, I found the cause of the problem, but,
> > unfortunately, neither I or you can fix it. Just checked with
> > Microsoft and found that they changed their policy on free Hotmail
> > accounts. Now, only the paying customers may access the Hotmail from
> > Outlook and Outlook Express. End of the story.
> > Ilya
> >
> > "ilyaz" <ilyaz33@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:%23hp1aSHaFHA.2496@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> >> Norman,
> >> thanks for your suggestion about my Hotmail account and offer ( I
> >> consider it as an offer) to help with the EarthLink account.
> >> Several days ago, on this board I posted message about my OE
> >> problems. There I described all the troubles I got into after
> >> EarthLink changed and upgraded their server. After some suggestions
> >> and some tweaking with OE, I think, I got EarthLink working.
> >> However, the Hotmail stays in the way, interferes and prevents
> >> EarthLink from working properly... EarthLink is my default account.
> >> Nevertheless, when OE opens, it goes to the Hotmail first and stays
> >> there forever. So, I have to fix this bug somehow... Any ideas?
> >> Thanks again. Ilya

[tim]

"ilyaz" wrote:

> For a few last weeks, I'm having a problem with receiving and sending
> messages from both EarthLink and Hotmail accounts. Today, I got this two
> error messages:
>
> Unable to poll for new messages on your HTTP server. Account: 'Hotmail',
> Server: 'http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp', Protocol:
> HTTPMail, Server Response: '', Port: 0, Secure(SSL): No, Socket Error:
> 12007, Error Number: 0x800CCC0D
>
> Header download for the 'Inbox' folder did not complete. Account:
> 'Hotmail', Server: 'http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp',
> Protocol: HTTPMail, Server Response: '', Port: 0, Secure(SSL): No, Socket
> Error: 12007, Error Number: 0x800CCC0D
>
> May someone please tell me what they mean and how to fix this problem? What
> this Socket Error 12007 is all about?
> Thanks for your suggestions.
>
> --
> Ilya Zeldes
> Fort Myers, Florida
>
>
>

[ilyaz]

Kath, I decided to remove Hotmail account from OE. Looks like it solved the
problem. Of course, now I have to use Hotmail on its web site... I guess,
this is what MS wants us to do...
IZ

"Kath Adams" <kathadams@(nospam)mvps.org> wrote in message
news:Ob8GQgHaFHA.2496@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>A workaround until Hotmail becomes "available" again -
> why not create a new identity for your Earthlink account? Then you can
> switch between them both. You can use file>import to get your old email
> into the new identity, before deleting the Earthlink account from the old
> one.
> --
> Kath Adams
> MS MVP - Windows (IE/OE)
>
> ilyaz wrote:
>> Norman,
>> thanks for your suggestion about my Hotmail account and offer ( I
>> consider it as an offer) to help with the EarthLink account.
>> Several days ago, on this board I posted message about my OE
>> problems. There I described all the troubles I got into after
>> EarthLink changed and upgraded their server. After some suggestions
>> and some tweaking with OE, I think, I got EarthLink working. However,
>> the Hotmail stays in the way, interferes and prevents EarthLink from
>> working properly... EarthLink is my default account. Nevertheless,
>> when OE opens, it goes to the Hotmail first and stays there forever.
>> So, I have to fix this bug somehow... Any ideas? Thanks again.
>> Ilya
>>
>> "N. Miller" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:l4z14pgyb5km$.dlg@discussions.microsoft.com...
>>> On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 12:33:18 -0400, ilyaz wrote:
>>>
>>>> For a few last weeks, I'm having a problem with receiving and
>>>> sending messages from both EarthLink and Hotmail accounts. Today, I
>>>> got this two error messages:
>>>>
>>>> Unable to poll for new messages on your HTTP server. Account:
>>>> 'Hotmail', Server:
>>>> 'http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp', Protocol:
>>>> HTTPMail, Server Response: '', Port: 0, Secure(SSL): No, Socket
>>>> Error: 12007, Error Number: 0x800CCC0D Header download for the 'Inbox'
>>>> folder did not complete. Account:
>>>> 'Hotmail', Server:
>>>> 'http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp', Protocol:
>>>> HTTPMail, Server Response: '', Port: 0, Secure(SSL): No, Socket
>>>> Error: 12007, Error Number: 0x800CCC0D May someone please tell me what
>>>> they mean and how to fix this
>>>> problem? What
>>>> this Socket Error 12007 is all about?
>>>> Thanks for your suggestions.
>>>
>>> The "Socket Error" probably means some kind of problem with the
>>> Hotmail server causing a connection failure. Too many Hotmail users
>>> accessing the server? Who knows. It appears to be one of those
>>> transient problems on the Hotmail end, and you are not going to be
>>> able to fix the problem from your end. Try again later.
>>>
>>> You did not mention your Earthlink account problems so I can't help
>>> you with your Earthlink account.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Norman
>>> ~Win dain a lotica, En vai tu ri, Si lo ta
>>> ~Fin dein a loluca, En dragu a sei lain
>>> ~Vi fa-ru les shutai am, En riga-lint
>
>

[N. Miller]

On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 01:14:03 -0400, ilyaz wrote:

> Kath, I decided to remove Hotmail account from OE. Looks like it solved the
> problem. Of course, now I have to use Hotmail on its web site... I guess,
> this is what MS wants us to do...

The problem is with spammer abuse of the Hotmail WebDAV servers; the ones
which pick up the email submissions and pass them to the Hotmail MTAs. MSN
apparently has been unable to find a fix for the problem. When the spammers
gain access to the WebDAV servers, spam from MSN Hotmail MTAs causes them
(the MTAs) to be blocked.

Apparently, MSN finally decided that the easiest way to fight that problem
is by requiring a paid account for access from MSOE. By that method they
can kill the abusive paid account, and even keep the money, if the account
is killed before the paid period expires.

I think that MSN figured out that long time users of free MSN Hotmail
accounts are unlikely to be spammers. Had those accounts been used for
spamming, they would have been killed by now. The number is probably
statistically small, and thus worth the risk to allow them to continue as
before.

--
Norman
~Win dain a lotica, En vai tu ri, Si lo ta
~Fin dein a loluca, En dragu a sei lain
~Vi fa-ru les shutai am, En riga-lint

[tim]

Hi, Ilya Zeldes from Fort Myers

I too was having the same problem, I called my ISP Verizon, and they told me
that it waa a software issue with Outlook. As usual, they were wrong. It is
not a software issue with Outlook, but a software issue with Norton
Anit-Virus. Turn off you email protection and no more error messages. The old
rule of thumb applies here: If you don't know who your email is from, don't
open it. I hope this helps you.

Tim from Tampa

[ilyaz]

Tim,
thanks for the suggestion, However, I have no Norton. I removed it long
ago...
Ilya

"tim" <tim@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:7ABDF89C-3B77-4F3D-8A94-ACF33672F346@microsoft.com...
> Hi, Ilya Zeldes from Fort Myers
>
> I too was having the same problem, I called my ISP Verizon, and they told
> me
> that it waa a software issue with Outlook. As usual, they were wrong. It
> is
> not a software issue with Outlook, but a software issue with Norton
> Anit-Virus. Turn off you email protection and no more error messages. The
> old
> rule of thumb applies here: If you don't know who your email is from,
> don't
> open it. I hope this helps you.
>
> Tim from Tampa

[Shannon Jacobs]

N. Miller wrote:
<snip>
> The error/omission:
>
> Free MSN Hotmail accounts that were not configured for use with MS
> Outlook Express prior to Sept. 27, 2004 can't be configured for use
> with MS Outlook express.
>
> The omission:
>
> Free MSN Hotmail accounts which have been allowed to lapse subsequent
> to Sept. 27, 2004 can't be configured for use with MS Outlook Express.

This is still not clear about what "dormant" means. Checking via OE will
keep it active? Receiving a message via OE is required? Or maybe you have to
send one? Or do you need to use the Web site at least once a month? Whatever
the case, they are making it such a bother that it scarcely seems to be
worth keeping the account--but maybe that's their real but secret intention,
like the secret lobotomy they gave to the "free support" of the MVP program.

Anyway, if Microsoft is trying to sell hotmail accounts, they are going
about it in a very funny fashion. If they are trying to demonstrate their
superior server capabilities and low, low "costs of ownership", then it's
even funnier.

Is Microsoft really so hard up for computing resources? Or maybe they've
just been overwhelmed by the spam?