[Jeff Needle]

Hello all. I wonder if someone can direct me to some help I desperately
need.

I downloaded a program called Outlook Express Backup Free last night.
It's supposed to back up all your OE mailboxes. When I ran the program,
it supposedly backed up all my files in less than a second, impossible
given the amount of mail I save.

When I went to re-start OE, everything was gone!! No address book, no
settings, no nothing, as if I'd just bought the computer.

I've asked the company that wrote the backup program if this is a problem
with their software; they don't think it is. Could I have blown a
registry value somewhere? Has this ever happened to anyone else?

I use WinXP Home Edition on a Dell Desktop, and I have OE6.

Thanks.



--
------------------------------
Jeffrey Needle
jeff.needle@general-net.com
jeff.needle@hotpop.com

[mac]

"Jeff Needle" <jeff.needle@general-net.com> wrote in message
news:op.srq4yijt3r2ov4@d9ns6561...
Hello all. I wonder if someone can direct me to some help I desperately
need.

I downloaded a program called Outlook Express Backup Free last night.
It's supposed to back up all your OE mailboxes. When I ran the program,
it supposedly backed up all my files in less than a second, impossible
given the amount of mail I save.

When I went to re-start OE, everything was gone!! No address book, no
settings, no nothing, as if I'd just bought the computer.

I've asked the company that wrote the backup program if this is a problem
with their software; they don't think it is. Could I have blown a
registry value somewhere? Has this ever happened to anyone else?

I use WinXP Home Edition on a Dell Desktop, and I have OE6.

Thanks.

The owner of that program posts here.

First off, check to see if you have maybe created a new identity somehow?
OE>file>identities>manage identities.
If so switch back.

Search all files for:
*.dbx, to see if the files still exist.
use the more advanced options in XP to search for hidden files.

See:
Messages in Inbox or other mail folders disappear
http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/problems/bugs.htm#mailgone


--
Regards Steve.
MS-MVP. IE/OE.

[\x@y\]

Hi Jeff,

I never had such a disaster, on my System,
The only thing I can suggest, first I would send
"Outlook Express Backup Free" to the Recycle Bin.

Then I would try to System Restore to a date before
the disaster. Not sure it will work, maybe worth a try.

Thanks for the Eye opener.
Good Luck, x@y.


"Jeff Needle" <jeff.needle@general-net.com> wrote in message ..
Hello all. I wonder if someone can direct me to some help I desperately
need.

I downloaded a program called Outlook Express Backup Free last night.
It's supposed to back up all your OE mailboxes. When I ran the program,
it supposedly backed up all my files in less than a second, impossible
given the amount of mail I save.

When I went to re-start OE, everything was gone!! No address book, no
settings, no nothing, as if I'd just bought the computer.

I've asked the company that wrote the backup program if this is a problem
with their software; they don't think it is. Could I have blown a
registry value somewhere? Has this ever happened to anyone else?

I use WinXP Home Edition on a Dell Desktop, and I have OE6.

Thanks.



--
------------------------------
Jeffrey Needle
jeff.needle@general-net.com
jeff.needle@hotpop.com

[mac]

" mac" <macknever@fsmail.net> wrote in message
news:O$LA$p5ZFHA.3784@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...

> The owner of that program posts here.

No they don't - mix up!!

--
Regards Steve.
MS-MVP. IE/OE.

[Jeff Needle]

On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 10:42:49 -0700, mac <macknever@fsmail.net> wrote:

>
> The owner of that program posts here.
>

Yes, I've sent off an e-mail to him, and he's been very nice so far. I
thought this newsgroup might be a place for additional help.


> First off, check to see if you have maybe created a new identity somehow?
> OE>file>identities>manage identities.
> If so switch back.
>


Nope.



> Search all files for:
> *.dbx, to see if the files still exist.
> use the more advanced options in XP to search for hidden files.
>


Hey! The files are there -- hidden! No wonder I didn't find them the
first time I looked for them.

Now, how to get it all hooked up again.

Thanks so much, looking forward to a permanent resolution to the problem..


--
------------------------------
Jeffrey Needle
jeff.needle@general-net.com
jeff.needle@hotpop.com

[Jeff Needle]

On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 10:59:05 -0700, "x@y" <retired@home.active> wrote:

>
> Hi Jeff,
>
> I never had such a disaster, on my System,
> The only thing I can suggest, first I would send "Outlook Express Backup
> Free" to the Recycle Bin.
>


Ha! Already done that.




> Then I would try to System Restore to a date before
> the disaster. Not sure it will work, maybe worth a try.
>
> Thanks for the Eye opener.
> Good Luck, x@y.
>


Now that I know the files are still extant, I'm going to hold off to see
if I can't get back the files as they were.

Yes, this backup program may or may not have been the problem. I don't
know. In any event, it only backs up mailboxes, not registry entries,
address books, etc.

I did download, some time ago, a program called Outlook Express Freebie
Backup. I found it so convoluted, I just stopped using it.

Thanks!




--
------------------------------
Jeffrey Needle
jeff.needle@general-net.com
jeff.needle@hotpop.com

[Kath Adams]

Jeff Needle wrote:
> On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 10:59:05 -0700, "x@y" <retired@home.active> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>> I never had such a disaster, on my System,
>> The only thing I can suggest, first I would send "Outlook Express
>> Backup Free" to the Recycle Bin.
>>
>
>
> Ha! Already done that.
>
>
>
>
>> Then I would try to System Restore to a date before
>> the disaster. Not sure it will work, maybe worth a try.
>>
>> Thanks for the Eye opener.
>> Good Luck, x@y.
>>
>
>
> Now that I know the files are still extant, I'm going to hold off to
> see if I can't get back the files as they were.
>
> Yes, this backup program may or may not have been the problem. I
> don't know. In any event, it only backs up mailboxes, not registry
> entries, address books, etc.
>
> I did download, some time ago, a program called Outlook Express
> Freebie Backup. I found it so convoluted, I just stopped using it.
>
> Thanks!

You don't need any program, and can do it all manually if you so wish,
including registry, rules and wab.
http://www.insideoe.com/backup/clone.htm
--
Kath Adams
MS MVP - Windows (IE/OE)

[Jeff Needle]

Thanks. I'll save these instructions. I appreciate it.

>
> You don't need any program, and can do it all manually if you so wish,
> including registry, rules and wab.
> http://www.insideoe.com/backup/clone.htm



--
------------------------------
Jeffrey Needle
jeff.needle@general-net.com
jeff.needle@hotpop.com

[Jeff Needle]

Okay, I think I may have more insight on what I've done. I hope it's
fixable.

I mentioned a program called Outlook Express Freebie Backup. It's the one
that was too convoluted for me to figure out, not the one I suspected
caused the problem. In that program, they use "Identities" as a way to
identify configurations. In a fit of frustration with the program, I
deleted all of ITS identities. Do you suppose this could have deleted the
registry entries for Outlook Express? I did get a message box indicating
it would erase registry entries, but the implication was that this only
applied to the backup program itself.

Does anyone here have any experience with this program?

Thanks again.


--
------------------------------
Jeffrey Needle
jeff.needle@general-net.com
jeff.needle@hotpop.com

[Jeff Needle]

Success!!!!!

Here's what I did:

Since that OE Freebie Backup program claimed to back up registry entries
as well as everything else you need for OE, I looked into the CD I used as
a backup device. I found three or four files containing registry
entries. By double-clicking them, the registry entries were restored --
may mail and newsgroups are back!!!!

Thanks so much to everyone who helped with this -- I really appreciate
it. I apologize for all the extra work I put you through.

Best.


On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 16:16:28 -0700, Jeff Needle
<jeff.needle@general-net.com> wrote:

> Okay, I think I may have more insight on what I've done. I hope it's
> fixable.
>
> I mentioned a program called Outlook Express Freebie Backup. It's the
> one that was too convoluted for me to figure out, not the one I
> suspected caused the problem. In that program, they use "Identities" as
> a way to identify configurations. In a fit of frustration with the
> program, I deleted all of ITS identities. Do you suppose this could
> have deleted the registry entries for Outlook Express? I did get a
> message box indicating it would erase registry entries, but the
> implication was that this only applied to the backup program itself.
>
> Does anyone here have any experience with this program?
>
> Thanks again.
>
>



--
------------------------------
Jeffrey Needle
jeff.needle@general-net.com
jeff.needle@hotpop.com

[mac]

"Jeff Needle" <jeff.needle@general-net.com> wrote in message
news:op.srrmxqap3r2ov4@d9ns6561...
Okay, I think I may have more insight on what I've done. I hope it's
fixable.

I mentioned a program called Outlook Express Freebie Backup.
----------
No, you mentioned "Outlook Express Backup Free".
You confused me earlier with that!!!
------------
It's the one
that was too convoluted for me to figure out, not the one I suspected
caused the problem. In that program, they use "Identities" as a way to
identify configurations.

------------------
You said:
"Yes, this backup program may or may not have been the problem. I don't
know. In any event, it only backs up mailboxes, not registry entries,
address books, etc".
----------------

In a fit of frustration with the program, I
deleted all of ITS identities.

Do you suppose this could have deleted the
registry entries for Outlook Express?

I did get a message box indicating
it would erase registry entries, but the implication was that this only
applied to the backup program itself.

Does anyone here have any experience with this program?
--------------
No idea what caused it Jeff?
-----------------
You said:

Yes, I've sent off an e-mail to him, and he's been very nice so far.

Please post 'his' address, this will give us an indication of which program
you *really* used?
--
Regards Steve.
MS-MVP. IE/OE.

[mac]

"Jeff Needle" <jeff.needle@general-net.com> wrote in message
news:op.srrn3pnq3r2ov4@d9ns6561...
Success!!!!!

Pleased for you Jeff,

I just spent 10 minutes re-reading and composing a response.
Only to read this ---------- Grrrrrrrrrrrrr
Good night - take care.

--
Regards Steve.
MS-MVP. IE/OE.

[PA Bear]

MVP Majik's OE Freebie Backup (OEFB) and "Outlook Express Backup Free" are
not the same applications. Majik frequents this newsgroup. OE Freebie
Backup was taken offline on 09 Dec-2004 and was replaced with OE Quick
Backup (OEQB): http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/Default.aspx.

Now, which application seemed to have caused your problem, please?

OE uses Identities to store your data:
http://www.insideoe.com/files/store.htm#storemain
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE) & Security


Jeff Needle wrote:
> Okay, I think I may have more insight on what I've done. I hope it's
> fixable.
>
> I mentioned a program called Outlook Express Freebie Backup. It's the one
> that was too convoluted for me to figure out, not the one I suspected
> caused the problem. In that program, they use "Identities" as a way to
> identify configurations. In a fit of frustration with the program, I
> deleted all of ITS identities. Do you suppose this could have deleted the
> registry entries for Outlook Express? I did get a message box indicating
> it would erase registry entries, but the implication was that this only
> applied to the backup program itself.
>
> Does anyone here have any experience with this program?
>
> Thanks again.

[Alias]

Sounds to me like he did a restore with the Freebie program without a back
up in the target folder.

Alias

"PA Bear" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:OcESQm9ZFHA.3040@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> MVP Majik's OE Freebie Backup (OEFB) and "Outlook Express Backup Free" are
> not the same applications. Majik frequents this newsgroup. OE Freebie
> Backup was taken offline on 09 Dec-2004 and was replaced with OE Quick
> Backup (OEQB): http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/Default.aspx.
>
> Now, which application seemed to have caused your problem, please?
>
> OE uses Identities to store your data:
> http://www.insideoe.com/files/store.htm#storemain
> --
> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE) & Security
>
>
> Jeff Needle wrote:
>> Okay, I think I may have more insight on what I've done. I hope it's
>> fixable.
>>
>> I mentioned a program called Outlook Express Freebie Backup. It's the
>> one
>> that was too convoluted for me to figure out, not the one I suspected
>> caused the problem. In that program, they use "Identities" as a way to
>> identify configurations. In a fit of frustration with the program, I
>> deleted all of ITS identities. Do you suppose this could have deleted
>> the
>> registry entries for Outlook Express? I did get a message box indicating
>> it would erase registry entries, but the implication was that this only
>> applied to the backup program itself.
>>
>> Does anyone here have any experience with this program?
>>
>> Thanks again.
>

[DGuess]

Where did you download this "Outlook Express Backup Free"?

Outlook Express Quick Backup will not back up anything till a backup folder
is set. It HAS to have a location to put the files. It also does not delete
anything as there is nothing in the code set to delete anything anywhere.
Outlook Express Freebie Backup, not been online in sometime, does have the
ability to delete but you are warned with a msgbox first as well as a
warning on the form and then followed up by another Are you sure?. So there
are three places that you would note that you are doing something like
deleting and it's asking you for certain you want to do that. If someone
gets by that far and doesn't then realize they're deleting something, they
best leave it to someone else to do the work. In either of the backup
sections of the code, there is nothing there to tell anything to delete
anything. If something is deleted, you have to work to get to it to delete
it. That was by design. Just backing up will not delete anything. It can't.

You say in another post that you sent email to the person and they have been
nice so far. Well, so far that hasn't been me as I've gotten no emails from
you nor had contact with you.

In another post you say OEFB.... "In that program, they use "Identities" as
a way to identify configurations". Sorry but it's OE that uses Identities,
not OEFB.

I've gotten several emails from people telling me that someone has posted my
program deleted their registry and mail settings. Robear was one and the
others used munged up addresses so the reply was returned. And by the looks
of it, it's starting to snowball as I can see other emails along the same
line. Thats all I need is someone else's program screwing up things and I
get the blame.

So, I ask you, what was the web site you downloaded the other program and
who did you have contact with? It apparently wasn't Steve's web site which
hosts the program and email hasn't been sent to me from you.



"Jeff Needle" <jeff.needle@general-net.com> wrote in message
news:op.srq4yijt3r2ov4@d9ns6561...
Hello all. I wonder if someone can direct me to some help I desperately
need.

I downloaded a program called Outlook Express Backup Free last night.
It's supposed to back up all your OE mailboxes. When I ran the program,
it supposedly backed up all my files in less than a second, impossible
given the amount of mail I save.

When I went to re-start OE, everything was gone!! No address book, no
settings, no nothing, as if I'd just bought the computer.

I've asked the company that wrote the backup program if this is a problem
with their software; they don't think it is. Could I have blown a
registry value somewhere? Has this ever happened to anyone else?

I use WinXP Home Edition on a Dell Desktop, and I have OE6.

[Jeff Needle]

I'm sorry about that! I'm still learning so much about all this, and I've
been doing this for years. It seems there's something hidden behind the
doors of every Microsoft program.

Best.



" mac" <macknever@fsmail.net> wrote in message
news:ewPTB68ZFHA.1404@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>
> "Jeff Needle" <jeff.needle@general-net.com> wrote in message
> news:op.srrn3pnq3r2ov4@d9ns6561...
> Success!!!!!
>
> Pleased for you Jeff,
>
> I just spent 10 minutes re-reading and composing a response.
> Only to read this ---------- Grrrrrrrrrrrrr
> Good night - take care.
>
> --
> Regards Steve.
> MS-MVP. IE/OE.
>

[Jeff Needle]

I posted the link in another response.

The response I got was from matthew@staticbackup.com, the company that makes
Outlook Express Backup Free.

Thanks.

"DGuess" <majik@mindspring.oops> wrote in message
news:OjOD2F%23ZFHA.2756@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Where did you download this "Outlook Express Backup Free"?
>
> Outlook Express Quick Backup will not back up anything till a backup
> folder is set. It HAS to have a location to put the files. It also does
> not delete anything as there is nothing in the code set to delete anything
> anywhere. Outlook Express Freebie Backup, not been online in sometime,
> does have the ability to delete but you are warned with a msgbox first as
> well as a warning on the form and then followed up by another Are you
> sure?. So there are three places that you would note that you are doing
> something like deleting and it's asking you for certain you want to do
> that. If someone gets by that far and doesn't then realize they're
> deleting something, they best leave it to someone else to do the work. In
> either of the backup sections of the code, there is nothing there to tell
> anything to delete anything. If something is deleted, you have to work to
> get to it to delete it. That was by design. Just backing up will not
> delete anything. It can't.
>
> You say in another post that you sent email to the person and they have
> been nice so far. Well, so far that hasn't been me as I've gotten no
> emails from you nor had contact with you.
>
> In another post you say OEFB.... "In that program, they use "Identities"
> as a way to identify configurations". Sorry but it's OE that uses
> Identities, not OEFB.
>
> I've gotten several emails from people telling me that someone has posted
> my program deleted their registry and mail settings. Robear was one and
> the others used munged up addresses so the reply was returned. And by the
> looks of it, it's starting to snowball as I can see other emails along the
> same line. Thats all I need is someone else's program screwing up things
> and I get the blame.
>
> So, I ask you, what was the web site you downloaded the other program and
> who did you have contact with? It apparently wasn't Steve's web site which
> hosts the program and email hasn't been sent to me from you.
>
>
>
> "Jeff Needle" <jeff.needle@general-net.com> wrote in message
> news:op.srq4yijt3r2ov4@d9ns6561...
> Hello all. I wonder if someone can direct me to some help I desperately
> need.
>
> I downloaded a program called Outlook Express Backup Free last night.
> It's supposed to back up all your OE mailboxes. When I ran the program,
> it supposedly backed up all my files in less than a second, impossible
> given the amount of mail I save.
>
> When I went to re-start OE, everything was gone!! No address book, no
> settings, no nothing, as if I'd just bought the computer.
>
> I've asked the company that wrote the backup program if this is a problem
> with their software; they don't think it is. Could I have blown a
> registry value somewhere? Has this ever happened to anyone else?
>
> I use WinXP Home Edition on a Dell Desktop, and I have OE6.
>
>
>
>

[DGuess]

Maybe that will get stop some from confusing my program with theirs and stop
the freaking out.



"Jeff Needle" <jeff.needle@general-net.com> wrote in message
news:119vh5sl54810f4@corp.supernews.com...
>I posted the link in another response.
>
> The response I got was from matthew@staticbackup.com, the company that
> makes Outlook Express Backup Free.
>
> Thanks.
>
> "DGuess" <majik@mindspring.oops> wrote in message
> news:OjOD2F%23ZFHA.2756@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> Where did you download this "Outlook Express Backup Free"?
>>
>> Outlook Express Quick Backup will not back up anything till a backup
>> folder is set. It HAS to have a location to put the files. It also does
>> not delete anything as there is nothing in the code set to delete
>> anything anywhere. Outlook Express Freebie Backup, not been online in
>> sometime, does have the ability to delete but you are warned with a
>> msgbox first as well as a warning on the form and then followed up by
>> another Are you sure?. So there are three places that you would note that
>> you are doing something like deleting and it's asking you for certain you
>> want to do that. If someone gets by that far and doesn't then realize
>> they're deleting something, they best leave it to someone else to do the
>> work. In either of the backup sections of the code, there is nothing
>> there to tell anything to delete anything. If something is deleted, you
>> have to work to get to it to delete it. That was by design. Just backing
>> up will not delete anything. It can't.
>>
>> You say in another post that you sent email to the person and they have
>> been nice so far. Well, so far that hasn't been me as I've gotten no
>> emails from you nor had contact with you.
>>
>> In another post you say OEFB.... "In that program, they use "Identities"
>> as a way to identify configurations". Sorry but it's OE that uses
>> Identities, not OEFB.
>>
>> I've gotten several emails from people telling me that someone has posted
>> my program deleted their registry and mail settings. Robear was one and
>> the others used munged up addresses so the reply was returned. And by the
>> looks of it, it's starting to snowball as I can see other emails along
>> the same line. Thats all I need is someone else's program screwing up
>> things and I get the blame.
>>
>> So, I ask you, what was the web site you downloaded the other program and
>> who did you have contact with? It apparently wasn't Steve's web site
>> which hosts the program and email hasn't been sent to me from you.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Jeff Needle" <jeff.needle@general-net.com> wrote in message
>> news:op.srq4yijt3r2ov4@d9ns6561...
>> Hello all. I wonder if someone can direct me to some help I desperately
>> need.
>>
>> I downloaded a program called Outlook Express Backup Free last night.
>> It's supposed to back up all your OE mailboxes. When I ran the program,
>> it supposedly backed up all my files in less than a second, impossible
>> given the amount of mail I save.
>>
>> When I went to re-start OE, everything was gone!! No address book, no
>> settings, no nothing, as if I'd just bought the computer.
>>
>> I've asked the company that wrote the backup program if this is a problem
>> with their software; they don't think it is. Could I have blown a
>> registry value somewhere? Has this ever happened to anyone else?
>>
>> I use WinXP Home Edition on a Dell Desktop, and I have OE6.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

[PA Bear]

> I posted the link in another response.

Nope, but I have found...

Outlook Express Backup Plus - Most populer backup software to create backup
copies of Outlook Express email database. StaticBackup Inc.:
http://www.staticbackup.com/

Just to set the record clear, neither of Majik's applications (OEFB, OEQB)
was the backup utility you used and which caused you to lose or misplace
data, correct?
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE) & Security

Jeff Needle wrote:
> I posted the link in another response.
>
> The response I got was from matthew@staticbackup.com, the company that
> makes Outlook Express Backup Free.
>
> Thanks.
>
> "DGuess" <majik@mindspring.oops> wrote in message
> news:OjOD2F%23ZFHA.2756@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > Where did you download this "Outlook Express Backup Free"?
> >
> > Outlook Express Quick Backup will not back up anything till a backup
> > folder is set. It HAS to have a location to put the files. It also does
> > not delete anything as there is nothing in the code set to delete
> > anything anywhere. Outlook Express Freebie Backup, not been online in
> > sometime, does have the ability to delete but you are warned with a
> > msgbox first as well as a warning on the form and then followed up by
> > another Are you sure?. So there are three places that you would note
> > that you are doing something like deleting and it's asking you for
> > certain you want to do that. If someone gets by that far and doesn't
> > then realize they're deleting something, they best leave it to someone
> > else to do the work. In either of the backup sections of the code,
> > there is nothing there to tell anything to delete anything. If
> > something is deleted, you have to work to get to it to delete it. That
> > was by design. Just backing up will not delete anything. It can't.
> >
> > You say in another post that you sent email to the person and they have
> > been nice so far. Well, so far that hasn't been me as I've gotten no
> > emails from you nor had contact with you.
> >
> > In another post you say OEFB.... "In that program, they use
> > "Identities" as a way to identify configurations". Sorry but it's OE
> > that uses Identities, not OEFB.
> >
> > I've gotten several emails from people telling me that someone has
> > posted my program deleted their registry and mail settings. Robear was
> > one and the others used munged up addresses so the reply was returned.
> > And by the looks of it, it's starting to snowball as I can see other
> > emails along the same line. Thats all I need is someone else's program
> > screwing up things and I get the blame.
> >
> > So, I ask you, what was the web site you downloaded the other program
> > and who did you have contact with? It apparently wasn't Steve's web
> > site which hosts the program and email hasn't been sent to me from you.
> >
> >
> >
> > "Jeff Needle" <jeff.needle@general-net.com> wrote in message
> > news:op.srq4yijt3r2ov4@d9ns6561...
> > Hello all. I wonder if someone can direct me to some help I desperately
> > need.
> >
> > I downloaded a program called Outlook Express Backup Free last night.
> > It's supposed to back up all your OE mailboxes. When I ran the program,
> > it supposedly backed up all my files in less than a second, impossible
> > given the amount of mail I save.
> >
> > When I went to re-start OE, everything was gone!! No address book, no
> > settings, no nothing, as if I'd just bought the computer.
> >
> > I've asked the company that wrote the backup program if this is a
> > problem with their software; they don't think it is. Could I have
> > blown a registry value somewhere? Has this ever happened to anyone
> > else? I use WinXP Home Edition on a Dell Desktop, and I have OE6.

[Jeff Needle]

"PA Bear" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e0Tw3j%23ZFHA.1412@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> I posted the link in another response.
>
> Nope, but I have found...
>
> Outlook Express Backup Plus - Most populer backup software to create
> backup copies of Outlook Express email database. StaticBackup Inc.:
> http://www.staticbackup.com/
>
> Just to set the record clear, neither of Majik's applications (OEFB, OEQB)
> was the backup utility you used and which caused you to lose or misplace
> data, correct?
> --
> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE) & Security
>

Almost. It was my misuse of OE Freebie Backup that caused the problem, it
seems. I just downloaded the Quick Backup program from the same site, and
it seems so much easier. I'm really glad to have it.

Best I could tell, when I erased Identities from OE Freebie Backup, those
same identities disappeared from OE. I'm not smart enough to know if that's
really what happened. But all is well now.

[Steve Cochran]

"Jeff Needle" <jeff.needle@general-net.com> wrote in message
news:119vl8a2fruvo12@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "PA Bear" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e0Tw3j%23ZFHA.1412@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>> I posted the link in another response.
>>
>> Nope, but I have found...
>>
>> Outlook Express Backup Plus - Most populer backup software to create
>> backup copies of Outlook Express email database. StaticBackup Inc.:
>> http://www.staticbackup.com/
>>
>> Just to set the record clear, neither of Majik's applications (OEFB,
>> OEQB) was the backup utility you used and which caused you to lose or
>> misplace data, correct?
>> --
>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>> MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE) & Security
>>
>
> Almost. It was my misuse of OE Freebie Backup that caused the problem, it
> seems. I just downloaded the Quick Backup program from the same site, and
> it seems so much easier. I'm really glad to have it.
>
> Best I could tell, when I erased Identities from OE Freebie Backup, those
> same identities disappeared from OE. I'm not smart enough to know if
> that's really what happened. But all is well now.
>

That is not what happened. Just deleting the backed up identities does not
affect the current identities. You did something else to mess up the
message store and registry. It was NOT Majik's program.

And the above authors' claims that their program is the "Most populer [sic]
backup software" is horse feces.

steve


steve

>

[Kath Adams]

Steve Cochran wrote:
> "Jeff Needle" <jeff.needle@general-net.com> wrote in message
> news:119vl8a2fruvo12@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>> "PA Bear" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:e0Tw3j%23ZFHA.1412@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>>> I posted the link in another response.
>>>
>>> Nope, but I have found...
>>>
>>> Outlook Express Backup Plus - Most populer backup software to create
>>> backup copies of Outlook Express email database. StaticBackup Inc.:
>>> http://www.staticbackup.com/
>>>
>>> Just to set the record clear, neither of Majik's applications (OEFB,
>>> OEQB) was the backup utility you used and which caused you to lose
>>> or misplace data, correct?
>>> --
>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>>> MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE) & Security
>>>
>>
>> Almost. It was my misuse of OE Freebie Backup that caused the
>> problem, it seems. I just downloaded the Quick Backup program from
>> the same site, and it seems so much easier. I'm really glad to have
>> it.
>>
>> Best I could tell, when I erased Identities from OE Freebie Backup,
>> those same identities disappeared from OE. I'm not smart enough to
>> know if that's really what happened. But all is well now.
>>
>
> That is not what happened. Just deleting the backed up identities
> does not affect the current identities. You did something else to
> mess up the message store and registry. It was NOT Majik's program.
>
> And the above authors' claims that their program is the "Most populer
> [sic] backup software" is horse feces.
>
> steve
>
>
> steve

Just had a look at the website for the above. Grammar/spelling leaves a
lot to be desired and would immediately put me off using anything from
there.

--
Kath Adams
MS MVP - Windows (IE/OE)

[Steve Cochran]

"Kath Adams" <kathadams@(nospam)mvps.org> wrote in message
news:uZ34bmDaFHA.2664@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> Steve Cochran wrote:
>> "Jeff Needle" <jeff.needle@general-net.com> wrote in message
>> news:119vl8a2fruvo12@corp.supernews.com...
>>>
>>> "PA Bear" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:e0Tw3j%23ZFHA.1412@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>>>> I posted the link in another response.
>>>>
>>>> Nope, but I have found...
>>>>
>>>> Outlook Express Backup Plus - Most populer backup software to create
>>>> backup copies of Outlook Express email database. StaticBackup Inc.:
>>>> http://www.staticbackup.com/
>>>>
>>>> Just to set the record clear, neither of Majik's applications (OEFB,
>>>> OEQB) was the backup utility you used and which caused you to lose
>>>> or misplace data, correct?
>>>> --
>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>>>> MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE) & Security
>>>>
>>>
>>> Almost. It was my misuse of OE Freebie Backup that caused the
>>> problem, it seems. I just downloaded the Quick Backup program from
>>> the same site, and it seems so much easier. I'm really glad to have
>>> it.
>>>
>>> Best I could tell, when I erased Identities from OE Freebie Backup,
>>> those same identities disappeared from OE. I'm not smart enough to
>>> know if that's really what happened. But all is well now.
>>>
>>
>> That is not what happened. Just deleting the backed up identities
>> does not affect the current identities. You did something else to
>> mess up the message store and registry. It was NOT Majik's program.
>>
>> And the above authors' claims that their program is the "Most populer
>> [sic] backup software" is horse feces.
>>
>> steve
>>
>>
>> steve
>
> Just had a look at the website for the above. Grammar/spelling leaves a
> lot to be desired and would immediately put me off using anything from
> there.
>

Well, I wish I could speak Chinese as well as he does English. A Whois
lookup indicates such.

At any rate, it was not Majik's program that caused any problems.

steve


> --
> Kath Adams
> MS MVP - Windows (IE/OE)
>

[Steve Cochran]

Let's be perfectly clear here. The program referred to below was NOT
Majik's (David Guess's) programs available at www.oehelp.com.


Stephen L. Cochran, Ph.D.

MS-MVP
Windows IE / OE

www.oehelp.com


"Jeff Needle" <jeff.needle@general-net.com> wrote in message
news:op.srq4yijt3r2ov4@d9ns6561...
Hello all. I wonder if someone can direct me to some help I desperately
need.

I downloaded a program called Outlook Express Backup Free last night.
It's supposed to back up all your OE mailboxes. When I ran the program,
it supposedly backed up all my files in less than a second, impossible
given the amount of mail I save.

When I went to re-start OE, everything was gone!! No address book, no
settings, no nothing, as if I'd just bought the computer.

I've asked the company that wrote the backup program if this is a problem
with their software; they don't think it is. Could I have blown a
registry value somewhere? Has this ever happened to anyone else?

I use WinXP Home Edition on a Dell Desktop, and I have OE6.

Thanks.



--
------------------------------
Jeffrey Needle
jeff.needle@general-net.com
jeff.needle@hotpop.com

[Jeff Needle]

"Steve Cochran" <scochran@oehelp.com> wrote in message
news:%23r8D3bDaFHA.3488@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>
> "Jeff Needle" <jeff.needle@general-net.com> wrote in message
> news:119vl8a2fruvo12@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>> "PA Bear" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:e0Tw3j%23ZFHA.1412@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>>> I posted the link in another response.
>>>
>>> Nope, but I have found...
>>>
>>> Outlook Express Backup Plus - Most populer backup software to create
>>> backup copies of Outlook Express email database. StaticBackup Inc.:
>>> http://www.staticbackup.com/
>>>
>>> Just to set the record clear, neither of Majik's applications (OEFB,
>>> OEQB) was the backup utility you used and which caused you to lose or
>>> misplace data, correct?
>>> --
>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>>> MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE) & Security
>>>
>>
>> Almost. It was my misuse of OE Freebie Backup that caused the problem,
>> it seems. I just downloaded the Quick Backup program from the same site,
>> and it seems so much easier. I'm really glad to have it.
>>
>> Best I could tell, when I erased Identities from OE Freebie Backup, those
>> same identities disappeared from OE. I'm not smart enough to know if
>> that's really what happened. But all is well now.
>>
>
> That is not what happened. Just deleting the backed up identities does
> not affect the current identities. You did something else to mess up the
> message store and registry. It was NOT Majik's program.
>

To be more clear, since this is spinning out of control, I did not delete
THE backed up files, I deleted the identities using the program Outlook
Express Freebie Backup. There's a drop down menu in the program, as you
know, with one of the options being to delete identities.

[DGuess]

> To be more clear, since this is spinning out of control, I did not delete
> THE backed up files, I deleted the identities using the program Outlook
> Express Freebie Backup. There's a drop down menu in the program, as you
> know, with one of the options being to delete identities.
>
>


Now you have me wondering. Why did you want to delete the Identity to begin
with? Were the warning text on the form and the msgbox warning not enough
to let you know what you were about to do and to top it off, you said you
just hit the back up and they were all gone? Well, I know the last part is
false as that won't happen. Then in another post you say you deleted ITS
Identities which OEFB does not have (only OE does) I don't think you know
what you did or what you did it with to tell the truth.

You spun it out of control when you said the program deleted everything and
then you talkd to someone else about another program and then you say you
deleted Identities and don't say why you did that or much of anything else.
Again, I don't think you know what your are doing or what you did with what
or when. Frankly I'm in the line of thinking of asking if you still have
the box the computer came in.............

[Jeff Needle]

"DGuess" <majik@mindspring.oops> wrote in message
news:uROIlVGaFHA.4032@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>
>> To be more clear, since this is spinning out of control, I did not delete
>> THE backed up files, I deleted the identities using the program Outlook
>> Express Freebie Backup. There's a drop down menu in the program, as you
>> know, with one of the options being to delete identities.
>>
>>
>
>
> Now you have me wondering. Why did you want to delete the Identity to
> begin with? Were the warning text on the form and the msgbox warning not
> enough to let you know what you were about to do and to top it off, you
> said you just hit the back up and they were all gone? Well, I know the
> last part is false as that won't happen. Then in another post you say you
> deleted ITS Identities which OEFB does not have (only OE does) I don't
> think you know what you did or what you did it with to tell the truth.
>

Congratulations, you've mucked this up beyond recognition.

Okay, I'll try again.

I had Outlook Express Freebie Backup on my computer. I tried getting it to
work, and I just couldn't figure it out. I created several identities,
trying to get it right. When nothing worked, I deleted the identities from
OEFB and started all over.

I did NOT delete the files on the backup CD, where I evidently did a
successful backup at some point. It was from the CD that I was able to
restore the registry entries that brought back my OE settings.

So, here's the question, and please, let's stop making this more complicated
than it really is. If you have Outlook Express Freebie Backup open, and you
delete an Identity from within THAT program, what impact does it have on
Outlook Express? As far as I can see, erasing the Identity from within
Outlook Express Freebie Backup has an effect on OE itself.

I use Cobian Backup to back up other applications. I use Day-Timer
Organizer, and I back it up with Cobian. If I erase the entry in Cobian to
back up Day-Timer, it has no effect at all on Day-Timer itself.

This doesn't seem to be the case with OE Freebie Backup. A novice like
myself might think that erasing the Identity entry in OEFB will simply keep
you from backing up OE. Instead, it seems to make that Identity disappear
from OE.

Sheesh.





> You spun it out of control when you said the program deleted everything
> and then you talkd to someone else about another program and then you say
> you deleted Identities and don't say why you did that or much of anything
> else. Again, I don't think you know what your are doing or what you did
> with what or when. Frankly I'm in the line of thinking of asking if you
> still have the box the computer came in.............
>

Very insulting.

Okay, the first programming class I *taught* in a local college was back in
the punch card days, in the late 1970's. I was teaching math at the time.
I have been a computer user for more years than I can imagine. Yes, I make
mistakes, yes, I sometimes misunderstand things, and yes, I don't always
explain things. But I did go on with a long career, post-teaching, as data
processing manager for an oil company here in southern California. Frankly,
I'll put my credentials against yours any day, so please don't talk to me
like I'm some sort of dumbbell.

If I misunderstood what it meant to delete an Identity from OEFB, then it's
just a misunderstanding. And, in my opinion, a design flaw. No backup
program should ever disable the program it's backing up. Period.

Learn some manners, please.



>
>
>

[PA Bear]

<ROFL>

DGuess wrote:
> ...Frankly I'm in the line of thinking of asking if you
> still have the box the computer came in.............

[DGuess]

"Jeff Needle" <jeff.needle@general-net.com> wrote in message
news:11a1j6vea2jj9d9@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "DGuess" <majik@mindspring.oops> wrote in message
> news:uROIlVGaFHA.4032@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>
>>> To be more clear, since this is spinning out of control, I did not
>>> delete
>>> THE backed up files, I deleted the identities using the program Outlook
>>> Express Freebie Backup. There's a drop down menu in the program, as you
>>> know, with one of the options being to delete identities.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Now you have me wondering. Why did you want to delete the Identity to
>> begin with? Were the warning text on the form and the msgbox warning not
>> enough to let you know what you were about to do and to top it off, you
>> said you just hit the back up and they were all gone? Well, I know the
>> last part is false as that won't happen. Then in another post you say you
>> deleted ITS Identities which OEFB does not have (only OE does) I don't
>> think you know what you did or what you did it with to tell the truth.
>>
>
> Congratulations, you've mucked this up beyond recognition.
>
> Okay, I'll try again.
>

No, I think you've done well enough to muck things up on your own computer.

> I had Outlook Express Freebie Backup on my computer. I tried getting it
> to work, and I just couldn't figure it out. I created several identities,
> trying to get it right. When nothing worked, I deleted the identities
> from OEFB and started all over.
>

Why didn't you delete the Identities from within the program that created
them, Outlook Express. At least there you would have understood some of the
reasoning behind OEFB's additional utilities as in the cases where an
Identity was corrupt enough to not be able to start OE.

> I did NOT delete the files on the backup CD, where I evidently did a
> successful backup at some point. It was from the CD that I was able to
> restore the registry entries that brought back my OE settings.
>
> So, here's the question, and please, let's stop making this more
> complicated than it really is. If you have Outlook Express Freebie Backup
> open, and you delete an Identity from within THAT program, what impact
> does it have on Outlook Express? As far as I can see, erasing the
> Identity from within Outlook Express Freebie Backup has an effect on OE
> itself.
>
> I use Cobian Backup to back up other applications. I use Day-Timer
> Organizer, and I back it up with Cobian. If I erase the entry in Cobian
> to back up Day-Timer, it has no effect at all on Day-Timer itself.
>
> This doesn't seem to be the case with OE Freebie Backup. A novice like
> myself might think that erasing the Identity entry in OEFB will simply
> keep you from backing up OE. Instead, it seems to make that Identity
> disappear from OE.
>

OEFB origninated as a backup program with utilities which meant it could do
more than back up things. Those items were suggestions from people so they
could have it all in one spot, meaning one program. The name remained the
same and apparently a lot of people understood that it was more than a
backup program.

> Sheesh.
>

Again, the warnings don't mean a thing do they? Do you drive down the road
smacking mail boxes with your hand? That doesn't happen to have a warning
and is a something bad to do as well. Not that I've ever done it, I'm smart
enough to know not to do such things without a warning and when I do see a
warning of some type, I heed the warning till I understand what it is trying
to keep me out of and I understand it and then can decide if I want to
proceed or not.

>
>
>
>
>> You spun it out of control when you said the program deleted everything
>> and then you talkd to someone else about another program and then you say
>> you deleted Identities and don't say why you did that or much of anything
>> else. Again, I don't think you know what your are doing or what you did
>> with what or when. Frankly I'm in the line of thinking of asking if you
>> still have the box the computer came in.............
>>
>
> Very insulting.

Not it's not, insulting would be something much worse. Believe me, I can be
insulting. I'm good at it too.

>
> Okay, the first programming class I *taught* in a local college was back
> in the punch card days, in the late 1970's. I was teaching math at the
> time. I have been a computer user for more years than I can imagine. Yes,
> I make mistakes, yes, I sometimes misunderstand things, and yes, I don't
> always explain things. But I did go on with a long career, post-teaching,
> as data processing manager for an oil company here in southern California.
> Frankly, I'll put my credentials against yours any day, so please don't
> talk to me like I'm some sort of dumbbell.

I'm doubting those credentials. I've been working with computers for 30
years now. Pre-punch card because when we got one it meant no more eight
rows of eight switches. To print, we threw in the little ball down the shoot
and the big ball to stop the printer. I took several computer classes that
as a student of the class I *taught* it. CoBOL programming was one of those.
The other was one I helped designed. But then, none of that has to to with
computers today. I work on computers for a living for companies and
individuals with no problems or complaints.


You apparently misunderstand a lot of things and never explain any of them.


>
> If I misunderstood what it meant to delete an Identity from OEFB, then
> it's just a misunderstanding. And, in my opinion, a design flaw. No
> backup program should ever disable the program it's backing up. Period.
>

You misunderstood a lot apparently. OEFB is more than a backup program. Gee,
let me think, what other backup program can also create Identities, make
changes to the reg files to change the {USER_ID} and numerous other things.
It started out as a simple backup program but grew to more abilities. I'm
still guessing that the warnings saying that if you don't understand what
you're doing to cancel out and not do it has no meaning to you.

> Learn some manners, please.
>

Hell I got manners. It's attitude I also have when someone can't get their
facts straight and end up confusing programs and emailing people they think
where the problem was and don't really know where the problem was to begin
with. I do however know where the problem was and it was the nut behind the
keyboard who doesn't know what they did with what, when or why.