Re: Disabled item in Startup, but can't keep it disabled



sbc
07-09-2005, 09:14 PM
Gosh I wish there were an easy answer to just any of these in WinXP. I am
getting so very discouraged with this program compared to Win98SE. I mean I
guess I understand all the layers more involved in this OS's design (if I
don't use the proper lingo in how it means, I apologize .. but I do not
understand any of this and I am not trying to sound impressive when I even
try to use a term, I am merely hoping it conveys the meaning of what I am
trying to describe. OS .... meaning this operating system ... as opposed to
Windows 98SE ... is completely and utterly bizarre to me. I go into
directories where there are just files with numbers on them maybe .. if even
that ... I have had now .... 5 or so weeks of just trying to get these
folders to reveal their contents and can not even do that ..... . ).
So your response to his question which was one ... just one of the many
questions I have ... was actually to use a program ... that I have downloaded
.... and now my question to you ... is won't THAT program now just become
another program that this Windows dictates it has to open up with ... in
order to tell me what programs and applications and services, etc. etc. etc.
.... it is starting up with!!!!!! Because my initial question was going to be
- What are the "essential" (since Microsoft uses that in its heading per
Services ... and I don't even understand why in heavens name they would
expect us to comprehend all of these services they bogged us down with)
"services" that we have to start up with. My system is moving way too slow
and way too wrong for it to be a brand new computer and a brand new operating
system. Every help area I go to .. is so frigging complex that I assume they
now expected only advanced programmers to buy this Windows XP!
Forgive my rant but it applies in some areas for sure. I will apply this
startman program you left the link for ... but if you know what services we
might be able to disable (and even that is a multi-tier question because in
order to disable a service .. you have a couple of options just there!) in
this msconfig ... then I would appreciate it .. that is .. if it is not a
link to a MSN 20 page answer.

"Wesley Vogel" wrote:

> msconfig is intended to be used as a troubleshooting tool not a startup
> manager.
>
> [[System Configuration Utility (msconfig.exe) allows you to temporarily
> change the way Windows XP Professional starts by disabling startup programs
> and services individually or several at a time.]]
> http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/Default.asp?url=/re
>
> sources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/prmb_tol_dxth.asp
>
> [[System Configuration Utility (Msconfig.exe) automates the routine
> troubleshooting steps that Microsoft Product Support Services technicians
> use when diagnosing Windows configuration issues. You can use this tool to
> modify the system configuration through a process of elimination with check
> boxes, reducing the risk of typing errors.]]
> http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/msconfig_usage.mspx
>
> From StartMan Help:
> [[The correct method for removing any startup is to use the program that
> placed it there in the first place. The reason for this is that the program
> would otherwise be unaware of the changes you'd made with StartMan or any
> other startup managers, and some will actually restore their startups
> automatically, thus creating duplicates. Therefore always check the main
> program's own options or preferences, or the system tray icon's options (if
> the program has one) before resorting to any startup manager - including
> this one. Startup managers should ONLY be used to disable startups
> temporarily - such as when troubleshooting - or to remove non-essential
> startups that have no removal options whatsoever. ]]
>
> StartMan is a GOOD Utility, I use it all the time, especially after
> installing software. Everything you install wants to run at startup.
> StartMan shows where something starts from. Check out the Help in StartMan
> also! You can either have StartMan disable startups or just use it to find
> where something is loading from.
>
> StartMan v1.3.96
> http://www.pt.lu/comnet/desc/startman.html
>
> StartMan v1.3.96 Direct download
> http://www.pt.lu/comnet/files/utils/startman10396.exe
>
> There are other start manager utilities but I don't use them, so can offer
> no other advice.
>
> --
> Hope this helps. Let us know.
>
> Wes
> MS-MVP Windows Shell/User
>
> In news:Si5Yd.70895$Tt.57619@fed1read05,
> zona4351 <zona4351@cox.net> hunted and pecked:
> > Hello,
> > I've read several posts about speeding up pc by disabling programs in
> > Startup. After I've done that, and restarted the pc, I get a "System
> > Configuration Utility" message. It directs me to choose the normal
> > startup mode - which reactivates the programs I was trying to remove
> > from startup. Please help.
>
>

Wesley Vogel
07-09-2005, 09:14 PM
Figuring out which services you actually need is a trial and error deal.

I can't tell you what you need without being at your machine.

I have disabled services that caused something, like internet access, not to
work.

You have to try disabling them one at a time and see what that may have
screwed up.

However, there are some guidlines...

The following links explain what most of the services are and give some idea
as to how they should be set; disabled, automatic or manual.

Not all services are part of Windows XP, some may be from your antivirus or
firewall software, etc.

Some of Black Vipers links aren't working yet (He's got a new website that
he seems to be still working on).

Some Services information. (I have a lot more links).

http://web.archive.org/web/20041128094512/http://www.blackviper.com/

http://web.archive.org/web/20041128084144/www.blackviper.com/WinXP/servicecfg.htm

http://www.theeldergeek.com/services_guide.htm#Services

http://snakefoot.fateback.com/tweak/winnt/services.html

http://www.geocities.com/ziyadhosein/xpserv1.htm

http://www.beemerworld.com/tips/servicesxp.htm

To display Hidden files and folders...

Start | Settings | Control Panel | Folder Options | View tab
Check:
Display the contents of system folders
Show hidden files and folders
UNCheck:
Hide protected operating system files
Apply | OK

[[Hidden files and folders will appear dimmed to indicate they are not
typical items.]]

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In news:C790444C-C899-4480-9BAC-814ACD30FB57@microsoft.com,
sbc <sbc@discussions.microsoft.com> hunted and pecked:
> Gosh I wish there were an easy answer to just any of these in WinXP. I am
> getting so very discouraged with this program compared to Win98SE. I
> mean I guess I understand all the layers more involved in this OS's
> design (if I don't use the proper lingo in how it means, I apologize ..
> but I do not understand any of this and I am not trying to sound
> impressive when I even try to use a term, I am merely hoping it conveys
> the meaning of what I am trying to describe. OS .... meaning this
> operating system ... as opposed to Windows 98SE ... is completely and
> utterly bizarre to me. I go into directories where there are just files
> with numbers on them maybe .. if even that ... I have had now .... 5 or
> so weeks of just trying to get these folders to reveal their contents and
> can not even do that ..... . ). So your response to his question
> which was one ... just one of the many questions I have ... was actually
> to use a program ... that I have downloaded ... and now my question to
> you ... is won't THAT program now just become another program that this
> Windows dictates it has to open up with ... in order to tell me what
> programs and applications and services, etc. etc. etc. ... it is starting
> up with!!!!!! Because my initial question was going to be - What are the
> "essential" (since Microsoft uses that in its heading per Services ...
> and I don't even understand why in heavens name they would expect us to
> comprehend all of these services they bogged us down with) "services"
> that we have to start up with. My system is moving way too slow and way
> too wrong for it to be a brand new computer and a brand new operating
> system. Every help area I go to .. is so frigging complex that I assume
> they now expected only advanced programmers to buy this Windows XP!
> Forgive my rant but it applies in some areas for sure. I will apply this
> startman program you left the link for ... but if you know what services
> we might be able to disable (and even that is a multi-tier question
> because in order to disable a service .. you have a couple of options
> just there!) in this msconfig ... then I would appreciate it .. that is
> .. if it is not a link to a MSN 20 page answer.
>
> "Wesley Vogel" wrote:
>
>> msconfig is intended to be used as a troubleshooting tool not a startup
>> manager.
>>
>> [[System Configuration Utility (msconfig.exe) allows you to temporarily
>> change the way Windows XP Professional starts by disabling startup
>> programs and services individually or several at a time.]]
>>
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/Default.asp?url=/re
>>
>> sources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/prmb_tol_dxth.asp
>>
>> [[System Configuration Utility (Msconfig.exe) automates the routine
>> troubleshooting steps that Microsoft Product Support Services technicians
>> use when diagnosing Windows configuration issues. You can use this tool
>> to modify the system configuration through a process of elimination with
>> check boxes, reducing the risk of typing errors.]]
>>
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/msconfig_usage.mspx
>>
>> From StartMan Help:
>> [[The correct method for removing any startup is to use the program that
>> placed it there in the first place. The reason for this is that the
>> program would otherwise be unaware of the changes you'd made with
>> StartMan or any other startup managers, and some will actually restore
>> their startups automatically, thus creating duplicates. Therefore always
>> check the main program's own options or preferences, or the system tray
>> icon's options (if the program has one) before resorting to any startup
>> manager - including this one. Startup managers should ONLY be used to
>> disable startups temporarily - such as when troubleshooting - or to
>> remove non-essential startups that have no removal options whatsoever.
>> ]]
>>
>> StartMan is a GOOD Utility, I use it all the time, especially after
>> installing software. Everything you install wants to run at startup.
>> StartMan shows where something starts from. Check out the Help in
>> StartMan also! You can either have StartMan disable startups or just
>> use it to find where something is loading from.
>>
>> StartMan v1.3.96
>> http://www.pt.lu/comnet/desc/startman.html
>>
>> StartMan v1.3.96 Direct download
>> http://www.pt.lu/comnet/files/utils/startman10396.exe
>>
>> There are other start manager utilities but I don't use them, so can
>> offer no other advice.
>>
>> --
>> Hope this helps. Let us know.
>>
>> Wes
>> MS-MVP Windows Shell/User
>>
>> In news:Si5Yd.70895$Tt.57619@fed1read05,
>> zona4351 <zona4351@cox.net> hunted and pecked:
>>> Hello,
>>> I've read several posts about speeding up pc by disabling programs in
>>> Startup. After I've done that, and restarted the pc, I get a "System
>>> Configuration Utility" message. It directs me to choose the normal
>>> startup mode - which reactivates the programs I was trying to remove
>>> from startup. Please help.

gls858
07-09-2005, 09:14 PM
sbc wrote:
> Gosh I wish there were an easy answer to just any of these in WinXP. I am
> getting so very discouraged with this program compared to Win98SE. I mean I
> guess I understand all the layers more involved in this OS's design (if I
> don't use the proper lingo in how it means, I apologize .. but I do not
> understand any of this and I am not trying to sound impressive when I even
> try to use a term, I am merely hoping it conveys the meaning of what I am
> trying to describe. OS .... meaning this operating system ... as opposed to
> Windows 98SE ... is completely and utterly bizarre to me. I go into
> directories where there are just files with numbers on them maybe .. if even
> that ... I have had now .... 5 or so weeks of just trying to get these
> folders to reveal their contents and can not even do that ..... . ).
> So your response to his question which was one ... just one of the many
> questions I have ... was actually to use a program ... that I have downloaded
> ... and now my question to you ... is won't THAT program now just become
> another program that this Windows dictates it has to open up with ... in
> order to tell me what programs and applications and services, etc. etc. etc.
> ... it is starting up with!!!!!! Because my initial question was going to be
> - What are the "essential" (since Microsoft uses that in its heading per
> Services ... and I don't even understand why in heavens name they would
> expect us to comprehend all of these services they bogged us down with)
> "services" that we have to start up with. My system is moving way too slow
> and way too wrong for it to be a brand new computer and a brand new operating
> system. Every help area I go to .. is so frigging complex that I assume they
> now expected only advanced programmers to buy this Windows XP!
> Forgive my rant but it applies in some areas for sure. I will apply this
> startman program you left the link for ... but if you know what services we
> might be able to disable (and even that is a multi-tier question because in
> order to disable a service .. you have a couple of options just there!) in
> this msconfig ... then I would appreciate it .. that is .. if it is not a
> link to a MSN 20 page answer.
>
> "Wesley Vogel" wrote:
>
>
>>msconfig is intended to be used as a troubleshooting tool not a startup
>>manager.
>>
>>[[System Configuration Utility (msconfig.exe) allows you to temporarily
>>change the way Windows XP Professional starts by disabling startup programs
>>and services individually or several at a time.]]
>>http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/Default.asp?url=/re
>>
>>sources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/prmb_tol_dxth.asp
>>
>>[[System Configuration Utility (Msconfig.exe) automates the routine
>>troubleshooting steps that Microsoft Product Support Services technicians
>>use when diagnosing Windows configuration issues. You can use this tool to
>>modify the system configuration through a process of elimination with check
>>boxes, reducing the risk of typing errors.]]
>>http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/msconfig_usage.mspx
>>
>>From StartMan Help:
>>[[The correct method for removing any startup is to use the program that
>>placed it there in the first place. The reason for this is that the program
>>would otherwise be unaware of the changes you'd made with StartMan or any
>>other startup managers, and some will actually restore their startups
>>automatically, thus creating duplicates. Therefore always check the main
>>program's own options or preferences, or the system tray icon's options (if
>>the program has one) before resorting to any startup manager - including
>>this one. Startup managers should ONLY be used to disable startups
>>temporarily - such as when troubleshooting - or to remove non-essential
>>startups that have no removal options whatsoever. ]]
>>
>>StartMan is a GOOD Utility, I use it all the time, especially after
>>installing software. Everything you install wants to run at startup.
>>StartMan shows where something starts from. Check out the Help in StartMan
>>also! You can either have StartMan disable startups or just use it to find
>>where something is loading from.
>>
>>StartMan v1.3.96
>>http://www.pt.lu/comnet/desc/startman.html
>>
>>StartMan v1.3.96 Direct download
>>http://www.pt.lu/comnet/files/utils/startman10396.exe
>>
>>There are other start manager utilities but I don't use them, so can offer
>>no other advice.
>>
>>--
>>Hope this helps. Let us know.
>>
>>Wes
>>MS-MVP Windows Shell/User
>>
>>In news:Si5Yd.70895$Tt.57619@fed1read05,
>>zona4351 <zona4351@cox.net> hunted and pecked:
>>
>>>Hello,
>>>I've read several posts about speeding up pc by disabling programs in
>>>Startup. After I've done that, and restarted the pc, I get a "System
>>>Configuration Utility" message. It directs me to choose the normal
>>>startup mode - which reactivates the programs I was trying to remove
>>>from startup. Please help.
>>
>>
You didn't say if you were running an up to date antivirus or any kind
of firewall. If not you almost certainly have spyware and possibly
a virus. these can have a tremendous impact on resources and it just
takes a minute or two on the net unprotected to pick up them up.

gls858

borisyankov@gmail.com
07-09-2005, 09:14 PM
Using a good startup manager can somewhat help that.
One such is InControl at www.get-in-control.com

Wesley Vogel
07-09-2005, 09:14 PM
Even better and free.

[[StartMan is an extended 'msconfig' Startup Manager, designed to take
control of all those pesky programs and background services that load and
run at logon - most of which you probably don't need. As well as providing
the usual trouble-shooting options to enable or disable startups, StartMan
also permits the removal of startups.
Duplicate Detection and Removal, a unique feature of StartMan, can be
configured to remove all duplicates automatically, with or without
prompting.
Orphan Detection and Removal. As above, for orphaned startups.
Executable Detection and Removal. As above, for executables.
Includes a full range of sorting options to make it easier to locate a
specific startup - by name, by filename - even by command line parameter! ]]

StartMan v1.3.96
http://www.pt.lu/comnet/desc/startman.html

StartMan v1.3.96 Direct download
http://www.pt.lu/comnet/files/utils/startman10396.exe

OR...

Startuplist 1.52.1
[[The newest version of the efficient and effective program by Merijn that
lists all and every autostarting app on your system. Checks Autostart
folders, the Registry Run keys, Autoexec.bat, Stub Paths, ICQ Agent, Program
extensions, Win.ini, System.ini, Wininit.ini, Wininit.bak, Winstart.bat,
Dosstart.bat, as well as checking for duplicate instances of Explorer.exe
and checking for superhidden extensions.
Recommended for Windows 95/98/98SE/ME/NT4/2000/XP.]]
http://www.lurkhere.com/~nicefiles/

Direct download of Startuplist 1.52.1
http://www.lurkhere.com/~nicefiles/startuplist1521.zip


--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In news:1118310630.218784.218280@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com,
borisyankov@gmail.com <borisyankov@gmail.com> hunted and pecked:
> Using a good startup manager can somewhat help that.
> One such is InControl at www.get-in-control.com


Re: Disabled item in Startup, but can't keep it disabled