have only DV-AVI(PAL) cature option - I need DV-AVI NTSC



Peter
07-09-2005, 10:59 PM
hi - all seem to be well with the setup, except for the difficulty in the
title. can anyone help me out with this ? the DV cassette is in NTSC but I
can't enable that format for capture in Movie Maker. capture is possible but
shows as wierd colored blocks.

thanks

Peter

Graham Hughes
07-09-2005, 10:59 PM
More info would help.
Set up with what?
Is the camcorder an NTSC model?
Where are you based, in NTSC land or PAL land?

--
Graham Hughes
MVP Digital Media
www.myvideoproblems.co.uk
www.dvds2treasure.com
www.simplydv.com


"Peter" <Peter@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:06C1CA2D-F2C3-428E-8FBD-ED94FCA8FCBF@microsoft.com...
> hi - all seem to be well with the setup, except for the difficulty in the
> title. can anyone help me out with this ? the DV cassette is in NTSC but
> I
> can't enable that format for capture in Movie Maker. capture is possible
> but
> shows as wierd colored blocks.
>
> thanks
>
> Peter

Peter
07-09-2005, 10:59 PM
OK. I have a Sony HC hat plays a DV cassette perfectly. There is a little
'NTSC' symbol on the view screen when I play the tape. I did not record the
tap with this camcorder, though. I recorded it on a Panasonic, but the iLink
is busted on that camcorder.

So I set up I link, open Movie Maker. It recognises the Sony, no problem.
I go to capture and choose DV-AVI. I see in 'setting details'... video
format PAL.

This remains even if I select 'NTSC' on Tools > Options > Advanced. Nor
does this setting bring up an NTSC option.

During capture, video file size increases as I would expect it to etc. etc.
Preview video is garbled.

If it try the capture without preview, the resulting clip is identical.

Going back to the capture wizard, I select 'other settings' and the drop
down will only offer DV-AVI (PAL) which gives the same results as above.

I did read another post on the forum of an individual who had the 'opposite'
problem to mine, though I did not see a resolution to his problem.

FYI: PC (XP Home Edition), camcorder bought in the US, though I do now live
in PALland. I did upgrade to SP2 while living in PALland, though I do not
see what incidence this could have.

Thanks

Peter

"Graham Hughes" wrote:

> More info would help.
> Set up with what?
> Is the camcorder an NTSC model?
> Where are you based, in NTSC land or PAL land?
>
> --
> Graham Hughes
> MVP Digital Media
> www.myvideoproblems.co.uk
> www.dvds2treasure.com
> www.simplydv.com
>
>
> "Peter" <Peter@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:06C1CA2D-F2C3-428E-8FBD-ED94FCA8FCBF@microsoft.com...
> > hi - all seem to be well with the setup, except for the difficulty in the
> > title. can anyone help me out with this ? the DV cassette is in NTSC but
> > I
> > can't enable that format for capture in Movie Maker. capture is possible
> > but
> > shows as wierd colored blocks.
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > Peter
>
>
>

Cari \(MS-MVP\)
07-09-2005, 10:59 PM
If you are in PAL land, using an NTSC tape, then you'll need an NTSC digital
camcorder.
--
Cari
(MS-MVP Printing & Imaging)


What do you have your Tools, Options in WMM set to?
"Peter" <Peter@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:06C1CA2D-F2C3-428E-8FBD-ED94FCA8FCBF@microsoft.com...
> hi - all seem to be well with the setup, except for the difficulty in the
> title. can anyone help me out with this ? the DV cassette is in NTSC but
> I
> can't enable that format for capture in Movie Maker. capture is possible
> but
> shows as wierd colored blocks.
>
> thanks
>
> Peter
>

Cari \(MS-MVP\)
07-09-2005, 10:59 PM
I'm guessing that your digital camcorder cannot really convert PAL to NTSC.
It can put out an image which your TV can see, but it's not really a PAL
stream. It is doing what nearly all European VCRs do which is put out a
signal that a PAL tv can correctly interpret, but it isn't really PAL or
NTSC, just somewhere in between.

You'll need to:
Either find an NTSC digital camcorder and use that
or
Get that iLink fixed on the Panasonic.
--
Cari
(MS-MVP Printing & Imaging)

"Peter" <Peter@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:F54C1611-DD0E-4599-83A1-C593754C740F@microsoft.com...
> OK. I have a Sony HC hat plays a DV cassette perfectly. There is a
> little
> 'NTSC' symbol on the view screen when I play the tape. I did not record
> the
> tap with this camcorder, though. I recorded it on a Panasonic, but the
> iLink
> is busted on that camcorder.
>
> So I set up I link, open Movie Maker. It recognises the Sony, no problem.
> I go to capture and choose DV-AVI. I see in 'setting details'... video
> format PAL.
>
> This remains even if I select 'NTSC' on Tools > Options > Advanced. Nor
> does this setting bring up an NTSC option.
>
> During capture, video file size increases as I would expect it to etc.
> etc.
> Preview video is garbled.
>
> If it try the capture without preview, the resulting clip is identical.
>
> Going back to the capture wizard, I select 'other settings' and the drop
> down will only offer DV-AVI (PAL) which gives the same results as above.
>
> I did read another post on the forum of an individual who had the
> 'opposite'
> problem to mine, though I did not see a resolution to his problem.
>
> FYI: PC (XP Home Edition), camcorder bought in the US, though I do now
> live
> in PALland. I did upgrade to SP2 while living in PALland, though I do not
> see what incidence this could have.
>
> Thanks
>
> Peter
>
> "Graham Hughes" wrote:
>
>> More info would help.
>> Set up with what?
>> Is the camcorder an NTSC model?
>> Where are you based, in NTSC land or PAL land?
>>
>> --
>> Graham Hughes
>> MVP Digital Media
>> www.myvideoproblems.co.uk
>> www.dvds2treasure.com
>> www.simplydv.com
>>
>>
>> "Peter" <Peter@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:06C1CA2D-F2C3-428E-8FBD-ED94FCA8FCBF@microsoft.com...
>> > hi - all seem to be well with the setup, except for the difficulty in
>> > the
>> > title. can anyone help me out with this ? the DV cassette is in NTSC
>> > but
>> > I
>> > can't enable that format for capture in Movie Maker. capture is
>> > possible
>> > but
>> > shows as wierd colored blocks.
>> >
>> > thanks
>> >
>> > Peter
>>
>>
>>
>

Peter
07-09-2005, 10:59 PM
I got out my Panasonic: I knew one of the interfaces on it was busted and as
I said, I thought it was the ILink -- I wanted to try the USB interface on
it. Oh joy! On further examination it turns out that the USB plug is the
busted one! Ilink interface is intact.

So I set it up. MM recognises the Panasonic, capture wizard recognises it
as NTSC and capture works perfectly!!

So, as surmised by Cari above, the PAL land Sony, borrowed from a friend,
seems to tell the computer to expect PAL but then DOES NOT correctly convert
NTSC to PAL for DV transfer. I did not find a way to configure the Sony to
pass the NTSC signal its ILink interface, though I did not bust a gut after I
got the Panasonic working.

Rehan: thanks for your suggestion to use a different capture app: I did try
WinDV, without success.

Is there a good white paper or document that explains why PAL or NTSC are
used to encode DV recordings at all? I would have thought this was not
necessary.

It also seems that camcorder manufacturers have only gone half way with
their interoperability work.

Peter

"Cari (MS-MVP)" wrote:

> I'm guessing that your digital camcorder cannot really convert PAL to NTSC.
> It can put out an image which your TV can see, but it's not really a PAL
> stream. It is doing what nearly all European VCRs do which is put out a
> signal that a PAL tv can correctly interpret, but it isn't really PAL or
> NTSC, just somewhere in between.
>
> You'll need to:
> Either find an NTSC digital camcorder and use that
> or
> Get that iLink fixed on the Panasonic.
> --
> Cari
> (MS-MVP Printing & Imaging)
>
> "Peter" <Peter@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:F54C1611-DD0E-4599-83A1-C593754C740F@microsoft.com...
> > OK. I have a Sony HC hat plays a DV cassette perfectly. There is a
> > little
> > 'NTSC' symbol on the view screen when I play the tape. I did not record
> > the
> > tap with this camcorder, though. I recorded it on a Panasonic, but the
> > iLink
> > is busted on that camcorder.
> >
> > So I set up I link, open Movie Maker. It recognises the Sony, no problem.
> > I go to capture and choose DV-AVI. I see in 'setting details'... video
> > format PAL.
> >
> > This remains even if I select 'NTSC' on Tools > Options > Advanced. Nor
> > does this setting bring up an NTSC option.
> >
> > During capture, video file size increases as I would expect it to etc.
> > etc.
> > Preview video is garbled.
> >
> > If it try the capture without preview, the resulting clip is identical.
> >
> > Going back to the capture wizard, I select 'other settings' and the drop
> > down will only offer DV-AVI (PAL) which gives the same results as above.
> >
> > I did read another post on the forum of an individual who had the
> > 'opposite'
> > problem to mine, though I did not see a resolution to his problem.
> >
> > FYI: PC (XP Home Edition), camcorder bought in the US, though I do now
> > live
> > in PALland. I did upgrade to SP2 while living in PALland, though I do not
> > see what incidence this could have.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > "Graham Hughes" wrote:
> >
> >> More info would help.
> >> Set up with what?
> >> Is the camcorder an NTSC model?
> >> Where are you based, in NTSC land or PAL land?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Graham Hughes
> >> MVP Digital Media
> >> www.myvideoproblems.co.uk
> >> www.dvds2treasure.com
> >> www.simplydv.com
> >>
> >>
> >> "Peter" <Peter@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:06C1CA2D-F2C3-428E-8FBD-ED94FCA8FCBF@microsoft.com...
> >> > hi - all seem to be well with the setup, except for the difficulty in
> >> > the
> >> > title. can anyone help me out with this ? the DV cassette is in NTSC
> >> > but
> >> > I
> >> > can't enable that format for capture in Movie Maker. capture is
> >> > possible
> >> > but
> >> > shows as wierd colored blocks.
> >> >
> >> > thanks
> >> >
> >> > Peter
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
>
>

Cari \(MS-MVP\)
07-09-2005, 10:59 PM
YEAH! Excellent news. PAL vs NTSC dates back years and years.... at least
in Europe most PAL VCRs will happily output a signal from an NTSC tape that
the TV will interpret correctly. Here in the US 99.9% won't. You have a
choice of just a few multi standards VCRs which will actually do a real
conversion - unless of course you have a TV which is also multi-standard and
they're even rarer.

When I came over from the UK to the US over eleven years ago now I had to
shop around for a couple of multi-standard VCRs as I'd brought about 300+
VHS tapes with me.

I have no idea why the two standards originated. I'm not a TV engineer.
It's as bad as the Regionalization of DVDs. I just wish it would go away
forever.
--
Cari
(MS-MVP Printing & Imaging)

"Peter" <Peter@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:7902015E-4B35-475E-A867-C35D808D0D15@microsoft.com...
>I got out my Panasonic: I knew one of the interfaces on it was busted and
>as
> I said, I thought it was the ILink -- I wanted to try the USB interface on
> it. Oh joy! On further examination it turns out that the USB plug is the
> busted one! Ilink interface is intact.
>
> So I set it up. MM recognises the Panasonic, capture wizard recognises it
> as NTSC and capture works perfectly!!
>
> So, as surmised by Cari above, the PAL land Sony, borrowed from a friend,
> seems to tell the computer to expect PAL but then DOES NOT correctly
> convert
> NTSC to PAL for DV transfer. I did not find a way to configure the Sony
> to
> pass the NTSC signal its ILink interface, though I did not bust a gut
> after I
> got the Panasonic working.
>
> Rehan: thanks for your suggestion to use a different capture app: I did
> try
> WinDV, without success.
>
> Is there a good white paper or document that explains why PAL or NTSC are
> used to encode DV recordings at all? I would have thought this was not
> necessary.
>
> It also seems that camcorder manufacturers have only gone half way with
> their interoperability work.
>
> Peter
>
> "Cari (MS-MVP)" wrote:
>
>> I'm guessing that your digital camcorder cannot really convert PAL to
>> NTSC.
>> It can put out an image which your TV can see, but it's not really a PAL
>> stream. It is doing what nearly all European VCRs do which is put out a
>> signal that a PAL tv can correctly interpret, but it isn't really PAL or
>> NTSC, just somewhere in between.
>>
>> You'll need to:
>> Either find an NTSC digital camcorder and use that
>> or
>> Get that iLink fixed on the Panasonic.
>> --
>> Cari
>> (MS-MVP Printing & Imaging)
>>
>> "Peter" <Peter@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:F54C1611-DD0E-4599-83A1-C593754C740F@microsoft.com...
>> > OK. I have a Sony HC hat plays a DV cassette perfectly. There is a
>> > little
>> > 'NTSC' symbol on the view screen when I play the tape. I did not
>> > record
>> > the
>> > tap with this camcorder, though. I recorded it on a Panasonic, but the
>> > iLink
>> > is busted on that camcorder.
>> >
>> > So I set up I link, open Movie Maker. It recognises the Sony, no
>> > problem.
>> > I go to capture and choose DV-AVI. I see in 'setting details'... video
>> > format PAL.
>> >
>> > This remains even if I select 'NTSC' on Tools > Options > Advanced.
>> > Nor
>> > does this setting bring up an NTSC option.
>> >
>> > During capture, video file size increases as I would expect it to etc.
>> > etc.
>> > Preview video is garbled.
>> >
>> > If it try the capture without preview, the resulting clip is identical.
>> >
>> > Going back to the capture wizard, I select 'other settings' and the
>> > drop
>> > down will only offer DV-AVI (PAL) which gives the same results as
>> > above.
>> >
>> > I did read another post on the forum of an individual who had the
>> > 'opposite'
>> > problem to mine, though I did not see a resolution to his problem.
>> >
>> > FYI: PC (XP Home Edition), camcorder bought in the US, though I do now
>> > live
>> > in PALland. I did upgrade to SP2 while living in PALland, though I do
>> > not
>> > see what incidence this could have.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > Peter
>> >
>> > "Graham Hughes" wrote:
>> >
>> >> More info would help.
>> >> Set up with what?
>> >> Is the camcorder an NTSC model?
>> >> Where are you based, in NTSC land or PAL land?
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Graham Hughes
>> >> MVP Digital Media
>> >> www.myvideoproblems.co.uk
>> >> www.dvds2treasure.com
>> >> www.simplydv.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Peter" <Peter@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:06C1CA2D-F2C3-428E-8FBD-ED94FCA8FCBF@microsoft.com...
>> >> > hi - all seem to be well with the setup, except for the difficulty
>> >> > in
>> >> > the
>> >> > title. can anyone help me out with this ? the DV cassette is in
>> >> > NTSC
>> >> > but
>> >> > I
>> >> > can't enable that format for capture in Movie Maker. capture is
>> >> > possible
>> >> > but
>> >> > shows as wierd colored blocks.
>> >> >
>> >> > thanks
>> >> >
>> >> > Peter
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>


have only DV-AVI(PAL) cature option - I need DV-AVI NTSC