Re: SIDEWINDER STRATEGIC COMMANDER



Luxtr
07-09-2005, 09:40 PM
Hi everyone, new user here...

I'm experiencing some troubles (several) with MS Sidewinder Strategic
Commander and Windows XP Pro SP1.

First, I tried to connect it to an USB port but it was not detected.
Actually, no lights turned on, and not even the traybar showed any new
hardware connection.

So... what did I do in order to have it detected by Windows XP?

STEP 1. DELETED ALL GHOST DEVICES

(With my joystick plugged in)
I restarted my computer and booted in Safe Mode. I entered the Device
Manager and deleted every entry that looked like Sidewinder Strategic
Commander.
I repeated this procedure for those entries under (sic) "Games, media
and sound" branch and USB devices.
Then, I turned off my computer.

STEP 2. REINSTALL

(With my joystick plugged off)
Restarted my computer, booted in Normal mode.
When Windows was fully loaded and I was back at the Desktop, I plugged
in my joystick. I don't remember having Windows detect anything.
However, without giving away my hopes, I went to the CP and then hit
the Game devices icon.
Clicked Add and selected Microsoft Sidewinder (Autodetect), hit OK. An
"Microsoft Sidewinder Pro joystick" was added to the list.
I restarted my computer. However, no lights were turned on... back on
Windows 98, everytime I restarted my computer, the lights used to turn
on.

I tried to use my joystick but I couldn't get it to work on any game...
and the Sidewinder Pro layout is nothing like ...

------------------------------

Unfortunately, I don't have the CD and they don't have any stock to
replace Sidewinder 4.0 drivers, here, in Latin America.
I tried to download a SW 4.0 I found on DriverGuide... however, the
setup was for Sidewinder Gamepad Pro...

I'm not sure if SW4.0 was designed to be a generic driver or if every
USB joystick had their own modified SW4.0 driver version... after
installing it, nothing happened.

I read (on other site):
-To program the buttons for a particular game, Press the REC button and
press any key to configure the devices on the fly. -

Too bad it's not working :(

Am I missing something? I tested my joystick on a Win98 computer and it
worked just fine. It's becoming really frustrating and I'm really
disappointed at Microsoft for not having any SW4 downloads on their
site and just a few KB articles on Strategic Commander.

A friend of mine has the CD that came with his own Sidewinder Strategic
Commander... SW 4.0 for WinXP (actually, for Win2k) designed for
Strategic Commander should be on it, right?


Help please.


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Joshua Smith [MSFT]
07-09-2005, 09:40 PM
Hi Luxtr,

You should check to see what chipset your USB ports are using. If it is
a VIA chipset you should find some updated drivers for it. There were some
VIA USB controllers that had issues with joystick type devices in
particular.
As far as the drivers they are built into WindowsXP and will load when
you plug the device in and the system is able to detect it. The software for
mapping keys to buttons isn't in the OS so you will need to get a CD for
that. As you already found there is a different installer for each device.
You can use your friends CD or try following this link and have a new one
sent to you.

Hardware and Software replacement
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;326246

Joshua Smith
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"Luxtr" <Luxtr.1ox5tc@DoNotSpam.com> wrote in message
news:Luxtr.1ox5tc@DoNotSpam.com...
>
> Hi everyone, new user here...
>
> I'm experiencing some troubles (several) with MS Sidewinder Strategic
> Commander and Windows XP Pro SP1.
>
> First, I tried to connect it to an USB port but it was not detected.
> Actually, no lights turned on, and not even the traybar showed any new
> hardware connection.
>
> So... what did I do in order to have it detected by Windows XP?
>
> STEP 1. DELETED ALL GHOST DEVICES
>
> (With my joystick plugged in)
> I restarted my computer and booted in Safe Mode. I entered the Device
> Manager and deleted every entry that looked like Sidewinder Strategic
> Commander.
> I repeated this procedure for those entries under (sic) "Games, media
> and sound" branch and USB devices.
> Then, I turned off my computer.
>
> STEP 2. REINSTALL
>
> (With my joystick plugged off)
> Restarted my computer, booted in Normal mode.
> When Windows was fully loaded and I was back at the Desktop, I plugged
> in my joystick. I don't remember having Windows detect anything.
> However, without giving away my hopes, I went to the CP and then hit
> the Game devices icon.
> Clicked Add and selected Microsoft Sidewinder (Autodetect), hit OK. An
> "Microsoft Sidewinder Pro joystick" was added to the list.
> I restarted my computer. However, no lights were turned on... back on
> Windows 98, everytime I restarted my computer, the lights used to turn
> on.
>
> I tried to use my joystick but I couldn't get it to work on any game...
> and the Sidewinder Pro layout is nothing like ...
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Unfortunately, I don't have the CD and they don't have any stock to
> replace Sidewinder 4.0 drivers, here, in Latin America.
> I tried to download a SW 4.0 I found on DriverGuide... however, the
> setup was for Sidewinder Gamepad Pro...
>
> I'm not sure if SW4.0 was designed to be a generic driver or if every
> USB joystick had their own modified SW4.0 driver version... after
> installing it, nothing happened.
>
> I read (on other site):
> -To program the buttons for a particular game, Press the REC button and
> press any key to configure the devices on the fly. -
>
> Too bad it's not working :(
>
> Am I missing something? I tested my joystick on a Win98 computer and it
> worked just fine. It's becoming really frustrating and I'm really
> disappointed at Microsoft for not having any SW4 downloads on their
> site and just a few KB articles on Strategic Commander.
>
> A friend of mine has the CD that came with his own Sidewinder Strategic
> Commander... SW 4.0 for WinXP (actually, for Win2k) designed for
> Strategic Commander should be on it, right?
>
>
> Help please.
>
>
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Luxtr
07-09-2005, 09:40 PM
Hi Joshua,

Thanks for answering my concern.
I'll try to update my VIA 4in1 drivers to check if it works and once I
have Windows recognize it as a Strategic Commander, I'll try to get the
scheme editor which is on the CD.


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Luxtr
07-09-2005, 09:40 PM
it's me... again :P

Unfortunately, won't have any luck with the 4in1 update. My motherboard
is an Intel D865GBF... I couldn't find any chipset update for my mobo,
and then I found this:

"INF: Intel® Chipset Software Installation Utility"
Description: This utility installs INF files that inform the operating
system how to properly configure the chipset for specific functionality
such as USB and AGP.

I'm not sure if I need to install this update.

So far I tried the following...
(the joystick was plugged in)
On my father's computer, which has the same hardware configuration as
mine, I had my friend's CD copied and installed the SW 4.0 software on
the computer. The setup ended OK, and then I went to Game Devices,
added a "Microsoft Sidewinder (Autodetect)" device... a "Microsoft
Sidewinder 3D Pro" was added to the list... it said it was "Not
connected".

Restarted the computer and still, when I tried to run the Strategic
Commander Scheme editor, nothing came up. No lights were turned on, and
didn't feel like installing any game to test it.

Reinstalled the software and then, an error msg came up: "the system
cannot detect your SideWinder Strategic Commander (...)". Clicked OK,
launched the software again and nothing happened... I tried to
reinstall it but nothing happened.

However...

1. Should my stategy joystick have its lights turned on when I turn on
my PC?

2 And... eventually, after updating my USB controller, will Windows
list my Strategic Commander as a MS Sidewinder Stategic Commander in
Game Devices list?

Because I got into this MS KB Article:
Strategic Commander: Device Does Not Appear in Game Controllers Tool in
Control Panel - http://support.microsoft.com/kb/274401

But since it looks like a Win9x-Me article, I'm not sure if this thing
goes for WinXP, because I remember having my Strategic Commander listed
under Mouse/Keyboard instead of Game controllers (in Device Admin, on
Windows 98 SE) but had no experience on WinXP :p

Well... that's pretty much it.

I'll appreciate any help. Thanks again,
Lux.


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Jimmy S.
07-09-2005, 09:40 PM
"Luxtr" <Luxtr.1plqaz@DoNotSpam.com> wrote in message news:Luxtr.1plqaz@DoNotSpam.com...
|
| it's me... again :P
|
| Unfortunately, won't have any luck with the 4in1 update. My motherboard
| is an Intel D865GBF... I couldn't find any chipset update for my mobo,
| and then I found this:
|
| "INF: Intel® Chipset Software Installation Utility"
| Description: This utility installs INF files that inform the operating
| system how to properly configure the chipset for specific functionality
| such as USB and AGP.
|
| I'm not sure if I need to install this update.
|
| So far I tried the following...
| (the joystick was plugged in)
| On my father's computer, which has the same hardware configuration as
| mine, I had my friend's CD copied and installed the SW 4.0 software on
| the computer. The setup ended OK, and then I went to Game Devices,
| added a "Microsoft Sidewinder (Autodetect)" device... a "Microsoft
| Sidewinder 3D Pro" was added to the list... it said it was "Not
| connected".
|
| Restarted the computer and still, when I tried to run the Strategic
| Commander Scheme editor, nothing came up. No lights were turned on, and
| didn't feel like installing any game to test it.
|
| Reinstalled the software and then, an error msg came up: "the system
| cannot detect your SideWinder Strategic Commander (...)". Clicked OK,
| launched the software again and nothing happened... I tried to
| reinstall it but nothing happened.
|
| However...
|
| 1. Should my stategy joystick have its lights turned on when I turn on
| my PC?
|
| 2 And... eventually, after updating my USB controller, will Windows
| list my Strategic Commander as a MS Sidewinder Stategic Commander in
| Game Devices list?
|
| Because I got into this MS KB Article:
| Strategic Commander: Device Does Not Appear in Game Controllers Tool in
| Control Panel - http://support.microsoft.com/kb/274401
|
| But since it looks like a Win9x-Me article, I'm not sure if this thing
| goes for WinXP, because I remember having my Strategic Commander listed
| under Mouse/Keyboard instead of Game controllers (in Device Admin, on
| Windows 98 SE) but had no experience on WinXP :p
|
| Well... that's pretty much it.
|
| I'll appreciate any help. Thanks again,
| Lux.
|
|
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Hi Luxtr,

Installing the USB chipset update utility you located at Intel's site is consistent
with the recommendation Joshua gave you previously in this newsgroup thread.

Hopefully that will resolve the main issue. Please report back with the results.

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Joshua Smith [MSFT]
07-09-2005, 09:40 PM
HI Lux,

Yes, make sure your USB controller is setup correctly with any fixes
there might be. You could also consider purchasing a separate USB controller
to test with. If you find somewhere good you might be able to purchase one
to test with and return it when you are done. You won't have to add it using
the Add... button in Gaming Options either. That is for the gamepart devices
since they don't PnP. Under normal conditons your device will PnP and should
light up the buttons that are configured when it is detected. Have you by
chance tried your device on your friends system? Presuming his Commander
works on his system that would tell you if for some reason yours was just
out right broken.

Joshua Smith
OpenGL Test Lab
Microsoft
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"Jimmy S." <nosp@m.pls> wrote in message
news:e4xoMXXYFHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>
> "Luxtr" <Luxtr.1plqaz@DoNotSpam.com> wrote in message
> news:Luxtr.1plqaz@DoNotSpam.com...
> |
> | it's me... again :P
> |
> | Unfortunately, won't have any luck with the 4in1 update. My motherboard
> | is an Intel D865GBF... I couldn't find any chipset update for my mobo,
> | and then I found this:
> |
> | "INF: Intel® Chipset Software Installation Utility"
> | Description: This utility installs INF files that inform the operating
> | system how to properly configure the chipset for specific functionality
> | such as USB and AGP.
> |
> | I'm not sure if I need to install this update.
> |
> | So far I tried the following...
> | (the joystick was plugged in)
> | On my father's computer, which has the same hardware configuration as
> | mine, I had my friend's CD copied and installed the SW 4.0 software on
> | the computer. The setup ended OK, and then I went to Game Devices,
> | added a "Microsoft Sidewinder (Autodetect)" device... a "Microsoft
> | Sidewinder 3D Pro" was added to the list... it said it was "Not
> | connected".
> |
> | Restarted the computer and still, when I tried to run the Strategic
> | Commander Scheme editor, nothing came up. No lights were turned on, and
> | didn't feel like installing any game to test it.
> |
> | Reinstalled the software and then, an error msg came up: "the system
> | cannot detect your SideWinder Strategic Commander (...)". Clicked OK,
> | launched the software again and nothing happened... I tried to
> | reinstall it but nothing happened.
> |
> | However...
> |
> | 1. Should my stategy joystick have its lights turned on when I turn on
> | my PC?
> |
> | 2 And... eventually, after updating my USB controller, will Windows
> | list my Strategic Commander as a MS Sidewinder Stategic Commander in
> | Game Devices list?
> |
> | Because I got into this MS KB Article:
> | Strategic Commander: Device Does Not Appear in Game Controllers Tool in
> | Control Panel - http://support.microsoft.com/kb/274401
> |
> | But since it looks like a Win9x-Me article, I'm not sure if this thing
> | goes for WinXP, because I remember having my Strategic Commander listed
> | under Mouse/Keyboard instead of Game controllers (in Device Admin, on
> | Windows 98 SE) but had no experience on WinXP :p
> |
> | Well... that's pretty much it.
> |
> | I'll appreciate any help. Thanks again,
> | Lux.
> |
> |
> | --
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> |
>
> Hi Luxtr,
>
> Installing the USB chipset update utility you located at Intel's site is
> consistent
> with the recommendation Joshua gave you previously in this newsgroup
> thread.
>
> Hopefully that will resolve the main issue. Please report back with the
> results.
>
> --
> Cheers, Windows XP MVP Shell / User
> Jimmy S. http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>
> Visit my MSN Zone.com and Gaming Help Site: http://mvps.org/nibblesnbits
> MS Games Help and Support Center: http://support.microsoft.com/?pr=gms
> My advice is donated "AS IS" without warranty; nor do I confer any
> rights.
> _________________________________________________________
>
>


Re: SIDEWINDER STRATEGIC COMMANDER