Help with SP 2



JL
07-10-2005, 01:16 AM
Hi,
My name is Barry. I have Windows XP Home edition SP 1. 2.4 GHz Pentium 4
processor, 1 gig memory.

When Win XP SP 2 first came out I let the automatic update download and
install the service pack. This was about a year ago, maybe a little less.
Anyway with SP 2 installed it totally destroyed my computer.

It was stuck in a reboot loop. I could not stop the loop. To make a long
story short I finally had to reformat and start over as a last resort. Good
thing I believe in keeping backups of my files.

Anyway I would like to take advantage of the new service pack. But needless
to say I am concerned that it will cause a crash again.

Has there been any improvements made to the SP to prevent problems?

Should I just leave well enough alone?

Is there any suggestions anyone can give me on installing SP 2 to avoid
problems?

Any thoughts would be helpful.

Thanks

Carey Frisch [MVP]
07-10-2005, 01:16 AM
What to Know Before You Download and Install Windows XP Service Pack 2
http://www.microsoft.com/windo­wsxp/sp2/sp2_whattoknow.mspx

Windows XP Service Pack 2 Checklist
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spackins.htm

[Courtesy of MS-MVP Jupiter Jones]

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Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User
Microsoft Newsgroups

Get Windows XP Service Pack 2 with Advanced Security Technologies:
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/windowsxp/choose.mspx

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"JL" wrote:

| Hi,
| My name is Barry. I have Windows XP Home edition SP 1. 2.4 GHz Pentium 4
| processor, 1 gig memory.
|
| When Win XP SP 2 first came out I let the automatic update download and
| install the service pack. This was about a year ago, maybe a little less.
| Anyway with SP 2 installed it totally destroyed my computer.
|
| It was stuck in a reboot loop. I could not stop the loop. To make a long
| story short I finally had to reformat and start over as a last resort. Good
| thing I believe in keeping backups of my files.
|
| Anyway I would like to take advantage of the new service pack. But needless
| to say I am concerned that it will cause a crash again.
|
| Has there been any improvements made to the SP to prevent problems?
|
| Should I just leave well enough alone?
|
| Is there any suggestions anyone can give me on installing SP 2 to avoid
| problems?
|
| Any thoughts would be helpful.
|
| Thanks

Shenan Stanley
07-10-2005, 01:16 AM
JL wrote:
> My name is Barry. I have Windows XP Home edition SP 1. 2.4 GHz
> Pentium 4 processor, 1 gig memory.

Hello Barry. My name is Shenan.

> When Win XP SP 2 first came out I let the automatic update download
> and install the service pack. This was about a year ago, maybe a
> little less. Anyway with SP 2 installed it totally destroyed my
> computer.

That sucks. Did you properly prepare for the install? Did you try and
troubleshoot after the problem occurred? What did you do?

What to Know Before You Download and Install Windows XP Service Pack 2
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/sp2/sp2_whattoknow.mspx

> It was stuck in a reboot loop. I could not stop the loop. To make a
> long story short I finally had to reformat and start over as a last
> resort. Good thing I believe in keeping backups of my files.

Good on the backups, bad on the format/install. Likely a driver issue or
something.

> Anyway I would like to take advantage of the new service pack. But
> needless to say I am concerned that it will cause a crash again.

If you properly prepare - no, it should not cause trouble. It will take
some time to properly prepare, but in the end you have a better system and
more knowledge about how to properly maintain it. Fair trade, if you ask
me.

> Has there been any improvements made to the SP to prevent problems?

SP2 in August is SP2 now. If it had changed, there would have been a change
in the name (for example, when MS JVM was taken out of SP1, you got SP1a.)

> Should I just leave well enough alone?

You will get some discussion on this one - maybe (if everyone is not burned
out on the whole thing - but they seem to be able to discuss licensing to no
end, why would SP2 be different? heh)

My opinion - no - not in this case. SP2 adds a lot of useful differences
and security enhancements.

Let's make sure we have the same notes of reasons given
to patch with SP2..

(Also, I would recommend either getting the free CD or downloading
the entire SP2 install file.)

First, there is of course Microsoft's own "Top 10" list of reasons:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/sp2/topten.mspx

Well, that's a pretty generalized list.. but this ones gives you a more
detailed version..
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/sp2/features.mspx

And then going another level and explain the specific "additions" to Windows
XP that SP2 provides...
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/sp2/technologiesoverview.mspx

You may want to read this article as well:
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1724107,00.asp

If I was to give one personal reason for someone to upgrade to SP2, it would
be simple.. Stay up to date. If you do not stay ahead of those who would
just as well ruin your computer as anything else, then you are inviting them
in. Sooner or later (September 17, 2006 or so) support for your OS will be
terminated, and while you believe (and you are likely correct) you do not
use the support from Microsoft, you do in a way by applying patches - and
many patches will begin requiring SP2 to install..

But - you don't HAVE to upgrade.. It's not my responsibility to convince you
(or really anyone's) to upgrade. If you feel you are safe, then there will
be no changing your mind anyway. All I can do is tell you that it's not a
bad thing to upgrade, you do get improved security and functionaility (for
free) that many would PAY for when it comes to other operating systems. You
should prepare your system for the worse *if* you decide to upgrade - as
things can and do go wrong with major upgrades all the time, don't be a
victim either way.

> Is there any suggestions anyone can give me on installing SP 2 to
> avoid problems?

The above link gives you a starting point. You want to run several
different AntiSpyware applications, a couple of different AntiVirus
applications, upgrade your hardware drivers to the latest versions available
from each respective manufacturer web page, check each software package you
have/use for patches and install those, check if your motherboard BIOS needs
an upgrade, uninstall unused applications from Add/Remove programs, chkdsk
your hard drive, defragment your hard drive and backup your importand
documents, pictures, email, contacts and other data/non-recoverable
information (an imaging application to an external hard drive or a networked
system is ideal.) Then - download the full version of SP2 and install it.

Direct Download of Service Pack 2 (SP2) for Windows XP
http://snipurl.com/8bqy

Order the Free Windows XP SP2 CD
http://snipurl.com/8umo

Protect your PC
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/

I have a whole list of tips for people to follow - but lately people have
been a bit prickly about me posting the thing in its entirity - so.. If you
want it, just email me or seach the newsgroups for my name.. =)

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--

Raztax
07-10-2005, 01:16 AM
A LOT of the time when people have problems installing service pack 2,
it is because of outdated drivers. I know if I dont have the latest via
drivers installed, SP2 will make my pc bluescreen whenever I try to
access the cd-rom drive.
Your pc needs to be spyware and virus clean with the latest updates for
your hardware and software installed.

P.S.- if you have a retail copy of windows xp, then a lot of the time,
those reboot loops can be fixed, usually by running a chkdsk /r from
recovery console.

bumtracks
07-10-2005, 01:16 AM
slipstream it and do the format / new install

"JL" <FakeAddress@TiredOfSpam.com> wrote in message
news:%23%23qYsEiaFHA.3572@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Hi,
> My name is Barry. I have Windows XP Home edition SP 1. 2.4 GHz Pentium 4
> processor, 1 gig memory.
>
> When Win XP SP 2 first came out I let the automatic update download and
> install the service pack. This was about a year ago, maybe a little less.
> Anyway with SP 2 installed it totally destroyed my computer.
>
> It was stuck in a reboot loop. I could not stop the loop. To make a long
> story short I finally had to reformat and start over as a last resort.
> Good
> thing I believe in keeping backups of my files.
>
> Anyway I would like to take advantage of the new service pack. But
> needless
> to say I am concerned that it will cause a crash again.
>
> Has there been any improvements made to the SP to prevent problems?
>
> Should I just leave well enough alone?
>
> Is there any suggestions anyone can give me on installing SP 2 to avoid
> problems?
>
> Any thoughts would be helpful.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>

JL
07-10-2005, 01:21 AM
Shenan,

After the crash I spent 6 hours on the phone with Microsoft trying to repair
the problem. They could not get it to work correctly. It was Microsoft
that said the only thing left I could do was to reformat and start over.

I agree that a complete reformat is the last resort but when Microsoft could
not figure it out, what else could I do?

I agree with you that there are major improvements over SP1. But If it
crashes every time I try to install it what good is SP2? By the way 99% of
my programs are Microsoft Programs.

Anyway, You did say you had a list of checks to do before updating. I
really hate to post my correct e-mail address because of the amount of spam
I receive when doing so. Is there a way I can contact you off the newsgroup
so I can give you my address?

Thanks Barry

"Shenan Stanley" <newshelper@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23rGTJbiaFHA.2996@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> JL wrote:
> > My name is Barry. I have Windows XP Home edition SP 1. 2.4 GHz
> > Pentium 4 processor, 1 gig memory.
>
> Hello Barry. My name is Shenan.
>
> > When Win XP SP 2 first came out I let the automatic update download
> > and install the service pack. This was about a year ago, maybe a
> > little less. Anyway with SP 2 installed it totally destroyed my
> > computer.
>
> That sucks. Did you properly prepare for the install? Did you try and
> troubleshoot after the problem occurred? What did you do?
>
> What to Know Before You Download and Install Windows XP Service Pack 2
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/sp2/sp2_whattoknow.mspx
>
> > It was stuck in a reboot loop. I could not stop the loop. To make a
> > long story short I finally had to reformat and start over as a last
> > resort. Good thing I believe in keeping backups of my files.
>
> Good on the backups, bad on the format/install. Likely a driver issue or
> something.
>
> > Anyway I would like to take advantage of the new service pack. But
> > needless to say I am concerned that it will cause a crash again.
>
> If you properly prepare - no, it should not cause trouble. It will take
> some time to properly prepare, but in the end you have a better system and
> more knowledge about how to properly maintain it. Fair trade, if you ask
> me.
>
> > Has there been any improvements made to the SP to prevent problems?
>
> SP2 in August is SP2 now. If it had changed, there would have been a
change
> in the name (for example, when MS JVM was taken out of SP1, you got SP1a.)
>
> > Should I just leave well enough alone?
>
> You will get some discussion on this one - maybe (if everyone is not
burned
> out on the whole thing - but they seem to be able to discuss licensing to
no
> end, why would SP2 be different? heh)
>
> My opinion - no - not in this case. SP2 adds a lot of useful differences
> and security enhancements.
>
> Let's make sure we have the same notes of reasons given
> to patch with SP2..
>
> (Also, I would recommend either getting the free CD or downloading
> the entire SP2 install file.)
>
> First, there is of course Microsoft's own "Top 10" list of reasons:
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/sp2/topten.mspx
>
> Well, that's a pretty generalized list.. but this ones gives you a more
> detailed version..
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/sp2/features.mspx
>
> And then going another level and explain the specific "additions" to
Windows
> XP that SP2 provides...
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/sp2/technologiesoverview.mspx
>
> You may want to read this article as well:
> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1724107,00.asp
>
> If I was to give one personal reason for someone to upgrade to SP2, it
would
> be simple.. Stay up to date. If you do not stay ahead of those who would
> just as well ruin your computer as anything else, then you are inviting
them
> in. Sooner or later (September 17, 2006 or so) support for your OS will
be
> terminated, and while you believe (and you are likely correct) you do not
> use the support from Microsoft, you do in a way by applying patches - and
> many patches will begin requiring SP2 to install..
>
> But - you don't HAVE to upgrade.. It's not my responsibility to convince
you
> (or really anyone's) to upgrade. If you feel you are safe, then there
will
> be no changing your mind anyway. All I can do is tell you that it's not a
> bad thing to upgrade, you do get improved security and functionaility (for
> free) that many would PAY for when it comes to other operating systems.
You
> should prepare your system for the worse *if* you decide to upgrade - as
> things can and do go wrong with major upgrades all the time, don't be a
> victim either way.
>
> > Is there any suggestions anyone can give me on installing SP 2 to
> > avoid problems?
>
> The above link gives you a starting point. You want to run several
> different AntiSpyware applications, a couple of different AntiVirus
> applications, upgrade your hardware drivers to the latest versions
available
> from each respective manufacturer web page, check each software package
you
> have/use for patches and install those, check if your motherboard BIOS
needs
> an upgrade, uninstall unused applications from Add/Remove programs, chkdsk
> your hard drive, defragment your hard drive and backup your importand
> documents, pictures, email, contacts and other data/non-recoverable
> information (an imaging application to an external hard drive or a
networked
> system is ideal.) Then - download the full version of SP2 and install it.
>
> Direct Download of Service Pack 2 (SP2) for Windows XP
> http://snipurl.com/8bqy
>
> Order the Free Windows XP SP2 CD
> http://snipurl.com/8umo
>
> Protect your PC
> http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/
>
> I have a whole list of tips for people to follow - but lately people have
> been a bit prickly about me posting the thing in its entirity - so.. If
you
> want it, just email me or seach the newsgroups for my name.. =)
>
> --
> Shenan Stanley
> MS-MVP
> --
>
>

Shenan Stanley
07-10-2005, 01:21 AM
JL wrote:
> Anyway, You did say you had a list of checks to do before updating.
> I really hate to post my correct e-mail address because of the amount
> of spam I receive when doing so. Is there a way I can contact you
> off the newsgroup so I can give you my address?

Reply instead of Reply to Group..
The email I post with works.

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
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