Multiboot Single Copy of Win XP



AWU
07-10-2005, 01:08 AM
I would like to set up my computer as a multiboot system using my
(single) copy of Windows XP Home. That is, I want to have several
partitions on my drive, each containing Win XP Home – each installation
will be tweaked for a specific task or environment. I know that others
have done this successfully, I’m just wondering what difficulties to
expect or how the procedure might differ from setting up a “traditional”
multiboot system that uses different operating systems. The main problem
I am anticipating is the Product Activation, as I don’t think it will
like this arrangement. I did Google for tips/info but didn’t find as
much as I had hoped for.

Thanks to any who can help.

Al

Mike Brannigan [MSFT]
07-10-2005, 01:08 AM
"AWU" <awu_nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:z66ke.1897$Ot6.159120@news20.bellglobal.com...
>I would like to set up my computer as a multiboot system using my (single)
>copy of Windows XP Home. That is, I want to have several partitions on my
>drive, each containing Win XP Home – each installation will be tweaked for
>a specific task or environment. I know that others have done this
>successfully, I’m just wondering what difficulties to expect or how the
>procedure might differ from setting up a “traditional” multiboot system
>that uses different operating systems. The main problem I am anticipating
>is the Product Activation, as I don’t think it will like this arrangement.
>I did Google for tips/info but didn’t find as much as I had hoped for.

Initial problem is that installing the copy of Windows XP more then once
requires additional licenses.
See the End User License Agreement (EULA) for complete details of your usage
rights under the License you agreed to abide by when you installed the PC or
completed setup etc.
You can view the EULA anytime by clicking the link on Start ... Run ...
winver

I have copied a fragment of the relevant section below.


1. GRANT OF LICENSE. Microsoft grants you the following rights
provided that you comply with all terms and conditions of
this EULA:

* Installation and use. You may install, use, access,
display and run one copy of the Product on a single
computer, such as a workstation, terminal or other device
("Workstation Computer").

Additional installs will require additional licenses.


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Mike
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"AWU" <awu_nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:z66ke.1897$Ot6.159120@news20.bellglobal.com...
>I would like to set up my computer as a multiboot system using my (single)
>copy of Windows XP Home. That is, I want to have several partitions on my
>drive, each containing Win XP Home – each installation will be tweaked for
>a specific task or environment. I know that others have done this
>successfully, I’m just wondering what difficulties to expect or how the
>procedure might differ from setting up a “traditional” multiboot system
>that uses different operating systems. The main problem I am anticipating
>is the Product Activation, as I don’t think it will like this arrangement.
>I did Google for tips/info but didn’t find as much as I had hoped for.
>
> Thanks to any who can help.
>
> Al

M
07-10-2005, 01:08 AM
You wont have any problems with product activation because you will be
activating on the same hardware. You could instead clone a single install
activated install adjusting the boot.ini file for each install, then you
will only have to activate once.
There is some difference of opinion as to whether this is within the
license. I actually phoned up to activate one of my installations and was
assured that you can load the same copy of XP on the same PC as many times
as you like including simultaneous installs. However there are many that
say that each simultaneous install on the same PC requires a separate
licence. As far as I am concerned as I can only boot into one installation
at any one time then one license will do!

"AWU" <awu_nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:z66ke.1897$Ot6.159120@news20.bellglobal.com...
>I would like to set up my computer as a multiboot system using my (single)
>copy of Windows XP Home. That is, I want to have several partitions on my
>drive, each containing Win XP Home – each installation will be tweaked for
>a specific task or environment. I know that others have done this
>successfully, I’m just wondering what difficulties to expect or how the
>procedure might differ from setting up a “traditional” multiboot system
>that uses different operating systems. The main problem I am anticipating
>is the Product Activation, as I don’t think it will like this arrangement.
>I did Google for tips/info but didn’t find as much as I had hoped for.
>
> Thanks to any who can help.
>
> Al

Rick \Nutcase\ Rogers
07-10-2005, 01:08 AM
Hi AWU,

> I would like to set up my computer as a multiboot system using my
> (single) copy of Windows XP Home. That is, I want to have several
> partitions on my drive, each containing Win XP Home ? each installation
> will be tweaked for a specific task or environment. I know that others
> have done this successfully, I?m just wondering what difficulties to
> expect or how the procedure might differ from setting up a ?traditional?
> multiboot system that uses different operating systems. The main problem
> I am anticipating is the Product Activation, as I don?t think it will
> like this arrangement. I did Google for tips/info but didn?t find as
> much as I had hoped for.
>
> Thanks to any who can help.
>
> Al

The license agreement (EULA) allows for only instance of the installation on
one system, but it would be impossible to detect and enforce. As you will
be reactivating on the same hardware, that should not be an issue - though
you may run up against a problem with multiple activations in a short time
period and have to phone it in.

My only thought is: Why? You can use different hardware profiles, different
user accounts, etc. What is it about a multiboot that makes it a more
attractive alternative?

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
Associate Expert - WindowsXP Expert Zone
www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Windows help - www.rickrogers.org

kurttrail
07-10-2005, 01:08 AM
Mike Brannigan [MSFT] wrote:

> Initial problem is that installing the copy of Windows XP more then
> once requires additional licenses.
> See the End User License Agreement (EULA) for complete details of
> your usage rights under the License you agreed to abide by when you
> installed the PC or completed setup etc.
> You can view the EULA anytime by clicking the link on Start ... Run
> ... winver
>
> I have copied a fragment of the relevant section below.
>
>
> 1. GRANT OF LICENSE. Microsoft grants you the following rights
> provided that you comply with all terms and conditions of
> this EULA:
>
> * Installation and use. You may install, use, access,
> display and run one copy of the Product on a single
> computer, such as a workstation, terminal or other device
> ("Workstation Computer").
>
> Additional installs will require additional licenses.

Commercial use terms that aren't applicable to private non-commercial
use. MS has NO idea that someone has the some copy installed on the
same computer!

And besides that, your company would lose a lot of Beta-testers that
aren't gonna test your software on their mission-critical OS partition.

MS has NO idea that someone has the some copy installed on the same
computer,

Hell, you company even gives instructions on how to do parallel
installations on the same partition! And that would be two installs of
the same copy of an OS on the same computer!

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=266465

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;316941

Why do you bother Mike? It's not like anyone that hasn't drank the
MicroKoolAid is gonna believe you, with your obvious conflict of
interest!

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Mike Brannigan [MSFT]
07-10-2005, 01:08 AM
"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in message
news:%23am1EexXFHA.3188@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Mike Brannigan [MSFT] wrote:
>
>> Initial problem is that installing the copy of Windows XP more then
>> once requires additional licenses.
>> See the End User License Agreement (EULA) for complete details of
>> your usage rights under the License you agreed to abide by when you
>> installed the PC or completed setup etc.
>> You can view the EULA anytime by clicking the link on Start ... Run
>> ... winver
>>
>> I have copied a fragment of the relevant section below.
>>
>>
>> 1. GRANT OF LICENSE. Microsoft grants you the following rights
>> provided that you comply with all terms and conditions of
>> this EULA:
>>
>> * Installation and use. You may install, use, access,
>> display and run one copy of the Product on a single
>> computer, such as a workstation, terminal or other device
>> ("Workstation Computer").
>>
>> Additional installs will require additional licenses.
>
> Commercial use terms that aren't applicable to private non-commercial use.
> MS has NO idea that someone has the some copy installed on the same
> computer!
>
> And besides that, your company would lose a lot of Beta-testers that
> aren't gonna test your software on their mission-critical OS partition.
>
> MS has NO idea that someone has the some copy installed on the same
> computer,
>
> Hell, you company even gives instructions on how to do parallel
> installations on the same partition! And that would be two installs of
> the same copy of an OS on the same computer!
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=266465
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;316941
>
> Why do you bother Mike? It's not like anyone that hasn't drank the
> MicroKoolAid is gonna believe you, with your obvious conflict of interest!
>

Beta testing licenses for our products carry different conditions.
As regards our KB articles at no time do they suggest you breach the
licensing agreement to do the multiple installs.
The end user agrees to be bound by the EULA - if they do not then they press
the appropriate button and the setup will exit and they will not breach
their licensing.

--

Regards,

Mike
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"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in message
news:%23am1EexXFHA.3188@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Mike Brannigan [MSFT] wrote:
>
>> Initial problem is that installing the copy of Windows XP more then
>> once requires additional licenses.
>> See the End User License Agreement (EULA) for complete details of
>> your usage rights under the License you agreed to abide by when you
>> installed the PC or completed setup etc.
>> You can view the EULA anytime by clicking the link on Start ... Run
>> ... winver
>>
>> I have copied a fragment of the relevant section below.
>>
>>
>> 1. GRANT OF LICENSE. Microsoft grants you the following rights
>> provided that you comply with all terms and conditions of
>> this EULA:
>>
>> * Installation and use. You may install, use, access,
>> display and run one copy of the Product on a single
>> computer, such as a workstation, terminal or other device
>> ("Workstation Computer").
>>
>> Additional installs will require additional licenses.
>
> Commercial use terms that aren't applicable to private non-commercial use.
> MS has NO idea that someone has the some copy installed on the same
> computer!
>
> And besides that, your company would lose a lot of Beta-testers that
> aren't gonna test your software on their mission-critical OS partition.
>
> MS has NO idea that someone has the some copy installed on the same
> computer,
>
> Hell, you company even gives instructions on how to do parallel
> installations on the same partition! And that would be two installs of
> the same copy of an OS on the same computer!
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=266465
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;316941
>
> Why do you bother Mike? It's not like anyone that hasn't drank the
> MicroKoolAid is gonna believe you, with your obvious conflict of interest!
>
> --
> Peace!
> Kurt
> Self-anointed Moderator
> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
> http://microscum.com/mscommunity
> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"
>

kurttrail
07-10-2005, 01:08 AM
Mike Brannigan [MSFT] wrote:
> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
> message news:%23am1EexXFHA.3188@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> Mike Brannigan [MSFT] wrote:
>>
>>> Initial problem is that installing the copy of Windows XP more then
>>> once requires additional licenses.
>>> See the End User License Agreement (EULA) for complete details of
>>> your usage rights under the License you agreed to abide by when you
>>> installed the PC or completed setup etc.
>>> You can view the EULA anytime by clicking the link on Start ... Run
>>> ... winver
>>>
>>> I have copied a fragment of the relevant section below.
>>>
>>>
>>> 1. GRANT OF LICENSE. Microsoft grants you the following rights
>>> provided that you comply with all terms and conditions of
>>> this EULA:
>>>
>>> * Installation and use. You may install, use, access,
>>> display and run one copy of the Product on a single
>>> computer, such as a workstation, terminal or other device
>>> ("Workstation Computer").
>>>
>>> Additional installs will require additional licenses.
>>
>> Commercial use terms that aren't applicable to private
>> non-commercial use. MS has NO idea that someone has the some copy
>> installed on the same computer!
>>
>> And besides that, your company would lose a lot of Beta-testers that
>> aren't gonna test your software on their mission-critical OS
>> partition. MS has NO idea that someone has the some copy installed on
>> the same
>> computer,
>>
>> Hell, you company even gives instructions on how to do parallel
>> installations on the same partition! And that would be two installs
>> of the same copy of an OS on the same computer!
>>
>> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=266465
>>
>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;316941
>>
>> Why do you bother Mike? It's not like anyone that hasn't drank the
>> MicroKoolAid is gonna believe you, with your obvious conflict of
>> interest!
>
> Beta testing licenses for our products carry different conditions.

So, as an example, if I'm gonna be beta testing OneCare, that EULA is
gonna allow me to install Windows XP a second time on my PC?

> As regards our KB articles at no time do they suggest you breach the
> licensing agreement to do the multiple installs.

Yeah, they don't pay no mind to the EULA at all!

> The end user agrees to be bound by the EULA - if they do not then
> they press the appropriate button and the setup will exit and they
> will not breach their licensing.

It's been 13 years since MS added it's one computer term to a Windows
OS, and yet your company has yet to legally prove you have the right to
rewrite an individuals Right to "fair use."

Just because you repeat something over & over that you can not prove
doesn't mean a goddamned thing! MS, the company that cries "Wolf," but
can never prove it exists!

Get real, you conflict of interest, and your "As is" words show the
value of your words to anyone that hasn't drank the MicroKoolAid.

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"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

Mike Brannigan [MSFT]
07-10-2005, 01:09 AM
"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in message
news:%23ItayJyXFHA.3620@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>>

> So, as an example, if I'm gonna be beta testing OneCare, that EULA is
> gonna allow me to install Windows XP a second time on my PC?
>

No - you are going to understand that if you CHOOSE to Bet test a product
then you must meet the necessary OS licensing to allow you to perform the
testing as required.
If you cannot meet the requirements then you should not be testing.

>> As regards our KB articles at no time do they suggest you breach the
>> licensing agreement to do the multiple installs.
>
> Yeah, they don't pay no mind to the EULA at all!
>

Then they should be more careful.

>> The end user agrees to be bound by the EULA - if they do not then
>> they press the appropriate button and the setup will exit and they
>> will not breach their licensing.
>
> It's been 13 years since MS added it's one computer term to a Windows OS,
> and yet your company has yet to legally prove you have the right to
> rewrite an individuals Right to "fair use."
>
> Just because you repeat something over & over that you can not prove
> doesn't mean a goddamned thing! MS, the company that cries "Wolf," but
> can never prove it exists!
>
> Get real, you conflict of interest, and your "As is" words show the value
> of your words to anyone that hasn't drank the MicroKoolAid.
>

Nonsense, there is no conflict of interest.
The AS IS is a company requirement for my posting as a Microsoft employee.

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Mike
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"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in message
news:%23ItayJyXFHA.3620@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Mike Brannigan [MSFT] wrote:
>> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
>> message news:%23am1EexXFHA.3188@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>> Mike Brannigan [MSFT] wrote:
>>>
>>>> Initial problem is that installing the copy of Windows XP more then
>>>> once requires additional licenses.
>>>> See the End User License Agreement (EULA) for complete details of
>>>> your usage rights under the License you agreed to abide by when you
>>>> installed the PC or completed setup etc.
>>>> You can view the EULA anytime by clicking the link on Start ... Run
>>>> ... winver
>>>>
>>>> I have copied a fragment of the relevant section below.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1. GRANT OF LICENSE. Microsoft grants you the following rights
>>>> provided that you comply with all terms and conditions of
>>>> this EULA:
>>>>
>>>> * Installation and use. You may install, use, access,
>>>> display and run one copy of the Product on a single
>>>> computer, such as a workstation, terminal or other device
>>>> ("Workstation Computer").
>>>>
>>>> Additional installs will require additional licenses.
>>>
>>> Commercial use terms that aren't applicable to private
>>> non-commercial use. MS has NO idea that someone has the some copy
>>> installed on the same computer!
>>>
>>> And besides that, your company would lose a lot of Beta-testers that
>>> aren't gonna test your software on their mission-critical OS
>>> partition. MS has NO idea that someone has the some copy installed on
>>> the same
>>> computer,
>>>
>>> Hell, you company even gives instructions on how to do parallel
>>> installations on the same partition! And that would be two installs
>>> of the same copy of an OS on the same computer!
>>>
>>> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=266465
>>>
>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;316941
>>>
>>> Why do you bother Mike? It's not like anyone that hasn't drank the
>>> MicroKoolAid is gonna believe you, with your obvious conflict of
>>> interest!
>>
>> Beta testing licenses for our products carry different conditions.
>
> So, as an example, if I'm gonna be beta testing OneCare, that EULA is
> gonna allow me to install Windows XP a second time on my PC?
>
>> As regards our KB articles at no time do they suggest you breach the
>> licensing agreement to do the multiple installs.
>
> Yeah, they don't pay no mind to the EULA at all!
>
>> The end user agrees to be bound by the EULA - if they do not then
>> they press the appropriate button and the setup will exit and they
>> will not breach their licensing.
>
> It's been 13 years since MS added it's one computer term to a Windows OS,
> and yet your company has yet to legally prove you have the right to
> rewrite an individuals Right to "fair use."
>
> Just because you repeat something over & over that you can not prove
> doesn't mean a goddamned thing! MS, the company that cries "Wolf," but
> can never prove it exists!
>
> Get real, you conflict of interest, and your "As is" words show the value
> of your words to anyone that hasn't drank the MicroKoolAid.
>
> --
> Peace!
> Kurt
> Self-anointed Moderator
> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
> http://microscum.com/mscommunity
> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"
>

kurttrail
07-10-2005, 01:09 AM
Mike Brannigan [MSFT] wrote:
> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
> message news:%23ItayJyXFHA.3620@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>
>> So, as an example, if I'm gonna be beta testing OneCare, that EULA is
>> gonna allow me to install Windows XP a second time on my PC?
>>
>
> No - you are going to understand that if you CHOOSE to Bet test a
> product then you must meet the necessary OS licensing to allow you to
> perform the testing as required.
> If you cannot meet the requirements then you should not be testing.

LOL! I didn't think so, and if MS expects its beta testers to buy
another copy of their OS to beta their other software products MS would
be shooting itself in its foot!


>>> As regards our KB articles at no time do they suggest you breach the
>>> licensing agreement to do the multiple installs.
>>
>> Yeah, they don't pay no mind to the EULA at all!
>>
>
> Then they should be more careful.

ROFL! Tell it to the KB article writers!

>
>>> The end user agrees to be bound by the EULA - if they do not then
>>> they press the appropriate button and the setup will exit and they
>>> will not breach their licensing.
>>
>> It's been 13 years since MS added it's one computer term to a
>> Windows OS, and yet your company has yet to legally prove you have
>> the right to rewrite an individuals Right to "fair use."
>>
>> Just because you repeat something over & over that you can not prove
>> doesn't mean a goddamned thing! MS, the company that cries "Wolf,"
>> but can never prove it exists!
>>
>> Get real, you conflict of interest, and your "As is" words show the
>> value of your words to anyone that hasn't drank the MicroKoolAid.
>>
>
> Nonsense, there is no conflict of interest.

Please! That would be like me saying I'm not a male!

> The AS IS is a company requirement for my posting as a Microsoft
> employee.


And you have to obey or lose your job. Hence the conflict of interest!

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Mike Brannigan [MSFT]
07-10-2005, 01:09 AM
"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in message
news:OsPdiF2XFHA.3840@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Mike Brannigan [MSFT] wrote:
>> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
>> message news:%23ItayJyXFHA.3620@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>>>>
>>
>>> So, as an example, if I'm gonna be beta testing OneCare, that EULA is
>>> gonna allow me to install Windows XP a second time on my PC?
>>>
>>
>> No - you are going to understand that if you CHOOSE to Bet test a
>> product then you must meet the necessary OS licensing to allow you to
>> perform the testing as required.
>> If you cannot meet the requirements then you should not be testing.
>
> LOL! I didn't think so, and if MS expects its beta testers to buy another
> copy of their OS to beta their other software products MS would be
> shooting itself in its foot!
>

The majority of our Beta testers are corporate employees and their test
machines and labs are covered under appropriate volume licensing agreements.
Other testers are covered under MSDN licensing. Those few single/home users
that choose to participate in Beta programs do so on the understanding that
they must meet the prerequisites for the program and that this may include
certain licensing issues.

>
>>>> As regards our KB articles at no time do they suggest you breach the
>>>> licensing agreement to do the multiple installs.
>>>
>>> Yeah, they don't pay no mind to the EULA at all!
>>>
>>
>> Then they should be more careful.
>
> ROFL! Tell it to the KB article writers!
>

As I said the KB makes no reference to the EULA - it does not need to, as it
is a technical article about how to do side by side installs etc. Just as
in the KB articles about doing installs we do not reiterate the EULA as in
both cases you will see it during your install and you should there fore it
and either accept it or not. There is an expectation on people that they
read information and documents before they sign it or agree to abide by it
etc.


>>
>>>> The end user agrees to be bound by the EULA - if they do not then
>>>> they press the appropriate button and the setup will exit and they
>>>> will not breach their licensing.
>>>
>>> It's been 13 years since MS added it's one computer term to a
>>> Windows OS, and yet your company has yet to legally prove you have
>>> the right to rewrite an individuals Right to "fair use."
>>>
>>> Just because you repeat something over & over that you can not prove
>>> doesn't mean a goddamned thing! MS, the company that cries "Wolf,"
>>> but can never prove it exists!
>>>
>>> Get real, you conflict of interest, and your "As is" words show the
>>> value of your words to anyone that hasn't drank the MicroKoolAid.
>>>
>>
>> Nonsense, there is no conflict of interest.
>
> Please! That would be like me saying I'm not a male!
>
>> The AS IS is a company requirement for my posting as a Microsoft
>> employee.
>
>
> And you have to obey or lose your job. Hence the conflict of interest!
>

I'm not sure why you seem to think there is a conflict of interests here? I
certainly don't have any.


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Regards,

Mike
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"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in message
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> Mike Brannigan [MSFT] wrote:
>> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
>> message news:%23ItayJyXFHA.3620@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>>>>
>>
>>> So, as an example, if I'm gonna be beta testing OneCare, that EULA is
>>> gonna allow me to install Windows XP a second time on my PC?
>>>
>>
>> No - you are going to understand that if you CHOOSE to Bet test a
>> product then you must meet the necessary OS licensing to allow you to
>> perform the testing as required.
>> If you cannot meet the requirements then you should not be testing.
>
> LOL! I didn't think so, and if MS expects its beta testers to buy another
> copy of their OS to beta their other software products MS would be
> shooting itself in its foot!
>
>
>>>> As regards our KB articles at no time do they suggest you breach the
>>>> licensing agreement to do the multiple installs.
>>>
>>> Yeah, they don't pay no mind to the EULA at all!
>>>
>>
>> Then they should be more careful.
>
> ROFL! Tell it to the KB article writers!
>
>>
>>>> The end user agrees to be bound by the EULA - if they do not then
>>>> they press the appropriate button and the setup will exit and they
>>>> will not breach their licensing.
>>>
>>> It's been 13 years since MS added it's one computer term to a
>>> Windows OS, and yet your company has yet to legally prove you have
>>> the right to rewrite an individuals Right to "fair use."
>>>
>>> Just because you repeat something over & over that you can not prove
>>> doesn't mean a goddamned thing! MS, the company that cries "Wolf,"
>>> but can never prove it exists!
>>>
>>> Get real, you conflict of interest, and your "As is" words show the
>>> value of your words to anyone that hasn't drank the MicroKoolAid.
>>>
>>
>> Nonsense, there is no conflict of interest.
>
> Please! That would be like me saying I'm not a male!
>
>> The AS IS is a company requirement for my posting as a Microsoft
>> employee.
>
>
> And you have to obey or lose your job. Hence the conflict of interest!
>
> --
> Peace!
> Kurt
> Self-anointed Moderator
> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
> http://microscum.com/mscommunity
> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"
>

kurttrail
07-10-2005, 01:09 AM
Mike Brannigan [MSFT] wrote:
> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
> message news:OsPdiF2XFHA.3840@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> Mike Brannigan [MSFT] wrote:
>>> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
>>> message news:%23ItayJyXFHA.3620@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>> So, as an example, if I'm gonna be beta testing OneCare, that EULA
>>>> is gonna allow me to install Windows XP a second time on my PC?
>>>>
>>>
>>> No - you are going to understand that if you CHOOSE to Bet test a
>>> product then you must meet the necessary OS licensing to allow you
>>> to perform the testing as required.
>>> If you cannot meet the requirements then you should not be testing.
>>
>> LOL! I didn't think so, and if MS expects its beta testers to buy
>> another copy of their OS to beta their other software products MS
>> would be shooting itself in its foot!
>>
>
> The majority of our Beta testers are corporate employees and their
> test machines and labs are covered under appropriate volume licensing
> agreements. Other testers are covered under MSDN licensing. Those
> few single/home users that choose to participate in Beta programs do
> so on the understanding that they must meet the prerequisites for the
> program and that this may include certain licensing issues.

You are fooling only yourself, if you believe that anyone is buying two
OSs for use on one machine to beta test your other software. I'll refer
you back to the post of Alex Nichol:

"And if you had to get a second license Microsoft would run very short
of testers." -
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg/d5f55eb1e291da11?hl=en

>
>>
>>>>> As regards our KB articles at no time do they suggest you breach
>>>>> the licensing agreement to do the multiple installs.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, they don't pay no mind to the EULA at all!
>>>>
>>>
>>> Then they should be more careful.
>>
>> ROFL! Tell it to the KB article writers!
>>
>
> As I said the KB makes no reference to the EULA - it does not need
> to, as it is a technical article about how to do side by side
> installs etc.

You didn't say that, Mike! What a revisionist you are!

You said, "Then they should be more careful." in response to my saying,
"Yeah, they don't pay no mind to the EULA at all!" which was a reponse
to you saying, "As regards our KB articles at no time do they suggest
you breach the licensing agreement to do the multiple installs."

Which I took to mean that you felt that they [the KB Articles] should be
more careful and mention the EULA.

> Just as in the KB articles about doing installs we do
> not reiterate the EULA as in both cases you will see it during your
> install and you should there fore it and either accept it or not.

And like I've said plenty of times in the past, people have EVERY right
to interpret the EULA as they see fit, and reject YOUR, YOUR COMPANIES
or anyone elses interpretation of it. MS is NOT the final authority on
the enforcability of your bloody EULA! As Alex said about installing
the same copy more than one on the same computer is "That is an
unresolved question."

Reasonable people can disagree with MS's interpretation of the EULA.

> There is an expectation on people that they read information and
> documents before they sign it or agree to abide by it etc.

LOL! And not everybody reading the EULA will agree on what it means.
And will accept the EULA based on their own interpretation!

>
>
>>>
>>>>> The end user agrees to be bound by the EULA - if they do not then
>>>>> they press the appropriate button and the setup will exit and they
>>>>> will not breach their licensing.
>>>>
>>>> It's been 13 years since MS added it's one computer term to a
>>>> Windows OS, and yet your company has yet to legally prove you have
>>>> the right to rewrite an individuals Right to "fair use."
>>>>
>>>> Just because you repeat something over & over that you can not
>>>> prove doesn't mean a goddamned thing! MS, the company that cries
>>>> "Wolf," but can never prove it exists!
>>>>
>>>> Get real, you conflict of interest, and your "As is" words show the
>>>> value of your words to anyone that hasn't drank the MicroKoolAid.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Nonsense, there is no conflict of interest.
>>
>> Please! That would be like me saying I'm not a male!
>>
>>> The AS IS is a company requirement for my posting as a Microsoft
>>> employee.
>>
>>
>> And you have to obey or lose your job. Hence the conflict of
>> interest!
>
> I'm not sure why you seem to think there is a conflict of interests
> here? I certainly don't have any.

ROFL! You certainly are stating you don't have any. As a MSFT employee
that is FORCED to add a disclaimer to every post you send to this group,
it is a reasonable assumption that you are totally conflicted.

--
Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.com/mscommunity
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

M
07-10-2005, 01:09 AM
If you read the license VERY carefully " Installation and use. You may
install ... one copy of the Product..." If you were to read this literally
then it would be illegal to even reinstall XP in the case of a trashed
operating system. This has to be open to interpretation because otherwise
reinstallation, which Microsoft clearly allow would also be illegal. The
only way this point this can ever be resolved would be for Microsoft to
clearly state precisely how this was meant to be interpreted. My guess is
that they probably couldn't care less about a few hobbyists with multiple
installs on a single machine.
I did a least buy my copy of XP which is more that can be said for many
people that I know!

"Mike Brannigan [MSFT]" <mikebran@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:O6jC4FxXFHA.3464@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> "AWU" <awu_nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:z66ke.1897$Ot6.159120@news20.bellglobal.com...
>>I would like to set up my computer as a multiboot system using my (single)
>>copy of Windows XP Home. That is, I want to have several partitions on my
>>drive, each containing Win XP Home - each installation will be tweaked for
>>a specific task or environment. I know that others have done this
>>successfully, I'm just wondering what difficulties to expect or how the
>>procedure might differ from setting up a "traditional" multiboot system
>>that uses different operating systems. The main problem I am anticipating
>>is the Product Activation, as I don't think it will like this arrangement.
>>I did Google for tips/info but didn't find as much as I had hoped for.
>
> Initial problem is that installing the copy of Windows XP more then once
> requires additional licenses.
> See the End User License Agreement (EULA) for complete details of your
> usage rights under the License you agreed to abide by when you installed
> the PC or completed setup etc.
> You can view the EULA anytime by clicking the link on Start ... Run ...
> winver
>
> I have copied a fragment of the relevant section below.
>
>
> 1. GRANT OF LICENSE. Microsoft grants you the following rights
> provided that you comply with all terms and conditions of
> this EULA:
>
> * Installation and use. You may install, use, access,
> display and run one copy of the Product on a single
> computer, such as a workstation, terminal or other device
> ("Workstation Computer").
>
> Additional installs will require additional licenses.
>
>
> --
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike
> --
> Mike Brannigan [Microsoft]
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights
>
> Please note I cannot respond to e-mailed questions, please use these
> newsgroups
>
> "AWU" <awu_nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:z66ke.1897$Ot6.159120@news20.bellglobal.com...
>>I would like to set up my computer as a multiboot system using my (single)
>>copy of Windows XP Home. That is, I want to have several partitions on my
>>drive, each containing Win XP Home - each installation will be tweaked for
>>a specific task or environment. I know that others have done this
>>successfully, I'm just wondering what difficulties to expect or how the
>>procedure might differ from setting up a "traditional" multiboot system
>>that uses different operating systems. The main problem I am anticipating
>>is the Product Activation, as I don't think it will like this arrangement.
>>I did Google for tips/info but didn't find as much as I had hoped for.
>>
>> Thanks to any who can help.
>>
>> Al
>
>


Multiboot Single Copy of Win XP