Looking for a keyboard with normal F-keys



Swingman
07-10-2005, 01:55 AM
I'm tired of my Logitech keyboard which always turns off the standard "F"
keys and defaults to proprietary functions. I've already tried the "pass
through" option, but it doesn't work in all cases so what would you
recommend? Does anyone make a multimedia keyboard like the Logitech
Navigator that has standard F-keys? I want a wired keyboard with a standard
PS2 plug so I can get into my BIOS settings when necessary. TIA

Jim Macklin
07-10-2005, 01:55 AM
Google'd for 104 keyboard and this was on the first page...
http://www.i-tech.com.au/products/3051_Standard_Windows_PS__2_104_Keyboard.asp


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"Swingman" <visaccoNoSpamPlease@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| I'm tired of my Logitech keyboard which always turns off
the standard "F"
| keys and defaults to proprietary functions. I've already
tried the "pass
| through" option, but it doesn't work in all cases so what
would you
| recommend? Does anyone make a multimedia keyboard like
the Logitech
| Navigator that has standard F-keys? I want a wired
keyboard with a standard
| PS2 plug so I can get into my BIOS settings when
necessary. TIA
|
|

swingman
07-10-2005, 01:55 AM
Thanks of the reply, but I should have been more specific. What I like
about the Logitech Navigator keyboard is it's scroll-wheel, email key that
opens Outlook Express, volume control keys, etc. I want these features
along with standard F keys.



"Jim Macklin" <p51mustang[threeX12]@xxxhotmail.calm> wrote in message
news:OaS17dVcFHA.3912@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> Google'd for 104 keyboard and this was on the first page...
>
> http://www.i-tech.com.au/products/3051_Standard_Windows_PS__2_104_Keyboard.asp
>
>
> --
> The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
> But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
> some support
> http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
>
>
>
> "Swingman" <visaccoNoSpamPlease@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:OdOZsPVcFHA.3404@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> | I'm tired of my Logitech keyboard which always turns off
> the standard "F"
> | keys and defaults to proprietary functions. I've already
> tried the "pass
> | through" option, but it doesn't work in all cases so what
> would you
> | recommend? Does anyone make a multimedia keyboard like
> the Logitech
> | Navigator that has standard F-keys? I want a wired
> keyboard with a standard
> | PS2 plug so I can get into my BIOS settings when
> necessary. TIA
> |
> |
>
>

Jim Macklin
07-10-2005, 01:55 AM
I bet Logitech will build you a keyboard exactly like you
want for less than $1,000,000.00


"swingman" <sbt@silcom.com> wrote in message
news:%23KK3LVbcFHA.2288@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
| Thanks of the reply, but I should have been more specific.
What I like
| about the Logitech Navigator keyboard is it's
scroll-wheel, email key that
| opens Outlook Express, volume control keys, etc. I want
these features
| along with standard F keys.
|
|
|
| "Jim Macklin" <p51mustang[threeX12]@xxxhotmail.calm> wrote
in message
| news:OaS17dVcFHA.3912@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
| > Google'd for 104 keyboard and this was on the first
page...
| >
| >
http://www.i-tech.com.au/products/3051_Standard_Windows_PS__2_104_Keyboard.asp
| >
| >
| > --
| > The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
| > But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
| > some support
| > http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
| >
| >
| >
| > "Swingman" <visaccoNoSpamPlease@yahoo.com> wrote in
message
| > news:OdOZsPVcFHA.3404@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
| > | I'm tired of my Logitech keyboard which always turns
off
| > the standard "F"
| > | keys and defaults to proprietary functions. I've
already
| > tried the "pass
| > | through" option, but it doesn't work in all cases so
what
| > would you
| > | recommend? Does anyone make a multimedia keyboard
like
| > the Logitech
| > | Navigator that has standard F-keys? I want a wired
| > keyboard with a standard
| > | PS2 plug so I can get into my BIOS settings when
| > necessary. TIA
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|

Richard Urban
07-10-2005, 01:55 AM
Unless you are capable of doing the design engineering and paying a small
fortune for someone to construct a prototype for you, you are pretty much
stuck. Google for keyboards and look at each and every suggestion that comes
up. There must be someone who makes exactly what you want.

--
Regards,

Richard Urban

If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!


"Swingman" <visaccoNoSpamPlease@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:OdOZsPVcFHA.3404@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> I'm tired of my Logitech keyboard which always turns off the standard "F"
> keys and defaults to proprietary functions. I've already tried the "pass
> through" option, but it doesn't work in all cases so what would you
> recommend? Does anyone make a multimedia keyboard like the Logitech
> Navigator that has standard F-keys? I want a wired keyboard with a
> standard PS2 plug so I can get into my BIOS settings when necessary. TIA
>

Yves Leclerc
07-10-2005, 01:55 AM
If you scan the windowxp.generat newsgroup, you should find a registry hack
that reverses the "F" keys. If you use it, the F keys work as they should
(ie: F1, F2...) when the default is used.

BTW: There is also a patch for those with Microsoft keyboards.


"Jim Macklin" <p51mustang[threeX12]@xxxhotmail.calm> wrote in message
news:u2LU3DdcFHA.3504@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>I bet Logitech will build you a keyboard exactly like you
> want for less than $1,000,000.00
>
>
> "swingman" <sbt@silcom.com> wrote in message
> news:%23KK3LVbcFHA.2288@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> | Thanks of the reply, but I should have been more specific.
> What I like
> | about the Logitech Navigator keyboard is it's
> scroll-wheel, email key that
> | opens Outlook Express, volume control keys, etc. I want
> these features
> | along with standard F keys.
> |
> |
> |
> | "Jim Macklin" <p51mustang[threeX12]@xxxhotmail.calm> wrote
> in message
> | news:OaS17dVcFHA.3912@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> | > Google'd for 104 keyboard and this was on the first
> page...
> | >
> | >
> http://www.i-tech.com.au/products/3051_Standard_Windows_PS__2_104_Keyboard.asp
> | >
> | >
> | > --
> | > The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
> | > But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
> | > some support
> | > http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
> | >
> | >
> | >
> | > "Swingman" <visaccoNoSpamPlease@yahoo.com> wrote in
> message
> | > news:OdOZsPVcFHA.3404@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> | > | I'm tired of my Logitech keyboard which always turns
> off
> | > the standard "F"
> | > | keys and defaults to proprietary functions. I've
> already
> | > tried the "pass
> | > | through" option, but it doesn't work in all cases so
> what
> | > would you
> | > | recommend? Does anyone make a multimedia keyboard
> like
> | > the Logitech
> | > | Navigator that has standard F-keys? I want a wired
> | > keyboard with a standard
> | > | PS2 plug so I can get into my BIOS settings when
> | > necessary. TIA
> | > |
> | > |
> | >
> | >
> |
> |
>
>

Jim Macklin
07-10-2005, 01:55 AM
Yes, but it only works after Windows boots and he wants the
F keys to work "normally" before booting so he can open the
BIOS.

Note, If the F-Lock key is pushed as soon as the computer ON
button is pressed the keys function normally.


--
The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
some support
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm



"Yves Leclerc" <yleclercNOSPAM@maysys.com> wrote in message
news:%231fT6PecFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
| If you scan the windowxp.generat newsgroup, you should
find a registry hack
| that reverses the "F" keys. If you use it, the F keys
work as they should
| (ie: F1, F2...) when the default is used.
|
| BTW: There is also a patch for those with Microsoft
keyboards.
|
|
| "Jim Macklin" <p51mustang[threeX12]@xxxhotmail.calm> wrote
in message
| news:u2LU3DdcFHA.3504@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
| >I bet Logitech will build you a keyboard exactly like you
| > want for less than $1,000,000.00
| >
| >
| > "swingman" <sbt@silcom.com> wrote in message
| > news:%23KK3LVbcFHA.2288@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
| > | Thanks of the reply, but I should have been more
specific.
| > What I like
| > | about the Logitech Navigator keyboard is it's
| > scroll-wheel, email key that
| > | opens Outlook Express, volume control keys, etc. I
want
| > these features
| > | along with standard F keys.
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | "Jim Macklin" <p51mustang[threeX12]@xxxhotmail.calm>
wrote
| > in message
| > | news:OaS17dVcFHA.3912@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
| > | > Google'd for 104 keyboard and this was on the first
| > page...
| > | >
| > | >
| >
http://www.i-tech.com.au/products/3051_Standard_Windows_PS__2_104_Keyboard.asp
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > --
| > | > The people think the Constitution protects their
rights;
| > | > But government sees it as an obstacle to be
overcome.
| > | > some support
| > | > http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > "Swingman" <visaccoNoSpamPlease@yahoo.com> wrote in
| > message
| > | > news:OdOZsPVcFHA.3404@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
| > | > | I'm tired of my Logitech keyboard which always
turns
| > off
| > | > the standard "F"
| > | > | keys and defaults to proprietary functions. I've
| > already
| > | > tried the "pass
| > | > | through" option, but it doesn't work in all cases
so
| > what
| > | > would you
| > | > | recommend? Does anyone make a multimedia keyboard
| > like
| > | > the Logitech
| > | > | Navigator that has standard F-keys? I want a
wired
| > | > keyboard with a standard
| > | > | PS2 plug so I can get into my BIOS settings when
| > | > necessary. TIA
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|

Swingman
07-10-2005, 01:56 AM
That's not exactly right. My reference to being able to get into the BIOS
pertains to the PS2 type connector. If I use a keyboard with a USB
connector it doesn't work at all until Windows loads. The DEL key is used
to access the BIOS on my current mobo so the F-key issue doesn't come into
it.

Anyway, thanks to everyone who responded. I'm going to hold off for the
moment on getting Logitech to design a keyboard just for me and look for the
registry hack that Yves mentioned.


"Jim Macklin" <p51mustang[threeX12]@xxxhotmail.calm> wrote in message
news:OVhoJ%23fcFHA.2520@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Yes, but it only works after Windows boots and he wants the
> F keys to work "normally" before booting so he can open the
> BIOS.
>
> Note, If the F-Lock key is pushed as soon as the computer ON
> button is pressed the keys function normally.

Jim Macklin
07-10-2005, 01:56 AM
If that is your issue, have you tried using the PS/2-USB
converter and plugging into the PS/2 port?

Also, check your BIOS to see if USB support is turned ON in
the BIOS, most modern mobo will support USB and don't need
to wait for Windows to boot.


--
The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
some support
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm



"Swingman" <visaccoNoSpamPlease@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:%23CaM8QCdFHA.1036@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
| That's not exactly right. My reference to being able to
get into the BIOS
| pertains to the PS2 type connector. If I use a keyboard
with a USB
| connector it doesn't work at all until Windows loads. The
DEL key is used
| to access the BIOS on my current mobo so the F-key issue
doesn't come into
| it.
|
| Anyway, thanks to everyone who responded. I'm going to
hold off for the
| moment on getting Logitech to design a keyboard just for
me and look for the
| registry hack that Yves mentioned.
|
|
| "Jim Macklin" <p51mustang[threeX12]@xxxhotmail.calm> wrote
in message
| news:OVhoJ%23fcFHA.2520@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
| > Yes, but it only works after Windows boots and he wants
the
| > F keys to work "normally" before booting so he can open
the
| > BIOS.
| >
| > Note, If the F-Lock key is pushed as soon as the
computer ON
| > button is pressed the keys function normally.
|
|


Looking for a keyboard with normal F-keys