Pirate copy of XP Home

Will Denny

07-10-2005, 01:42 AM

Hi Tim

Please try here:

http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/Reporting.mspx

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"Tim" <pike_by_nature@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:eCmUEQTgFHA.3164@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> Possibly not the right newsgroup, in which case my apologies in advance.
>
> I live in Spain, and a couple of months ago, I bought a perfectly
> legitimate copy of XP Home for a niece's computer. At the same time, my
> son-in-law bought a supposedly legitimate copy from someone on Ebay (.es).
>
> (Need I say more?)
>
> Anyway, the obvious happened; a pirate copy of XP Home turned up with a
> photocopy of a licence; my son-in-law is out 75 euros, Ebay couldn't care
> less, and the legal process in Spain is so tortuous that it's just not
> worth the hassle.
>
> HOWEVER; I notice that it's still going on. Now, ordinary fraud, I doubt
> Microsoft is interested in; but someone selling pirate copies of XP home
> over the internet? So my question is; is there a specific department or
> web-site I can write to, in English, to see if any action can be taken
> against these crooks?
>
>
>
> Tim
>

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

07-10-2005, 01:42 AM

Reporting Piracy:
http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/Reporting.mspx

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"Tim" <pike_by_nature@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:eCmUEQTgFHA.3164@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> Possibly not the right newsgroup, in which case my apologies in advance.
>
> I live in Spain, and a couple of months ago, I bought a perfectly
> legitimate copy of XP Home for a niece's computer. At the same time, my
> son-in-law bought a supposedly legitimate copy from someone on Ebay (.es).
>
> (Need I say more?)
>
> Anyway, the obvious happened; a pirate copy of XP Home turned up with a
> photocopy of a licence; my son-in-law is out 75 euros, Ebay couldn't care
> less, and the legal process in Spain is so tortuous that it's just not
> worth the hassle.
>
> HOWEVER; I notice that it's still going on. Now, ordinary fraud, I doubt
> Microsoft is interested in; but someone selling pirate copies of XP home
> over the internet? So my question is; is there a specific department or
> web-site I can write to, in English, to see if any action can be taken
> against these crooks?
>
>
>
> Tim
>

Tim

07-10-2005, 01:42 AM

Thanks.

Tim

Jim Macklin

07-10-2005, 01:42 AM

EBay cares, email them.
eBay Fraud Reporting
If you are unable to resolve the problem, you can file a
Fraud Report through
the online ... SafeHarbour - to report possible misuse on
eBay (for example, ...
pages.ebay.com.au/help/community/frs-start.html - 19k -
Cached - Similar pages

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"Tim" <pike_by_nature@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:eCmUEQTgFHA.3164@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
| Possibly not the right newsgroup, in which case my
apologies in advance.
|
| I live in Spain, and a couple of months ago, I bought a
perfectly legitimate
| copy of XP Home for a niece's computer. At the same time,
my son-in-law
| bought a supposedly legitimate copy from someone on Ebay
(.es).
|
| (Need I say more?)
|
| Anyway, the obvious happened; a pirate copy of XP Home
turned up with a
| photocopy of a licence; my son-in-law is out 75 euros,
Ebay couldn't care
| less, and the legal process in Spain is so tortuous that
it's just not worth
| the hassle.
|
| HOWEVER; I notice that it's still going on. Now, ordinary
fraud, I doubt
| Microsoft is interested in; but someone selling pirate
copies of XP home
| over the internet? So my question is; is there a specific
department or
| web-site I can write to, in English, to see if any action
can be taken
| against these crooks?
|
|
|
| Tim
|
|

Brian Cryer

07-10-2005, 01:42 AM

Officially ebay may care but the reality is that they don't. They used to,
but now if you e-mail them their official line is that unless you are the
copyright holder (i.e. in this case Microsoft, not you or me) then they
won't do anything. That's my experience. Please prove me wrong!!! I get
quite annoyed given the number of people selling pirate stuff on ebay. I'm
in the habit now of emailing sellers to ask, but I've had guarantees of
something being genuine which then turned out to be pirate.

I've not dealt with Microsoft, it would be nice to think there were a little
more pro-active but given the masses of pirate Microsoft stuff on ebay I'm
dubious ...

Brian.

"Jim Macklin" <p51mustang[threeX12]@xxxhotmail.calm> wrote in message
news:O0xQS2TgFHA.2840@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> EBay cares, email them.
> eBay Fraud Reporting
> If you are unable to resolve the problem, you can file a
> Fraud Report through
> the online ... SafeHarbour - to report possible misuse on
> eBay (for example, ...
> pages.ebay.com.au/help/community/frs-start.html - 19k -
> Cached - Similar pages
>
>
> --
> The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
> But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
> some support
> http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
>
>
>
> "Tim" <pike_by_nature@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:eCmUEQTgFHA.3164@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> | Possibly not the right newsgroup, in which case my
> apologies in advance.
> |
> | I live in Spain, and a couple of months ago, I bought a
> perfectly legitimate
> | copy of XP Home for a niece's computer. At the same time,
> my son-in-law
> | bought a supposedly legitimate copy from someone on Ebay
> (.es).
> |
> | (Need I say more?)
> |
> | Anyway, the obvious happened; a pirate copy of XP Home
> turned up with a
> | photocopy of a licence; my son-in-law is out 75 euros,
> Ebay couldn't care
> | less, and the legal process in Spain is so tortuous that
> it's just not worth
> | the hassle.
> |
> | HOWEVER; I notice that it's still going on. Now, ordinary
> fraud, I doubt
> | Microsoft is interested in; but someone selling pirate
> copies of XP home
> | over the internet? So my question is; is there a specific
> department or
> | web-site I can write to, in English, to see if any action
> can be taken
> | against these crooks?
> |
> |
> |
> | Tim
> |
> |
>
>

NoNoBadDog!

07-10-2005, 01:42 AM

The recent Supreme Court rulings may cause ebay to change it's "unofficial"
policy. If someone is doing something illegal on ebay (selling illegal
copies of Windows XP), then ebay can be held liable if it knows about it
(your email). I would suggest not only emailing ebay. but also the
Microsoft antipiracy group, as well as the Attorney General's office in your
state. Granted, nothing may come of it, but if the Supreme Court were to
hold ebay to the same standards as the P2P sharing networks, then ebay can
be prosecuted for allowing know illegal activity to continue.

Bobby

"Brian Cryer" <brianc@127.0.0.1.activesol.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1120557543.21657.0@damia.uk.clara.net...
> Officially ebay may care but the reality is that they don't. They used to,
> but now if you e-mail them their official line is that unless you are the
> copyright holder (i.e. in this case Microsoft, not you or me) then they
> won't do anything. That's my experience. Please prove me wrong!!! I get
> quite annoyed given the number of people selling pirate stuff on ebay. I'm
> in the habit now of emailing sellers to ask, but I've had guarantees of
> something being genuine which then turned out to be pirate.
>
> I've not dealt with Microsoft, it would be nice to think there were a
> little more pro-active but given the masses of pirate Microsoft stuff on
> ebay I'm dubious ...
>
> Brian.
>
>
> "Jim Macklin" <p51mustang[threeX12]@xxxhotmail.calm> wrote in message
> news:O0xQS2TgFHA.2840@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> EBay cares, email them.
>> eBay Fraud Reporting
>> If you are unable to resolve the problem, you can file a
>> Fraud Report through
>> the online ... SafeHarbour - to report possible misuse on
>> eBay (for example, ...
>> pages.ebay.com.au/help/community/frs-start.html - 19k -
>> Cached - Similar pages
>>
>>
>> --
>> The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
>> But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
>> some support
>> http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
>>
>>
>>
>> "Tim" <pike_by_nature@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:eCmUEQTgFHA.3164@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>> | Possibly not the right newsgroup, in which case my
>> apologies in advance.
>> |
>> | I live in Spain, and a couple of months ago, I bought a
>> perfectly legitimate
>> | copy of XP Home for a niece's computer. At the same time,
>> my son-in-law
>> | bought a supposedly legitimate copy from someone on Ebay
>> (.es).
>> |
>> | (Need I say more?)
>> |
>> | Anyway, the obvious happened; a pirate copy of XP Home
>> turned up with a
>> | photocopy of a licence; my son-in-law is out 75 euros,
>> Ebay couldn't care
>> | less, and the legal process in Spain is so tortuous that
>> it's just not worth
>> | the hassle.
>> |
>> | HOWEVER; I notice that it's still going on. Now, ordinary
>> fraud, I doubt
>> | Microsoft is interested in; but someone selling pirate
>> copies of XP home
>> | over the internet? So my question is; is there a specific
>> department or
>> | web-site I can write to, in English, to see if any action
>> can be taken
>> | against these crooks?
>> |
>> |
>> |
>> | Tim
>> |
>> |
>>
>>
>
>

kurttrail

07-10-2005, 01:42 AM

NoNoBadDog! wrote:
> The recent Supreme Court rulings may cause ebay to change it's
> "unofficial" policy. If someone is doing something illegal on ebay
> (selling illegal copies of Windows XP), then ebay can be held liable
> if it knows about it (your email). I would suggest not only emailing
> ebay. but also the Microsoft antipiracy group, as well as the
> Attorney General's office in your state. Granted, nothing may come
> of it, but if the Supreme Court were to hold ebay to the same
> standards as the P2P sharing networks, then ebay can be prosecuted
> for allowing know illegal activity to continue.
> Bobby

Wrong. The Grokster case is about actively encouraging piracy.

The Supremes didn't make file-sharing illegal. What it did was hold
companies accountable that market filesharing tools as copyright
infringement tools.

The problem with acting on non-copyright owners complaints is that there
are many people that complain erroneously. eBay would spend more time
investigating complaints, than making money.

Personally, I wouldn't buy anything through eBay.

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Alias

07-10-2005, 01:42 AM

When you consider that a bonafide OEM of Windows XP Home goes for 80 EUR in
Spain, yeah, you got ripped off.
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"Tim" <pike_by_nature@hotmail.com> wrote

> Possibly not the right newsgroup, in which case my apologies in advance.
>
> I live in Spain, and a couple of months ago, I bought a perfectly
> legitimate copy of XP Home for a niece's computer. At the same time, my
> son-in-law bought a supposedly legitimate copy from someone on Ebay (.es).
>
> (Need I say more?)
>
> Anyway, the obvious happened; a pirate copy of XP Home turned up with a
> photocopy of a licence; my son-in-law is out 75 euros, Ebay couldn't care
> less, and the legal process in Spain is so tortuous that it's just not
> worth the hassle.
>
> HOWEVER; I notice that it's still going on. Now, ordinary fraud, I doubt
> Microsoft is interested in; but someone selling pirate copies of XP home
> over the internet? So my question is; is there a specific department or
> web-site I can write to, in English, to see if any action can be taken
> against these crooks?
>
>
>
> Tim
>

usasma

07-10-2005, 01:42 AM

Here's the link to report piracy to Microsoft -
http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/Reporting.mspx

I'd also suggest reporting it to eBay and to PayPal

"Tim" wrote:

> Possibly not the right newsgroup, in which case my apologies in advance.
>
> I live in Spain, and a couple of months ago, I bought a perfectly legitimate
> copy of XP Home for a niece's computer. At the same time, my son-in-law
> bought a supposedly legitimate copy from someone on Ebay (.es).
>
> (Need I say more?)
>
> Anyway, the obvious happened; a pirate copy of XP Home turned up with a
> photocopy of a licence; my son-in-law is out 75 euros, Ebay couldn't care
> less, and the legal process in Spain is so tortuous that it's just not worth
> the hassle.
>
> HOWEVER; I notice that it's still going on. Now, ordinary fraud, I doubt
> Microsoft is interested in; but someone selling pirate copies of XP home
> over the internet? So my question is; is there a specific department or
> web-site I can write to, in English, to see if any action can be taken
> against these crooks?
>
>
>
> Tim
>
>
>

Bruce Chambers

07-10-2005, 01:43 AM

Tim wrote:
> Possibly not the right newsgroup, in which case my apologies in advance.
>
> I live in Spain, and a couple of months ago, I bought a perfectly legitimate
> copy of XP Home for a niece's computer. At the same time, my son-in-law
> bought a supposedly legitimate copy from someone on Ebay (.es).
>
> (Need I say more?)
>
> Anyway, the obvious happened; a pirate copy of XP Home turned up with a
> photocopy of a licence; my son-in-law is out 75 euros, Ebay couldn't care
> less, and the legal process in Spain is so tortuous that it's just not worth
> the hassle.
>
> HOWEVER; I notice that it's still going on. Now, ordinary fraud, I doubt
> Microsoft is interested in; but someone selling pirate copies of XP home
> over the internet? So my question is; is there a specific department or
> web-site I can write to, in English, to see if any action can be taken
> against these crooks?
>
>
>
> Tim
>
>

Forward the pertinent information (link to the sale, etc) to
piracy@microsoft.com.

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Tim

07-10-2005, 01:43 AM

You're right - how did you know? 79 Euros I paid, in fact. So S-I-L was had
both ways.

And take it from one who knows - ebay don't give a toss. This guy's
activities have been reported to Ebay; who did nothing.

Tim

"Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
news:ukFgxKVgFHA.1044@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> When you consider that a bonafide OEM of Windows XP Home goes for 80 EUR
> in Spain, yeah, you got ripped off.
> --
> Alias
>

Alan Smith

07-10-2005, 01:43 AM

Do you have a Trading Standards or equivalent government body? What do they
say?

"Tim" <pike_by_nature@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23cXbT0fgFHA.2484@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> You're right - how did you know? 79 Euros I paid, in fact. So S-I-L was
> had both ways.
>
> And take it from one who knows - ebay don't give a toss. This guy's
> activities have been reported to Ebay; who did nothing.
>
>
> Tim
>
>
> "Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
> news:ukFgxKVgFHA.1044@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> When you consider that a bonafide OEM of Windows XP Home goes for 80 EUR
>> in Spain, yeah, you got ripped off.
>> --
>> Alias
>>
>
>

Alias

07-10-2005, 01:43 AM

In Spain, any theft under 300 EUR is not considered a crime but a "falta",
comparable to a traffic ticket in the USA. The OP has lost 79 EUR and should
just chalk it up to experience and move on.
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"Alan Smith" <alan@hidden.email> wrote

> Do you have a Trading Standards or equivalent government body? What do
> they say?
>
>
> "Tim" <pike_by_nature@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:%23cXbT0fgFHA.2484@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>> You're right - how did you know? 79 Euros I paid, in fact. So S-I-L was
>> had both ways.
>>
>> And take it from one who knows - ebay don't give a toss. This guy's
>> activities have been reported to Ebay; who did nothing.
>>
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>> "Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
>> news:ukFgxKVgFHA.1044@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>> When you consider that a bonafide OEM of Windows XP Home goes for 80 EUR
>>> in Spain, yeah, you got ripped off.
>>> --
>>> Alias
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Alias

07-10-2005, 01:43 AM

You can get a bonafide OEM copy of XP from

http://www.appinformatica.com/ (84 EUR)

or

http://www.pcbox.com/inicio/default.asp?lan=es&cnt=es (83.16 EUR)
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"Tim" <pike_by_nature@hotmail.com> wrote

> You're right - how did you know? 79 Euros I paid, in fact. So S-I-L was
> had both ways.
>
> And take it from one who knows - ebay don't give a toss. This guy's
> activities have been reported to Ebay; who did nothing.
>
>
> Tim
>
>
> "Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
> news:ukFgxKVgFHA.1044@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> When you consider that a bonafide OEM of Windows XP Home goes for 80 EUR
>> in Spain, yeah, you got ripped off.
>> --
>> Alias
>>
>
>

McSpreader

07-10-2005, 01:44 AM

"Tim" <pike_by_nature@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:#cXbT0fgFHA.2484@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl:

> You're right - how did you know? 79 Euros I paid, in fact. So
> S-I-L was had both ways.
>
> And take it from one who knows - ebay don't give a toss. This
> guy's activities have been reported to Ebay; who did nothing.
>
>
> Tim
>
>
> "Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
> news:ukFgxKVgFHA.1044@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> When you consider that a bonafide OEM of Windows XP Home goes
>> for 80 EUR in Spain, yeah, you got ripped off.
>> --
>> Alias
>>
>
>
Contact the local Microsoft:
http://www.microsoft.com/spain/

Alias

07-10-2005, 01:44 AM

"McSpreader" <invalid@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns968B85D5B7EBAMcP@194.168.222.121...
> "Tim" <pike_by_nature@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:#cXbT0fgFHA.2484@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl:
>
>> You're right - how did you know? 79 Euros I paid, in fact. So
>> S-I-L was had both ways.
>>
>> And take it from one who knows - ebay don't give a toss. This
>> guy's activities have been reported to Ebay; who did nothing.
>>
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>> "Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
>> news:ukFgxKVgFHA.1044@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>> When you consider that a bonafide OEM of Windows XP Home goes
>>> for 80 EUR in Spain, yeah, you got ripped off.
>>> --
>>> Alias
>>>
>>
>>
> Contact the local Microsoft:
> http://www.microsoft.com/spain/

And what, pray tell, do you think Microsoft would do?
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Jupiter Jones [MVP]

07-10-2005, 01:44 AM

Absolutely nothing if Microsoft is not informed.

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"Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
> And what, pray tell, do you think Microsoft would do?
> --
> Alias
>
> Use the Reply to Sender feature of your news reader program to email me.
> Utiliza Responder al Remitente para mandarme un mail.

McSpreader

07-10-2005, 01:44 AM

"Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in
news:Oeki4migFHA.3936@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl:

>
> "McSpreader" <invalid@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>> Contact the local Microsoft:
>> http://www.microsoft.com/spain/
>
> And what, pray tell, do you think Microsoft would do?

They might implement their stated actions, and maybe prevent other
people being suckered by the same scam.
http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/Reporting.mspx

Alan Smith

07-10-2005, 01:44 AM

"Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
news:Oeki4migFHA.3936@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>
> "McSpreader" <invalid@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns968B85D5B7EBAMcP@194.168.222.121...
>> "Tim" <pike_by_nature@hotmail.com> wrote in
>> news:#cXbT0fgFHA.2484@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl:
>>
>>> You're right - how did you know? 79 Euros I paid, in fact. So
>>> S-I-L was had both ways.
>>>
>>> And take it from one who knows - ebay don't give a toss. This
>>> guy's activities have been reported to Ebay; who did nothing.
>>>
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>>
>>> "Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
>>> news:ukFgxKVgFHA.1044@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>>> When you consider that a bonafide OEM of Windows XP Home goes
>>>> for 80 EUR in Spain, yeah, you got ripped off.
>>>> --
>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Contact the local Microsoft:
>> http://www.microsoft.com/spain/
>
> And what, pray tell, do you think Microsoft would do?
> --
> Alias
>

They can't do anything if they are not told. They have the opportunity to do
something if they are told.

Alias

07-10-2005, 01:44 AM

OK, I'll bite. What will they do if informed?
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"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote

> Absolutely nothing if Microsoft is not informed.
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
> http://www.dts-l.org
>
>
> "Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
>> And what, pray tell, do you think Microsoft would do?
>> --
>> Alias
>>
>> Use the Reply to Sender feature of your news reader program to email me.
>> Utiliza Responder al Remitente para mandarme un mail.
>
>

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

07-10-2005, 01:44 AM

I don't know what they would do any more than you do.
But if Microsoft is not informed, it is a guarantee of nothing.
It is difficult to get less action than nothing so there is nothing to lose.

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"Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
news:%23VQ6deogFHA.2268@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> OK, I'll bite. What will they do if informed?
> --
> Alias
>
> Use the Reply to Sender feature of your news reader program to email me.
> Utiliza Responder al Remitente para mandarme un mail.
>
> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote
>
>> Absolutely nothing if Microsoft is not informed.
>>
>> --
>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
>> http://www.dts-l.org
>>
>>
>> "Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
>>> And what, pray tell, do you think Microsoft would do?
>>> --
>>> Alias
>>>
>>> Use the Reply to Sender feature of your news reader program to email me.
>>> Utiliza Responder al Remitente para mandarme un mail.

kurttrail

07-10-2005, 01:44 AM

Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
> I don't know what they would do any more than you do.
> But if Microsoft is not informed, it is a guarantee of nothing.
> It is difficult to get less action than nothing so there is nothing
> to lose.

LOL! So you are saying that MS has no proactive way of combating this
type of piracy? MS relies on nothing but informants?

You are a silly boy, if you think it is "a guarantee of nothing" MS can
do if not informed.

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Jupiter Jones [MVP]

07-10-2005, 01:44 AM

I never said "MS has no proactive way of combating this type of piracy",
those are your words, not mine, perhaps you should read before commenting.
Microsoft has to be informed.
If not by others, they need to inform themselves.
They can not act on what they are unaware.

--
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http://www.dts-l.org

"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in message
news:%
> LOL! So you are saying that MS has no proactive way of combating this
> type of piracy? MS relies on nothing but informants?
>
> You are a silly boy, if you think it is "a guarantee of nothing" MS can do
> if not informed.
>
> --
> Peace!
> Kurt
> Self-anointed Moderator
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

kurttrail

07-10-2005, 01:45 AM

Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
> I never said "MS has no proactive way of combating this type of
> piracy", those are your words, not mine,

My words from what you did write. "But if Microsoft is not informed, it
is a guarantee of nothing."

That statement of YOURS would pretty much preclude any proactive action
on its own.

> perhaps you should read
> before commenting.

Perhaps you shouldn't be giving out "guarantees" on MS's behalf.

> Microsoft has to be informed.
> If not by others, they need to inform themselves.

ROFL! Now that is funny! MS needs to "inform themselves!"

Now you are just pulling sh*t out of your ass. MS should investigate
eBay sales on its own, especially since it is well known that many
pirated copies are sold through eBay.

> They can not act on what they are unaware.

No?! Really?! You are so full of sh*t. You know very well your
"guarantee of nothing" had nothing to do with MS proactively seeking out
piracy on its own, and was meant to encourage people to become volunteer
MicroInformants.

MS has plenty of billions of dollars, and if it wants people to go out
of their way to inform on others, MS should have the decency to offer a
reward.

> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
> message news:%
>> LOL! So you are saying that MS has no proactive way of combating
>> this type of piracy? MS relies on nothing but informants?
>>
>> You are a silly boy, if you think it is "a guarantee of nothing" MS
>> can do if not informed.
>>
>> --
>> Peace!
>> Kurt
>> Self-anointed Moderator
>> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
>> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

Yep, you are a silly little boy! Changing the words of others. Out of
sight, out of your mind. And boy, are you out of your mind!

--
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"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

07-10-2005, 01:45 AM

You have accused others of twisting your words and yet you twist words
yourself.
Your own use of "pretty much" as well as suggesting I gave a guarantee are a
few examples.

Your need to insult is again noted.
If you are capable of discussing without insults do so.
If you are incapable of discussing without insults, you should stand aside
for those more competent to support your point of view.

Have the last word Kurt as I am sure your ego needs, almost as much as your
ego needs to insult others to boost yourself.

Good bye Kurt

--
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http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org

"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in message
news:%233lV0JqgFHA.2484@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
>> I never said "MS has no proactive way of combating this type of
>> piracy", those are your words, not mine,
>
> My words from what you did write. "But if Microsoft is not informed, it
> is a guarantee of nothing."
>
> That statement of YOURS would pretty much preclude any proactive action on
> its own.
>
>> perhaps you should read
>> before commenting.
>
> Perhaps you shouldn't be giving out "guarantees" on MS's behalf.
>
>> Microsoft has to be informed.
>> If not by others, they need to inform themselves.
>
> ROFL! Now that is funny! MS needs to "inform themselves!"
>
> Now you are just pulling sh*t out of your ass. MS should investigate eBay
> sales on its own, especially since it is well known that many pirated
> copies are sold through eBay.
>
>> They can not act on what they are unaware.
>
> No?! Really?! You are so full of sh*t. You know very well your
> "guarantee of nothing" had nothing to do with MS proactively seeking out
> piracy on its own, and was meant to encourage people to become volunteer
> MicroInformants.
>
> MS has plenty of billions of dollars, and if it wants people to go out of
> their way to inform on others, MS should have the decency to offer a
> reward.
>
>> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
>> message news:%
>>> LOL! So you are saying that MS has no proactive way of combating
>>> this type of piracy? MS relies on nothing but informants?
>>>
>>> You are a silly boy, if you think it is "a guarantee of nothing" MS
>>> can do if not informed.
>
> Yep, you are a silly little boy! Changing the words of others. Out of
> sight, out of your mind. And boy, are you out of your mind!
>
> --
> Peace!
> Kurt
> Self-anointed Moderator
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

Kelly

07-10-2005, 01:45 AM

Let it go, Matt. If his posts bother you either ignore it or just correct
what you think is wrong via your own opinion without the flaming. And that
goes for the both of yall.

--

All the Best,
Kelly (MS-MVP)

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
news:eOf38zqgFHA.2484@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> You have accused others of twisting your words and yet you twist words
> yourself.
> Your own use of "pretty much" as well as suggesting I gave a guarantee are
> a few examples.
>
> Your need to insult is again noted.
> If you are capable of discussing without insults do so.
> If you are incapable of discussing without insults, you should stand aside
> for those more competent to support your point of view.
>
> Have the last word Kurt as I am sure your ego needs, almost as much as
> your ego needs to insult others to boost yourself.
>
> Good bye Kurt
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
> http://www.dts-l.org
>
>
> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in message
> news:%233lV0JqgFHA.2484@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
>>> I never said "MS has no proactive way of combating this type of
>>> piracy", those are your words, not mine,
>>
>> My words from what you did write. "But if Microsoft is not informed, it
>> is a guarantee of nothing."
>>
>> That statement of YOURS would pretty much preclude any proactive action
>> on its own.
>>
>>> perhaps you should read
>>> before commenting.
>>
>> Perhaps you shouldn't be giving out "guarantees" on MS's behalf.
>>
>>> Microsoft has to be informed.
>>> If not by others, they need to inform themselves.
>>
>> ROFL! Now that is funny! MS needs to "inform themselves!"
>>
>> Now you are just pulling sh*t out of your ass. MS should investigate
>> eBay sales on its own, especially since it is well known that many
>> pirated copies are sold through eBay.
>>
>>> They can not act on what they are unaware.
>>
>> No?! Really?! You are so full of sh*t. You know very well your
>> "guarantee of nothing" had nothing to do with MS proactively seeking out
>> piracy on its own, and was meant to encourage people to become volunteer
>> MicroInformants.
>>
>> MS has plenty of billions of dollars, and if it wants people to go out of
>> their way to inform on others, MS should have the decency to offer a
>> reward.
>>
>>> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
>>> message news:%
>>>> LOL! So you are saying that MS has no proactive way of combating
>>>> this type of piracy? MS relies on nothing but informants?
>>>>
>>>> You are a silly boy, if you think it is "a guarantee of nothing" MS
>>>> can do if not informed.
>>
>> Yep, you are a silly little boy! Changing the words of others. Out of
>> sight, out of your mind. And boy, are you out of your mind!
>>
>> --
>> Peace!
>> Kurt
>> Self-anointed Moderator
>> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
>> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"
>
>

kurttrail

07-10-2005, 01:45 AM

Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
> You have accused others of twisting your words and yet you twist words
> yourself.

LOL! I'm sure that others read your "guarantee" in the same way as I
did.

> Your own use of "pretty much" as well as suggesting I gave a
> guarantee are a few examples.

Huh?

So that I don't write in absolutes, like you do, shows I twisted your
words?!

Alias: OK, I'll bite. What will they do if informed?

Juppy: I don't know what they would do any more than you do.
But if Microsoft is not informed, it is a guarantee of nothing.
It is difficult to get less action than nothing so there is nothing to
lose.

Those are your words. Nothing in YOUR WORDS seems to suggest that MS
could do ANYTHING if not informed.

I can't help it if YOU didn't write what you are now claiming you meant!
MS needs to inform itself! ROFL!

> Your need to insult is again noted.

Are you insulted? Poor little baby!

I didn't mean to insult you, so what exactly were you insulted by? My
calling you a silly little boy for actually changing MY WORDS in MY SIG?
ROFL!

> If you are capable of discussing without insults do so.

The ONLY insult I saw was the silly little boy remark.

> If you are incapable of discussing without insults, you should stand
> aside for those more competent to support your point of view.

LOL! I am quite capable, but it seems you need to bitch and whine about
insults instead of explain your words. And I am incapable of responding
to a bitch and a whiner without pointing that out. If you are insulted
by you being a bitch and a whiner, that is your problem. See a shrink
about it.

> Have the last word Kurt as I am sure your ego needs,

LOL! Thanks, but my ego needs nothing from you.

> almost as much
> as your ego needs to insult others to boost yourself.

Whatever. You insult yourself.

> Good bye Kurt

You keep saying it, yet you keep whining back at my posts? If you
really thought all I did was insult you, why do you keep coming back for
more? Why do you keep replying to my posts?

Why Juppy?

>
>
> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
> message news:%233lV0JqgFHA.2484@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
>>> I never said "MS has no proactive way of combating this type of
>>> piracy", those are your words, not mine,
>>
>> My words from what you did write. "But if Microsoft is not
>> informed, it is a guarantee of nothing."
>>
>> That statement of YOURS would pretty much preclude any proactive
>> action on its own.
>>
>>> perhaps you should read
>>> before commenting.
>>
>> Perhaps you shouldn't be giving out "guarantees" on MS's behalf.
>>
>>> Microsoft has to be informed.
>>> If not by others, they need to inform themselves.
>>
>> ROFL! Now that is funny! MS needs to "inform themselves!"
>>
>> Now you are just pulling sh*t out of your ass. MS should
>> investigate eBay sales on its own, especially since it is well known
>> that many pirated copies are sold through eBay.
>>
>>> They can not act on what they are unaware.
>>
>> No?! Really?! You are so full of sh*t. You know very well your
>> "guarantee of nothing" had nothing to do with MS proactively seeking
>> out piracy on its own, and was meant to encourage people to become
>> volunteer MicroInformants.
>>
>> MS has plenty of billions of dollars, and if it wants people to go
>> out of their way to inform on others, MS should have the decency to
>> offer a reward.
>>
>>> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
>>> message news:%
>>>> LOL! So you are saying that MS has no proactive way of combating
>>>> this type of piracy? MS relies on nothing but informants?
>>>>
>>>> You are a silly boy, if you think it is "a guarantee of nothing" MS
>>>> can do if not informed.
>>
>> Yep, you are a silly little boy! Changing the words of others. Out
>> of sight, out of your mind. And boy, are you out of your mind!
>>
>> --
>> Peace!
>> Kurt
>> Self-anointed Moderator
>> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
>> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

Silly little boy that bitches and whines that I twist his words, has no
problem actually changing mine! ROFL!

Please keep it up, as your hypocrisy does amuse me so! ;-)

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"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

kurttrail

07-10-2005, 01:45 AM

Kelly wrote:
> Let it go, Matt. If his posts bother you either ignore it or just
> correct what you think is wrong via your own opinion without the
> flaming. And that goes for the both of yall.

LOL! If I was bothered by his posts, I'd agree with you, but that is
far from the case. But Juppy's irrational reactions to my posts just
amuses me too much to ignore him.

--
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http://microscum.com/mscommunity
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

Alan Smith

07-10-2005, 01:45 AM

Don't be stupid. He didn't say that and you trying to twist his words won't
change it into what you try to claim.
You're doing what you attempt to claim others do to you. But it isn't
working.

"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in message
news:%233lV0JqgFHA.2484@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
>> I never said "MS has no proactive way of combating this type of
>> piracy", those are your words, not mine,
>
> My words from what you did write. "But if Microsoft is not informed, it
> is a guarantee of nothing."
>
> That statement of YOURS would pretty much preclude any proactive action on
> its own.
>
>> perhaps you should read
>> before commenting.
>
> Perhaps you shouldn't be giving out "guarantees" on MS's behalf.
>
>> Microsoft has to be informed.
>> If not by others, they need to inform themselves.
>
> ROFL! Now that is funny! MS needs to "inform themselves!"
>
> Now you are just pulling sh*t out of your ass. MS should investigate eBay
> sales on its own, especially since it is well known that many pirated
> copies are sold through eBay.
>
>> They can not act on what they are unaware.
>
> No?! Really?! You are so full of sh*t. You know very well your
> "guarantee of nothing" had nothing to do with MS proactively seeking out
> piracy on its own, and was meant to encourage people to become volunteer
> MicroInformants.
>
> MS has plenty of billions of dollars, and if it wants people to go out of
> their way to inform on others, MS should have the decency to offer a
> reward.
>
>> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
>> message news:%
>>> LOL! So you are saying that MS has no proactive way of combating
>>> this type of piracy? MS relies on nothing but informants?
>>>
>>> You are a silly boy, if you think it is "a guarantee of nothing" MS
>>> can do if not informed.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Peace!
>>> Kurt
>>> Self-anointed Moderator
>>> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
>>> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"
>
> Yep, you are a silly little boy! Changing the words of others. Out of
> sight, out of your mind. And boy, are you out of your mind!
>
> --
> Peace!
> Kurt
> Self-anointed Moderator
> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
> http://microscum.com/mscommunity
> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"
>

kurttrail

07-10-2005, 01:45 AM

Alan Smith wrote:
> Don't be stupid. He didn't say that and you trying to twist his words
> won't change it into what you try to claim.
> You're doing what you attempt to claim others do to you. But it isn't
> working.
>

So you are buying his Bullsh*t that he meant that along with having
people inform MS, that "they [MS] need to inform themselves," when he
replied to Alias, "I don't know what they would do any more than you do.
But if Microsoft is not informed, it is a guarantee of nothing. It is
difficult to get less action than nothing so there is nothing to lose"?

It is your choice to believe it, but I would suggest that it stretches
credulity to the breaking point.

So, IN YOUR OWN WORDS, what do you think Juppy meant when he replied to
Alias's question, "What will they [MS] do if informed?"

And remember the context of that question in this thread!

--
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"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

Alan Smith

07-10-2005, 01:45 AM

"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in message
news:eyLSumvgFHA.1416@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Alan Smith wrote:
>> Don't be stupid. He didn't say that and you trying to twist his words
>> won't change it into what you try to claim.
>> You're doing what you attempt to claim others do to you. But it isn't
>> working.
>>
>
> So you are buying his Bullsh*t that he meant that along with having people
> inform MS, that "they [MS] need to inform themselves," when he replied to
> Alias, "I don't know what they would do any more than you do. But if
> Microsoft is not informed, it is a guarantee of nothing. It is difficult
> to get less action than nothing so there is nothing to lose"?
>
> It is your choice to believe it, but I would suggest that it stretches
> credulity to the breaking point.
>
> So, IN YOUR OWN WORDS, what do you think Juppy meant when he replied to
> Alias's question, "What will they [MS] do if informed?"
>
> And remember the context of that question in this thread!
>
> --
> Peace!
> Kurt
>

Another diversion.

kurttrail

07-10-2005, 01:45 AM

Alan Smith wrote:
> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
> message news:eyLSumvgFHA.1416@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> Alan Smith wrote:
>>> Don't be stupid. He didn't say that and you trying to twist his
>>> words won't change it into what you try to claim.
>>> You're doing what you attempt to claim others do to you. But it
>>> isn't working.
>>>
>>
>> So you are buying his Bullsh*t that he meant that along with having
>> people inform MS, that "they [MS] need to inform themselves," when
>> he replied to Alias, "I don't know what they would do any more than
>> you do. But if Microsoft is not informed, it is a guarantee of
>> nothing. It is difficult to get less action than nothing so there
>> is nothing to lose"? It is your choice to believe it, but I would
>> suggest that it
>> stretches credulity to the breaking point.
>>
>> So, IN YOUR OWN WORDS, what do you think Juppy meant when he replied
>> to Alias's question, "What will they [MS] do if informed?"
>>
>> And remember the context of that question in this thread!
>>
>> --
>> Peace!
>> Kurt
>>
>
> Another diversion.

ROFL! Yes, that is an accurate description of your posts in this
thread, diversions!

It is quite refreshing to see such honesty, outing yourself in trying to
divert from Juppy's obvious blunder in making his "guarantee of nothing"
in response to Alias. ;-)

--
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"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

Kelly

07-10-2005, 01:46 AM

I see.....well, beings yall both seem to enjoy this - Kelly has left the
building. :o)

--

All the Best,
Kelly (MS-MVP)

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com

"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in message
news:urtrWLvgFHA.1248@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Kelly wrote:
>> Let it go, Matt. If his posts bother you either ignore it or just
>> correct what you think is wrong via your own opinion without the
>> flaming. And that goes for the both of yall.
>
> LOL! If I was bothered by his posts, I'd agree with you, but that is far
> from the case. But Juppy's irrational reactions to my posts just amuses
> me too much to ignore him.
>
> --
> Peace!
> Kurt
> Self-anointed Moderator
> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
> http://microscum.com/mscommunity
> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"
>