Ian Iball
07-09-2005, 09:28 PM
Hi;
Did you ever look into the SMS Client dependencies? I have created an image
with all of the components i need, that came to about 190MB. I then added
the SMS Core and the SMS English Language support, this then made the image
330MB with all of the dependencies that the SMS Client has. Our problem is
that the Thin Clients they want to deploy to are 256MB so it's not going to
fit, we have tried taking out some of the dependencies like Client service
for Macintosh and Netware (obvious things) but the SMS client stop working.
I'm in the process of creating a Virtual PC to run the Windows XP Embedded
with SMS image in to prove that the space is the problem, I just thought I
would ask you if you had come up with a fix
Cheers
Ian
"KM" wrote:
> Also, look in to SMS client features. It has pretty much anything you may need.
> The client dependencies are quite big but having SUS client already included your image is unlikely small now anyway.
>
> --
> Regards,
> KM, BSquare Corp.
>
>
> > Mike,
> >
> > Have you read about DUA (Device Update Agent)?
> > Basically you can tell it to check for updates on your server and to
> > automatically do things that you want.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Slobodan
> >
> >
> >
> > "Mike" <michal.banys@s-link.pl> wrote in message
> > news:94e5a5fd.0504172325.24e59934@posting.google.com...
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > Slobodan: Yes, it is RAM EWF.
> > >
> > > So, I understand that there is no way to do update OS on many
> > > computers remotely at the same time :-(. Maybe the quickest way to do
> > > it will be to upload the update files from Microsoft and run them on
> > > each machine, then commit and reboot. Each of this proceses (upload,
> > > run, commit, reboot) can be done remotely using my application.
> > > Becouse I'll have only remote access to the computers. Or maybe there
> > > is other way to do it faster?
> > >
> > > Is there any way that system with task manager shell will notify me
> > > about available updates (notify for download and notify to install)?
> > >
> > > Thanks for help
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > "KM" <konstmor@nospam_yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:<uriwZehQFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl>...
> > >> I guess it is not a question on how the update is delivered (DUA, SUS,
> > >> etc.) but rather how it is handled with EWF running on the
> > >> system.
> > >> Original poster stressed "(but not restart after updates!!!)" which is
> > >> impossible with current EWF implementation for "some" (most)
> > >> updates.
> > >>
> > >> Btw, although I like simple clients like lightweight DUA but there is
> > >> nothing in DUA that cannot be accomplish with SMS or SUS.
> > >> Those heavy solutions have scripting support too.
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Regards,
> > >> KM, BSquare Corp.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > I'm not that familiar with the other update mechanisms but that is why
> > >> > I
> > >> > like DUA. When you want to perform updates copy a script, put it into a
> > >> > Lan
> > >> > Directory, let the machines update, then have the script Commit and
> > >> > Reboot
> > >> > the machine when its done. Been working great here.
> > >> >
> > >> > Richard
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > "Slobodan Brcin (eMVP)" <sbrcin@ptt.yu> wrote in message
> > >> > news:%23$od4SdQFHA.3664@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> > >> > > Mike,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Is this RAM EWF?
> > >> > > If so then you must reboot your computer in order for changes to be
> > >> > > saved
> > >> > > :-(
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Regarding the updates. You can do immediate update of services,
> > >> > > drivers
> > >> > > programs that are not loaded, for anything more you must reboot
> > >> > > computer
> > >> > > since many things just can't be stopped and started during the work.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Sorry this was not what you wanted to hear, but that is how things
> > >> > > work.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Regards,
> > >> > > Slobodan
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > "Mike" <michal.banys@s-link.pl> wrote in message
> > >> > > news:94e5a5fd.0504150130.47c46f@posting.google.com...
> > >> > >> Hi All,
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> I do not know how to solve following problem:
> > >> > >> I have about 150 identical computers based on XPe OS working in LAN
> > >> > >> network.
> > >> > >> OS contains
> > >> > >> - Windows Update Agent
> > >> > >> - Windows Update Agent for SUS 1.0 Servers
> > >> > >> and
> > >> > >> - Task manager shell (prefered then Explorer Shell for our
> > >> > >> computers)
> > >> > >> components. Each station have EWF enabled becouse there are CFs.
> > >> > >> Also there is one SUS Server based on Windows 2003 Server.
> > >> > >> Everything works correctly, becouse when I exchange Task Manager
> > >> > >> Shell
> > >> > >> for Explorer Shell, the notification icon appears, I can download
> > >> > >> and
> > >> > >> install updates in mode configured in Group Policy.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> The problem is how system notify an administrator about upgreades
> > >> > >> download and install (i chosed option 3-Notify for download and
> > >> > >> notify
> > >> > >> for install, becouse after update ewfmgr c: -commit command have to
> > >> > >> be
> > >> > >> executed) when there is only task manager shell. In my systems
> > >> > >> nothing
> > >> > >> happend. (When one computer works one based on Explorer Shell and
> > >> > >> the
> > >> > >> second based on Task Manager Shell, both in the same LAN, the first
> > >> > >> one notify me about updates but the second doesn't). How XPe based
> > >> > >> on
> > >> > >> Task Manager Shell notify administrator about updates?
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> The second problem I have to solve is how to do updates for so many
> > >> > >> computers automaticaly. Is there any possibility to do updates
> > >> > >> automaticaly (but not restart after updates!!!) and notify me about
> > >> > >> that in any way, so I can do CF commit (my application is in able to
> > >> > >> do commit remotely, so it doesn't take to much time). Or mayby there
> > >> > >> is other way to update and commit komputer without login (for over
> > >> > >> 150
> > >> > >> station it would take ages to log in, update, and commit CF, even
> > >> > >> doing it remotely, using for exaple remote desktop!). I can set up
> > >> > >> automatic download and update, but how system notify administrator
> > >> > >> that it was executet correctly without restart (CF commit).
> > >> > >> This problem is very important to me!
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> Greetings
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> Mike
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
Did you ever look into the SMS Client dependencies? I have created an image
with all of the components i need, that came to about 190MB. I then added
the SMS Core and the SMS English Language support, this then made the image
330MB with all of the dependencies that the SMS Client has. Our problem is
that the Thin Clients they want to deploy to are 256MB so it's not going to
fit, we have tried taking out some of the dependencies like Client service
for Macintosh and Netware (obvious things) but the SMS client stop working.
I'm in the process of creating a Virtual PC to run the Windows XP Embedded
with SMS image in to prove that the space is the problem, I just thought I
would ask you if you had come up with a fix
Cheers
Ian
"KM" wrote:
> Also, look in to SMS client features. It has pretty much anything you may need.
> The client dependencies are quite big but having SUS client already included your image is unlikely small now anyway.
>
> --
> Regards,
> KM, BSquare Corp.
>
>
> > Mike,
> >
> > Have you read about DUA (Device Update Agent)?
> > Basically you can tell it to check for updates on your server and to
> > automatically do things that you want.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Slobodan
> >
> >
> >
> > "Mike" <michal.banys@s-link.pl> wrote in message
> > news:94e5a5fd.0504172325.24e59934@posting.google.com...
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > Slobodan: Yes, it is RAM EWF.
> > >
> > > So, I understand that there is no way to do update OS on many
> > > computers remotely at the same time :-(. Maybe the quickest way to do
> > > it will be to upload the update files from Microsoft and run them on
> > > each machine, then commit and reboot. Each of this proceses (upload,
> > > run, commit, reboot) can be done remotely using my application.
> > > Becouse I'll have only remote access to the computers. Or maybe there
> > > is other way to do it faster?
> > >
> > > Is there any way that system with task manager shell will notify me
> > > about available updates (notify for download and notify to install)?
> > >
> > > Thanks for help
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > "KM" <konstmor@nospam_yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:<uriwZehQFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl>...
> > >> I guess it is not a question on how the update is delivered (DUA, SUS,
> > >> etc.) but rather how it is handled with EWF running on the
> > >> system.
> > >> Original poster stressed "(but not restart after updates!!!)" which is
> > >> impossible with current EWF implementation for "some" (most)
> > >> updates.
> > >>
> > >> Btw, although I like simple clients like lightweight DUA but there is
> > >> nothing in DUA that cannot be accomplish with SMS or SUS.
> > >> Those heavy solutions have scripting support too.
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Regards,
> > >> KM, BSquare Corp.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > I'm not that familiar with the other update mechanisms but that is why
> > >> > I
> > >> > like DUA. When you want to perform updates copy a script, put it into a
> > >> > Lan
> > >> > Directory, let the machines update, then have the script Commit and
> > >> > Reboot
> > >> > the machine when its done. Been working great here.
> > >> >
> > >> > Richard
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > "Slobodan Brcin (eMVP)" <sbrcin@ptt.yu> wrote in message
> > >> > news:%23$od4SdQFHA.3664@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> > >> > > Mike,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Is this RAM EWF?
> > >> > > If so then you must reboot your computer in order for changes to be
> > >> > > saved
> > >> > > :-(
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Regarding the updates. You can do immediate update of services,
> > >> > > drivers
> > >> > > programs that are not loaded, for anything more you must reboot
> > >> > > computer
> > >> > > since many things just can't be stopped and started during the work.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Sorry this was not what you wanted to hear, but that is how things
> > >> > > work.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Regards,
> > >> > > Slobodan
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > "Mike" <michal.banys@s-link.pl> wrote in message
> > >> > > news:94e5a5fd.0504150130.47c46f@posting.google.com...
> > >> > >> Hi All,
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> I do not know how to solve following problem:
> > >> > >> I have about 150 identical computers based on XPe OS working in LAN
> > >> > >> network.
> > >> > >> OS contains
> > >> > >> - Windows Update Agent
> > >> > >> - Windows Update Agent for SUS 1.0 Servers
> > >> > >> and
> > >> > >> - Task manager shell (prefered then Explorer Shell for our
> > >> > >> computers)
> > >> > >> components. Each station have EWF enabled becouse there are CFs.
> > >> > >> Also there is one SUS Server based on Windows 2003 Server.
> > >> > >> Everything works correctly, becouse when I exchange Task Manager
> > >> > >> Shell
> > >> > >> for Explorer Shell, the notification icon appears, I can download
> > >> > >> and
> > >> > >> install updates in mode configured in Group Policy.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> The problem is how system notify an administrator about upgreades
> > >> > >> download and install (i chosed option 3-Notify for download and
> > >> > >> notify
> > >> > >> for install, becouse after update ewfmgr c: -commit command have to
> > >> > >> be
> > >> > >> executed) when there is only task manager shell. In my systems
> > >> > >> nothing
> > >> > >> happend. (When one computer works one based on Explorer Shell and
> > >> > >> the
> > >> > >> second based on Task Manager Shell, both in the same LAN, the first
> > >> > >> one notify me about updates but the second doesn't). How XPe based
> > >> > >> on
> > >> > >> Task Manager Shell notify administrator about updates?
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> The second problem I have to solve is how to do updates for so many
> > >> > >> computers automaticaly. Is there any possibility to do updates
> > >> > >> automaticaly (but not restart after updates!!!) and notify me about
> > >> > >> that in any way, so I can do CF commit (my application is in able to
> > >> > >> do commit remotely, so it doesn't take to much time). Or mayby there
> > >> > >> is other way to update and commit komputer without login (for over
> > >> > >> 150
> > >> > >> station it would take ages to log in, update, and commit CF, even
> > >> > >> doing it remotely, using for exaple remote desktop!). I can set up
> > >> > >> automatic download and update, but how system notify administrator
> > >> > >> that it was executet correctly without restart (CF commit).
> > >> > >> This problem is very important to me!
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> Greetings
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> Mike
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> >
> >
>
>
>