Simple way to explain hard disk issue



Allen L.
07-09-2005, 11:54 PM
Have a friend that has two Dell computers (only one hard drive in each),
each running WinXP. I'm having problems explaining to him that he can't just
remove an active bootable hard drive from one of the computers and install
the hard drive in the other computer to replace that computer's present hard
drive and it will boot up and 'work' with no problems. Both Dell's are the
*same* models (4700's - with 'same' brand motherboards). I've tried to tell
him the motherboards are really *not* completely the same (BIOS,etc.), and
therefore the hard drives are *not* interchangable from one to the other.

Can anyone give me a very simple explanation I can tell him, that he would
'kind of' understand? I can't seem to make it simple enough for him.

Thank you very much.

....Allen

Stephen
07-09-2005, 11:54 PM
Allen L. wrote:
>> Have a friend that has two Dell computers (only one hard drive in
>> each), each running WinXP. I'm having problems explaining to him
>> that he can't just remove an active bootable hard drive from one of
>> the computers and install the hard drive in the other computer to
>> replace that computer's present hard drive and it will boot up and
>> 'work' with no problems. Both Dell's are the *same* models (4700's -
>> with 'same' brand motherboards). I've tried to tell him the
>> motherboards are really *not* completely the same (BIOS,etc.), and
>> therefore the hard drives are *not* interchangable from one to the
>> other.
>>
>> Can anyone give me a very simple explanation I can tell him, that he
>> would 'kind of' understand? I can't seem to make it simple enough
>> for him.
>>
>> Thank you very much.
>>
>> ...Allen

Actually, it might work. Windows is very flexible and probably will detect
the change of hardware and compensate. I've popped in harddrives from
completely different computers and the Windows on them have detected the
environment change and made the appropriate changes in order for to run
there. It might require re-activating Windows though, so there are licencing
considerations. If the Windows is the Dell version I don't know how it is
licensed etc. etc. Check with Dell.

kurttrail
07-09-2005, 11:54 PM
Allen L. wrote:
> Have a friend that has two Dell computers (only one hard drive in
> each), each running WinXP. I'm having problems explaining to him that
> he can't just remove an active bootable hard drive from one of the
> computers and install the hard drive in the other computer to replace
> that computer's present hard drive and it will boot up and 'work'
> with no problems. Both Dell's are the *same* models (4700's - with
> 'same' brand motherboards). I've tried to tell him the motherboards
> are really *not* completely the same (BIOS,etc.), and therefore the
> hard drives are *not* interchangable from one to the other.
> Can anyone give me a very simple explanation I can tell him, that he
> would 'kind of' understand? I can't seem to make it simple enough for
> him.
> Thank you very much.
>
> ...Allen

Same model? Then how are you certain they have different BIOS? And you
can updated the BIOSon both.

If it is indeed the same model, and has basically the same internal
components, especially mobo chipset, then it is highly likely the you
could just swap harddrives and boot right up into XP.

With the proper preparation, even two totally disparate computers could
swap harddrives and still boot up, I know, I this the beginning of this
year. Went from a mobo with a AMD XP processor and Via chipset, to PCIe
mobo with Intel processor and Intel chipset. By removing the previous
mobo chipset drivers prior to the move, xp successfully found the new
drivers and booted up. It wasn't a perfect install though, so a week
later I did a repair install and have been good to go ever since!

But in your friends case, with seemingly similar components, he probably
wouldn't even need to do any prep or a repair install.

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Allen L.
07-09-2005, 11:54 PM
> Allen L. wrote:
>> Have a friend that has two Dell computers (only one hard drive in
>> each), each running WinXP. I'm having problems explaining to him that
>> he can't just remove an active bootable hard drive from one of the
>> computers and install the hard drive in the other computer to replace
>> that computer's present hard drive and it will boot up and 'work'
>> with no problems. Both Dell's are the *same* models (4700's - with
>> 'same' brand motherboards). I've tried to tell him the motherboards
>> are really *not* completely the same (BIOS,etc.), and therefore the
>> hard drives are *not* interchangable from one to the other.
>> Can anyone give me a very simple explanation I can tell him, that he
>> would 'kind of' understand? I can't seem to make it simple enough for
>> him.
>> Thank you very much.
>>
>> ...Allen

>In news:O2a%23zMrZFHA.2900@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl,
>kurttrail <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> typed:

> Same model? Then how are you certain they have different BIOS? And
> you can updated the BIOSon both.
>
> If it is indeed the same model, and has basically the same internal
> components, especially mobo chipset, then it is highly likely the you
> could just swap harddrives and boot right up into XP.
>
> With the proper preparation, even two totally disparate computers
> could swap harddrives and still boot up, I know, I this the
> beginning of this year. Went from a mobo with a AMD XP processor and
> Via chipset, to PCIe mobo with Intel processor and Intel chipset. By
> removing the previous mobo chipset drivers prior to the move, xp
> successfully found the new drivers and booted up. It wasn't a
> perfect install though, so a week later I did a repair install and
> have been good to go ever since!
> But in your friends case, with seemingly similar components, he
> probably wouldn't even need to do any prep or a repair install.

In other words, you uninstalled everything in Device Manager on the object
computer for the transfer, and then put the 'new' hard drive (from the other
computer) in and let it find new drivers for the hardware in Device Manager?
What failed later with the install? Some of the installed programs, or
hardware issues?

Thanks,

....Allen

kurttrail
07-09-2005, 11:54 PM
Allen L. wrote:
>> Allen L. wrote:
>>> Have a friend that has two Dell computers (only one hard drive in
>>> each), each running WinXP. I'm having problems explaining to him
>>> that he can't just remove an active bootable hard drive from one of
>>> the computers and install the hard drive in the other computer to
>>> replace that computer's present hard drive and it will boot up and
>>> 'work' with no problems. Both Dell's are the *same* models (4700's
>>> - with 'same' brand motherboards). I've tried to tell him the
>>> motherboards are really *not* completely the same (BIOS,etc.), and
>>> therefore the hard drives are *not* interchangable from one to the
>>> other. Can anyone give me a very simple explanation I can tell him,
>>> that he
>>> would 'kind of' understand? I can't seem to make it simple enough
>>> for him.
>>> Thank you very much.
>>>
>>> ...Allen
>
>> In news:O2a%23zMrZFHA.2900@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl,
>> kurttrail <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> typed:
>
>> Same model? Then how are you certain they have different BIOS? And
>> you can updated the BIOSon both.
>>
>> If it is indeed the same model, and has basically the same internal
>> components, especially mobo chipset, then it is highly likely the you
>> could just swap harddrives and boot right up into XP.
>>
>> With the proper preparation, even two totally disparate computers
>> could swap harddrives and still boot up, I know, I this the
>> beginning of this year. Went from a mobo with a AMD XP processor and
>> Via chipset, to PCIe mobo with Intel processor and Intel chipset. By
>> removing the previous mobo chipset drivers prior to the move, xp
>> successfully found the new drivers and booted up. It wasn't a
>> perfect install though, so a week later I did a repair install and
>> have been good to go ever since!
>> But in your friends case, with seemingly similar components, he
>> probably wouldn't even need to do any prep or a repair install.
>
> In other words, you uninstalled everything in Device Manager on the
> object computer for the transfer,

I uninstall what was gonna change, left what was basically the same.

> and then put the 'new' hard drive
> (from the other computer) in and let it find new drivers for the
> hardware in Device Manager?

And then I installed the real drivers, as most of MS's drivers are old
and minimalistic

> What failed later with the install?

Nothing really failed, I was getting an intermittent BSOD, and before I
spent time and hair that I can ill afford to lose, I just did a repair
install about a week later, reinstalled my drivers and haven't seen a
BSOD until yesterday, but I was screwing around and knoew what caused
that one.

> Some
> of the installed programs, or hardware issues?

Not sure, the repair install solved it, and I kept a couple of hairs a
little while longer.

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Linda Peterson
07-09-2005, 11:54 PM
Since the question was not whether or not it will work, but a simple way to
explain why it may or may not work I offer the following:

A computer has a lot of different varieties of components to make the whole
system work together (such as keyboards, mice, sound cards, cd roms, dvd
drives, monitors, graphic accelerator cards etc.), not JUST the operating
system and the hard drive.

If any of these devices vary in make or model between the computers, than it
is possible you may have a problem when the drive is moved between computer,
unless that exact device is already installed or is a true "plug n play"
device.

"Allen L." <invalid@invalid.org> wrote in message
news:EEine.32112$6g3.5174@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> Have a friend that has two Dell computers (only one hard drive in each),
> each running WinXP. I'm having problems explaining to him that he can't
just
> remove an active bootable hard drive from one of the computers and install
> the hard drive in the other computer to replace that computer's present
hard
> drive and it will boot up and 'work' with no problems. Both Dell's are the
> *same* models (4700's - with 'same' brand motherboards). I've tried to
tell
> him the motherboards are really *not* completely the same (BIOS,etc.), and
> therefore the hard drives are *not* interchangable from one to the other.
>
> Can anyone give me a very simple explanation I can tell him, that he would
> 'kind of' understand? I can't seem to make it simple enough for him.
>
> Thank you very much.
>
> ...Allen
>
>

Rock
07-09-2005, 11:54 PM
Allen L. wrote:

> Have a friend that has two Dell computers (only one hard drive in each),
> each running WinXP. I'm having problems explaining to him that he can't just
> remove an active bootable hard drive from one of the computers and install
> the hard drive in the other computer to replace that computer's present hard
> drive and it will boot up and 'work' with no problems. Both Dell's are the
> *same* models (4700's - with 'same' brand motherboards). I've tried to tell
> him the motherboards are really *not* completely the same (BIOS,etc.), and
> therefore the hard drives are *not* interchangable from one to the other.
>
> Can anyone give me a very simple explanation I can tell him, that he would
> 'kind of' understand? I can't seem to make it simple enough for him.
>
> Thank you very much.
>
> ...Allen
>
>

Just move the drive and find out. If it doesn't boot up or it does bu
there are some problems do a repair install with the installation CD.

http://michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm

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Allen L.
07-09-2005, 11:54 PM
In news:%23wsOjWsZFHA.3596@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl,
Linda Peterson <petersonl@dor.state.ma.us> typed:
> Since the question was not whether or not it will work, but a simple
> way to explain why it may or may not work I offer the following:
>
> A computer has a lot of different varieties of components to make the
> whole system work together (such as keyboards, mice, sound cards, cd
> roms, dvd drives, monitors, graphic accelerator cards etc.), not JUST
> the operating system and the hard drive.
>
> If any of these devices vary in make or model between the computers,
> than it is possible you may have a problem when the drive is moved
> between computer, unless that exact device is already installed or is
> a true "plug n play" device.
>

Thanks for the explanations, and thank you Linda as your description was
what I wanted to express to my friend. As most, if not all of his components
(hardware) will be the same, the swap will more than likely work on the Dell
computers. However I can see where there could be problems with transfer to
an entirely different computer with a different MB and devices.

....Allen

> "Allen L." <invalid@invalid.org> wrote in message
> news:EEine.32112$6g3.5174@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>> Have a friend that has two Dell computers (only one hard drive in
>> each), each running WinXP. I'm having problems explaining to him
>> that he can't just remove an active bootable hard drive from one of
>> the computers and install the hard drive in the other computer to
>> replace that computer's present hard drive and it will boot up and
>> 'work' with no problems. Both Dell's are the *same* models (4700's -
>> with 'same' brand motherboards). I've tried to
> tell
>> him the motherboards are really *not* completely the same
>> (BIOS,etc.), and therefore the hard drives are *not* interchangable
>> from one to the other.
>>
>> Can anyone give me a very simple explanation I can tell him, that he
>> would 'kind of' understand? I can't seem to make it simple enough
>> for him.
>>
>> Thank you very much.
>>
>> ...Allen

Yves Leclerc
07-09-2005, 11:55 PM
Unless the Dells came with those "crazy" useless recovery CDs.

If the two Dells are 100% the same (including the hard drives) then changing
the hard drive "should" work!

As for explaining the reason it will not work:

Microsoft Windows XP installation process looks that the hard ware of the PC
and generates as unique code.
This code is then "sent" to Microsoft so as to give this PC an "activation"
code.
Activation code then "unlock" XP for use past 30 day.
This is more commonly known as the Product Activation.

And we are still complain about it!!!!!!


"Rock" <rock@mail.nospam.net> wrote in message
news:etULcZsZFHA.1092@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Allen L. wrote:
>
>> Have a friend that has two Dell computers (only one hard drive in each),
>> each running WinXP. I'm having problems explaining to him that he can't
>> just remove an active bootable hard drive from one of the computers and
>> install the hard drive in the other computer to replace that computer's
>> present hard drive and it will boot up and 'work' with no problems. Both
>> Dell's are the *same* models (4700's - with 'same' brand motherboards).
>> I've tried to tell him the motherboards are really *not* completely the
>> same (BIOS,etc.), and therefore the hard drives are *not* interchangable
>> from one to the other.
>>
>> Can anyone give me a very simple explanation I can tell him, that he
>> would 'kind of' understand? I can't seem to make it simple enough for
>> him.
>>
>> Thank you very much.
>>
>> ...Allen
>
> Just move the drive and find out. If it doesn't boot up or it does bu
> there are some problems do a repair install with the installation CD.
>
> http://michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm
>
> --
> Rock
> MS MVP Windows - Shell/User
>

Ron Martell
07-09-2005, 11:55 PM
"Allen L." <invalid@invalid.org> wrote:

>Have a friend that has two Dell computers (only one hard drive in each),
>each running WinXP. I'm having problems explaining to him that he can't just
>remove an active bootable hard drive from one of the computers and install
>the hard drive in the other computer to replace that computer's present hard
>drive and it will boot up and 'work' with no problems. Both Dell's are the
>*same* models (4700's - with 'same' brand motherboards). I've tried to tell
>him the motherboards are really *not* completely the same (BIOS,etc.), and
>therefore the hard drives are *not* interchangable from one to the other.
>
>Can anyone give me a very simple explanation I can tell him, that he would
>'kind of' understand? I can't seem to make it simple enough for him.
>
>Thank you very much.
>
>...Allen
>

A check of the support sites for computer manufacturers will show that
there are often significant hardware differences between computers
that have the same model number.

I am more familiar with the vagaries of HP and Compaq models than with
Dell, as I see more of these in my shop, but it is commonplace to go
to the update site for a specific computer model and see several
different choices for video cards, sound cards, modems, network cards,
and other components all for the same computer model number.

So just having the same model number is no guarantee that the internal
components will be the same, and if there are hardware differences
then there is a possibility that the hard drive swap will not work.

Good luck


Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
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guestfromhell
07-09-2005, 11:55 PM
Thats why we us a SAM ediitor or a program called SYSPREP. it removes
the uniqueness of the windows installation.

read this, http://tinyurl.com/5ecqb its all about sysprep. I think it
highly likely you could do it that way between two identicle Dells.


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Allen L.
07-09-2005, 11:55 PM
In news:guestfromhell.1pyx0q@no-mx.forums.iamnotageek.com,
guestfromhell <guestfromhell.1pyx0q@no-mx.forums.iamnotageek.com> typed:
> Thats why we us a SAM ediitor or a program called SYSPREP. it removes
> the uniqueness of the windows installation.
>
> read this, http://tinyurl.com/5ecqb its all about sysprep. I think it
> highly likely you could do it that way between two identicle Dells.

I want to thank everyone for his and her replies. Your information is
invaluable. I will pass on all this to my friend and he can now make up his
mind if he wants to attempt to swap the hard drives from one computer to the
other.

All the best,

....Allen


Simple way to explain hard disk issue