more than one computer on xp?



bianca c
07-10-2005, 12:53 AM
i just bougth XP to install on my computer, but i have two computers (both
previously ME) that I wanted to upgrade. Is it possible to install the same
cd on both computers?

Thanks!

Kelly
07-10-2005, 12:53 AM
you should be able to uninstall xp as long as it's before the 30 days for
activation run out. in theory, you could uninstall and reinstall every 30
days, but that's a pain in the butt and it's easier to pay the $84 for an
additional license. that way you can put it on 2 machines. its like 2 copies
only you just have 1 cd. regardless, to uninstall xp, check this out:

How to uninstall Windows XP and revert to a previous operating system
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;303661

Good Luck!

"bianca c" wrote:

> if i try to install it on my second computer and it wont let me (b/c of the
> dbl activation problem), will i be able to revert back to my old ME without
> any problems?
>
>
> "bianca c" wrote:
>
> > i just bougth XP to install on my computer, but i have two computers (both
> > previously ME) that I wanted to upgrade. Is it possible to install the same
> > cd on both computers?
> >
> > Thanks!

Jupiter Jones [MVP]
07-10-2005, 12:53 AM
Bianca;
No
One licence, one computer, the way it has always been with all Microsoft
consumer operating systems since at least Windows 95.
Read your EULA for details:
Start/Run
Type "winver" ENTER
Click "End User License..."

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol
http://www.dts-l.org


"bianca c" <bianca c@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:10838891-F6CF-4329-9B15-07DC0ACB6384@microsoft.com...
>i just bougth XP to install on my computer, but i have two computers (both
> previously ME) that I wanted to upgrade. Is it possible to install the
> same
> cd on both computers?
>
> Thanks!

bianca c
07-10-2005, 12:53 AM
if i try to install it on my second computer and it wont let me (b/c of the
dbl activation problem), will i be able to revert back to my old ME without
any problems?


"bianca c" wrote:

> i just bougth XP to install on my computer, but i have two computers (both
> previously ME) that I wanted to upgrade. Is it possible to install the same
> cd on both computers?
>
> Thanks!

Stephen
07-10-2005, 12:53 AM
bianca c wrote:
>> i just bougth XP to install on my computer, but i have two computers
>> (both previously ME) that I wanted to upgrade. Is it possible to
>> install the same cd on both computers?
>>
>> Thanks!

Microsoft asks that you purchase a copy/licence of their software for each
computer you install Windows on.

In other words:
1 computer .. buy1 copy of Windows .. so pay once.
2 computers .. therefore buy 2 copies of Windows .. so pay twice.

If the computers in question are business computers, to buy only one copy
but install it on two computers is probably some sort of civil offence
and/or crime [it's not stealing but it is probably a copyright offence].
There's a running debate if this holds true within the home [privacy rights,
fair use rights, protection from search and seisure etc. etc. might usurp
any notion of an EULA having any validity]

However, it is technically possible to get one copy [with its associated
Product Key] onto two computers. You can search the web or read this
newsgroup to find out all the tricks. Windows Product Activation is in place
to discourage such activity, though, so if you go this route you might find
yourself telling lies on the phone, which would be immoral and shows a lack
of integrity. Notice though, one is not required to divulge any information
during the telephone activation session, so if you are shewd you can avoid
lying, perhaps not to yourself, but at least to the person on the other end
of the phone.

In no uncertain terms grab yourself a pirated copy. They very much could
have harmful software inserted into the copy which could compromise your
privacy, identity and so on.

Sounds complicated and terrible, but do the right thing and you will
completely enjoy your Windows.

uggabugga
07-10-2005, 12:53 AM
According to the license agreement, you can only install one copy of XP in
one PC. After installing XP on a computer, the installation needs to be
activated. Activating a second copy online sends up a flag where the user
would need to call Microsoft. They will grill you to find out if you have
installed the copy on more than one PC. If you tell them you did, God only
knows what they can do to you.
--
That's just like my opinion, Man........


"bianca c" wrote:

> i just bougth XP to install on my computer, but i have two computers (both
> previously ME) that I wanted to upgrade. Is it possible to install the same
> cd on both computers?
>
> Thanks!

Mary
07-10-2005, 12:53 AM
Operating Systems belong to the single computer they came on or were
purchased for. You need to buy another upgrade cd for the second computer.
Save your ME cd's as long as you have those computers. You need to show the
disk when asked for proof of prior ownership every time you install xp.

"bianca c" wrote:

> i just bougth XP to install on my computer, but i have two computers (both
> previously ME) that I wanted to upgrade. Is it possible to install the same
> cd on both computers?
>
> Thanks!

Stephen
07-10-2005, 12:53 AM
uggabugga wrote:
>> According to the license agreement, you can only install one copy of
>> XP in one PC. After installing XP on a computer, the installation
>> needs to be activated. Activating a second copy online sends up a
>> flag where the user would need to call Microsoft. They will grill
>> you to find out if you have installed the copy on more than one PC.
>> If you tell them you did, God only knows what they can do to you.
>> --
>> That's just like my opinion, Man........
>>
>>
>> "bianca c" wrote:
>>
>>> i just bougth XP to install on my computer, but i have two
>>> computers (both previously ME) that I wanted to upgrade. Is it
>>> possible to install the same cd on both computers?
>>>
>>> Thanks!

Rumour has it there are special locked rooms at the Microsoft campus for
people who do that. Terrible rumours, fearsome whipsers. You DO NOT want to
find out. Some say they adminster the ultimate torture: they make you
install and configure a Linux distribution and don't let you leave until it
is running smoothly. I imagine some never get out .. ahem .. I'm not sure
this is a good thread for a Godly person. Just the thought brrrrrr

Stephen
07-10-2005, 12:53 AM
bianca c wrote:
>> i just bougth XP to install on my computer, but i have two computers
>> (both previously ME) that I wanted to upgrade. Is it possible to
>> install the same cd on both computers?
>>
>> Thanks!

Whoops I want to add:

There is an arragnement Microsoft offers where you just buy an additional
licence at a slightly discounted price rather than having to go buy a whole
new box with CD-ROM:

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/addlic.mspx

kurttrail
07-10-2005, 12:53 AM
bianca c wrote:
> i just bougth XP to install on my computer, but i have two computers
> (both previously ME) that I wanted to upgrade. Is it possible to
> install the same cd on both computers?
>
> Thanks!

http://www.microscum.com/mmpafaq/

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kurttrail
07-10-2005, 12:53 AM
Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
> "bianca c" <bianca c@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:10838891-F6CF-4329-9B15-07DC0ACB6384@microsoft.com...
>> i just bougth XP to install on my computer, but i have two computers
>> (both previously ME) that I wanted to upgrade. Is it possible to
>> install the same
>> cd on both computers?
>>
>> Thanks!
>
> Bianca;
> No
> One licence, one computer, the way it has always been with all
> Microsoft consumer operating systems since at least Windows 95.
> Read your EULA for details:
> Start/Run
> Type "winver" ENTER
> Click "End User License..."

She didn't ask about the EULA, she asked, " Is it possible to install
the same cd on both computers?"

And the truthful answer to her actual question is YES, it is possible.
Saying NO is a lie, as you KNOW that it is "possible to install the same
cd on both computers!"

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Jupiter Jones [MVP]
07-10-2005, 12:53 AM
No it is not a lie.
You like to call those who disagree with you liars.
Another of your feeble ways of self promotion.
Another may follow.

It is not possible to comply with the EULA and install on multiple
computers.
I made that clear in my post for all to see, but you somehow missed it.
Perhaps if you snipped after you read instead of before, you might not miss
next time.
If people want a dishonest answer, they can ask elsewhere.
If they want an honest answer, that is what she got.
I assumed Bianca desired to comply with the EULA she already agreed.

If you want to take the phrase "Is it possible..." to the limits, almost
nothing is impossible.
So an answer to "Is it possible..." is almost yes.
But integrity often dictates otherwise.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol
http://www.dts-l.org


"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in message
news:%
> She didn't ask about the EULA, she asked, " Is it possible to install the
> same cd on both computers?"
>
> And the truthful answer to her actual question is YES, it is possible.
> Saying NO is a lie, as you KNOW that it is "possible to install the same
> cd on both computers!"
>
> --
> Peace!
> Kurt
> Self-anointed Moderator
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

Ken Blake
07-10-2005, 12:53 AM
In news:10838891-F6CF-4329-9B15-07DC0ACB6384@microsoft.com,
bianca c <bianca c@discussions.microsoft.com> typed:

> i just bougth XP to install on my computer, but i have two
> computers
> (both previously ME) that I wanted to upgrade. Is it possible
> to
> install the same cd on both computers?


No. The rule is quite clear. It's one copy (or one license) for
each computer.

There's nothing new here. This is exactly the same rule that's
been in effect on every version of Windows starting with Windows
3.1. The only thing new with XP is that there's now an
enforcement mechanism.

If yours is a retail version, not an OEM one, you can buy extra
licenses (see
<http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/howtobuy/addlic.asp>).
But it's not generally a good deal. The problem is that Microsoft
sells additional licenses at only a small savings over the list
price. You're almost certainly better off just buying a complete
second copy from a discount source.


--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
Please reply to the newsgroup

kurttrail
07-10-2005, 12:53 AM
Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
> No it is not a lie.
> You like to call those who disagree with you liars.
> Another of your feeble ways of self promotion.
> Another may follow.
>
> It is not possible to comply with the EULA and install on multiple
> computers.

The question didn't ask about the EULA it was "Is it possible to install
the same
cd on both computers?"

And the truthful answer is Yes, Bianca, it is possible.

The lie would be saying that it is not possible.

If you said Yes, it is possible, but against the EULA, that would be the
truth. But you had to say "No," and made a liar out of yourself. And
no amount of spinning will get you out of your obvious lie.

> I made that clear in my post for all to see, but you somehow missed
> it.

Clearly you lied, as it is very possible "to install the same cd on both
computers." That the EULA says you can't, does not change the FACT that
it is indeed physically possible to do!

But let's see you spin your obvious lie some more!

> Perhaps if you snipped after you read instead of before, you
> might not miss next time.

I snipped nothing Juppy! OE-quotefix snipped your sig only.

Yet another lie! I repeated you entire reply, except your sig.

> If people want a dishonest answer, they can ask elsewhere.

Actually, you answer was dishonest, as you know perfectly well that it
IS IN FACT "POSSIBLE TO INSTALL THE SAME CD ON BOTH COMPUTERS!"

> If they want an honest answer, that is what she got.

No is not the truthful answer to her question, as it is possible to
install the same CD on both computers! And it may even be legitimate to
do under the EULA if she uses a different Product Key, but you didn't
mention that possiblity, did you?! You just said a big emphatic lie of
a NO!

So you are just a liar. You didn' answer the question that was actually
asked!

> I assumed Bianca desired to comply with the EULA she already agreed.

YOU ASSUMED! You assumed that Bianca didn't want the question she
actually asked answered truthfully, so you gave her the answer you
wanted to give that DID NOT TRUTHFULLY ANSWER THE QUESTION THAT WAS
ASKED!

>
> If you want to take the phrase "Is it possible..." to the limits,
> almost nothing is impossible.

That was the question that was asked, JUPPY! "Is it possible to install
the same
cd on both computers?"

And it isn't hard to do, either!

> So an answer to "Is it possible..." is almost yes.

LOL! It sure as hell isn't NO!

> But integrity often dictates otherwise.

Integrity would dictate that MS would acknowledge an individual's right
to "fair use," but intregrity doesn't stop MS from trying to con people
that they can shrink-wrap license it away!

>
>
> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
> message news:%
>> She didn't ask about the EULA, she asked, " Is it possible to
>> install the same cd on both computers?"
>>
>> And the truthful answer to her actual question is YES, it is
>> possible. Saying NO is a lie, as you KNOW that it is "possible to
>> install the same cd on both computers!"
>>
>> --
>> Peace!
>> Kurt
>> Self-anointed Moderator
>> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
>> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

See, use a program to snip you signature. Your integrity is that you
can change the words that other people write on your own whim. So mush
for your integrity, Juppy!

--
Peace!
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"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

Jupiter Jones [MVP]
07-10-2005, 12:54 AM
It is not a simple yes or no question although it was phrased that way.
Your own answer seems to agree, otherwise you would have answered instead of
posting your link.
"Yes, Bianca, it is possible"
Interesting you did not use what you suggest is the correct answer.
Perhaps you are a liar since you can not say to her what you said to me.
It is not possible and comply with the EULA.
Perhaps you are a liar since you ignore the EULA.

I answered her and made clear based on the agreement.
Read my post again and it is clear I am referring to compliance with the
EULA.
If further clarification is desired, the OP can post back.
Your need to promote going against the EULA and assuming others do not value
their word is astounding.

Your continual need to call me a liar demonstrates just how desperate you
are becoming.
Also your crying about my changing your words is pointless.
Nothing of substance of your post was changed.
I just removed offensive elements of your signature none of which had any
bearing on the subject of this thread.
And yet you whine about it again.
So desperate for self promotion as previously stated.
If you were capable of supporting your point of view, you could do so
without the need to shore up your position with personal attacks.

Good bye Kurt
Post back as your ego needs to have the last word and your lack of self
control demands.

--
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http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol
http://www.dts-l.org


"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in message
news:OoIhDDlZFHA.1368@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
>> No it is not a lie.
>> You like to call those who disagree with you liars.
>> Another of your feeble ways of self promotion.
>> Another may follow.
>>
>> It is not possible to comply with the EULA and install on multiple
>> computers.
>
> The question didn't ask about the EULA it was "Is it possible to install
> the same
> cd on both computers?"
>
> And the truthful answer is Yes, Bianca, it is possible.
>
> The lie would be saying that it is not possible.
>
> If you said Yes, it is possible, but against the EULA, that would be the
> truth. But you had to say "No," and made a liar out of yourself. And no
> amount of spinning will get you out of your obvious lie.
>
>> I made that clear in my post for all to see, but you somehow missed
>> it.
>
> Clearly you lied, as it is very possible "to install the same cd on both
> computers." That the EULA says you can't, does not change the FACT that
> it is indeed physically possible to do!
>
> But let's see you spin your obvious lie some more!
>
>> Perhaps if you snipped after you read instead of before, you
>> might not miss next time.
>
> I snipped nothing Juppy! OE-quotefix snipped your sig only.
>
> Yet another lie! I repeated you entire reply, except your sig.
>
>> If people want a dishonest answer, they can ask elsewhere.
>
> Actually, you answer was dishonest, as you know perfectly well that it IS
> IN FACT "POSSIBLE TO INSTALL THE SAME CD ON BOTH COMPUTERS!"
>
>> If they want an honest answer, that is what she got.
>
> No is not the truthful answer to her question, as it is possible to
> install the same CD on both computers! And it may even be legitimate to
> do under the EULA if she uses a different Product Key, but you didn't
> mention that possiblity, did you?! You just said a big emphatic lie of a
> NO!
>
> So you are just a liar. You didn' answer the question that was actually
> asked!
>
>> I assumed Bianca desired to comply with the EULA she already agreed.
>
> YOU ASSUMED! You assumed that Bianca didn't want the question she
> actually asked answered truthfully, so you gave her the answer you wanted
> to give that DID NOT TRUTHFULLY ANSWER THE QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED!
>
>>
>> If you want to take the phrase "Is it possible..." to the limits,
>> almost nothing is impossible.
>
> That was the question that was asked, JUPPY! "Is it possible to install
> the same
> cd on both computers?"
>
> And it isn't hard to do, either!
>
>> So an answer to "Is it possible..." is almost yes.
>
> LOL! It sure as hell isn't NO!
>
>> But integrity often dictates otherwise.
>
> Integrity would dictate that MS would acknowledge an individual's right to
> "fair use," but intregrity doesn't stop MS from trying to con people that
> they can shrink-wrap license it away!
>
>>
>>
>> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
>> message news:%
>>> She didn't ask about the EULA, she asked, " Is it possible to
>>> install the same cd on both computers?"
>>>
>>> And the truthful answer to her actual question is YES, it is
>>> possible. Saying NO is a lie, as you KNOW that it is "possible to
>>> install the same cd on both computers!"
>>>
>>> --
>>> Peace!
>>> Kurt
>>> Self-anointed Moderator
>>> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
>>> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"
>
> See, use a program to snip you signature. Your integrity is that you can
> change the words that other people write on your own whim. So mush for
> your integrity, Juppy!
>
> --
> Peace!
> Kurt
> Self-anointed Moderator
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

kurttrail
07-10-2005, 12:54 AM
Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
> It is not a simple yes or no question although it was phrased that
> way.

It is possible. The simple answer is a Yes, not the "NO" you gave.

Yes is the truth. "No" is a lie. It is possible to install the same cd
on both computers. PERIOD!

> Your own answer seems to agree, otherwise you would have
> answered instead of posting your link.

I gave the link to show her how it is possible.

I didn't feel the need to go into details that are already stated on my
web site.

> "Yes, Bianca, it is possible"

Too bad you didn't say that TRUTHFUL answer, and then go into you EULA
BS.

You said "No" a lie and then continued with your EULA BS.

> Interesting you did not use what you suggest is the correct answer.

LOL! I gave a link that shows it is in FACT possible. Do I really have
to be redundent?

But what I didn't do was to answer disengenuously! I didn't LIE, like
you did! It is a LIE because you know full well that it is in FACT
possible to do! That MS's EULA says you aren't allowed to doesn't
change the FACT that it is in reality possible to do!

> Perhaps you are a liar since you can not say to her what you said to
> me.

Whatever Juppy. I showed her how it was possible, and I didn't get
caught lying. You did get caught! So spin away, Juppy. My conscience
is totally clear. I didn't lie at all! You did!

> It is not possible and comply with the EULA.

That was NOT the question asked, and it is possible to install the same
cd on both computers and still comply with the EULA, and I mentioned
that in my last post!

"No is not the truthful answer to her question, as it is possible to
install the same CD on both computers! And it may even be legitimate to
do under the EULA if she uses a different Product Key, but you didn't
mention that possiblity, did you?! You just said a big emphatic lie of
a NO!"

Yes it is possible to install the same cd on both computers and still
comply with MS's interpretation of it EULA claim! If she uses to
separate and distinct Product Keys!

But you are just too blinded to see the possibilities under reality!
You live in a very small and narrow MicroUniverse, where you can't see
the possibilities of reality!

> Perhaps you are a liar since you ignore the EULA.

Perhaps, but then my link covers the EULA nonsense too! But please
continue to attack me for giving a link, to cover up your obvious lie!
I am totally amused!

> I answered her and made clear based on the agreement.

And it is wrong. Not only is it possible to do in reality, it is
possible to do and still comply with MS's EULA claims, as I said in my
last post, and repeated again in this one!

> Read my post again and it is clear I am referring to compliance with
> the EULA.

I read it.

Bianca: "Is it possible to install the same cd on both computers?"

Juppy:

Bianca;
No [line break signifying an end to this definitively wrong answer to
Bianca's simple question]
[Start of EULA BS]

And as I have already shown in this post and my last post, it is still
possible to do and still comply with the EULA BS. So NO, is a totally
incorrect answer when talking about possibilities!!!

> If further clarification is desired, the OP can post back.

Why? It was more than likely a troll, and that is the reason I just
gave my link, and then used your answer to expose you as the obvious
liar that you are.

> Your need to promote going against the EULA and assuming others do
> not value their word is astounding.

LOL! I have shown it is possible to do even under the EULA BS, you are
just too blinded to see the possibilities!

"Why let MS be the Judge in your own home, when they are too afraid to
bring their One Computer EULA term before a *real* Judge? Until then,
shouldn't you be the Judge in your own home?"

I leave it up to each person that reads my words to decide what is right
for themselves. I believe that that is their right! You believe in
blind compliance no matter what. You are for the corporations right
over the human being! You are an agent for conforming to Big Brother!

>
> Your continual need to call me a liar demonstrates just how desperate
> you are becoming.

LOL! It does? How, when you know it is possible to do, but say it
isn't? How is me pointing out the obvious fact of your lie, desperate?

> Also your crying about my changing your words is pointless.

LOL! You cried about me snipping when I didn't snip anything! OE
quotefix snipped your sig, as it snips everyones sig I reply to.

> Nothing of substance of your post was changed.

LOL! My sig was changed from what I wrote! You go out of your way to
change my words by xing them out! I don't change your words. Hell, if
I saw someone change your words, I'd tell them in no uncertain terms to
stop. But I am a man of integrity. You are a person that is so
arrogant that you feel it is your right to change the words of others.
I'd have no problem with you snipping my entire signature. But changing
the words of others is just the actions of a fascist.

> I just removed offensive elements of your signature none of which had
> any bearing on the subject of this thread.

Then snip the whole sig. By changing my words, you are showing that you
are a fascist. They are not you words to change. They are mine. And
if you have an ounce of integrity that you claim you do, then you
wouldn't do it.

> And yet you whine about it again.

I'm not whining, I love it that you show that you go out of your way to
change my words. It clearly demonstrates how lacking in integrity you
really are. Thank you. Please continue to demonstrate what a true
scumbag you really are.

> So desperate for self promotion as previously stated.

LOL! Yes, I enjoy making fun of myself in my sig, say that I the
Self-Anointed Moderator of
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea

And by cutting my self-deprecating joke, you show how silly you are
too!!

> If you were capable of supporting your point of view, you could do so
> without the need to shore up your position with personal attacks.

LOL! What personal attack?

It was the truth that you deliberately presented a false statement as
being true. It is a FACT that it is possible to install the same cod on
both computers. Answering "No" was a total fallacy!

>
> Good bye Kurt

It is not Good Bye, but Fare thee well!

> Post back as your ego needs to have the last word and your lack of
> self control demands.

I will answere any post I want to answer, my ego does not play into it.
You are leaving this conversation as you know the more you reply the
more people will see that you are indeed a liar, and a fascist. You
need to runaway from this conversation to save what little self-respect
you have left, as you know you were caught in a lie, but you aren't man
enough to admit that you were wrong.

So run along little Juppy-liar! Until next time!


> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
> message news:OoIhDDlZFHA.1368@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
>>> No it is not a lie.
>>> You like to call those who disagree with you liars.
>>> Another of your feeble ways of self promotion.
>>> Another may follow.
>>>
>>> It is not possible to comply with the EULA and install on multiple
>>> computers.
>>
>> The question didn't ask about the EULA it was "Is it possible to
>> install the same
>> cd on both computers?"
>>
>> And the truthful answer is Yes, Bianca, it is possible.
>>
>> The lie would be saying that it is not possible.
>>
>> If you said Yes, it is possible, but against the EULA, that would be
>> the truth. But you had to say "No," and made a liar out of
>> yourself. And no amount of spinning will get you out of your
>> obvious lie.
>>> I made that clear in my post for all to see, but you somehow missed
>>> it.
>>
>> Clearly you lied, as it is very possible "to install the same cd on
>> both computers." That the EULA says you can't, does not change the
>> FACT that it is indeed physically possible to do!
>>
>> But let's see you spin your obvious lie some more!
>>
>>> Perhaps if you snipped after you read instead of before, you
>>> might not miss next time.
>>
>> I snipped nothing Juppy! OE-quotefix snipped your sig only.
>>
>> Yet another lie! I repeated you entire reply, except your sig.
>>
>>> If people want a dishonest answer, they can ask elsewhere.
>>
>> Actually, you answer was dishonest, as you know perfectly well that
>> it IS IN FACT "POSSIBLE TO INSTALL THE SAME CD ON BOTH COMPUTERS!"
>>
>>> If they want an honest answer, that is what she got.
>>
>> No is not the truthful answer to her question, as it is possible to
>> install the same CD on both computers! And it may even be
>> legitimate to do under the EULA if she uses a different Product Key,
>> but you didn't mention that possiblity, did you?! You just said a
>> big emphatic lie of a NO!
>>
>> So you are just a liar. You didn' answer the question that was
>> actually asked!
>>
>>> I assumed Bianca desired to comply with the EULA she already agreed.
>>
>> YOU ASSUMED! You assumed that Bianca didn't want the question she
>> actually asked answered truthfully, so you gave her the answer you
>> wanted to give that DID NOT TRUTHFULLY ANSWER THE QUESTION THAT WAS
>> ASKED!
>>>
>>> If you want to take the phrase "Is it possible..." to the limits,
>>> almost nothing is impossible.
>>
>> That was the question that was asked, JUPPY! "Is it possible to
>> install the same
>> cd on both computers?"
>>
>> And it isn't hard to do, either!
>>
>>> So an answer to "Is it possible..." is almost yes.
>>
>> LOL! It sure as hell isn't NO!
>>
>>> But integrity often dictates otherwise.
>>
>> Integrity would dictate that MS would acknowledge an individual's
>> right to "fair use," but intregrity doesn't stop MS from trying to
>> con people that they can shrink-wrap license it away!
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
>>> message news:%
>>>> She didn't ask about the EULA, she asked, " Is it possible to
>>>> install the same cd on both computers?"
>>>>
>>>> And the truthful answer to her actual question is YES, it is
>>>> possible. Saying NO is a lie, as you KNOW that it is "possible to
>>>> install the same cd on both computers!"
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Peace!
>>>> Kurt
>>>> Self-anointed Moderator
>>>> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
>>>> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"
>>
>> See, use a program to snip you signature. Your integrity is that
>> you can change the words that other people write on your own whim. So
>> mush for your integrity, Juppy!
>>
>> --
>> Peace!
>> Kurt
>> Self-anointed Moderator
>> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
>> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

See how much he has to go out of his way to change my sig! He is a
top-poster and after he is done composing his reply, he has to scroll
all the way down here to break out his X-ing finger! His Actions speak
for him, loud and clear!

--
Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.com/mscommunity
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

kurttrail
07-10-2005, 12:54 AM
Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
> It is not a simple yes or no question although it was phrased that
> way.

It is possible. The simple answer is a Yes, not the "NO" you gave.

Yes is the truth. "No" is a lie. It is possible to install the same cd
on both computers. PERIOD!

> Your own answer seems to agree, otherwise you would have
> answered instead of posting your link.

I gave the link to show her how it is possible.

I didn't feel the need to go into details that are already stated on my
web site.

> "Yes, Bianca, it is possible"

Too bad you didn't say that TRUTHFUL answer, and then go into you EULA
BS.

You said "No" a lie and then continued with your EULA BS.

> Interesting you did not use what you suggest is the correct answer.

! I gave a link that shows it is in FACT possible. Do I really have
to be redundent?

But what I didn't do was to answer disengenuously! I didn't LIE, like
you did! It is a LIE because you know full well that it is in FACT
possible to do! That MS's EULA says you aren't allowed to doesn't
change the FACT that it is in reality possible to do!

> Perhaps you are a liar since you can not say to her what you said to
> me.

Whatever Juppy. I showed her how it was possible, and I didn't get
caught lying. You did get caught! So spin away, Juppy. My conscience
is totally clear. I didn't lie at all! You did!

> It is not possible and comply with the EULA.

That was NOT the question asked, and it is possible to install the same
cd on both computers and still comply with the EULA, and I mentioned
that in my last post!

"No is not the truthful answer to her question, as it is possible to
install the same CD on both computers! And it may even be legitimate to
do under the EULA if she uses a different Product Key, but you didn't
mention that possiblity, did you?! You just said a big emphatic lie of
a NO!"

Yes it is possible to install the same cd on both computers and still
comply with MS's interpretation of it EULA claim! If she uses to
separate and distinct Product Keys!

But you are just too blinded to see the possibilities under reality!
You live in a very small and narrow MicroUniverse, where you can't see
the possibilities of reality!

> Perhaps you are a liar since you ignore the EULA.

Perhaps, but then my link covers the EULA nonsense too! But please
continue to attack me for giving a link, to cover up your obvious lie!
I am totally amused!

> I answered her and made clear based on the agreement.

And it is wrong. Not only is it possible to do in reality, it is
possible to do and still comply with MS's EULA claims, as I said in my
last post, and repeated again in this one!

> Read my post again and it is clear I am referring to compliance with
> the EULA.

I read it.

Bianca: "Is it possible to install the same cd on both computers?"

Juppy:

Bianca;
No [line break signifying an end to this definitively wrong answer to
Bianca's simple question]
[Start of EULA BS]

And as I have already shown in this post and my last post, it is still
possible to do and still comply with the EULA BS. So NO, is a totally
incorrect answer when talking about possibilities!!!

> If further clarification is desired, the OP can post back.

Why? It was more than likely a troll, and that is the reason I just
gave my link, and then used your answer to expose you as the obvious
liar that you are.

> Your need to promote going against the EULA and assuming others do
> not value their word is astounding.

! I have shown it is possible to do even under the EULA BS, you are
just too blinded to see the possibilities!

"Why let MS be the Judge in your own home, when they are too afraid to
bring their One Computer EULA term before a real Judge? Until then,
shouldn't you be the Judge in your own home?"

I leave it up to each person that reads my words to decide what is right
for themselves. I believe that that is their right! You believe in
blind compliance no matter what. You are for the corporations right
over the human being! You are an agent for conforming to Big Brother!

>
> Your continual need to call me a liar demonstrates just how desperate
> you are becoming.

! It does? How, when you know it is possible to do, but say it
isn't? How is me pointing out the obvious fact of your lie, desperate?

> Also your crying about my changing your words is pointless.

! You cried about me snipping when I didn't snip anything! OE
quotefix snipped your sig, as it snips everyones sig I reply to.

> Nothing of substance of your post was changed.

! My sig was changed from what I wrote! You go out of your way to
change my words by xing them out! I don't change your words. Hell, if
I saw someone change your words, I'd tell them in no uncertain terms to
stop. But I am a man of integrity. You are a person that is so
arrogant that you feel it is your right to change the words of others.
I'd have no problem with you snipping my entire signature. But changing
the words of others is just the actions of a fascist.

> I just removed offensive elements of your signature none of which had
> any bearing on the subject of this thread.

Then snip the whole sig. By changing my words, you are showing that you
are a fascist. They are not you words to change. They are mine. And
if you have an ounce of integrity that you claim you do, then you
wouldn't do it.

> And yet you whine about it again.

I'm not whining, I love it that you show that you go out of your way to
change my words. It clearly demonstrates how lacking in integrity you
really are. Thank you. Please continue to demonstrate what a true
scumbag you really are.

> So desperate for self promotion as previously stated.

! Yes, I enjoy making fun of myself in my sig, say that I the
Self-Anointed Moderator of
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea

And by cutting my self-deprecating joke, you show how silly you are
too!!

> If you were capable of supporting your point of view, you could do so
> without the need to shore up your position with personal attacks.

! What personal attack?

It was the truth that you deliberately presented a false statement as
being true. It is a FACT that it is possible to install the same cod on
both computers. Answering "No" was a total fallacy!

>
> Good bye Kurt

It is not Good Bye, but Fare thee well!

> Post back as your ego needs to have the last word and your lack of
> self control demands.

I will answere any post I want to answer, my ego does not play into it.
You are leaving this conversation as you know the more you reply the
more people will see that you are indeed a liar, and a fascist. You
need to runaway from this conversation to save what little self-respect
you have left, as you know you were caught in a lie, but you aren't man
enough to admit that you were wrong.

So run along little Juppy-liar! Until next time!


> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
> message news:OoIhDDlZFHA.1368@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
>>> No it is not a lie.
>>> You like to call those who disagree with you liars.
>>> Another of your feeble ways of self promotion.
>>> Another may follow.
>>>
>>> It is not possible to comply with the EULA and install on multiple
>>> computers.
>>
>> The question didn't ask about the EULA it was "Is it possible to
>> install the same
>> cd on both computers?"
>>
>> And the truthful answer is Yes, Bianca, it is possible.
>>
>> The lie would be saying that it is not possible.
>>
>> If you said Yes, it is possible, but against the EULA, that would be
>> the truth. But you had to say "No," and made a liar out of
>> yourself. And no amount of spinning will get you out of your
>> obvious lie.
>>> I made that clear in my post for all to see, but you somehow missed
>>> it.
>>
>> Clearly you lied, as it is very possible "to install the same cd on
>> both computers." That the EULA says you can't, does not change the
>> FACT that it is indeed physically possible to do!
>>
>> But let's see you spin your obvious lie some more!
>>
>>> Perhaps if you snipped after you read instead of before, you
>>> might not miss next time.
>>
>> I snipped nothing Juppy! OE-quotefix snipped your sig only.
>>
>> Yet another lie! I repeated you entire reply, except your sig.
>>
>>> If people want a dishonest answer, they can ask elsewhere.
>>
>> Actually, you answer was dishonest, as you know perfectly well that
>> it IS IN FACT "POSSIBLE TO INSTALL THE SAME CD ON BOTH COMPUTERS!"
>>
>>> If they want an honest answer, that is what she got.
>>
>> No is not the truthful answer to her question, as it is possible to
>> install the same CD on both computers! And it may even be
>> legitimate to do under the EULA if she uses a different Product Key,
>> but you didn't mention that possiblity, did you?! You just said a
>> big emphatic lie of a NO!
>>
>> So you are just a liar. You didn' answer the question that was
>> actually asked!
>>
>>> I assumed Bianca desired to comply with the EULA she already agreed.
>>
>> YOU ASSUMED! You assumed that Bianca didn't want the question she
>> actually asked answered truthfully, so you gave her the answer you
>> wanted to give that DID NOT TRUTHFULLY ANSWER THE QUESTION THAT WAS
>> ASKED!
>>>
>>> If you want to take the phrase "Is it possible..." to the limits,
>>> almost nothing is impossible.
>>
>> That was the question that was asked, JUPPY! "Is it possible to
>> install the same
>> cd on both computers?"
>>
>> And it isn't hard to do, either!
>>
>>> So an answer to "Is it possible..." is almost yes.
>>
>> ! It sure as hell isn't NO!
>>
>>> But integrity often dictates otherwise.
>>
>> Integrity would dictate that MS would acknowledge an individual's
>> right to "fair use," but intregrity doesn't stop MS from trying to
>> con people that they can shrink-wrap license it away!
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
>>> message news:%
>>>> She didn't ask about the EULA, she asked, " Is it possible to
>>>> install the same cd on both computers?"
>>>>
>>>> And the truthful answer to her actual question is YES, it is
>>>> possible. Saying NO is a lie, as you KNOW that it is "possible to
>>>> install the same cd on both computers!"
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Peace!
>>>> Kurt
>>>> Self-anointed Moderator
>>>> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
>>>> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"
>>
>> See, use a program to snip you signature. Your integrity is that
>> you can change the words that other people write on your own whim. So
>> mush for your integrity, Juppy!
>>
>> --
>> Peace!
>> Kurt
>> Self-anointed Moderator
>> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
>> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

See how much he has to go out of his way to change my sig! He is a
top-poster and after he is done composing his reply, he has to scroll
all the way down here to break out his X-ing finger! His Actions speak
for him, loud and clear!

--
Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.com/mscommunity
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

Stephen
07-10-2005, 12:54 AM
[unofficial] Inline.

kurttrail wrote:
>> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
>>> It is not a simple yes or no question although it was phrased that
>>> way.
>>
>> It is possible. The simple answer is a Yes, not the "NO" you gave.
>>


For most posters the plain answer is "no" [if you explain because to do so
is copyright infringement for which the law abiding business user makes it
impossible].

For a poster who is obviously tinkering, the technical answer is "yes"
because a copy doesn't not require activation for thirty days [but one
should explain that after thirty days both machines will try to activate.
One will successfully, other will not and throw up a phone number] and
regardless, to do so would probably be some sort of copyright infringement
for the business user and would be best avoided.

Note though: In the odd situation I can imagine someone [taking advantage of
the grace period that they do not need to activate for thirty days]
temporarily violating the EULA, if they have to, to use one computer to fix
another if they have every intent to scrape the copy off the other one
shortly. I'm sure Microsoft wouldn't begrudge anyone that as long as they
realize that what they end up with is the copy on only ONE computer. I think
I've even read the term "grace period" in Microsoft's documentation in this
regard. More inline below.


>> <clip>
>>
>>
>>> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
>>> message news:OoIhDDlZFHA.1368@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
>>>>> No it is not a lie.
>>>>> You like to call those who disagree with you liars.
>>>>> Another of your feeble ways of self promotion.
>>>>> Another may follow.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is not possible to comply with the EULA and install on multiple
>>>>> computers.
>>>>
>>>> The question didn't ask about the EULA it was "Is it possible to
>>>> install the same
>>>> cd on both computers?"
>>>>
>>>> And the truthful answer is Yes, Bianca, it is possible.


The technical answer is "yes". However, many of these posters are asking
with the intent "Is it OK to put it on more than one machine and I'm asking
because I do not want problems" and the truthful answer there is "no"
because if they do, they will be in violation of the EULA, the WPA will balk
and so on and so on. Telling them "yes" is not the right answer for most of
these people, and to say "yes" would be leading them down the garden path.
So when someone just ignorantly asks if it is possible, the answer should be
"no" because if you did you'd be in violation of the EULA and if you did,
WPA will balk in thirty days. The answer is honest and hints [to anybody
with a clue] at the technical possibility of putting the software on more
than one machine.


>>>> <clip>
>>>>
>>>> I snipped nothing Juppy! OE-quotefix snipped your sig only.


I like OE Quote-fix - great little program, eh?


>>>> Yet another lie! I repeated you entire reply, except your sig.


I think you guys are both being honest with each other, but you are coming
at the question from different angles.


>>>>><clip>
>>>> --
>>>> Peace!
>>>> Kurt
>>>> Self-anointed Moderator
>>>> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
>>>> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"
>>
>> See how much he has to go out of his way to change my sig! He is a
>> top-poster and after he is done composing his reply, he has to scroll
>> all the way down here to break out his X-ing finger! His Actions
>> speak for him, loud and clear!


Some people don't like posting obscenities, Kurt, and for good reason.

kurttrail
07-10-2005, 12:54 AM
Stephen wrote:
> [unofficial] Inline.
>
> kurttrail wrote:[color=green][color=darkred]
>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
>>>> It is not a simple yes or no question although it was phrased that
>>>> way.
>>>
>>> It is possible. The simple answer is a Yes, not the "NO" you gave.
>>>[/color]
>
>
> For most posters the plain answer is "no"[/color]

LOL! Have YOU actually tried to install the same CD on more than one
computer? I have and I was able to do it, it is entirely POSSIBLE!
Only a liar, or a fool would say otherwise!

> [if you explain because to
> do so is copyright infringement

Is is? Show us where an private non-commercial individual has been
faound to have infringed on a copyright for install the same CD on more
than one computer!

> for which the law abiding business
> user makes it impossible].

Who said the OP was a "business user?" She didn't mention any business
in her post now did she?

And while it may be an infringement to install software on two computers
for a commercial use, that in NO WAY affects the POSSIBILITY that you
can install using the same CD on both computers!

And for the third time in this thread I'll point out that you can do
this while meeting the term of the EULA, and even copyright law, if you
use the same CD but use different Product Keys! Is that not in the
Realm of Possibility?!!!!!!!!!

A flat out denial of ALL POSSIBILITY when one knows that there are
POSSIBILITIES, LIKE JUPPY, is a flat out LIE!!!

> For a poster who is obviously tinkering, the technical answer is "yes"
> because a copy doesn't not require activation for thirty days [but one
> should explain that after thirty days both machines will try to
> activate.

The activation wizard only prompts the user to activate, it doesn't try
to activate on its own.

And if it has been over 120 days since the previous installation, then
the second installation will activate smoothly over the internet, if
less, then all the is need is to activate by phone.

It is rather simple to do!

> One will successfully, other will not and throw up a phone
> number] and regardless, to do so would probably be some sort of
> copyright infringement for the business user and would be best
> avoided.

I agree that the business user shouldn't do it, but the OP didn't sound
like a business user to me.

>
> Note though: In the odd situation I can imagine someone [taking
> advantage of the grace period that they do not need to activate for
> thirty days] temporarily violating the EULA, if they have to, to use
> one computer to fix another if they have every intent to scrape the
> copy off the other one shortly. I'm sure Microsoft wouldn't begrudge
> anyone that as long as they realize that what they end up with is the
> copy on only ONE computer. I think I've even read the term "grace
> period" in Microsoft's documentation in this regard. More inline
> below.

In over the 13 years since MS added the One Computer term to Windows MS
has not sued one individual over its One Computer term. If they would
try now their lack of due diligence in legally enforcing this term in a
court of law after all this time can be use against them!

The longer and longer that MS waits to sue an individual, the less and
less likely they are to ever win if MS ever grows the balls to sue an
individual over it!

>
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>> <clip>
>>>
>>>
>>>> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
>>>> message news:OoIhDDlZFHA.1368@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
>>>>>> No it is not a lie.
>>>>>> You like to call those who disagree with you liars.
>>>>>> Another of your feeble ways of self promotion.
>>>>>> Another may follow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is not possible to comply with the EULA and install on
>>>>>> multiple computers.
>>>>>
>>>>> The question didn't ask about the EULA it was "Is it possible to
>>>>> install the same
>>>>> cd on both computers?"
>>>>>
>>>>> And the truthful answer is Yes, Bianca, it is possible.[/color]
>
>
> The technical answer is "yes".[/color]

The answer is "yes" in reality! It is entirely possible to use the same
cd on both computers!

> However, many of these posters are
> asking with the intent

We are NOT talking about MANY other posters. We are talking about
answering the question that was asked in this specific thread!

And the particular question that was asked was:

"Is it possible to install the same cd on both computers?"

And the correct, truthful and FACTUAL answer to that question in not
"No!" The factual answer is:

Yes, it is IN FACT possible to install the same cd on both computers.

> "Is it OK to put it on more than one machine
> and I'm asking because I do not want problems" and the truthful
> answer there is "no" because if they do, they will be in violation of
> the EULA, the WPA will balk and so on and so on.

LOL! That is a matter of opinion as asked. The other question is a
matter of FACT.

Your hypothetical question is off-topic to this thread, as it wasn't the
OP's question!

> Telling them "yes"
> is not the right answer for most of these people,

Why? It's not like the woman asked if she looked fat!

She ask a rather simple question, and the simple factual answer is YES.
NO is a total effin' lie!

> and to say "yes"
> would be leading them down the garden path.

Why?

> So when someone just
> ignorantly asks if it is possible, the answer should be "no" because
> if you did you'd be in violation of the EULA

See here is where you lose it. The answer is yes it is possible but you
may be in voilation of MS's EULA Claims.

> and if you did, WPA will
> balk in thirty days.

And if it has been over 120 days since the previous installation, then
the second installation will activate smoothly over the internet, if
less, then all the is need is to activate by phone.

It is rather simple to do!

> The answer is honest and hints [to anybody with
> a clue] at the technical possibility of putting the software on more
> than one machine.

It is dishonest, as it is in fact still possible! And if she uses the
same cd but different Product Keys she would still be in compliance with
MS's EULA claim!

NO is a LIE!

YES is a FACT!

It is a possibility no matter how you look at this particular question
that started this thread! Only lying scumsuckers can't see it!

>
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>>> <clip>
>>>>>
>>>>> I snipped nothing Juppy! OE-quotefix snipped your sig only.[/color]
>
>
> I like OE Quote-fix - great little program, eh?
>
>[color=darkred]
>>>>> Yet another lie! I repeated you entire reply, except your sig.[/color]
>
>
> I think you guys are both being honest with each other, but you are
> coming at the question from different angles.
>
>[color=darkred]
>>>>>> <clip>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Peace!
>>>>> Kurt
>>>>> Self-anointed Moderator
>>>>> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [url]http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx[/url]
>>>>> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
>>>>> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"
>>>
>>> See how much he has to go out of his way to change my sig! He is a
>>> top-poster and after he is done composing his reply, he has to
>>> scroll all the way down here to break out his X-ing finger! His
>>> Actions speak for him, loud and clear![/color]
>
>
> Some people don't like posting obscenities, Kurt, and for good reason.[/color]

Then snip the entire sig, don't change other people's words!

And there is nothing obscene in:

microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea

or in:

http://microscum.com/mscommunity

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=scum&db=*
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=pubic&db=*
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=sex&db=*
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=gonorrhea&db=*

Most of it is medical and biological terms. Hardly vulgar in the 20th
or the 21st centuries!

F*^K - http://snipurl.com/faeb
SH*T - http://snipurl.com/faec
C*NT - http://snipurl.com/faeg
C*CKS*CKER - http://snipurl.com/faeh

See how these words are identified as Vulgar Slang but none of the words
used in by sig could be considered a vulgarity at all!

If my signature was full of vulgarities, MS would pull all my posts from
their servers, and I know about having post being pulled:

http://microscum.com/censored/

So again, there is nothing wrong with snipping someone's entire sig. I
use OE quotefix to do it for me. What is wrong is changing the words
that somebody else has written. Plus, as a top-poster he has to go so
far out of his way to do it! And I find it is just childish and
hysterical!

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Stephen
07-10-2005, 12:54 AM
Kurt, I was talking generally.

If someone posts:

"Can I put one copy of Windows on two computers?"

Is the answer yes or no?

Technically it can be done.

But what if the user is working in an office where there's about to be a
software audit. What will telling her an unqualified 'yes' do to her job?
For such a person, the answer is a decided "NO!" Otherwise they could lose
their jobs! I don't know if you fathom how important that is. To tell them
yes would be leading them down the garden path and doing them a great
disservice.

When you say 'yes' I think you need to qualify just what you mean by that
yes. And I think you need to understand that to answer 'No' is perfectly OK,
especially if it is qualified vis a vis licencing.

According to the licence agreement, no you cannot, but it is physically
'technically' possible.

or

It is technically possible, yes, but doing so would put you in a violation
of the EULA.

It probably bothers you that the MVPs and MS people just say 'No' without
pointing out that it is technically possible and that there is a sort of
grace period of 30 days. They are telling the truth, nevertheless, because
as far as they are concerned, and according to their measure, the answer is
no. I do not think you are going to convince them otherwise, nor do you need
to. And in most cases their answer is probably sufficient. You, as a free
poster, can embellish their 'nos' with your technical knowledge, especially
if you detect that the poster isn't just being lame-brain. But it's waste of
your and everybody's time arguing the point because dollars to donoughts,
everybody here who reads and post regularly fully groks it [and because, of
course, the original posters don't post looking for a philosophical debate -
they just want the answer that works for them].

kurttrail
07-10-2005, 12:54 AM
Stephen wrote:
> Kurt, I was talking generally.

And I wasn't. I was talking about THIS particular question and thread.
And in this case the answer that Juppy gave was a LIE!

PERIOD!

>
> If someone posts:
>
> "Can I put one copy of Windows on two computers?"
>
> Is the answer yes or no?

Simple yes or no, then YES!

> Technically it can be done.
>
> But what if the user is working in an office where there's about to
> be a software audit. What will telling her an unqualified 'yes' do to
> her job? For such a person, the answer is a decided "NO!" Otherwise
> they could lose their jobs! I don't know if you fathom how important
> that is. To tell them yes would be leading them down the garden path
> and doing them a great disservice.

You keep bring up business crap. Most of these types of can I install
XP on more than one computer questions are about home use, not business
use. A business that is about to have a software audit should already
know what they can and can't do! They should be hiring a professional,
not asking their questions here!

>
> When you say 'yes' I think you need to qualify just what you mean by
> that yes. And I think you need to understand that to answer 'No' is
> perfectly OK, especially if it is qualified vis a vis licencing.

But the question asked here WAS NOT ABOUT LICENSING BUT ABOUT THE
POSSIBILITY!

What the F*^K don't you understand about that!

Had Juppy said Yes, it is possible, but the EULA says that you are not
allowed to do it. I wouldn't have said a friggin' word about it.

But he LIED! And answered NO! And not only is there a possiblity
TECHNICALLY, but there is a possibility as still keep to the letter of
the EULA! FOR THE FOUTH TIME IN THIS THREAD! There in no EULA
prohibition about using the same CD but using different Product Keys!
IS THERE?! AS A MATTER OF FACT, you can install the same CD with the
same product key, call up MS to activate, and if you tell them what you
did, they will sell you a product key over the phone!

That is yet another possibility! And that would be perfectly fine, even
for a small business to do!

So you see, under the realm of possibility, the answer is always YES it
is possible! It is NEVER a definitive NO!

But you see, you have to have an open mind to let yourself see all the
possibilities, and that is something that Juppy just doesn't possess!
;-)

> According to the licence agreement, no you cannot, but it is
> physically 'technically' possible.

Is the licence the CD of the Product Key?! It can't be both. So which
is it?

Again: IT IS POSSIBLE AND STILL COMPLY WITH THE LICENSE AGREEMENT!

How many f*^kin' times am I gonna have to repeat myself in this thread
before you acknowledge that FACT?!

>
> or
>
> It is technically possible, yes, but doing so would put you in a
> violation of the EULA.
>
> It probably bothers you that the MVPs and MS people just say 'No'
> without pointing out that it is technically possible and that there
> is a sort of grace period of 30 days.

No. I don't like lies. And it is a lie to answer NO to "Is it possible
to install the same
cd on both computers?"

Both in reality, and under the EULA! I have now shown 2 possibilities
of how one could use the same cd to install, and still comply with MS's
EULA claims!

But you have to have an open mind to see the possibilities!

> They are telling the truth,

Not to this particular question they are NOT!

> nevertheless, because as far as they are concerned, and according to
> their measure, the answer is no.

NO! Again it is possible to use the same CD to install on both computer
and still comply with MS's EULA claims!

Please remove your head from your ass and open your mind to the
possibilities!

> I do not think you are going to
> convince them otherwise, nor do you need to.

You can never convince the closed-minded and that isn't my intention. I
am demonstrating how you have to close you mind and lie to be able to
say that there is NO possibility of using the same CD on more than one
computer. As I have CLEARLY shown, it is possible to use the same CD
and still comply with MS's EULA claims!

> And in most cases their
> answer is probably sufficient.

Not to this question, as it was acked it is not! It is a denial of the
FACT of the possibilities!

> You, as a free poster, can embellish
> their 'nos' with your technical knowledge, especially if you detect
> that the poster isn't just being lame-brain. But it's waste of your
> and everybody's time arguing the point because dollars to donoughts,
> everybody here who reads and post regularly fully groks it [and
> because, of course, the original posters don't post looking for a
> philosophical debate - they just want the answer that works for
> them].

And I gave the OP a possibility that works, with my link! And I have
also given a possibility that works under MS's EULA claims! If you keep
ignoring the FACT that I have shown that it is possible, it is worth
replying to you to show those here with a truly open mind that yours is
as closed to the possibilities as Juppy's mind is closed!

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uggabugga
07-10-2005, 12:54 AM
The first time I called the Microsoft Interogation Department, they were
ready to deactivate the copy of XP I was using permanently. I worked in an
office with a bunch of HP-Compaq D220 PCs. The IT department in it's infinite
wisdom only kept one set of CDs for each different model of computer. So we
had one set for the D220s, one set for the EVO D310s, etc.

How long does it take for one set of CD to go over the limit? 2 PCs in one
day. Even though every PC has a different Certificate of Authenticity on it,
they were trying to tell me that I couldn't use the same HP Restore disk to
install. Oh, okay let me go down to the landfill and dig out all the restore
disks my company threw away.

I don't know what law is on all this but I think all this is ridiculous. If
you have a COA number, your version of XP should be legal regardless of
whether you used one CD on 5 same model PCs. And considering that the MS
Interogator gave me the new Activation Code after I demanded to talk with a
manager, I'd say that it's got more to do with the COA than the physical CD
itself.

I hear that Longhorn will require fingerprints, retinal scan and a pint of
blood to activate.
--
That's just like my opinion, Man........


"uggabugga" wrote:

> According to the license agreement, you can only install one copy of XP in
> one PC. After installing XP on a computer, the installation needs to be
> activated. Activating a second copy online sends up a flag where the user
> would need to call Microsoft. They will grill you to find out if you have
> installed the copy on more than one PC. If you tell them you did, God only
> knows what they can do to you.
> --
> That's just like my opinion, Man........
>
>
> "bianca c" wrote:
>
> > i just bougth XP to install on my computer, but i have two computers (both
> > previously ME) that I wanted to upgrade. Is it possible to install the same
> > cd on both computers?
> >
> > Thanks!

Stephen
07-10-2005, 12:54 AM
uggabugga wrote:
>> The first time I called the Microsoft Interogation Department, they
>> were ready to deactivate the copy of XP I was using permanently. I
>> worked in an office with a bunch of HP-Compaq D220 PCs. The IT
>> department in it's infinite wisdom only kept one set of CDs for each
>> different model of computer. So we had one set for the D220s, one
>> set for the EVO D310s, etc.
>>
>> How long does it take for one set of CD to go over the limit? 2 PCs
>> in one day. Even though every PC has a different Certificate of
>> Authenticity on it, they were trying to tell me that I couldn't use
>> the same HP Restore disk to install. Oh, okay let me go down to the
>> landfill and dig out all the restore disks my company threw away.
>>
>> I don't know what law is on all this but I think all this is
>> ridiculous. If you have a COA number, your version of XP should be
>> legal regardless of whether you used one CD on 5 same model PCs. And
>> considering that the MS Interogator gave me the new Activation Code
>> after I demanded to talk with a manager, I'd say that it's got more
>> to do with the COA than the physical CD itself.
>>
>> I hear that Longhorn will require fingerprints, retinal scan and a
>> pint of blood to activate.
>> --
>> That's just like my opinion, Man........
>>
>>
>> "uggabugga" wrote:
>>
>>> According to the license agreement, you can only install one copy
>>> of XP in one PC. After installing XP on a computer, the
>>> installation needs to be activated. Activating a second copy online
>>> sends up a flag where the user would need to call Microsoft. They
>>> will grill you to find out if you have installed the copy on more
>>> than one PC. If you tell them you did, God only knows what they can
>>> do to you. --
>>> That's just like my opinion, Man........
>>>
>>>
>>> "bianca c" wrote:
>>>
>>>> i just bougth XP to install on my computer, but i have two
>>>> computers (both previously ME) that I wanted to upgrade. Is it
>>>> possible to install the same cd on both computers?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!

Your company probably needs the corporate version - you know, the one that
doesn't require activation.

I haven't heard anything about product activation in Longhorn.

Linda Peterson
07-10-2005, 12:54 AM
This is one of the goofiest threads I've ever read. I am sure at this point
the OP is sorry he/she asked.
A debate of this type would best be continued elsewhere to spare us the
sarcasm, rudeness, and general disregard to the original spirit of the
question.




"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in message
news:uOapgfrZFHA.1424@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> Stephen wrote:
> > Kurt, I was talking generally.
>
> And I wasn't. I was talking about THIS particular question and thread.
> And in this case the answer that Juppy gave was a LIE!
>
> PERIOD!
>
> >
> > If someone posts:
> >
> > "Can I put one copy of Windows on two computers?"
> >
> > Is the answer yes or no?
>
> Simple yes or no, then YES!
>
> > Technically it can be done.
> >
> > But what if the user is working in an office where there's about to
> > be a software audit. What will telling her an unqualified 'yes' do to
> > her job? For such a person, the answer is a decided "NO!" Otherwise
> > they could lose their jobs! I don't know if you fathom how important
> > that is. To tell them yes would be leading them down the garden path
> > and doing them a great disservice.
>
> You keep bring up business crap. Most of these types of can I install
> XP on more than one computer questions are about home use, not business
> use. A business that is about to have a software audit should already
> know what they can and can't do! They should be hiring a professional,
> not asking their questions here!
>
> >
> > When you say 'yes' I think you need to qualify just what you mean by
> > that yes. And I think you need to understand that to answer 'No' is
> > perfectly OK, especially if it is qualified vis a vis licencing.
>
> But the question asked here WAS NOT ABOUT LICENSING BUT ABOUT THE
> POSSIBILITY!
>
> What the F*^K don't you understand about that!
>
> Had Juppy said Yes, it is possible, but the EULA says that you are not
> allowed to do it. I wouldn't have said a friggin' word about it.
>
> But he LIED! And answered NO! And not only is there a possiblity
> TECHNICALLY, but there is a possibility as still keep to the letter of
> the EULA! FOR THE FOUTH TIME IN THIS THREAD! There in no EULA
> prohibition about using the same CD but using different Product Keys!
> IS THERE?! AS A MATTER OF FACT, you can install the same CD with the
> same product key, call up MS to activate, and if you tell them what you
> did, they will sell you a product key over the phone!
>
> That is yet another possibility! And that would be perfectly fine, even
> for a small business to do!
>
> So you see, under the realm of possibility, the answer is always YES it
> is possible! It is NEVER a definitive NO!
>
> But you see, you have to have an open mind to let yourself see all the
> possibilities, and that is something that Juppy just doesn't possess!
> ;-)
>
> > According to the licence agreement, no you cannot, but it is
> > physically 'technically' possible.
>
> Is the licence the CD of the Product Key?! It can't be both. So which
> is it?
>
> Again: IT IS POSSIBLE AND STILL COMPLY WITH THE LICENSE AGREEMENT!
>
> How many f*^kin' times am I gonna have to repeat myself in this thread
> before you acknowledge that FACT?!
>
> >
> > or
> >
> > It is technically possible, yes, but doing so would put you in a
> > violation of the EULA.
> >
> > It probably bothers you that the MVPs and MS people just say 'No'
> > without pointing out that it is technically possible and that there
> > is a sort of grace period of 30 days.
>
> No. I don't like lies. And it is a lie to answer NO to "Is it possible
> to install the same
> cd on both computers?"
>
> Both in reality, and under the EULA! I have now shown 2 possibilities
> of how one could use the same cd to install, and still comply with MS's
> EULA claims!
>
> But you have to have an open mind to see the possibilities!
>
> > They are telling the truth,
>
> Not to this particular question they are NOT!
>
> > nevertheless, because as far as they are concerned, and according to
> > their measure, the answer is no.
>
> NO! Again it is possible to use the same CD to install on both computer
> and still comply with MS's EULA claims!
>
> Please remove your head from your ass and open your mind to the
> possibilities!
>
> > I do not think you are going to
> > convince them otherwise, nor do you need to.
>
> You can never convince the closed-minded and that isn't my intention. I
> am demonstrating how you have to close you mind and lie to be able to
> say that there is NO possibility of using the same CD on more than one
> computer. As I have CLEARLY shown, it is possible to use the same CD
> and still comply with MS's EULA claims!
>
> > And in most cases their
> > answer is probably sufficient.
>
> Not to this question, as it was acked it is not! It is a denial of the
> FACT of the possibilities!
>
> > You, as a free poster, can embellish
> > their 'nos' with your technical knowledge, especially if you detect
> > that the poster isn't just being lame-brain. But it's waste of your
> > and everybody's time arguing the point because dollars to donoughts,
> > everybody here who reads and post regularly fully groks it [and
> > because, of course, the original posters don't post looking for a
> > philosophical debate - they just want the answer that works for
> > them].
>
> And I gave the OP a possibility that works, with my link! And I have
> also given a possibility that works under MS's EULA claims! If you keep
> ignoring the FACT that I have shown that it is possible, it is worth
> replying to you to show those here with a truly open mind that yours is
> as closed to the possibilities as Juppy's mind is closed!
>
> --
> Peace!
> Kurt
> Self-anointed Moderator
> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
> http://microscum.com/mscommunity
> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"
>
>

Bob I
07-10-2005, 12:55 AM
Unfortunately it ALWAYS goes on like this, for some reason they ALWAYS
drag out the soapbox, and go ON and ON and ON. But since it's not a
moderated group, they're allowed to continue posting.


Linda Peterson wrote:

> This is one of the goofiest threads I've ever read. I am sure at this point
> the OP is sorry he/she asked.
> A debate of this type would best be continued elsewhere to spare us the
> sarcasm, rudeness, and general disregard to the original spirit of the
> question.
>

Stephen
07-10-2005, 12:55 AM
Bob I wrote:
>> Unfortunately it ALWAYS goes on like this, for some reason they
>> ALWAYS drag out the soapbox, and go ON and ON and ON. But since it's
>> not a moderated group, they're allowed to continue posting.
>>
>>
>> Linda Peterson wrote:
>>
>>> This is one of the goofiest threads I've ever read. I am sure at
>>> this point the OP is sorry he/she asked.
>>> A debate of this type would best be continued elsewhere to spare us
>>> the sarcasm, rudeness, and general disregard to the original spirit
>>> of the question.

And no one is required to read the whole of this type of thread are they?

FUD
07-10-2005, 12:55 AM
Linda Peterson wrote:
> This is one of the goofiest threads I've ever read. I am sure at
> this point the OP is sorry he/she asked.

The OP was most likely a Troll as I already mentioned earlier.

> A debate of this type would best be continued elsewhere to spare us
> the sarcasm, rudeness, and general disregard

LOL! I'll debate whatever and where ever I feel like!

Juppy's reply of "No" to the actual question that was asked is not the
truth!

It is entirely possible to install the same cd can be installed on the
same computers.

And it is even possible to do it in accordance with the EULA!

So if you want to keep your head up your ass, and hide from the TRUTH,
that is your right! But don't be telling me what I should do and where
I should do it, cunnis!

> to the original spirit of the question.

The spirit of the question! Who the hell are you, Shirley MacLaine?
Are you gonna channel the OP for us and tell us they she meant something
other than what was written?!

"Is it possible to install the same cd on both computers?"

Yes, it is possible! It is possible both outside of the EULA and within
the EULA, as I have already shown previously in this thread! And if you
can't see the factualness of that, you are purposely shutting your mind
away from reality!

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FUD
07-10-2005, 12:55 AM
Bob I wrote:
> Unfortunately it ALWAYS goes on like this, for some reason they ALWAYS
> drag out the soapbox, and go ON and ON and ON. But since it's not a
> moderated group, they're allowed to continue posting.


LOL! And you and Linda are both posting off-topic replies, and if this
were a moderated group, your posts would be pulled long before mine, as
I stayed on the topic of the OPs question! :-p

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kurttrail
07-10-2005, 12:55 AM
Stephen wrote:
> Bob I wrote:
>>> Unfortunately it ALWAYS goes on like this, for some reason they
>>> ALWAYS drag out the soapbox, and go ON and ON and ON. But since it's
>>> not a moderated group, they're allowed to continue posting.
>>>
>>>
>>> Linda Peterson wrote:
>>>
>>>> This is one of the goofiest threads I've ever read. I am sure at
>>>> this point the OP is sorry he/she asked.
>>>> A debate of this type would best be continued elsewhere to spare us
>>>> the sarcasm, rudeness, and general disregard to the original spirit
>>>> of the question.
>
> And no one is required to read the whole of this type of thread are
> they?

Nope! Some people like to bitch about things only they can control!
And what they read or don't read is totally up to them!

--
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Rock
07-10-2005, 12:55 AM
Stephen wrote:

> bianca c wrote:
>
>>>i just bougth XP to install on my computer, but i have two computers
>>>(both previously ME) that I wanted to upgrade. Is it possible to
>>>install the same cd on both computers?
>>>
>>>Thanks!
>
>
> Whoops I want to add:
>
> There is an arragnement Microsoft offers where you just buy an additional
> licence at a slightly discounted price rather than having to go buy a whole
> new box with CD-ROM:
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/addlic.mspx
>
>

The cost savings for an additional license is minimal. One can get a
complete version cheaper at most discount stores.

--
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MS MVP Windows - Shell/User

Shane
07-10-2005, 12:55 AM
"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
news:uLEldllZFHA.2076@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> It is not a simple yes or no question although it was phrased that way.

ROFL!


You're a f****** i*******, mate!


Shane

Kinell
07-10-2005, 12:55 AM
"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
news:#shO7vqZFHA.3808@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl:

> ... you can do
> this while meeting the term of the EULA, and even copyright law,
> if you use the same CD but use different Product Keys! Is that
> not in the Realm of Possibility?

It certainly is. I do this regularly, where a customer has a screwed
up XP installation but has no XP media or has XP media that isn't at
SP2, I use my own copy of an XP SP2 OEM CD to run a recovery install
and use the Product Key for the target customer system.

Bruce Chambers
07-10-2005, 12:55 AM
bianca c wrote:
> i just bougth XP to install on my computer, but i have two computers (both
> previously ME) that I wanted to upgrade. Is it possible to install the same
> cd on both computers?
>
> Thanks!


You'll need to purchase a separate WinXP license for each computer
on which you install it.

Just as it has *always* been with *all* Microsoft operating
systems, it's necessary (to be in compliance with both the EULA and U.S.
copyright law http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/117.html), if not
technically) to purchase one WinXP license for each computer on which it
is installed. (Consult an attorney versed in copyright law to determine
final applicability in your locale.) The only way in which WinXP
licensing differs from that of earlier versions of Windows is that
Microsoft has finally added a copy protection and anti-theft mechanism,
Product Activation, to prevent (or at least make more difficult)
multiple installations using a single license.

One can buy additional licenses, assuming one already has a retail
license. Naturally, Microsoft cannot sell additional OEM licenses. Be
aware, however, that you'll probably pay more this way than you would if
you were to buy a second copy of WinXP from a discount retailer;
Microsoft will only offer you a 15% discount off their MSRP.

Additional Licenses for Windows XP Home Edition
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/addlic.asp

Additional Licenses for Windows XP Professional
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/howtobuy/addlic.asp


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kurttrail
07-10-2005, 12:55 AM
Bruce Chambers wrote:
> bianca c wrote:
>> i just bougth XP to install on my computer, but i have two computers
>> (both previously ME) that I wanted to upgrade. Is it possible to
>> install the same cd on both computers?
>>
>> Thanks!
>
>
> You'll need to purchase a separate WinXP license for each computer
> on which you install it.
>
> Just as it has *always* been with *all* Microsoft operating
> systems, it's necessary (to be in compliance with both the EULA and
> U.S. copyright law http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/117.html),
> if not technically) to purchase one WinXP license for each computer
> on which it is installed. (Consult an attorney versed in copyright
> law to determine final applicability in your locale.) <snip>

Yeah, definitely consult someone that actually understands copyright
law, as Section 117 is a Limitation on the rights of the Copyright
owner, not you as a owner of a copy of software!

"Limitations on exclusive rights: Computer programs" -
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/117.html

When copyright law talks about exclusive rights, it is talking about the
rights of the Copyright Owner. Bruce is too ignorant of copyright law
to understand that!

--
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"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"


more than one computer on xp?