Unexplained problem with Windows Messenger.



Jones
07-09-2005, 11:51 PM
Hello

I have uninstalled windows messenger properly, but yet it still is showing
up every time I run certain programs.

does anybody know what is the problem. Is this a bug? I have posted this in
a thread before but nobody seems to know clearly.

I am sure as a normal user I should not be expected to fiddle around with
registry values.

Is this a bug does someone know?

Brian C
07-09-2005, 11:51 PM
Uninstall MSN Messenger, too.


"Jones" <jones@noreply.com> wrote in message
news:d7f3bs$3b1$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
> Hello
>
> I have uninstalled windows messenger properly, but yet it still is showing
> up every time I run certain programs.
>
> does anybody know what is the problem. Is this a bug? I have posted this
> in
> a thread before but nobody seems to know clearly.
>
> I am sure as a normal user I should not be expected to fiddle around with
> registry values.
>
> Is this a bug does someone know?
>
>

Ramesh, MS-MVP
07-09-2005, 11:51 PM
You've probably 'hidden' Windows Messenger, rather than uninstalling it.

Prevent Windows Messenger from Running on a Windows XP-Based Computer
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=302089

Disable/Remove Windows Messenger:
http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_mess_disable.htm

--
Ramesh, Microsoft MVP
Windows XP Shell/User
http://windowsxp.mvps.org


"Jones" <jones@noreply.com> wrote in message
news:d7f3bs$3b1$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
> Hello
>
> I have uninstalled windows messenger properly, but yet it still is showing
> up every time I run certain programs.
>
> does anybody know what is the problem. Is this a bug? I have posted this
> in a thread before but nobody seems to know clearly.
>
> I am sure as a normal user I should not be expected to fiddle around with
> registry values.
>
> Is this a bug does someone know?
>

Jones
07-09-2005, 11:51 PM
"Ramesh, MS-MVP" <ramesh@online.mvps.org> wrote in message
news:e17uPbSZFHA.1412@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> You've probably 'hidden' Windows Messenger, rather than uninstalling it.
>
> Prevent Windows Messenger from Running on a Windows XP-Based Computer
> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=302089
>
> Disable/Remove Windows Messenger:
> http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_mess_disable.htm
>
> --
> Ramesh, Microsoft MVP
> Windows XP Shell/User
> http://windowsxp.mvps.org

Dear Doug,
Many thanks for your thoughts. But can you tell me "why it is still their"
when I have uninstalled it correctly from the proper place? Why do I need to
download some third party program to do what windows should do?

is their some programming bug or error in windows xp? Is it normal that it
should still be on my system after I uninstalled it? I am perplexed. If this
is normal behavior then it must be a well known bug, because according to
the uninstaller it shoudl be now uninstalled.


>
>
> "Jones" <jones@noreply.com> wrote in message
> news:d7f3bs$3b1$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
>> Hello
>>
>> I have uninstalled windows messenger properly, but yet it still is
>> showing up every time I run certain programs.
>>
>> does anybody know what is the problem. Is this a bug? I have posted this
>> in a thread before but nobody seems to know clearly.
>>
>> I am sure as a normal user I should not be expected to fiddle around with
>> registry values.
>>
>> Is this a bug does someone know?
>>
>

Jones
07-09-2005, 11:51 PM
Yah thats uninstalled as well. Or actually it never was installed, its MSN
explorer they call it.
"Brian C" <bconner@mail.brianssite.net> wrote in message
news:ORHP7sRZFHA.2288@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Uninstall MSN Messenger, too.
>
>
> "Jones" <jones@noreply.com> wrote in message
> news:d7f3bs$3b1$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
>> Hello
>>
>> I have uninstalled windows messenger properly, but yet it still is
>> showing
>> up every time I run certain programs.
>>
>> does anybody know what is the problem. Is this a bug? I have posted this
>> in
>> a thread before but nobody seems to know clearly.
>>
>> I am sure as a normal user I should not be expected to fiddle around with
>> registry values.
>>
>> Is this a bug does someone know?
>>
>>
>
>

Ramesh, MS-MVP
07-09-2005, 11:51 PM
Jones,

I'm not Doug.

The links I posted apply to Windows Messenger (and not MSN Messenger). And,
I'm unsure what method did you follow the uninstall W.Messenger?

--
Ramesh, Microsoft MVP
Windows XP Shell/User
http://windowsxp.mvps.org


"Jones" <jones@noreply.com> wrote in message
news:d7fc43$rg4$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> "Ramesh, MS-MVP" <ramesh@online.mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:e17uPbSZFHA.1412@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> You've probably 'hidden' Windows Messenger, rather than uninstalling it.
>>
>> Prevent Windows Messenger from Running on a Windows XP-Based Computer
>> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=302089
>>
>> Disable/Remove Windows Messenger:
>> http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_mess_disable.htm
>>
>> --
>> Ramesh, Microsoft MVP
>> Windows XP Shell/User
>> http://windowsxp.mvps.org
>
> Dear Doug,
> Many thanks for your thoughts. But can you tell me "why it is still their"
> when I have uninstalled it correctly from the proper place? Why do I need
> to download some third party program to do what windows should do?
>
> is their some programming bug or error in windows xp? Is it normal that it
> should still be on my system after I uninstalled it? I am perplexed. If
> this is normal behavior then it must be a well known bug, because
> according to the uninstaller it shoudl be now uninstalled.
>
>
>>
>>
>> "Jones" <jones@noreply.com> wrote in message
>> news:d7f3bs$3b1$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
>>> Hello
>>>
>>> I have uninstalled windows messenger properly, but yet it still is
>>> showing up every time I run certain programs.
>>>
>>> does anybody know what is the problem. Is this a bug? I have posted this
>>> in a thread before but nobody seems to know clearly.
>>>
>>> I am sure as a normal user I should not be expected to fiddle around
>>> with registry values.
>>>
>>> Is this a bug does someone know?
>>>
>>
>
>

Star Fleet Admiral Q
07-09-2005, 11:52 PM
Last I checked, the Add/Remove Windows Messenger in the control panel applet
just removes the "SHORTCUT" to start Windows Messenger from the Start Menu,
not the application Windows Messenger.
So in essence, all the files are still there. It will still start once the
short cut has been removed, if IE, Outlook or Outlook express (any of the
three) are still setup to automatically start Windows Messenger.
To completely remove WM as you wish, you need to use Doug's utility,
otherwise, you'll just have to live with it. That's the way it was
designed.

--

Star Fleet Admiral Q @ your Service!

http://www.google.com
Google is your "Friend"

"Jones" <jones@noreply.com> wrote in message
news:d7fc43$rg4$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> "Ramesh, MS-MVP" <ramesh@online.mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:e17uPbSZFHA.1412@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> You've probably 'hidden' Windows Messenger, rather than uninstalling it.
>>
>> Prevent Windows Messenger from Running on a Windows XP-Based Computer
>> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=302089
>>
>> Disable/Remove Windows Messenger:
>> http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_mess_disable.htm
>>
>> --
>> Ramesh, Microsoft MVP
>> Windows XP Shell/User
>> http://windowsxp.mvps.org
>
> Dear Doug,
> Many thanks for your thoughts. But can you tell me "why it is still their"
> when I have uninstalled it correctly from the proper place? Why do I need
> to download some third party program to do what windows should do?
>
> is their some programming bug or error in windows xp? Is it normal that it
> should still be on my system after I uninstalled it? I am perplexed. If
> this is normal behavior then it must be a well known bug, because
> according to the uninstaller it shoudl be now uninstalled.
>
>
>>
>>
>> "Jones" <jones@noreply.com> wrote in message
>> news:d7f3bs$3b1$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
>>> Hello
>>>
>>> I have uninstalled windows messenger properly, but yet it still is
>>> showing up every time I run certain programs.
>>>
>>> does anybody know what is the problem. Is this a bug? I have posted this
>>> in a thread before but nobody seems to know clearly.
>>>
>>> I am sure as a normal user I should not be expected to fiddle around
>>> with registry values.
>>>
>>> Is this a bug does someone know?
>>>
>>
>
>

Ramesh, MS-MVP
07-09-2005, 11:52 PM
More Info:

In Add/Remove Windows Components, select the item which does not show as 0
KB.

The Windows Messenger entry with a green icon "hides" access to Windows
Messenger
The Windows Messenger entry with a grey icon removes Windows Messenger

To know more, you may read the lines in these two INF files

msmsgs.inf (Contains the routines to uninstall / reinstall Messenger)
WMAccess.inf (Contains the routines to hide / show Messenger)
------------------------------­-------------------
msmsgs=msgrocm.dll,OcEntry,msm­sgs.inf,hide,7
WMAccess=ocgen.dll,OcEntry,wma­ccess.inf,,7
------------------------------­-------------------

To uninstall Windows Messenger via command-line, use this:

RunDll32 advpack.dll,LaunchINFSection %windir%\inf\msmsgs.inf,BLC.Remove

Quoted from Doug's site:

Note: This will cause a long delay when opening Outlook Express if you have
the Contacts pane enabled. To prevent this, click Start, Run and enter
REGEDIT Go to:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Outlook Express

Right click in the right pane and select New, Dword value. Give it the name
Hide Messenger Double click this new entry and set the value to 2.

--
Ramesh, Microsoft MVP
Windows XP Shell/User
http://windowsxp.mvps.org


"Star Fleet Admiral Q" <Star_Fleet_Admiral_Q(NO-SPAM)@(SPAM-NOT)hotmail.com>
wrote in message news:%23auXHwXZFHA.1368@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Last I checked, the Add/Remove Windows Messenger in the control panel
> applet just removes the "SHORTCUT" to start Windows Messenger from the
> Start Menu, not the application Windows Messenger.
> So in essence, all the files are still there. It will still start once
> the short cut has been removed, if IE, Outlook or Outlook express (any of
> the three) are still setup to automatically start Windows Messenger.
> To completely remove WM as you wish, you need to use Doug's utility,
> otherwise, you'll just have to live with it. That's the way it was
> designed.
>
> --
>
> Star Fleet Admiral Q @ your Service!
>
> http://www.google.com
> Google is your "Friend"
>
> "Jones" <jones@noreply.com> wrote in message
> news:d7fc43$rg4$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
>>
>> "Ramesh, MS-MVP" <ramesh@online.mvps.org> wrote in message
>> news:e17uPbSZFHA.1412@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>> You've probably 'hidden' Windows Messenger, rather than uninstalling it.
>>>
>>> Prevent Windows Messenger from Running on a Windows XP-Based Computer
>>> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=302089
>>>
>>> Disable/Remove Windows Messenger:
>>> http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_mess_disable.htm
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ramesh, Microsoft MVP
>>> Windows XP Shell/User
>>> http://windowsxp.mvps.org
>>
>> Dear Doug,
>> Many thanks for your thoughts. But can you tell me "why it is still
>> their" when I have uninstalled it correctly from the proper place? Why do
>> I need to download some third party program to do what windows should do?
>>
>> is their some programming bug or error in windows xp? Is it normal that
>> it should still be on my system after I uninstalled it? I am perplexed.
>> If this is normal behavior then it must be a well known bug, because
>> according to the uninstaller it shoudl be now uninstalled.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Jones" <jones@noreply.com> wrote in message
>>> news:d7f3bs$3b1$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
>>>> Hello
>>>>
>>>> I have uninstalled windows messenger properly, but yet it still is
>>>> showing up every time I run certain programs.
>>>>
>>>> does anybody know what is the problem. Is this a bug? I have posted
>>>> this in a thread before but nobody seems to know clearly.
>>>>
>>>> I am sure as a normal user I should not be expected to fiddle around
>>>> with registry values.
>>>>
>>>> Is this a bug does someone know?
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>


Unexplained problem with Windows Messenger.