Why have I been hearing negative reports about SP2?



Jones
07-09-2005, 11:50 PM
Hi,
I have SP2 installed, but why is it that some people seem togive the
impression that you are better off without it?

Is their any rumour in this truth?

Carey Frisch [MVP]
07-09-2005, 11:50 PM
Because they are either naive or have a spyware-infested PC
that makes installing SP2 a little troublesome.
Over 180 million XP users have already installed SP2.

Windows XP Service Pack 2 Checklist
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spackins.htm

[Courtesy of MS-MVP Jupiter Jones]

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User
Microsoft Newsgroups

Get Windows XP Service Pack 2 with Advanced Security Technologies:
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/windowsxp/choose.mspx

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Jones" wrote:

| Hi,
| I have SP2 installed, but why is it that some people seem togive the
| impression that you are better off without it?
|
| Is their any rumour in this truth?

Stephen
07-09-2005, 11:50 PM
Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
>> Because they are either naive or have a spyware-infested PC
>> that makes installing SP2 a little troublesome.
>> Over 180 million XP users have already installed SP2.
>>
>> Windows XP Service Pack 2 Checklist
>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spackins.htm
>>
>> [Courtesy of MS-MVP Jupiter Jones]
>>
>> --
>> Carey Frisch
>> Microsoft MVP
>> Windows XP - Shell/User
>> Microsoft Newsgroups
>>
>> Get Windows XP Service Pack 2 with Advanced Security Technologies:
>> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/windowsxp/choose.mspx
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> "Jones" wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I have SP2 installed, but why is it that some people seem togive the
>>> impression that you are better off without it?
>>>
>>> Is their any rumour in this truth?

I would like to suggest that one remove the spyware/malware *before*
installing SP2.

Jones
07-09-2005, 11:50 PM
"Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
news:OKwhRnJZFHA.1088@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Because they are either naive or have a spyware-infested PC
> that makes installing SP2 a little troublesome.
> Over 180 million XP users have already installed SP2.
>
> Windows XP Service Pack 2 Checklist
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spackins.htm
>
> [Courtesy of MS-MVP Jupiter Jones]


180 MILLION? thats alot of pc users world wide. Ok ok that puts my mind at
rest. I have gotten paranoid, now I have been making a concerted effort to
have One nice installation of Windows XP and I want to keep it working
without having to spend hours every week tinkering or adjusting. So I like
to take preventative measures rather than fix it measures :)
>
> --
> Carey Frisch
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows XP - Shell/User
> Microsoft Newsgroups
>
> Get Windows XP Service Pack 2 with Advanced Security Technologies:
> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/windowsxp/choose.mspx
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> "Jones" wrote:
>
> | Hi,
> | I have SP2 installed, but why is it that some people seem togive the
> | impression that you are better off without it?
> |
> | Is their any rumour in this truth?
>

Jones
07-09-2005, 11:50 PM
"Stephen" <stephen@online.nospam> wrote in message
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> Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
>>> Because they are either naive or have a spyware-infested PC
>>> that makes installing SP2 a little troublesome.
>>> Over 180 million XP users have already installed SP2.
>>>
>>> Windows XP Service Pack 2 Checklist
>>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spackins.htm
>>>
>>> [Courtesy of MS-MVP Jupiter Jones]
>>>
>>> --
>>> Carey Frisch
>>> Microsoft MVP
>>> Windows XP - Shell/User
>>> Microsoft Newsgroups
>>>
>>> Get Windows XP Service Pack 2 with Advanced Security Technologies:
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/windowsxp/choose.mspx
>>>
>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> "Jones" wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> I have SP2 installed, but why is it that some people seem togive the
>>>> impression that you are better off without it?
>>>>
>>>> Is their any rumour in this truth?
>
> I would like to suggest that one remove the spyware/malware *before*
> installing SP2.


Point taken. Thanks

Kevin
07-09-2005, 11:50 PM
Jones,

Yes, as Carey Frisch mentions, SP 2 has been installed on umpteen zillion
systems. And yes, for the majority of users, it has installed and run just
dandy. However, there are known issues with Service Pack 2 and these have
been covered very well in such publications as PC World, PC Magazine,
Windows Magazine and Computer Shopper Magazine. SP 2 is a major operating
system upgrade. As such it makes wholesale changes to the code that is
Windows XP. This can, and does, cause some problems.

I won't be installing SP 2 until I am forced to do so. My system is running
just fine without it. I have third party applications that are much better
than the Microsoft applications in SP 2 for securing my system. The
installation of Service Pack 2 is a personal choice. It is not required at
this time.

"Stephen" <stephen@online.nospam> wrote in message
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> Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
> >> Because they are either naive or have a spyware-infested PC
> >> that makes installing SP2 a little troublesome.
> >> Over 180 million XP users have already installed SP2.
> >>
> >> Windows XP Service Pack 2 Checklist
> >> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spackins.htm
> >>
> >> [Courtesy of MS-MVP Jupiter Jones]
> >>
> >> --
> >> Carey Frisch
> >> Microsoft MVP
> >> Windows XP - Shell/User
> >> Microsoft Newsgroups
> >>
> >> Get Windows XP Service Pack 2 with Advanced Security Technologies:
> >> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/windowsxp/choose.mspx
> >>
>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------
> >>
> >> "Jones" wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi,
> >>> I have SP2 installed, but why is it that some people seem togive the
> >>> impression that you are better off without it?
> >>>
> >>> Is their any rumour in this truth?
>
> I would like to suggest that one remove the spyware/malware *before*
> installing SP2.
>
>

Jones
07-09-2005, 11:50 PM
"Kevin" <webman6@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Om%23wq8JZFHA.3488@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Jones,
>
> Yes, as Carey Frisch mentions, SP 2 has been installed on umpteen zillion
> systems. And yes, for the majority of users, it has installed and run
> just
> dandy. However, there are known issues with Service Pack 2 and these have
> been covered very well in such publications as PC World, PC Magazine,
> Windows Magazine and Computer Shopper Magazine. SP 2 is a major operating
> system upgrade. As such it makes wholesale changes to the code that is
> Windows XP. This can, and does, cause some problems.
>
> I won't be installing SP 2 until I am forced to do so. My system is
> running
> just fine without it. I have third party applications that are much
> better
> than the Microsoft applications in SP 2 for securing my system. The
> installation of Service Pack 2 is a personal choice. It is not required
> at
> this time.


Well I have this kind of "sentiment" expressed before. I have read exactly
what it does, and I don't see that it is that much of a big deal in terms of
what it allows you to do and what it doesn't. However my CD comes with it
installed so I can't uninstall it.


>
> "Stephen" <stephen@online.nospam> wrote in message
> news:OvbjduJZFHA.3184@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>> Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
>> >> Because they are either naive or have a spyware-infested PC
>> >> that makes installing SP2 a little troublesome.
>> >> Over 180 million XP users have already installed SP2.
>> >>
>> >> Windows XP Service Pack 2 Checklist
>> >> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spackins.htm
>> >>
>> >> [Courtesy of MS-MVP Jupiter Jones]
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Carey Frisch
>> >> Microsoft MVP
>> >> Windows XP - Shell/User
>> >> Microsoft Newsgroups
>> >>
>> >> Get Windows XP Service Pack 2 with Advanced Security Technologies:
>> >> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/windowsxp/choose.mspx
>> >>
>>
>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------------
>> >>
>> >> "Jones" wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Hi,
>> >>> I have SP2 installed, but why is it that some people seem togive the
>> >>> impression that you are better off without it?
>> >>>
>> >>> Is their any rumour in this truth?
>>
>> I would like to suggest that one remove the spyware/malware *before*
>> installing SP2.
>>
>>
>
>

GHalleck
07-09-2005, 11:50 PM
Jones wrote:

> "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:OKwhRnJZFHA.1088@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>
>>Because they are either naive or have a spyware-infested PC
>>that makes installing SP2 a little troublesome.
>>Over 180 million XP users have already installed SP2.
>>
>>Windows XP Service Pack 2 Checklist
>>http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spackins.htm
>>
>>[Courtesy of MS-MVP Jupiter Jones]
>
>
>
> 180 MILLION? thats alot of pc users world wide. Ok ok that puts my mind at
> rest. I have gotten paranoid, now I have been making a concerted effort to
> have One nice installation of Windows XP and I want to keep it working
> without having to spend hours every week tinkering or adjusting. So I like
> to take preventative measures rather than fix it measures :)
>

There are statistics...and then there are d*mn statistics. The
reality is that Microsoft does not know exactly how many systems
are running Windows XP-SP2 unless it has a way of checking up on
each computer that exists. IOW, the number is meaningless unless
Microsoft is willing to admit to being able to spy on individual
systems and their contents.

Richard Urban
07-09-2005, 11:50 PM
You don't think that Microsoft knows how many times it has been downloaded
from "their" servers, or haw many time it has been sent out through "their"
Window Update service? You don't think that Microsoft KNOWS how many SP2
CD's they have "mailed" out to their customers?

The reality is that you don't know what YOU are talking about. It is likely
that the estimate that Microsoft gives out is on the LOW side. I personally
have used 1 (one) SP2 CD to install SP2 on a couple of hundred computers.
How many others have done the same thing?



--
Regards,

Richard Urban

aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)

If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!


"GHalleck" <ghalleck@arrakian.mining.com> wrote in message
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>
> Jones wrote:
>
>> "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:OKwhRnJZFHA.1088@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>
>>>Because they are either naive or have a spyware-infested PC
>>>that makes installing SP2 a little troublesome.
>>>Over 180 million XP users have already installed SP2.
>>>
>>>Windows XP Service Pack 2 Checklist
>>>http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spackins.htm
>>>
>>>[Courtesy of MS-MVP Jupiter Jones]
>>
>>
>>
>> 180 MILLION? thats alot of pc users world wide. Ok ok that puts my mind
>> at rest. I have gotten paranoid, now I have been making a concerted
>> effort to have One nice installation of Windows XP and I want to keep it
>> working without having to spend hours every week tinkering or adjusting.
>> So I like to take preventative measures rather than fix it measures :)
>>
>
> There are statistics...and then there are d*mn statistics. The
> reality is that Microsoft does not know exactly how many systems
> are running Windows XP-SP2 unless it has a way of checking up on
> each computer that exists. IOW, the number is meaningless unless
> Microsoft is willing to admit to being able to spy on individual
> systems and their contents.
>

Ken Gardner
07-09-2005, 11:50 PM
"Jones" wrote:

> Hi,

> I have SP2 installed, but why is it that some people seem togive the
> impression that you are better off without it?

> Is their any rumour in this truth?

I used SP2 for months when it was still in beta. I have never had a problem
with it. If anything, my computer runs better than it did before. You'll be
fine, and you'll also be more secure, once you install SP2.

Just make sure that your machine is crapware-free and you are not running
any old software that constipates on SP2. Generally, if it runs on SP1, it
should run on SP2 as well unless it is itself crapware.

Ken

Leythos
07-09-2005, 11:50 PM
In article <d7ddgj$ses$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk>, jones@noreply.com
says...
> Hi,
> I have SP2 installed, but why is it that some people seem togive the
> impression that you are better off without it?
>
> Is their any rumour in this truth?

With the rare exception of some incompatible software that's based
around hardware, there have been few real reports of SP2 breaking
anything on a clean machine.

Machines that are compromised are likely to not survive a SP2 upgrade
with any dignity.

We have more than 1000 machines with SP2 across the USA and have only
found 2 that experienced any problem, doing a clean install with SP2
worked fine.

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Mistoffolees
07-09-2005, 11:50 PM
Richard Urban wrote:
> You don't think that Microsoft knows how many times it has been downloaded
> from "their" servers, or haw many time it has been sent out through "their"
> Window Update service? You don't think that Microsoft KNOWS how many SP2
> CD's they have "mailed" out to their customers?
>
> The reality is that you don't know what YOU are talking about. It is likely
> that the estimate that Microsoft gives out is on the LOW side. I personally
> have used 1 (one) SP2 CD to install SP2 on a couple of hundred computers.
> How many others have done the same thing?


Like all numbers, nobody really knows; it's like the half
glass of water being either half-full or half-empty. It all
depends on one's point of view. It is quite presumptuous to
equate the number of SP2 downloads or the number of SP2 CD's
shipped to the number installed. Or even project a ratio for
their numbers to numbers installed. You don't know the real
number (nor do I) of actual usage of SP2 except for what
Microsoft wants to say it is in their PR releases.

Richard Urban
07-09-2005, 11:51 PM
I think it can be safely assumed (without making an ass out of you and me)
that with every automatic or manual update from Windows Update, "those"
people have SP2 installed. I also believe that the people who ordered the
free SP2 CD did so because they wanted to install it on one, or likely many,
computers. If they didn't, why would they order it?

I am not even considering the number of free copies from computer stores,
magazines, some post offices etc. Then there are the people who copied the
free CD they received from Microsoft and distributed it among their friends
and acquaintances. These of course can not be determined, but they certainly
add to the total number.

I believe you could take the totals from the first group above, use a
plus/minus 10% variance - and be pretty damn close to the actual total of
machines that have SP2 installed.

Now, what records would YOU use to determine the number of computers that
have SP2 installed? We have to start from somewhere! Do you have a better
base upon which to gage, or make a statement? Please - let us know!

--
Regards,

Richard Urban

aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)

If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!


"Mistoffolees" <mistyfac01@danang.rvn> wrote in message
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>
> Richard Urban wrote:
>> You don't think that Microsoft knows how many times it has been
>> downloaded from "their" servers, or haw many time it has been sent out
>> through "their" Window Update service? You don't think that Microsoft
>> KNOWS how many SP2 CD's they have "mailed" out to their customers?
>>
>> The reality is that you don't know what YOU are talking about. It is
>> likely that the estimate that Microsoft gives out is on the LOW side. I
>> personally have used 1 (one) SP2 CD to install SP2 on a couple of hundred
>> computers. How many others have done the same thing?
>
>
> Like all numbers, nobody really knows; it's like the half
> glass of water being either half-full or half-empty. It all
> depends on one's point of view. It is quite presumptuous to
> equate the number of SP2 downloads or the number of SP2 CD's
> shipped to the number installed. Or even project a ratio for
> their numbers to numbers installed. You don't know the real
> number (nor do I) of actual usage of SP2 except for what
> Microsoft wants to say it is in their PR releases.
>

nospam
07-09-2005, 11:51 PM
I installed SP2 twicw before and had problems with specific software HARD
crashing the computer EVERY TIME!

With SP2 I can no longer run Nikon Capture Editor (digital photo editor)
because the crash is so bad, it takes the computer 15 minutes to come back
up to life. I applied the fix suggested by Nikon, but that doesn't work. Go
figure..............

Treeman
07-09-2005, 11:51 PM
Generally, if it runs on SP1, it should run on SP2 as well unless it is itself crapware. Ken[/QUOTE Wrote:
>
> Crapware meaning it's not a Microsoft product?
> Waiting for SP3 or Longhorn. :p
> Treeman


--
Treeman

MarcD
07-09-2005, 11:51 PM
"Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:eJ5$joQZFHA.2400@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
|I think it can be safely assumed (without making an ass out of you and me)
| that with every automatic or manual update from Windows Update, "those"
| people have SP2 installed. I also believe that the people who ordered the
| free SP2 CD did so because they wanted to install it on one, or likely many,
| computers. If they didn't, why would they order it?
|
| I am not even considering the number of free copies from computer stores,
| magazines, some post offices etc. Then there are the people who copied the
| free CD they received from Microsoft and distributed it among their friends
| and acquaintances. These of course can not be determined, but they certainly
| add to the total number.
|
| I believe you could take the totals from the first group above, use a
| plus/minus 10% variance - and be pretty damn close to the actual total of
| machines that have SP2 installed.
|
| Now, what records would YOU use to determine the number of computers that
| have SP2 installed? We have to start from somewhere! Do you have a better
| base upon which to gage, or make a statement? Please - let us know!
|
| --
| Regards,
|
| Richard Urban
|
| aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
|
| If you knew as much as you think you know,
| You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
|
|
| "Mistoffolees" <mistyfac01@danang.rvn> wrote in message
| news:%23bw0dvNZFHA.2688@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
| >
| > Richard Urban wrote:
| >> You don't think that Microsoft knows how many times it has been
| >> downloaded from "their" servers, or haw many time it has been sent out
| >> through "their" Window Update service? You don't think that Microsoft
| >> KNOWS how many SP2 CD's they have "mailed" out to their customers?
| >>
| >> The reality is that you don't know what YOU are talking about. It is
| >> likely that the estimate that Microsoft gives out is on the LOW side. I
| >> personally have used 1 (one) SP2 CD to install SP2 on a couple of hundred
| >> computers. How many others have done the same thing?
| >
| >
| > Like all numbers, nobody really knows; it's like the half
| > glass of water being either half-full or half-empty. It all
| > depends on one's point of view. It is quite presumptuous to
| > equate the number of SP2 downloads or the number of SP2 CD's
| > shipped to the number installed. Or even project a ratio for
| > their numbers to numbers installed. You don't know the real
| > number (nor do I) of actual usage of SP2 except for what
| > Microsoft wants to say it is in their PR releases.
| >
|


WGAF!|

Richard Urban
07-09-2005, 11:51 PM
Jones, G Halleck and Mistoffolees apparently!

--
Regards,

Richard Urban

aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)

If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!


"MarcD" <md1&Only@thistime.place> wrote in message
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>
>
>
> "Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:eJ5$joQZFHA.2400@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> |I think it can be safely assumed (without making an ass out of you and
> me)
> | that with every automatic or manual update from Windows Update, "those"
> | people have SP2 installed. I also believe that the people who ordered
> the
> | free SP2 CD did so because they wanted to install it on one, or likely
> many,
> | computers. If they didn't, why would they order it?
> |
> | I am not even considering the number of free copies from computer
> stores,
> | magazines, some post offices etc. Then there are the people who copied
> the
> | free CD they received from Microsoft and distributed it among their
> friends
> | and acquaintances. These of course can not be determined, but they
> certainly
> | add to the total number.
> |
> | I believe you could take the totals from the first group above, use a
> | plus/minus 10% variance - and be pretty damn close to the actual total
> of
> | machines that have SP2 installed.
> |
> | Now, what records would YOU use to determine the number of computers
> that
> | have SP2 installed? We have to start from somewhere! Do you have a
> better
> | base upon which to gage, or make a statement? Please - let us know!
> |
> | --
> | Regards,
> |
> | Richard Urban
> |
> | aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
> |
> | If you knew as much as you think you know,
> | You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
> |
> |
> | "Mistoffolees" <mistyfac01@danang.rvn> wrote in message
> | news:%23bw0dvNZFHA.2688@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> | >
> | > Richard Urban wrote:
> | >> You don't think that Microsoft knows how many times it has been
> | >> downloaded from "their" servers, or haw many time it has been sent
> out
> | >> through "their" Window Update service? You don't think that Microsoft
> | >> KNOWS how many SP2 CD's they have "mailed" out to their customers?
> | >>
> | >> The reality is that you don't know what YOU are talking about. It is
> | >> likely that the estimate that Microsoft gives out is on the LOW side.
> I
> | >> personally have used 1 (one) SP2 CD to install SP2 on a couple of
> hundred
> | >> computers. How many others have done the same thing?
> | >
> | >
> | > Like all numbers, nobody really knows; it's like the half
> | > glass of water being either half-full or half-empty. It all
> | > depends on one's point of view. It is quite presumptuous to
> | > equate the number of SP2 downloads or the number of SP2 CD's
> | > shipped to the number installed. Or even project a ratio for
> | > their numbers to numbers installed. You don't know the real
> | > number (nor do I) of actual usage of SP2 except for what
> | > Microsoft wants to say it is in their PR releases.
> | >
> |
>
>
> WGAF!|
>
>

Steve N.
07-10-2005, 12:01 AM
Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:

> Because they are either naive or have a spyware-infested PC
> that makes installing SP2 a little troublesome.
> Over 180 million XP users have already installed SP2.
>
> Windows XP Service Pack 2 Checklist
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spackins.htm
>
> [Courtesy of MS-MVP Jupiter Jones]
>

There are some very real problems with SP2 that fortunately don't effect
everyone, particularly with regard to some networking situations. I
cannot use SP2 on my XP Pro box at work because it interferes with me
accessing Netware shares and it disables raw packets which I need for
network analyzer applications, among other things.

Steve

BC
07-10-2005, 12:01 AM
Treeman wrote:
> Generally, if it runs on SP1, it should run on SP2 as well unless it is itself crapware. Ken[/QUOTE Wrote:
> >
> > Crapware meaning it's not a Microsoft product?
> > Waiting for SP3 or Longhorn. :p
> > Treeman
>
>
> --
> Treeman


SP2 is crapware. I made the mistake of installing it on a
PC to correct an oddball problem with Word 2002 that I
determined was OS related. It would have been easier to
have backed up everything, wipe the hard drive, install
Windows 2K, and reinstall everything else. The SP2 upgrade
made the PC slower, printing extremely slow, and it messed
up the mouseover popup info for files located on network
shares.

I got most of the speed back with a thorough cleaning of
the hard drive and the registry, followed by a defrag. I
found a hack to fix the mouseover popup. The last problem,
the very slow printing, seemed a little bit too devious to
have been accidental: with SP2, a big slowdown in printing
occurs with shared printers connected to either older
versions of Windows or Linux boxes running Samba.

How convenient for Microsoft, eh?

The workaround was to use LPTx: redirects to the shared
network printers, with bidirectional printing turned off.

Unrelated to this, but in keeping with a certain pattern,
another client decided to upgrade her Outlook 2000 to
2003 in advance of a major upgrade to the Exchange
Server system on her town network. This caused her email
to stop working. Some Googling indicated that Outlook 2003
has compatibility issues with Exchange Server 5.5, so I
told her to reinstall her older Outlook and wait until
the Exchange upgrade. That fixed things. Of course a
genuine upgrade would have entailed dumping Exchange Server
altogether for an IMAP server with some groupware connector
for Outlook, and then gradually weaning users off Outlook
itself altogether.

I don't know if these dumbass problems are just more
incompetence on Microsoft's part in keeping with their
wretched security management, or some form of insidious
and cynical marketing, but the end result in either case
is not in doubt: Crapware.

-BC


Why have I been hearing negative reports about SP2?