Re: When newer is not always better



Jon
07-09-2005, 11:49 PM
Thanks for your reply

Nothing obvious in the program options, for either program (unless I'm
missing something), but did spot this REG_BINARY registry key which looks
promising at

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\MessengerService

called

NoUpdatePromptTime

Currently has the value .... hex:80,3c,ac,33,c5,63,c5,01

Perhaps it's possible to modify it to represent some time in the far distant
future, although I'm not sure how those 8 values correspond to a specific
date

Jon


"Malke" <invalid@not-real.com> wrote in message
news:uNufJX9YFHA.2520@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Jon wrote:
>
>> Anyone discovered a way to stop Windows Messenger, and / or MSN
>> Messenger, from (persistently) notifying you that a newer version is
>> available? (other than updating ;) )?
>>
>> I am currently content with version 4.7.2009 of Windows Messenger,
>> because of its add-in support, and although I probably will update MSN
>> Messenger sometime, I would prefer not having the constant reminders.
>>
>> Using XP Home. Thanks for any thoughts.
>>
>> Jon
>
> Look in the programs' options for something regarding update checks. If
> there isn't anything, then since these are Microsoft products let them
> know:
>
> Microsoft Wish Program - http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=114491
>
> Malke
> --
> Elephant Boy Computers
> www.elephantboycomputers.com
> "Don't Panic!"
> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User

R. McCarty
07-09-2005, 11:49 PM
If you use a 3rd-Party Firewall, it might be possible to actually block
the MSN updater from checking. Usually, the update check modules
are different from the core application and can be restricted with a
Firewall Block. Not sure if this is the case with MSN but might be
worth checking. I know that with Zone Alarm Free, which I use, I can
disable Automatic updates for things like Java, QuickTime. Still the
best approach would be to disable that feature directly from the app
itself. Have you contacted MSN support ?, Likely this isn't the first
time someone has wanted to halt the updater from running.


"Jon" <Email_Address@SomewhereOrOther.com> wrote in message
news:eFo9ey9YFHA.3572@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Thanks for your reply
>
> Nothing obvious in the program options, for either program (unless I'm
> missing something), but did spot this REG_BINARY registry key which looks
> promising at
>
> HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\MessengerService
>
> called
>
> NoUpdatePromptTime
>
> Currently has the value .... hex:80,3c,ac,33,c5,63,c5,01
>
> Perhaps it's possible to modify it to represent some time in the far
> distant
> future, although I'm not sure how those 8 values correspond to a specific
> date
>
> Jon
>
>
> "Malke" <invalid@not-real.com> wrote in message
> news:uNufJX9YFHA.2520@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> Jon wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone discovered a way to stop Windows Messenger, and / or MSN
>>> Messenger, from (persistently) notifying you that a newer version is
>>> available? (other than updating ;) )?
>>>
>>> I am currently content with version 4.7.2009 of Windows Messenger,
>>> because of its add-in support, and although I probably will update MSN
>>> Messenger sometime, I would prefer not having the constant reminders.
>>>
>>> Using XP Home. Thanks for any thoughts.
>>>
>>> Jon
>>
>> Look in the programs' options for something regarding update checks. If
>> there isn't anything, then since these are Microsoft products let them
>> know:
>>
>> Microsoft Wish Program - http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=114491
>>
>> Malke
>> --
>> Elephant Boy Computers
>> www.elephantboycomputers.com
>> "Don't Panic!"
>> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
>
>
>

Jon
07-09-2005, 11:49 PM
Yes, good suggestions. Thanks. Will look into those.

Jon


"R. McCarty" <PcEngWork-NoSpam_@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:%23iVjB49YFHA.616@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> If you use a 3rd-Party Firewall, it might be possible to actually block
> the MSN updater from checking. Usually, the update check modules
> are different from the core application and can be restricted with a
> Firewall Block. Not sure if this is the case with MSN but might be
> worth checking. I know that with Zone Alarm Free, which I use, I can
> disable Automatic updates for things like Java, QuickTime. Still the
> best approach would be to disable that feature directly from the app
> itself. Have you contacted MSN support ?, Likely this isn't the first
> time someone has wanted to halt the updater from running.
>
>
> "Jon" <Email_Address@SomewhereOrOther.com> wrote in message
> news:eFo9ey9YFHA.3572@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> Thanks for your reply
>>
>> Nothing obvious in the program options, for either program (unless I'm
>> missing something), but did spot this REG_BINARY registry key which looks
>> promising at
>>
>> HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\MessengerService
>>
>> called
>>
>> NoUpdatePromptTime
>>
>> Currently has the value .... hex:80,3c,ac,33,c5,63,c5,01
>>
>> Perhaps it's possible to modify it to represent some time in the far
>> distant
>> future, although I'm not sure how those 8 values correspond to a specific
>> date
>>
>> Jon
>>
>>
>> "Malke" <invalid@not-real.com> wrote in message
>> news:uNufJX9YFHA.2520@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>> Jon wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anyone discovered a way to stop Windows Messenger, and / or MSN
>>>> Messenger, from (persistently) notifying you that a newer version is
>>>> available? (other than updating ;) )?
>>>>
>>>> I am currently content with version 4.7.2009 of Windows Messenger,
>>>> because of its add-in support, and although I probably will update MSN
>>>> Messenger sometime, I would prefer not having the constant reminders.
>>>>
>>>> Using XP Home. Thanks for any thoughts.
>>>>
>>>> Jon
>>>
>>> Look in the programs' options for something regarding update checks. If
>>> there isn't anything, then since these are Microsoft products let them
>>> know:
>>>
>>> Microsoft Wish Program - http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=114491
>>>
>>> Malke
>>> --
>>> Elephant Boy Computers
>>> www.elephantboycomputers.com
>>> "Don't Panic!"
>>> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
>>
>>
>>
>
>

DianaH
07-09-2005, 11:49 PM
Jon,
I'm not sure this will help, but I did have the same experience, but it was
with MSN messenger, not the older messenger (the version for xp).

I uninstalled version 6 of msn messenger and then downloaded the newest
version (7).
That did the trick. There are periodic updates, but they are fewer and
further between.
Hope that helps.
Diana

"Jon" <Email_Address@SomewhereOrOther.com> wrote in message
news:eFo9ey9YFHA.3572@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
Thanks for your reply

Nothing obvious in the program options, for either program (unless I'm
missing something), but did spot this REG_BINARY registry key which looks
promising at

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\MessengerService

called

NoUpdatePromptTime

Currently has the value .... hex:80,3c,ac,33,c5,63,c5,01

Perhaps it's possible to modify it to represent some time in the far distant
future, although I'm not sure how those 8 values correspond to a specific
date

Jon


"Malke" <invalid@not-real.com> wrote in message
news:uNufJX9YFHA.2520@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Jon wrote:
>
>> Anyone discovered a way to stop Windows Messenger, and / or MSN
>> Messenger, from (persistently) notifying you that a newer version is
>> available? (other than updating ;) )?
>>
>> I am currently content with version 4.7.2009 of Windows Messenger,
>> because of its add-in support, and although I probably will update MSN
>> Messenger sometime, I would prefer not having the constant reminders.
>>
>> Using XP Home. Thanks for any thoughts.
>>
>> Jon
>
> Look in the programs' options for something regarding update checks. If
> there isn't anything, then since these are Microsoft products let them
> know:
>
> Microsoft Wish Program - http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=114491
>
> Malke
> --
> Elephant Boy Computers
> www.elephantboycomputers.com
> "Don't Panic!"
> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User

Jon
07-09-2005, 11:49 PM
Thanks for your reply Diana. Will have a look at version 7, as you suggest

Found the solution for Windows Messenger. You simply add the DWORD key

DisableUpdates (with a value of 1)

to

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\MessengerService\Policies

and that does the trick.


Seems more complicated for MSN Messenger, but seems to revolve around the
key

NoUpdatePromptTime

at

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\MSNMessenger

The key is created when you click the "Don't tell me for another week" in
response to the update request.

Think the last 3 values (of the 8 value binary key) represent the day for
the next prompt, but if the represented value differs by more than a certain
number of days from your clock date, an update seems to be triggered.

So perhaps some kind of logon program that modifies that key will prove to
be the solution.

I'm not so concerned about the MSN updates though, and will probably update
at some stage. It was more the Windows Messenger update prompts that I was
keen to do without.

Thanks again.

Jon



"DianaH" <nuttin@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:uvUf8p$YFHA.1148@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Jon,
> I'm not sure this will help, but I did have the same experience, but it
> was
> with MSN messenger, not the older messenger (the version for xp).
>
> I uninstalled version 6 of msn messenger and then downloaded the newest
> version (7).
> That did the trick. There are periodic updates, but they are fewer and
> further between.
> Hope that helps.
> Diana
>
> "Jon" <Email_Address@SomewhereOrOther.com> wrote in message
> news:eFo9ey9YFHA.3572@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Thanks for your reply
>
> Nothing obvious in the program options, for either program (unless I'm
> missing something), but did spot this REG_BINARY registry key which looks
> promising at
>
> HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\MessengerService
>
> called
>
> NoUpdatePromptTime
>
> Currently has the value .... hex:80,3c,ac,33,c5,63,c5,01
>
> Perhaps it's possible to modify it to represent some time in the far
> distant
> future, although I'm not sure how those 8 values correspond to a specific
> date
>
> Jon
>
>
> "Malke" <invalid@not-real.com> wrote in message
> news:uNufJX9YFHA.2520@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> Jon wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone discovered a way to stop Windows Messenger, and / or MSN
>>> Messenger, from (persistently) notifying you that a newer version is
>>> available? (other than updating ;) )?
>>>
>>> I am currently content with version 4.7.2009 of Windows Messenger,
>>> because of its add-in support, and although I probably will update MSN
>>> Messenger sometime, I would prefer not having the constant reminders.
>>>
>>> Using XP Home. Thanks for any thoughts.
>>>
>>> Jon
>>
>> Look in the programs' options for something regarding update checks. If
>> there isn't anything, then since these are Microsoft products let them
>> know:
>>
>> Microsoft Wish Program - http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=114491
>>
>> Malke
>> --
>> Elephant Boy Computers
>> www.elephantboycomputers.com
>> "Don't Panic!"
>> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
>
>
>
>


Re: When newer is not always better