compressing c drive



michael b
07-09-2005, 11:46 PM
hi

is this a good idea to save on disk space ?

thanks !

michael.

Shenan Stanley
07-09-2005, 11:46 PM
michael b wrote:
> is this a good idea to save on disk space ?

Assuming a personal machine:
Buy a second drive or uninstall/copy to external media things you do not
need.

Assuming a business machine:
Store your data on the server provided by your IT department, get another
drive or copy to external media things you no longer need (but need backed
up.)

Compression, while it works, can slow your data access (machine over all)
and if something goes awry with the compressed files, there is less of a
chance for successful recovery. The price for another hard drive is low.

For Pricing/Opinions/Reviews on various products:
- http://www.pricewatch.com/
- http://www.dealsites.net/
- http://www.techbargains.com/
- http://www.resellerratings.com/
- http://www.epinions.com/

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Malke
07-09-2005, 11:46 PM
michael b wrote:

> hi
>
> is this a good idea to save on disk space ?
>
> thanks !
>
> michael.

No. It wasn't a good idea back in the Win95 days and it certainly isn't
now. Buy a bigger hard drive. In the meantime, here is a link to help
you:

http://aumha.org/a/health.htm - Take Out the Trash (section 4)

Malke
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www.elephantboycomputers.com
"Don't Panic!"
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User

Alias
07-09-2005, 11:46 PM
So the XP's Clean Up feature to compress old files shouldn't be used? Can
one uncompress files without doing them one at a time?

Alias

"Malke" <invalid@not-real.com> wrote in message
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> michael b wrote:
>
>> hi
>>
>> is this a good idea to save on disk space ?
>>
>> thanks !
>>
>> michael.
>
> No. It wasn't a good idea back in the Win95 days and it certainly isn't
> now. Buy a bigger hard drive. In the meantime, here is a link to help
> you:
>
> http://aumha.org/a/health.htm - Take Out the Trash (section 4)
>
> Malke
> --
> Elephant Boy Computers
> www.elephantboycomputers.com
> "Don't Panic!"
> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User

Richard Urban
07-09-2005, 11:46 PM
Old files that are not used on a daily basis most certainly can be
compressed. You have a program folder, and only use that program once every
month. Would you wait another 1.3 seconds to use that program if by
compressing it you would save 192 meg out of the 400 meg in the folder?

Also, there are some programs that may even load faster when compressed. The
reason? Because your hard drive is likely the slowest component (bottle
neck) in your computer (compared to the CPU, RAM and the system bus). A
compressed file may load faster due to its smaller size. It then get to the
guts of the computer (the CPU and the RAM) which are very fast in
comparison!

YOU have to make the choice!

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aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)

If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!


"Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
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> So the XP's Clean Up feature to compress old files shouldn't be used? Can
> one uncompress files without doing them one at a time?
>
> Alias
>
> "Malke" <invalid@not-real.com> wrote in message
> news:efUBAKlYFHA.3572@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> michael b wrote:
>>
>>> hi
>>>
>>> is this a good idea to save on disk space ?
>>>
>>> thanks !
>>>
>>> michael.
>>
>> No. It wasn't a good idea back in the Win95 days and it certainly isn't
>> now. Buy a bigger hard drive. In the meantime, here is a link to help
>> you:
>>
>> http://aumha.org/a/health.htm - Take Out the Trash (section 4)
>>
>> Malke
>> --
>> Elephant Boy Computers
>> www.elephantboycomputers.com
>> "Don't Panic!"
>> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
>
>

Bill Sharpe
07-09-2005, 11:46 PM
I compressed my "old files" on my C drive and went from 5% fragmentation
to 80% fragmentation. Ouch!

Uncompressing the files did not improve the fragmentation and it took
SpeedDisk a couple hours to get me back to a reasonable fragmentation
level.

Much better solution, as already suggested, is to get a bigger hard
drive.

Bill

"Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
news:Obr1BZlYFHA.2076@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
So the XP's Clean Up feature to compress old files shouldn't be used?
Can
one uncompress files without doing them one at a time?

Alias

"Malke" <invalid@not-real.com> wrote in message
news:efUBAKlYFHA.3572@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> michael b wrote:
>
>> hi
>>
>> is this a good idea to save on disk space ?
>>
>> thanks !
>>
>> michael.
>
> No. It wasn't a good idea back in the Win95 days and it certainly
> isn't
> now. Buy a bigger hard drive. In the meantime, here is a link to help
> you:
>
> http://aumha.org/a/health.htm - Take Out the Trash (section 4)
>
> Malke
> --
> Elephant Boy Computers
> www.elephantboycomputers.com
> "Don't Panic!"
> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User

DevilsPGD
07-09-2005, 11:46 PM
In message <ufaWxVmYFHA.3096@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl> "Bill Sharpe"
<bsharpe@nsadelphia.net> wrote:

>I compressed my "old files" on my C drive and went from 5% fragmentation
>to 80% fragmentation. Ouch!
>
>Uncompressing the files did not improve the fragmentation and it took
>SpeedDisk a couple hours to get me back to a reasonable fragmentation
>level.

This is typical -- Even though your files were not fragmented, your free
space was probably extremely fragmented when you started. When files
are compressed they are completely rewritten to new locations on the
drive before the old space can be released.

This is done for a simple reason: It makes it possible to recover data
if you kill the compression routine part way through, either by
terminating the task, or powering off the system (which doesn't give the
write cache time to complete)

This is a one time downside to enabling or disabling compression, and a
simple defrag will fix it.

--
"If it weren't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent
that year in college"
-- Lewis Black

Malke
07-09-2005, 11:47 PM
DevilsPGD wrote:

> In message <ufaWxVmYFHA.3096@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl> "Bill Sharpe"
> <bsharpe@nsadelphia.net> wrote:
>
>>I compressed my "old files" on my C drive and went from 5%
>>fragmentation to 80% fragmentation. Ouch!
>>
>>Uncompressing the files did not improve the fragmentation and it took
>>SpeedDisk a couple hours to get me back to a reasonable fragmentation
>>level.
>
> This is typical -- Even though your files were not fragmented, your
> free
> space was probably extremely fragmented when you started. When files
> are compressed they are completely rewritten to new locations on the
> drive before the old space can be released.
>
> This is done for a simple reason: It makes it possible to recover data
> if you kill the compression routine part way through, either by
> terminating the task, or powering off the system (which doesn't give
> the write cache time to complete)
>
> This is a one time downside to enabling or disabling compression, and
> a simple defrag will fix it.
>

BTW - I read the OP as referring to compressing the entire C: drive the
way it was done in The Old Days. If s/he was talking about just
compressing a few files, that's a different story although I still
think just cleaning up the drive and maybe buying a bigger one and/or a
second one is a better solution.

Malke
--
Elephant Boy Computers
www.elephantboycomputers.com
"Don't Panic!"
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User

Bob I
07-09-2005, 11:47 PM
In line

Alias wrote:

> So the XP's Clean Up feature to compress old files shouldn't be used?

HUGE difference between selective file compression and the idea of a
compressed drive. First one is ok, if used in moderation. The second one
is a bloody nightmare to sort out when it acts up.

Can one uncompress files without doing them one at a time?

Yes, select the folder containing the compressed files, r-click and
Properties, General, Advanced, and UNcheck "Compress contents......" It
will be a sort of "grayed check" because not everything is compressed
but "Uncheck and Apply" will remove the compression from those files
that are compressed.

>
> Alias
>
> "Malke" <invalid@not-real.com> wrote in message
> news:efUBAKlYFHA.3572@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>
>>michael b wrote:
>>
>>
>>>hi
>>>
>>>is this a good idea to save on disk space ?
>>>
>>>thanks !
>>>
>>>michael.
>>
>>No. It wasn't a good idea back in the Win95 days and it certainly isn't
>>now. Buy a bigger hard drive. In the meantime, here is a link to help
>>you:
>>
>>http://aumha.org/a/health.htm - Take Out the Trash (section 4)
>>
>>Malke
>>--
>>Elephant Boy Computers
>>www.elephantboycomputers.com
>>"Don't Panic!"
>>MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
>
>
>

Yves Leclerc
07-09-2005, 11:47 PM
Compressing drive C; and compressing old files are two different things!!!

Disk compressing (a la Windows 95 DriveSpace) is dangerous and needs to be
avoided at ALL COST! This creates a single file which stores your entire
drive contents. If this file ever becomes "damaged", you loose all your
files.

Compressing old files will only compress each file into a small file. At
most, you may loose one, or more, file but never your entire drive.

"Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
news:Obr1BZlYFHA.2076@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> So the XP's Clean Up feature to compress old files shouldn't be used? Can
> one uncompress files without doing them one at a time?
>
> Alias
>
> "Malke" <invalid@not-real.com> wrote in message
> news:efUBAKlYFHA.3572@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> michael b wrote:
>>
>>> hi
>>>
>>> is this a good idea to save on disk space ?
>>>
>>> thanks !
>>>
>>> michael.
>>
>> No. It wasn't a good idea back in the Win95 days and it certainly isn't
>> now. Buy a bigger hard drive. In the meantime, here is a link to help
>> you:
>>
>> http://aumha.org/a/health.htm - Take Out the Trash (section 4)
>>
>> Malke
>> --
>> Elephant Boy Computers
>> www.elephantboycomputers.com
>> "Don't Panic!"
>> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
>
>

Alias
07-09-2005, 11:47 PM
"Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> In line
>
> Alias wrote:
>
>> So the XP's Clean Up feature to compress old files shouldn't be used?
>
> HUGE difference between selective file compression and the idea of a
> compressed drive. First one is ok, if used in moderation. The second one
> is a bloody nightmare to sort out when it acts up.
>
> Can one uncompress files without doing them one at a time?
>
> Yes, select the folder containing the compressed files, r-click and
> Properties, General, Advanced, and UNcheck "Compress contents......" It
> will be a sort of "grayed check" because not everything is compressed but
> "Uncheck and Apply" will remove the compression from those files that are
> compressed.

Thanks

Alias
>
>>
>> Alias
>>
>> "Malke" <invalid@not-real.com> wrote in message
>> news:efUBAKlYFHA.3572@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>
>>>michael b wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>hi
>>>>
>>>>is this a good idea to save on disk space ?
>>>>
>>>>thanks !
>>>>
>>>>michael.
>>>
>>>No. It wasn't a good idea back in the Win95 days and it certainly isn't
>>>now. Buy a bigger hard drive. In the meantime, here is a link to help
>>>you:
>>>
>>>http://aumha.org/a/health.htm - Take Out the Trash (section 4)
>>>
>>>Malke
>>>--
>>>Elephant Boy Computers
>>>www.elephantboycomputers.com
>>>"Don't Panic!"
>>>MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
>>
>>
>>
>

Alias
07-09-2005, 11:47 PM
"Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:OzD8PesYFHA.1868@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> In line
>
> Alias wrote:
>
>> So the XP's Clean Up feature to compress old files shouldn't be used?
>
> HUGE difference between selective file compression and the idea of a
> compressed drive. First one is ok, if used in moderation. The second one
> is a bloody nightmare to sort out when it acts up.
>
> Can one uncompress files without doing them one at a time?
>
> Yes, select the folder containing the compressed files, r-click and
> Properties, General, Advanced, and UNcheck "Compress contents......" It
> will be a sort of "grayed check" because not everything is compressed but
> "Uncheck and Apply" will remove the compression from those files that are
> compressed.

I tried that with a folder that has some compressed files and it's already
unchecked.

Alias
>
>>
>> Alias
>>
>> "Malke" <invalid@not-real.com> wrote in message
>> news:efUBAKlYFHA.3572@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>
>>>michael b wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>hi
>>>>
>>>>is this a good idea to save on disk space ?
>>>>
>>>>thanks !
>>>>
>>>>michael.
>>>
>>>No. It wasn't a good idea back in the Win95 days and it certainly isn't
>>>now. Buy a bigger hard drive. In the meantime, here is a link to help
>>>you:
>>>
>>>http://aumha.org/a/health.htm - Take Out the Trash (section 4)
>>>
>>>Malke
>>>--
>>>Elephant Boy Computers
>>>www.elephantboycomputers.com
>>>"Don't Panic!"
>>>MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
>>
>>
>>
>

Bob I
07-09-2005, 11:47 PM
Alias wrote:

> "Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:OzD8PesYFHA.1868@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...

>>Yes, select the folder containing the compressed files, r-click and
>>Properties, General, Advanced, and UNcheck "Compress contents......" It
>>will be a sort of "grayed check" because not everything is compressed but
>>"Uncheck and Apply" will remove the compression from those files that are
>>compressed.
>
>
> I tried that with a folder that has some compressed files and it's already
> unchecked.
>
> Alias
>

Try this, Open the folder containing the files, Edit, Select All,
Then r-click on the list of selected files, properties, Advanced.

Alias
07-09-2005, 11:47 PM
"Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Alias wrote:
>
>> "Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:OzD8PesYFHA.1868@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>
>>>Yes, select the folder containing the compressed files, r-click and
>>>Properties, General, Advanced, and UNcheck "Compress contents......" It
>>>will be a sort of "grayed check" because not everything is compressed but
>>>"Uncheck and Apply" will remove the compression from those files that are
>>>compressed.
>>
>>
>> I tried that with a folder that has some compressed files and it's
>> already unchecked.
>>
>> Alias
>>
>
> Try this, Open the folder containing the files, Edit, Select All,
> Then r-click on the list of selected files, properties, Advanced.

That worked. Thanks.

Alias
>

Bob I
07-09-2005, 11:47 PM
You're welcome, have a pleasant evening.

Alias wrote:
> "Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:%232ktDIuYFHA.796@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>
>>
>>Alias wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>news:OzD8PesYFHA.1868@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>
>>>>Yes, select the folder containing the compressed files, r-click and
>>>>Properties, General, Advanced, and UNcheck "Compress contents......" It
>>>>will be a sort of "grayed check" because not everything is compressed but
>>>>"Uncheck and Apply" will remove the compression from those files that are
>>>>compressed.
>>>
>>>
>>>I tried that with a folder that has some compressed files and it's
>>>already unchecked.
>>>
>>>Alias
>>>
>>
>>Try this, Open the folder containing the files, Edit, Select All,
>>Then r-click on the list of selected files, properties, Advanced.
>
>
> That worked. Thanks.
>
> Alias
>
>
>

Al Dykes
07-09-2005, 11:47 PM
In article <ufaWxVmYFHA.3096@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl>,
Bill Sharpe <bsharpe@nsadelphia.net> wrote:
>I compressed my "old files" on my C drive and went from 5% fragmentation
>to 80% fragmentation. Ouch!
>
>Uncompressing the files did not improve the fragmentation and it took
>SpeedDisk a couple hours to get me back to a reasonable fragmentation
>level.
>
>Much better solution, as already suggested, is to get a bigger hard
>drive.
>


Did you defrag after compression ? Of course compression causes
fragments. most of the files are smaller.

Back in the day, I compressed the entire C drive on countless deskop
machines. C:\ and everything down. These were slow machines by
today's standards and I vener was able to show any performance
degradation.

Cleanup first, but NTFS compression is great.



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Plato
07-09-2005, 11:50 PM
=?Utf-8?B?bWljaGFlbCBi?= wrote:
>
> is this a good idea to save on disk space ?

NO. Dont use software to solve a hardware problem. You need a larger
HDD.








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Richard Urban
07-09-2005, 11:50 PM
I love to play the "devil's advocate"!

Software is used all the time to eliminate or ameliorate a hardware
condition. Best example is the pagefile.sys.

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Regards,

Richard Urban

aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)

If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!


"Plato" <|@|.|> wrote in message
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> =?Utf-8?B?bWljaGFlbCBi?= wrote:
>>
>> is this a good idea to save on disk space ?
>
> NO. Dont use software to solve a hardware problem. You need a larger
> HDD.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> http://www.bootdisk.com/
>

Bob I
07-09-2005, 11:52 PM
Pagefile.sys ameliorates a SOFTware condition. TOO MANY open applications!

Richard Urban wrote:

> I love to play the "devil's advocate"!
>
> Software is used all the time to eliminate or ameliorate a hardware
> condition. Best example is the pagefile.sys.
>

Bill Sharpe
07-09-2005, 11:52 PM
You could also say pagefile.sys takes care of a hardware problem: Not
enough memory.

Bill

"Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Pagefile.sys ameliorates a SOFTware condition. TOO MANY open
applications!

Richard Urban wrote:

> I love to play the "devil's advocate"!
>
> Software is used all the time to eliminate or ameliorate a hardware
> condition. Best example is the pagefile.sys.
>

Richard Urban
07-09-2005, 11:53 PM
Bingo! You win.

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Regards,

Richard Urban

aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)

If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!


"Bill Sharpe" <bsharpe@nsadelphia.net> wrote in message
news:%23QYvHofZFHA.3876@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> You could also say pagefile.sys takes care of a hardware problem: Not
> enough memory.
>
> Bill
>
> "Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:eNfIGteZFHA.2884@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Pagefile.sys ameliorates a SOFTware condition. TOO MANY open
> applications!
>
> Richard Urban wrote:
>
>> I love to play the "devil's advocate"!
>>
>> Software is used all the time to eliminate or ameliorate a hardware
>> condition. Best example is the pagefile.sys.
>>
>
>


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