Activating Windows XP Home



Dave
07-09-2005, 11:45 PM
Hi

I have a query with reference to how many times we can activate our copy of
XP before we need to call Microsoft.

I bought a genuine copy of Windows XP Home Edition (VRMHOEM_EN) last October
2004 and installed it on my computer. Everything was running smoothly right
up until the present time when I decided to upgrade my Intel CPU from a
2.40C GHz to a 3.20E GHz and also installed 2 x 512MB DDR 400 RAM.

I formatted my computer a couple of days ago and installed a fresh copy of
XP Home and after installation, an automated message appeared on my computer
saying something like, my hardware had changed and that I needed to verify
and activate my copy of XP. I fully realise that making major hardware
changes would probably need me to reactivate XP so I clicked on the link in
the system tray and activated Windows online, without any problems.

I then encountered a few niggly problems with the computer and after sorting
them out, I decided a fresh copy of XP would be best so I reinstalled
Windows using my CD. I then clicked on the activation link and thought that
activation would be over in a few minutes but how wrong I was.

I got a message say something like, according to Microsoft, you have
exceeded the number of times that you can activate with the key and that I
would need to call Microsoft. So I did so using the number given for the UK
and after trying to explain to the M$ representative (CSR I think), that
having only activated my copy of XP twice since October 2004, I certainly
did not think that I had exceeded the number of times I could activate
Windows, but he was not really interested and after giving me another set
of numbers, my copy of XP was activated.

He then gave me another number to call, saying that they may be able to help
with my concerns as to how may times we can activate a copy of XP before
having to call Microsoft.

I really feel that after only activating my copy of XP twice, I have not
exceeded the amount of times I can activate XP and that the message i got
saying that I had done so, was incorrect and so, I would appreciate some
input from Microsoft Windows professionals and would like to know what the
total amount of times a customer can activate their copy of XP before having
to call the activation line. I do realise that if I change the CPU for
example, I would probably get some sort of message from M$ (which I did).

Regards

Dave

Rock
07-09-2005, 11:45 PM
Dave wrote:

> Hi
>
> I have a query with reference to how many times we can activate our copy
> of XP before we need to call Microsoft.
>

<snip>

That's a misleading message. You can activate as many times as you
want. If it's less than 120 days since the last time then it has to be
done over the phone. More than 120 and it's by the internet.

--
Rock
MS MVP Windows - Shell/User

Ken Blake
07-09-2005, 11:45 PM
In news:u%23%23r3liYFHA.2312@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl,
Dave <dave_the_scot@hotmail.com> typed:

> I got a message say something like, according to Microsoft, you
> have
> exceeded the number of times that you can activate with the key
> and
> that I would need to call Microsoft. So I did so using the
> number
> given for the UK and after trying to explain to the M$
> representative
> (CSR I think), that having only activated my copy of XP twice
> since
> October 2004, I certainly did not think that I had exceeded the
> number of times I could activate Windows, but he was not really
> interested and after giving me another set of numbers, my copy
> of XP
> was activated.
> He then gave me another number to call, saying that they may be
> able
> to help with my concerns as to how may times we can activate a
> copy
> of XP before having to call Microsoft.
>
> I really feel that after only activating my copy of XP twice, I
> have
> not exceeded the amount of times I can activate XP and that the
> message i got saying that I had done so, was incorrect and so,
> I
> would appreciate some input from Microsoft Windows
> professionals and
> would like to know what the total amount of times a customer
> can
> activate their copy of XP before having to call the activation
> line. I do realise that if I change the CPU for example, I
> would probably
> get some sort of message from M$ (which I did).


Unfortunately, the message you got was a poor and misleading one.
That's why " he was not really interested." The answer to your
question is that there is *no* maximum number of times and you
can reactivate as often as you need to. You may need to do it
via a telephone call, but if you need to do it, you can.

--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
Please reply to the newsgroup

Dave
07-09-2005, 11:45 PM
Hi Rock

Thanks for your fast response and that's just about how I remember it.

So, going by what you say, was the message, 'that I had exceeded the number
of times that I could activate Windows with that key', after only activating
twice since last October 2004 and then having to call Microsoft when I tried
to activate for the third time, correct?

Between last October when I first activated, and the start of this week,
when I activated for only the second time, is more that 120 days since the
first activation, so according to your info, activation should have been
done via the internet, which it was but, after activating for only the
second time last Monday, I then tried to activate a third time this evening,
which is only 4 days later, your info states that I did need to call
Microsoft.

So am I wrong and Microsoft right?

Regards

Dave

"Rock" <rock@mail.nospam.net> wrote in message
news:%23a9NrpiYFHA.4032@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Dave wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> I have a query with reference to how many times we can activate our copy
>> of XP before we need to call Microsoft.
>>
>
> <snip>
>
> That's a misleading message. You can activate as many times as you want.
> If it's less than 120 days since the last time then it has to be done over
> the phone. More than 120 and it's by the internet.
>
> --
> Rock
> MS MVP Windows - Shell/User
>

Stephen
07-09-2005, 11:46 PM
Dave wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> I have a query with reference to how many times we can activate our
>> copy of XP before we need to call Microsoft.
>>
>> I bought a genuine copy of Windows XP Home Edition (VRMHOEM_EN) last
>> October 2004 and installed it on my computer. Everything was
>> running smoothly right up until the present time when I decided to
>> upgrade my Intel CPU from a
>> 2.40C GHz to a 3.20E GHz and also installed 2 x 512MB DDR 400 RAM.
>>
>> I formatted my computer a couple of days ago and installed a fresh
>> copy of XP Home and after installation, an automated message
>> appeared on my computer saying something like, my hardware had
>> changed and that I needed to verify and activate my copy of XP. I
>> fully realise that making major hardware changes would probably need
>> me to reactivate XP so I clicked on the link in the system tray and
>> activated Windows online, without any problems.
>>
>> I then encountered a few niggly problems with the computer and after
>> sorting them out, I decided a fresh copy of XP would be best so I
>> reinstalled Windows using my CD. I then clicked on the activation
>> link and thought that activation would be over in a few minutes but
>> how wrong I was.
>>
>> I got a message say something like, according to Microsoft, you have
>> exceeded the number of times that you can activate with the key and
>> that I would need to call Microsoft. So I did so using the number
>> given for the UK and after trying to explain to the M$
>> representative (CSR I think), that having only activated my copy of
>> XP twice since October 2004, I certainly did not think that I had
>> exceeded the number of times I could activate Windows, but he was
>> not really interested and after giving me another set of numbers,
>> my copy of XP was activated.
>>
>> He then gave me another number to call, saying that they may be able
>> to help with my concerns as to how may times we can activate a copy
>> of XP before having to call Microsoft.
>>
>> I really feel that after only activating my copy of XP twice, I have
>> not exceeded the amount of times I can activate XP and that the
>> message i got saying that I had done so, was incorrect and so, I
>> would appreciate some input from Microsoft Windows professionals and
>> would like to know what the total amount of times a customer can
>> activate their copy of XP before having to call the activation line.
>> I do realise that if I change the CPU for example, I would probably
>> get some sort of message from M$ (which I did).
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Dave

You can activate the same computer, the same set of hardware again and
again, however you might max out depending on who-knows-what.

One early copy of I bought of Windows XP Home ed. [Retail Upgrade] I could
activate on the same computer endlessly. Another copy I bought only allowed
me around ten times then refused. If that happens to you it will take 120
days before it can be activated over the Internet again.

If you try to install it one more than one set of computer hardware then you
will quickly hit the wall and a telephone call will be required. Many people
think that Microsoft has as much right as any other software company to
reasonably protect their intellectual copyrights.

Windows Product Activation, as it stands, is pretty forgiving and pretty
reasonable in my opinion. It is there only to prevent casual copying by home
and small business users.

The illegal copies you hear of are created by pirates. The scheming pirates
get their hands on a corporate copies [which do not require activation] or
hacked copies [which are hacked to both circumvent activation and maybe
install malware], and they mass produce CD-ROM discs of them for blackmarket
sale. If they get caught, the Product Key associated with those copies gets
blacklisted on the Microsoft servers which may make it difficult in various
ways for users of those copies in the future [Microsoft servers refusing to
download updates etc.] [ I suspect there's an internal debate at Microsoft.
Should they punish the hapless suckered user who fell for a hacked copy or
should they concentrate on the pirates only? ] .

OK back to you. If you plan on installing and re-installing the same copy on
the same set of hardware a number of times just because you want to, for fun
learning etc. notice that you do not need to activate right away. The retail
copy will run for thirty days before requiring activation. So if you are
tinkering, don't activate. If you finally find that you will be leaving the
software on somewhat permanently, only then activate.

Plato
07-09-2005, 11:46 PM
Dave wrote:
>
> So, going by what you say, was the message, 'that I had exceeded the number
> of times that I could activate Windows with that key', after only activating

You can activate as many times as you want. If you cant do it online
then do it with a phone call. Either way, there is no limit.








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kurttrail
07-09-2005, 11:46 PM
Dave wrote:
> Hi Rock
>
> Thanks for your fast response and that's just about how I remember it.
>
> So, going by what you say, was the message, 'that I had exceeded the
> number of times that I could activate Windows with that key', after
> only activating twice since last October 2004 and then having to call
> Microsoft when I tried to activate for the third time, correct?
>
> Between last October when I first activated, and the start of this
> week, when I activated for only the second time, is more that 120
> days since the first activation, so according to your info,
> activation should have been done via the internet, which it was but,
> after activating for only the second time last Monday, I then tried
> to activate a third time this evening, which is only 4 days later,
> your info states that I did need to call Microsoft.
>
> So am I wrong and Microsoft right?

Microsoft is wrong for purposely composing a misleading message. MS
does it in hopes that you'll run out and by a copy of software that you
really don't need. MS is well aware since XP was in beta that the
message is totally misleading and has done absolutely nothing to change
it.

MS is not a reputable company in my book. Not only is it a predatory
monopoly, it is also a legally proven patent, and copyright infringer.

MS is not to be trusted.

--
Peace!
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Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.com/mscommunity
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

Rock
07-09-2005, 11:46 PM
Dave wrote:

> Hi Rock
>
> Thanks for your fast response and that's just about how I remember it.
>
> So, going by what you say, was the message, 'that I had exceeded the
> number of times that I could activate Windows with that key', after only
> activating twice since last October 2004 and then having to call
> Microsoft when I tried to activate for the third time, correct?
>
> Between last October when I first activated, and the start of this week,
> when I activated for only the second time, is more that 120 days since
> the first activation, so according to your info, activation should have
> been done via the internet, which it was but, after activating for only
> the second time last Monday, I then tried to activate a third time this
> evening, which is only 4 days later, your info states that I did need to
> call Microsoft.
>


Because it was less than 120 days between this last time and the
previoius one, that's when the message shows up. It has nothing to do
with the total number of times it was activated - which in reality can
be infinite. It is a misleading message. But since it was less than
120 days then it required the phone activation. The online activation
database is purged every 120 days.

--
Rock
MS MVP Windows - Shell/User

Bruce Chambers
07-09-2005, 11:46 PM
Dave wrote:
> Hi
>
> I have a query with reference to how many times we can activate our copy
> of XP before we need to call Microsoft.
>
> I bought a genuine copy of Windows XP Home Edition (VRMHOEM_EN) last
> October 2004 and installed it on my computer. Everything was running
> smoothly right up until the present time when I decided to upgrade my
> Intel CPU from a 2.40C GHz to a 3.20E GHz and also installed 2 x 512MB
> DDR 400 RAM.
>
> I formatted my computer a couple of days ago and installed a fresh copy
> of XP Home and after installation, an automated message appeared on my
> computer saying something like, my hardware had changed and that I
> needed to verify and activate my copy of XP. I fully realise that
> making major hardware changes would probably need me to reactivate XP so
> I clicked on the link in the system tray and activated Windows online,
> without any problems.
>
> I then encountered a few niggly problems with the computer and after
> sorting them out, I decided a fresh copy of XP would be best so I
> reinstalled Windows using my CD. I then clicked on the activation link
> and thought that activation would be over in a few minutes but how wrong
> I was.
>
> I got a message say something like, according to Microsoft, you have
> exceeded the number of times that you can activate with the key and that
> I would need to call Microsoft. So I did so using the number given for
> the UK and after trying to explain to the M$ representative (CSR I
> think), that having only activated my copy of XP twice since October
> 2004, I certainly did not think that I had exceeded the number of times
> I could activate Windows, but he was not really interested and after
> giving me another set of numbers, my copy of XP was activated.
>
> He then gave me another number to call, saying that they may be able to
> help with my concerns as to how may times we can activate a copy of XP
> before having to call Microsoft.
>
> I really feel that after only activating my copy of XP twice, I have not
> exceeded the amount of times I can activate XP and that the message i
> got saying that I had done so, was incorrect and so, I would appreciate
> some input from Microsoft Windows professionals and would like to know
> what the total amount of times a customer can activate their copy of XP
> before having to call the activation line. I do realise that if I
> change the CPU for example, I would probably get some sort of message
> from M$ (which I did).
>
> Regards
>
> Dave
>
>
>


The error message you received is misleading. What it really means is
that you've activated "too many times within the last 120 days." I
think Microsoft should fix this message, but it is, in reality, a
relatively minor "cosmetic" issue, so they're probably giving more
weight to some silly cost-benefit analysis more than they are their
customers' confusion.

There's no limit to the number of times you can reinstall and
activate the same WinXP license on the same PC. Nor is there ever a
charge. Nor does a Product Key (so long as it's not an evaluation
license) ever expire. If it's been more than 120 days since you last
activated that specific Product Key, you'll most likely be able to
activate via the Internet without problem. If it's been less, you
might have to make a 5 minute phone call.

Here are the facts pertaining to activation:

Piracy Basics - Microsoft Product Activation
http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/basics/activation/

Windows Product Activation (WPA)
http://www.aumha.org/a/wpa.htm


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Steve N.
07-09-2005, 11:49 PM
Bruce Chambers wrote:

> Dave wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> I have a query with reference to how many times we can activate our
>> copy of XP before we need to call Microsoft.
>>
>> I bought a genuine copy of Windows XP Home Edition (VRMHOEM_EN) last
>> October 2004 and installed it on my computer. Everything was running
>> smoothly right up until the present time when I decided to upgrade my
>> Intel CPU from a 2.40C GHz to a 3.20E GHz and also installed 2 x 512MB
>> DDR 400 RAM.
>>
>> I formatted my computer a couple of days ago and installed a fresh
>> copy of XP Home and after installation, an automated message appeared
>> on my computer saying something like, my hardware had changed and that
>> I needed to verify and activate my copy of XP. I fully realise that
>> making major hardware changes would probably need me to reactivate XP
>> so I clicked on the link in the system tray and activated Windows
>> online, without any problems.
>>
>> I then encountered a few niggly problems with the computer and after
>> sorting them out, I decided a fresh copy of XP would be best so I
>> reinstalled Windows using my CD. I then clicked on the activation
>> link and thought that activation would be over in a few minutes but
>> how wrong I was.
>>
>> I got a message say something like, according to Microsoft, you have
>> exceeded the number of times that you can activate with the key and
>> that I would need to call Microsoft. So I did so using the number
>> given for the UK and after trying to explain to the M$ representative
>> (CSR I think), that having only activated my copy of XP twice since
>> October 2004, I certainly did not think that I had exceeded the number
>> of times I could activate Windows, but he was not really interested
>> and after giving me another set of numbers, my copy of XP was activated.
>>
>> He then gave me another number to call, saying that they may be able
>> to help with my concerns as to how may times we can activate a copy of
>> XP before having to call Microsoft.
>>
>> I really feel that after only activating my copy of XP twice, I have
>> not exceeded the amount of times I can activate XP and that the
>> message i got saying that I had done so, was incorrect and so, I would
>> appreciate some input from Microsoft Windows professionals and would
>> like to know what the total amount of times a customer can activate
>> their copy of XP before having to call the activation line. I do
>> realise that if I change the CPU for example, I would probably get
>> some sort of message from M$ (which I did).
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> The error message you received is misleading. What it really means
> is that you've activated "too many times within the last 120 days."

What it really SHOULD say is, "too many times within the last 120 days
to be able to activate over the internet." and automatically display the
activation phone number.

> I
> think Microsoft should fix this message, but it is, in reality, a
> relatively minor "cosmetic" issue, so they're probably giving more
> weight to some silly cost-benefit analysis more than they are their
> customers' confusion.

It is the opinion of many people that it is by design and intended to
coherce unsuspecting/uninformed customers into buying another license
and there are recent reports here of even the MS activation reps trying
to get legitimate users to buy another license needlessly.

>
> There's no limit to the number of times you can reinstall and
> activate the same WinXP license on the same PC. Nor is there ever a
> charge. Nor does a Product Key (so long as it's not an evaluation
> license) ever expire. If it's been more than 120 days since you last
> activated that specific Product Key, you'll most likely be able to
> activate via the Internet without problem. If it's been less, you
> might have to make a 5 minute phone call.

What about the guy that it took over 3 hours to activate by phone?

Steve

Bruce Chambers
07-09-2005, 11:49 PM
Steve N. wrote:

>>
>>
>> The error message you received is misleading. What it really
>> means is that you've activated "too many times within the last 120 days."
>
>
> What it really SHOULD say is, "too many times within the last 120 days
> to be able to activate over the internet." and automatically display the
> activation phone number.
>


You're correct on this point, and I've amended subsequent posts on the
subject. However, I don't think the routine can accurately display the
activation number until the computer user specifies in what country
he/she's located. There could be a more prominent option to continue on
to telephone activation, though.




>> I think Microsoft should fix this message, but it is, in reality, a
>> relatively minor "cosmetic" issue, so they're probably giving more
>> weight to some silly cost-benefit analysis more than they are their
>> customers' confusion.
>
>
> It is the opinion of many people that it is by design and intended to
> coherce unsuspecting/uninformed customers into buying another license
> and there are recent reports here of even the MS activation reps trying
> to get legitimate users to buy another license needlessly.
>


True, but those most likely are the same people that wear aluminum foil
hats to keep the CIA (and/or aliens) from reading their minds. Not
everything is a conspiracy. I think the explanation is much simpler:
mere human error and sloppiness. This would hardly be the first cryptic
or meaningless error message or dialog box that Microsoft (or other
software manufacturers, for that matter) has let through.


>
>
> What about the guy that it took over 3 hours to activate by phone?
>

Never heard of it, and if it's only one instance out of millions of
calls, it's unfortunate, but hardly noteworthy, otherwise. Except, of
course, to the person involved. From my own experiences, telephone
activation is annoying, but quick and painless.


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Dave
07-09-2005, 11:49 PM
Hi Rock and Steve

Many thanks for your replies.

So what your both saying is that what's happened to me is quite normal and
that I should not get annoyed about it?

With regard to 'activating too many times with the last 120 days', although
I did try to activate within a few days of the second activation last week,
to my way of thinking, activating twice since last October should not be
considered 'too many'.

So if I had to activate again now, I would automatically have to call
Microsoft?

Many thanks

Dave
"Steve N." <me@here.now> wrote in message
news:EQjme.1833$s64.1491@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> Bruce Chambers wrote:
>
>> Dave wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> I have a query with reference to how many times we can activate our copy
>>> of XP before we need to call Microsoft.
>>>
>>> I bought a genuine copy of Windows XP Home Edition (VRMHOEM_EN) last
>>> October 2004 and installed it on my computer. Everything was running
>>> smoothly right up until the present time when I decided to upgrade my
>>> Intel CPU from a 2.40C GHz to a 3.20E GHz and also installed 2 x 512MB
>>> DDR 400 RAM.
>>>
>>> I formatted my computer a couple of days ago and installed a fresh copy
>>> of XP Home and after installation, an automated message appeared on my
>>> computer saying something like, my hardware had changed and that I
>>> needed to verify and activate my copy of XP. I fully realise that
>>> making major hardware changes would probably need me to reactivate XP so
>>> I clicked on the link in the system tray and activated Windows online,
>>> without any problems.
>>>
>>> I then encountered a few niggly problems with the computer and after
>>> sorting them out, I decided a fresh copy of XP would be best so I
>>> reinstalled Windows using my CD. I then clicked on the activation link
>>> and thought that activation would be over in a few minutes but how wrong
>>> I was.
>>>
>>> I got a message say something like, according to Microsoft, you have
>>> exceeded the number of times that you can activate with the key and that
>>> I would need to call Microsoft. So I did so using the number given for
>>> the UK and after trying to explain to the M$ representative (CSR I
>>> think), that having only activated my copy of XP twice since October
>>> 2004, I certainly did not think that I had exceeded the number of times
>>> I could activate Windows, but he was not really interested and after
>>> giving me another set of numbers, my copy of XP was activated.
>>>
>>> He then gave me another number to call, saying that they may be able to
>>> help with my concerns as to how may times we can activate a copy of XP
>>> before having to call Microsoft.
>>>
>>> I really feel that after only activating my copy of XP twice, I have not
>>> exceeded the amount of times I can activate XP and that the message i
>>> got saying that I had done so, was incorrect and so, I would appreciate
>>> some input from Microsoft Windows professionals and would like to know
>>> what the total amount of times a customer can activate their copy of XP
>>> before having to call the activation line. I do realise that if I
>>> change the CPU for example, I would probably get some sort of message
>>> from M$ (which I did).
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> The error message you received is misleading. What it really means
>> is that you've activated "too many times within the last 120 days."
>
> What it really SHOULD say is, "too many times within the last 120 days to
> be able to activate over the internet." and automatically display the
> activation phone number.
>
>> I think Microsoft should fix this message, but it is, in reality, a
>> relatively minor "cosmetic" issue, so they're probably giving more weight
>> to some silly cost-benefit analysis more than they are their customers'
>> confusion.
>
> It is the opinion of many people that it is by design and intended to
> coherce unsuspecting/uninformed customers into buying another license and
> there are recent reports here of even the MS activation reps trying to get
> legitimate users to buy another license needlessly.
>
>>
>> There's no limit to the number of times you can reinstall and
>> activate the same WinXP license on the same PC. Nor is there ever a
>> charge. Nor does a Product Key (so long as it's not an evaluation
>> license) ever expire. If it's been more than 120 days since you last
>> activated that specific Product Key, you'll most likely be able to
>> activate via the Internet without problem. If it's been less, you
>> might have to make a 5 minute phone call.
>
> What about the guy that it took over 3 hours to activate by phone?
>
> Steve
>

Steve N.
07-09-2005, 11:49 PM
Dave wrote:
> Hi Rock and Steve
>
> Many thanks for your replies.
>
> So what your both saying is that what's happened to me is quite normal
> and that I should not get annoyed about it?

It is "normal"? Yes, but it annoys the hell out of everybody that
encounters it.

>
> With regard to 'activating too many times with the last 120 days',
> although I did try to activate within a few days of the second
> activation last week, to my way of thinking, activating twice since last
> October should not be considered 'too many'.

Agreed. Too bad, that's the way it is.

>
> So if I had to activate again now, I would automatically have to call
> Microsoft?

Yep, unless you encounter an anomoly as I have in the activation process
that allows me to activate online anyway. Why I can't tell you, but one
time I re-installed within two weeks, read the "too many times" lie,
decided to deal with it in the morning and the next day it activated
online anyway. Go figure. Activation is obviously flawed.

When/if you do the phone activation do not give them any information
other than you re-installed on the same hardware, your version of XP and
your product key. Don't let them talk you into giving *any* other
information besides that and don't let them coherce you into registering
or validating Windows. All you need is activation, period.

>
> Many thanks

You're welcome.

Steve

>
> Dave
> "Steve N." <me@here.now> wrote in message
> news:EQjme.1833$s64.1491@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
>> Bruce Chambers wrote:
>>
>>> Dave wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> I have a query with reference to how many times we can activate our
>>>> copy of XP before we need to call Microsoft.
>>>>
>>>> I bought a genuine copy of Windows XP Home Edition (VRMHOEM_EN) last
>>>> October 2004 and installed it on my computer. Everything was
>>>> running smoothly right up until the present time when I decided to
>>>> upgrade my Intel CPU from a 2.40C GHz to a 3.20E GHz and also
>>>> installed 2 x 512MB DDR 400 RAM.
>>>>
>>>> I formatted my computer a couple of days ago and installed a fresh
>>>> copy of XP Home and after installation, an automated message
>>>> appeared on my computer saying something like, my hardware had
>>>> changed and that I needed to verify and activate my copy of XP. I
>>>> fully realise that making major hardware changes would probably need
>>>> me to reactivate XP so I clicked on the link in the system tray and
>>>> activated Windows online, without any problems.
>>>>
>>>> I then encountered a few niggly problems with the computer and after
>>>> sorting them out, I decided a fresh copy of XP would be best so I
>>>> reinstalled Windows using my CD. I then clicked on the activation
>>>> link and thought that activation would be over in a few minutes but
>>>> how wrong I was.
>>>>
>>>> I got a message say something like, according to Microsoft, you have
>>>> exceeded the number of times that you can activate with the key and
>>>> that I would need to call Microsoft. So I did so using the number
>>>> given for the UK and after trying to explain to the M$
>>>> representative (CSR I think), that having only activated my copy of
>>>> XP twice since October 2004, I certainly did not think that I had
>>>> exceeded the number of times I could activate Windows, but he was
>>>> not really interested and after giving me another set of numbers,
>>>> my copy of XP was activated.
>>>>
>>>> He then gave me another number to call, saying that they may be able
>>>> to help with my concerns as to how may times we can activate a copy
>>>> of XP before having to call Microsoft.
>>>>
>>>> I really feel that after only activating my copy of XP twice, I have
>>>> not exceeded the amount of times I can activate XP and that the
>>>> message i got saying that I had done so, was incorrect and so, I
>>>> would appreciate some input from Microsoft Windows professionals and
>>>> would like to know what the total amount of times a customer can
>>>> activate their copy of XP before having to call the activation
>>>> line. I do realise that if I change the CPU for example, I would
>>>> probably get some sort of message from M$ (which I did).
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The error message you received is misleading. What it really
>>> means is that you've activated "too many times within the last 120
>>> days."
>>
>>
>> What it really SHOULD say is, "too many times within the last 120 days
>> to be able to activate over the internet." and automatically display
>> the activation phone number.
>>
>>> I think Microsoft should fix this message, but it is, in reality, a
>>> relatively minor "cosmetic" issue, so they're probably giving more
>>> weight to some silly cost-benefit analysis more than they are their
>>> customers' confusion.
>>
>>
>> It is the opinion of many people that it is by design and intended to
>> coherce unsuspecting/uninformed customers into buying another license
>> and there are recent reports here of even the MS activation reps
>> trying to get legitimate users to buy another license needlessly.
>>
>>>
>>> There's no limit to the number of times you can reinstall and
>>> activate the same WinXP license on the same PC. Nor is there ever a
>>> charge. Nor does a Product Key (so long as it's not an evaluation
>>> license) ever expire. If it's been more than 120 days since you last
>>> activated that specific Product Key, you'll most likely be able to
>>> activate via the Internet without problem. If it's been less, you
>>> might have to make a 5 minute phone call.
>>
>>
>> What about the guy that it took over 3 hours to activate by phone?
>>
>> Steve
>>
>

kurttrail
07-09-2005, 11:50 PM
Bruce Chambers wrote:
> Steve N. wrote:
>> What it really SHOULD say is, "too many times within the last 120
>> days to be able to activate over the internet." and automatically
>> display the activation phone number.
>
> You're correct on this point, and I've amended subsequent posts on the
> subject. However, I don't think the routine can accurately display
> the activation number until the computer user specifies in what
> country he/she's located. There could be a more prominent option to
> continue on to telephone activation, though.

I agree with you here.

>> It is the opinion of many people that it is by design and intended to
>> coherce unsuspecting/uninformed customers into buying another license
>> and there are recent reports here of even the MS activation reps
>> trying to get legitimate users to buy another license needlessly.
>
> True, but those most likely are the same people that wear aluminum
> foil hats to keep the CIA (and/or aliens) from reading their minds.
> Not everything is a conspiracy. I think the explanation is much
> simpler: mere human error and sloppiness. This would hardly be the
> first cryptic or meaningless error message or dialog box that
> Microsoft (or other software manufacturers, for that matter) has let
> through.

Actually, it is a matter of common sense. They have been well aware of
how misleading this message is since before XP went gold, and have had 2
service packs since XP went gold to fix it. The only two logical
reasons MS has left it alone is either laziness, or they want to keep it
misleading.

So you would choose laziness. One doesn't need a tin foil hat to choose
to believe that MS hasn't changed it on purpose. It is just as logical
as MS sloppiness.

>> What about the guy that it took over 3 hours to activate by phone?
>>
>
> Never heard of it, and if it's only one instance out of millions of
> calls, it's unfortunate, but hardly noteworthy, otherwise. Except, of
> course, to the person involved. From my own experiences, telephone
> activation is annoying, but quick and painless.

LOL! With Office XP, I was once on the phone for 2 hours myself. And I
have been hung up on by a PA phone rep, and IIRC Michael Stevens also
had that happen to him. You can't just blow off having problems
activating by phone as ONE instance.

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kurttrail
07-09-2005, 11:50 PM
Dave wrote:
> Hi Rock and Steve
>
> Many thanks for your replies.
>
> So what your both saying is that what's happened to me is quite
> normal and that I should not get annoyed about it?

You should be annoyed that MS wants you to prove that you are not a
software pirate, but yes, this is "NORMAL" for the MicroUniverse.

>
> With regard to 'activating too many times with the last 120 days',
> although I did try to activate within a few days of the second
> activation last week, to my way of thinking, activating twice since
> last October should not be considered 'too many'.

It isn't. MS has purposely left this misleading wording of the message.
The problem is, if you didn't change any hardware, or only a couple of
components, you SHOULD have been activated over the Internet. What you
have experienced is NOT the way activation is supposed to work, but
again, that is "NORMAL" for the MicroUniverse!

>
> So if I had to activate again now, I would automatically have to call
> Microsoft?

Only if your change a bunch of hardware, but that doesn't alway work the
way it is supposed to.

For More Activation Info:

http://aumha.org/win5/a/wpa.htm
http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/activation_faq.mspx
http://www.microscum.com/mmpafaq/

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Bruce Chambers
07-09-2005, 11:50 PM
kurttrail wrote:

>
>
> LOL! With Office XP, I was once on the phone for 2 hours myself. And I
> have been hung up on by a PA phone rep,


That doesn't mean much, other than that the phone rep might need a bit
more training. Given your propensity for resorting to name-calling and
insults as soon as someone disagrees with you, or especially when they
point out that you're wrong, I wouldn't be at all surprized if even your
mother hung up on you occasionally.



> You can't just blow off having problems
> activating by phone as ONE instance.
>


Nor did I try to. I said I hadn't heard of that particular case. As
usual, when you've nothing to add, you deliberately take a portion of a
statement out of context, and then argue with the imaginary position of
your own creation. Obviously, there has been more than one person who
has had an activation-related problem. But, out of the hundreds of
millions of WinXP installations, though, the number of these are
statistically insignificant, inconvenient as it undoubtably is for the
ones experiencing the problem.


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kurttrail
07-09-2005, 11:50 PM
Bruce Chambers wrote:
> kurttrail wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> LOL! With Office XP, I was once on the phone for 2 hours myself. And
>> I have been hung up on by a PA phone rep,
>
>
> That doesn't mean much, other than that the phone rep might need a bit
> more training. Given your propensity for resorting to name-calling
> and insults as soon as someone disagrees with you, or especially when
> they point out that you're wrong,

Erroneously. But I am quite capable to hold my tongue, as I did on that
occasion. But again, I'm not the only one that has happened to.

> I wouldn't be at all surprized if
> even your mother hung up on you occasionally.

Actually, sometime I try to get her to hang up on me. ;-)

>> You can't just blow off having problems
>> activating by phone as ONE instance.
>
> Nor did I try to.

LOL! "Never heard of it, and if it's only one instance out of millions
of
calls, it's unfortunate, but hardly noteworthy, otherwise."

Sure sounded that way to me.

> I said I hadn't heard of that particular case. As
> usual, when you've nothing to add, you deliberately take a portion of
> a statement out of context, and then argue with the imaginary
> position of your own creation. Obviously, there has been more than
> one person who has had an activation-related problem. But, out of
> the hundreds of millions of WinXP installations, though, the number
> of these are statistically insignificant, inconvenient as it
> undoubtably is for the ones experiencing the problem.

Really? And EXACTLY what statistics are you basing the insignificance
of PA problems on!

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Stephen
07-09-2005, 11:50 PM
Dave wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> I have a query with reference to how many times we can activate our
>> copy of XP before we need to call Microsoft.
>>
>> I bought a genuine copy of Windows XP Home Edition (VRMHOEM_EN) last
>> October 2004 and installed it on my computer. Everything was
>> running smoothly right up until the present time when I decided to
>> upgrade my Intel CPU from a
>> 2.40C GHz to a 3.20E GHz and also installed 2 x 512MB DDR 400 RAM.
>>
>> I formatted my computer a couple of days ago and installed a fresh
>> copy of XP Home and after installation, an automated message
>> appeared on my computer saying something like, my hardware had
>> changed and that I needed to verify and activate my copy of XP. I
>> fully realise that making major hardware changes would probably need
>> me to reactivate XP so I clicked on the link in the system tray and
>> activated Windows online, without any problems.
>>
>> I then encountered a few niggly problems with the computer and after
>> sorting them out, I decided a fresh copy of XP would be best so I
>> reinstalled Windows using my CD. I then clicked on the activation
>> link and thought that activation would be over in a few minutes but
>> how wrong I was.
>>
>> I got a message say something like, according to Microsoft, you have
>> exceeded the number of times that you can activate with the key and
>> that I would need to call Microsoft. So I did so using the number
>> given for the UK and after trying to explain to the M$
>> representative (CSR I think), that having only activated my copy of
>> XP twice since October 2004, I certainly did not think that I had
>> exceeded the number of times I could activate Windows, but he was
>> not really interested and after giving me another set of numbers,
>> my copy of XP was activated.
>>
>> He then gave me another number to call, saying that they may be able
>> to help with my concerns as to how may times we can activate a copy
>> of XP before having to call Microsoft.
>>
>> I really feel that after only activating my copy of XP twice, I have
>> not exceeded the amount of times I can activate XP and that the
>> message i got saying that I had done so, was incorrect and so, I
>> would appreciate some input from Microsoft Windows professionals and
>> would like to know what the total amount of times a customer can
>> activate their copy of XP before having to call the activation line.
>> I do realise that if I change the CPU for example, I would probably
>> get some sort of message from M$ (which I did).
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Dave

How old is that copy of WinXP Home?

Dave
07-09-2005, 11:50 PM
Hi Stephen

You asked: "How old is that copy of WinXP Home"?

To be honest, I don't really see that should matter but to answer your
question, I bought the Windows XP Home with SP2 included, last October 2004.

Regards

Dave

"Stephen" <stephen@online.nospam> wrote in message
news:%23OP59YIZFHA.2756@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Dave wrote:
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> I have a query with reference to how many times we can activate our
>>> copy of XP before we need to call Microsoft.
>>>
>>> I bought a genuine copy of Windows XP Home Edition (VRMHOEM_EN) last
>>> October 2004 and installed it on my computer. Everything was
>>> running smoothly right up until the present time when I decided to
>>> upgrade my Intel CPU from a
>>> 2.40C GHz to a 3.20E GHz and also installed 2 x 512MB DDR 400 RAM.
>>>
>>> I formatted my computer a couple of days ago and installed a fresh
>>> copy of XP Home and after installation, an automated message
>>> appeared on my computer saying something like, my hardware had
>>> changed and that I needed to verify and activate my copy of XP. I
>>> fully realise that making major hardware changes would probably need
>>> me to reactivate XP so I clicked on the link in the system tray and
>>> activated Windows online, without any problems.
>>>
>>> I then encountered a few niggly problems with the computer and after
>>> sorting them out, I decided a fresh copy of XP would be best so I
>>> reinstalled Windows using my CD. I then clicked on the activation
>>> link and thought that activation would be over in a few minutes but
>>> how wrong I was.
>>>
>>> I got a message say something like, according to Microsoft, you have
>>> exceeded the number of times that you can activate with the key and
>>> that I would need to call Microsoft. So I did so using the number
>>> given for the UK and after trying to explain to the M$
>>> representative (CSR I think), that having only activated my copy of
>>> XP twice since October 2004, I certainly did not think that I had
>>> exceeded the number of times I could activate Windows, but he was
>>> not really interested and after giving me another set of numbers,
>>> my copy of XP was activated.
>>>
>>> He then gave me another number to call, saying that they may be able
>>> to help with my concerns as to how may times we can activate a copy
>>> of XP before having to call Microsoft.
>>>
>>> I really feel that after only activating my copy of XP twice, I have
>>> not exceeded the amount of times I can activate XP and that the
>>> message i got saying that I had done so, was incorrect and so, I
>>> would appreciate some input from Microsoft Windows professionals and
>>> would like to know what the total amount of times a customer can
>>> activate their copy of XP before having to call the activation line.
>>> I do realise that if I change the CPU for example, I would probably
>>> get some sort of message from M$ (which I did).
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Dave
>
> How old is that copy of WinXP Home?
>
>

Stephen
07-09-2005, 11:50 PM
Dave wrote:
>> Hi Stephen
>>
>> You asked: "How old is that copy of WinXP Home"?
>>
>> To be honest, I don't really see that should matter but to answer
>> your question, I bought the Windows XP Home with SP2 included, last
>> October 2004.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> "Stephen" <stephen@online.nospam> wrote in message
>> news:%23OP59YIZFHA.2756@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>> Dave wrote:
>>>>> Hi
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a query with reference to how many times we can activate
>>>>> our copy of XP before we need to call Microsoft.
>>>>>
>>>>> I bought a genuine copy of Windows XP Home Edition (VRMHOEM_EN)
>>>>> last October 2004 and installed it on my computer. Everything was
>>>>> running smoothly right up until the present time when I decided to
>>>>> upgrade my Intel CPU from a
>>>>> 2.40C GHz to a 3.20E GHz and also installed 2 x 512MB DDR 400 RAM.
>>>>>
>>>>> I formatted my computer a couple of days ago and installed a fresh
>>>>> copy of XP Home and after installation, an automated message
>>>>> appeared on my computer saying something like, my hardware had
>>>>> changed and that I needed to verify and activate my copy of XP. I
>>>>> fully realise that making major hardware changes would probably
>>>>> need me to reactivate XP so I clicked on the link in the system
>>>>> tray and activated Windows online, without any problems.
>>>>>
>>>>> I then encountered a few niggly problems with the computer and
>>>>> after sorting them out, I decided a fresh copy of XP would be
>>>>> best so I reinstalled Windows using my CD. I then clicked on the
>>>>> activation link and thought that activation would be over in a
>>>>> few minutes but how wrong I was.
>>>>>
>>>>> I got a message say something like, according to Microsoft, you
>>>>> have exceeded the number of times that you can activate with the
>>>>> key and that I would need to call Microsoft. So I did so using
>>>>> the number given for the UK and after trying to explain to the M$
>>>>> representative (CSR I think), that having only activated my copy
>>>>> of XP twice since October 2004, I certainly did not think that I
>>>>> had exceeded the number of times I could activate Windows, but he
>>>>> was not really interested and after giving me another set of
>>>>> numbers, my copy of XP was activated.
>>>>>
>>>>> He then gave me another number to call, saying that they may be
>>>>> able to help with my concerns as to how may times we can activate
>>>>> a copy of XP before having to call Microsoft.
>>>>>
>>>>> I really feel that after only activating my copy of XP twice, I
>>>>> have not exceeded the amount of times I can activate XP and that
>>>>> the message i got saying that I had done so, was incorrect and
>>>>> so, I would appreciate some input from Microsoft Windows
>>>>> professionals and would like to know what the total amount of
>>>>> times a customer can activate their copy of XP before having to
>>>>> call the activation line. I do realise that if I change the CPU
>>>>> for example, I would probably get some sort of message from M$
>>>>> (which I did).
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>
>>> How old is that copy of WinXP Home?

I guess it doesn't. I had a similar problem but it was with a copy of WinXP
Home Upgrade original - no SP1 nor SP2.

Rock
07-09-2005, 11:50 PM
Dave wrote:

Answers in line:

> Hi Rock and Steve
>
> Many thanks for your replies.
>
> So what your both saying is that what's happened to me is quite normal
> and that I should not get annoyed about it?

I can't speak for Steve, but I didn't say that. I explained how the
process works. Whether you are annoyed by it or consider it normal is
up to you.

>
> With regard to 'activating too many times with the last 120 days',
> although I did try to activate within a few days of the second
> activation last week, to my way of thinking, activating twice since last
> October should not be considered 'too many'.

As I and many others have stated in this thread that message is
misleading. To repeat one more time - that message comes up when
activating less than 120 days from the last time. The online database
is purged after 120 days. It does not really mean it's been activated
too many times in an absolute sense.

> So if I had to activate again now, I would automatically have to call
> Microsoft?

Uhh..if less than 120 days yes, normally speaking.

>
> Many thanks
>
> Dave

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kurttrail
07-09-2005, 11:51 PM
Rock wrote:
> Dave wrote:
>
> Answers in line:
>
>> Hi Rock and Steve
>>
>> Many thanks for your replies.
>>
>> So what your both saying is that what's happened to me is quite
>> normal and that I should not get annoyed about it?
>
> I can't speak for Steve, but I didn't say that. I explained how the
> process works. Whether you are annoyed by it or consider it normal is
> up to you.

LOL! Nice evasion Rock! How about giving how YOU feel about the
normality and the annoyance factor of the OPs situation, as a fellow
human being.

>
>>
>> With regard to 'activating too many times with the last 120 days',
>> although I did try to activate within a few days of the second
>> activation last week, to my way of thinking, activating twice since
>> last October should not be considered 'too many'.
>
> As I and many others have stated in this thread that message is
> misleading. To repeat one more time - that message comes up when
> activating less than 120 days from the last time. The online database
> is purged after 120 days. It does not really mean it's been activated
> too many times in an absolute sense.
>
>> So if I had to activate again now, I would automatically have to call
>> Microsoft?
>
> Uhh..if less than 120 days yes, normally speaking.

Actually, he shouldn't have had to "PHONE," for activation unless his
hardware was substantially changed. There is something freaky going on
in this thread. Either the OP has changed the requisite amount of
hardware since his previous activation, or PA has gotten a mind of its
own. The 120 day rule is how often you can install XP on substantially
different hardware without having to Phone MS for activation. If XP
hasn't been substantially changed, then Activation should go smoothly
over the internet, no matter is it was less the 120 days.
1.. RAM Amount Range (i.e., 0-64mb, 64-128mb, etc.)
2.. Processor Type
3.. Processor Serial Number
http://aumha.org/win5/a/wpa.htm

Not enough votes to require phone activation on substantially different
hardware.

"I bought a genuine copy of Windows XP Home Edition (VRMHOEM_EN) last
October
2004 and installed it on my computer. Everything was running smoothly
right
up until the present time when I decided to upgrade my Intel CPU from a
2.40C GHz to a 3.20E GHz and also installed 2 x 512MB DDR 400 RAM."

"I formatted my computer a couple of days ago and installed a fresh copy
of
XP Home and after installation, an automated message appeared on my
computer
saying something like, my hardware had changed and that I needed to
verify
and activate my copy of XP. I fully realise that making major hardware
changes would probably need me to reactivate XP so I clicked on the link
in
the system tray and activated Windows online, without any problems."

So the OP formatted and reactivated over the internet with no problem.

"I then encountered a few niggly problems with the computer and after
sorting
them out, I decided a fresh copy of XP would be best so I reinstalled
Windows using my CD. I then clicked on the activation link and thought
that
activation would be over in a few minutes but how wrong I was."

The only reason the OP should have been forced to phone activate is if
he changed another hardware component between the first reinstall and
the second reinstall a couple of days later. Which could be the case
BUT the OP doesn't mention any hardware change between the two
reinstalls.

But now, if the OP needs to reinstall XP he SHOULD be able to activate
over the internet unless he does more hardware changes, as long as
everything is working right in PAland.

Confused? I must admit, I am a little, and I'm the one explaining it!
And yet MS expects the AVERAGE computer user to know and understand all
the nuances of their PA policies! How unrealistic is that? And the OP
has shown that he has more knowledge about computing that the average
consumer in that he was able to upgrade his processor and RAM!

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Dave
07-09-2005, 11:51 PM
Hi to everyone who contributed towards this thread.

Kurttrail: Your right, I did not change any hardware between the two
installs which were around two to three days apart, so I agree that I should
have been able to activate online without problems, but that was not the
case.

Anyway, everything is running well at the moment and I don't envisage having
to re-install anytime soon so, once again, many thanks to everyone who
commented on my problems with activation.

Best regards

Dave
"Stephen" <stephen@online.nospam> wrote in message
news:%23OP59YIZFHA.2756@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Dave wrote:
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> I have a query with reference to how many times we can activate our
>>> copy of XP before we need to call Microsoft.
>>>
>>> I bought a genuine copy of Windows XP Home Edition (VRMHOEM_EN) last
>>> October 2004 and installed it on my computer. Everything was
>>> running smoothly right up until the present time when I decided to
>>> upgrade my Intel CPU from a
>>> 2.40C GHz to a 3.20E GHz and also installed 2 x 512MB DDR 400 RAM.
>>>
>>> I formatted my computer a couple of days ago and installed a fresh
>>> copy of XP Home and after installation, an automated message
>>> appeared on my computer saying something like, my hardware had
>>> changed and that I needed to verify and activate my copy of XP. I
>>> fully realise that making major hardware changes would probably need
>>> me to reactivate XP so I clicked on the link in the system tray and
>>> activated Windows online, without any problems.
>>>
>>> I then encountered a few niggly problems with the computer and after
>>> sorting them out, I decided a fresh copy of XP would be best so I
>>> reinstalled Windows using my CD. I then clicked on the activation
>>> link and thought that activation would be over in a few minutes but
>>> how wrong I was.
>>>
>>> I got a message say something like, according to Microsoft, you have
>>> exceeded the number of times that you can activate with the key and
>>> that I would need to call Microsoft. So I did so using the number
>>> given for the UK and after trying to explain to the M$
>>> representative (CSR I think), that having only activated my copy of
>>> XP twice since October 2004, I certainly did not think that I had
>>> exceeded the number of times I could activate Windows, but he was
>>> not really interested and after giving me another set of numbers,
>>> my copy of XP was activated.
>>>
>>> He then gave me another number to call, saying that they may be able
>>> to help with my concerns as to how may times we can activate a copy
>>> of XP before having to call Microsoft.
>>>
>>> I really feel that after only activating my copy of XP twice, I have
>>> not exceeded the amount of times I can activate XP and that the
>>> message i got saying that I had done so, was incorrect and so, I
>>> would appreciate some input from Microsoft Windows professionals and
>>> would like to know what the total amount of times a customer can
>>> activate their copy of XP before having to call the activation line.
>>> I do realise that if I change the CPU for example, I would probably
>>> get some sort of message from M$ (which I did).
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Dave
>
> How old is that copy of WinXP Home?
>
>

Rock
07-09-2005, 11:52 PM
kurttrail wrote:

Inline responses:


> LOL! Nice evasion Rock! How about giving how YOU feel about the
> normality and the annoyance factor of the OPs situation, as a fellow
> human being.
>

Aye there's the rub. I'm a fellow rock..it's hard to say what a rock
feels since they tend to keep that tightly bottled up. ;-)

>
>>>With regard to 'activating too many times with the last 120 days',
>>>although I did try to activate within a few days of the second
>>>activation last week, to my way of thinking, activating twice since
>>>last October should not be considered 'too many'.
>>
>>As I and many others have stated in this thread that message is
>>misleading. To repeat one more time - that message comes up when
>>activating less than 120 days from the last time. The online database
>>is purged after 120 days. It does not really mean it's been activated
>>too many times in an absolute sense.
>>
>>
>>>So if I had to activate again now, I would automatically have to call
>>>Microsoft?
>>
>>Uhh..if less than 120 days yes, normally speaking.
>
>
> Actually, he shouldn't have had to "PHONE," for activation unless his
> hardware was substantially changed. There is something freaky going on
> in this thread. Either the OP has changed the requisite amount of
> hardware since his previous activation, or PA has gotten a mind of its
> own. The 120 day rule is how often you can install XP on substantially
> different hardware without having to Phone MS for activation. If XP
> hasn't been substantially changed, then Activation should go smoothly
> over the internet, no matter is it was less the 120 days.
> 1.. RAM Amount Range (i.e., 0-64mb, 64-128mb, etc.)
> 2.. Processor Type
> 3.. Processor Serial Number
> http://aumha.org/win5/a/wpa.htm
>
> Not enough votes to require phone activation on substantially different
> hardware.
>
> "I bought a genuine copy of Windows XP Home Edition (VRMHOEM_EN) last
> October
> 2004 and installed it on my computer. Everything was running smoothly
> right
> up until the present time when I decided to upgrade my Intel CPU from a
> 2.40C GHz to a 3.20E GHz and also installed 2 x 512MB DDR 400 RAM."
>
> "I formatted my computer a couple of days ago and installed a fresh copy
> of
> XP Home and after installation, an automated message appeared on my
> computer
> saying something like, my hardware had changed and that I needed to
> verify
> and activate my copy of XP. I fully realise that making major hardware
> changes would probably need me to reactivate XP so I clicked on the link
> in
> the system tray and activated Windows online, without any problems."
>
> So the OP formatted and reactivated over the internet with no problem.
>
> "I then encountered a few niggly problems with the computer and after
> sorting
> them out, I decided a fresh copy of XP would be best so I reinstalled
> Windows using my CD. I then clicked on the activation link and thought
> that
> activation would be over in a few minutes but how wrong I was."
>
> The only reason the OP should have been forced to phone activate is if
> he changed another hardware component between the first reinstall and
> the second reinstall a couple of days later. Which could be the case
> BUT the OP doesn't mention any hardware change between the two
> reinstalls.
>
> But now, if the OP needs to reinstall XP he SHOULD be able to activate
> over the internet unless he does more hardware changes, as long as
> everything is working right in PAland.
>
> Confused? I must admit, I am a little, and I'm the one explaining it!
> And yet MS expects the AVERAGE computer user to know and understand all
> the nuances of their PA policies! How unrealistic is that? And the OP
> has shown that he has more knowledge about computing that the average
> consumer in that he was able to upgrade his processor and RAM!

Actually it is a bit confusing and clearly I was confused about the 120
day issue - since it shouldn't have been triggered without a change in
hardware. Can't say I would want to go through the trouble he did to
get things activated.


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