Microsoft Sucks!



ApplesRAwesome
07-10-2005, 12:36 AM
Microsoft Sucks!

I have used every Windows OS ever made, I Have used Mac OS X, and I have
experimented with Linux. I can say, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Microsoft
Sucks!

Not to mention that the original Windows Operating System was nearly a clone
of the first Mac OS. Bill Gates didn't even write DOS for crying out loud, he
bought it from someone else, and relicensed it.

Bill Gates is nothing more than an intelligent businessman, but Apple
Computers are increasing in popularity and if Microsoft doesn't stop sucking
some time soon, they will be beaten in the end.

Richard Urban
07-10-2005, 12:36 AM
<Bill Gates is nothing more than an intelligent businessman>


NO! He's an intelligent RICH business man who took your money!

--
Regards,

Richard Urban

aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)

If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!


"ApplesRAwesome" <ApplesRAwesome@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1C01A207-DBC0-4AE9-910B-C1329F02161B@microsoft.com...
> Microsoft Sucks!
>
> I have used every Windows OS ever made, I Have used Mac OS X, and I have
> experimented with Linux. I can say, beyond a reasonable doubt, that
> Microsoft
> Sucks!
>
> Not to mention that the original Windows Operating System was nearly a
> clone
> of the first Mac OS. Bill Gates didn't even write DOS for crying out loud,
> he
> bought it from someone else, and relicensed it.
>
> Bill Gates is nothing more than an intelligent businessman, but Apple
> Computers are increasing in popularity and if Microsoft doesn't stop
> sucking
> some time soon, they will be beaten in the end.

Jupiter Jones [MVP]
07-10-2005, 12:36 AM
You are welcome to troll elsewhere.
You might also want to try a different OS, one that supports newsreaders or
at least one you can learn to use a newsreader with.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol
http://www.dts-l.org


"ApplesRAwesome" <ApplesRAwesome@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1C01A207-DBC0-4AE9-910B-C1329F02161B@microsoft.com...
> Microsoft Sucks!
>
> I have used every Windows OS ever made, I Have used Mac OS X, and I have
> experimented with Linux. I can say, beyond a reasonable doubt, that
> Microsoft
> Sucks!
>
> Not to mention that the original Windows Operating System was nearly a
> clone
> of the first Mac OS. Bill Gates didn't even write DOS for crying out loud,
> he
> bought it from someone else, and relicensed it.
>
> Bill Gates is nothing more than an intelligent businessman, but Apple
> Computers are increasing in popularity and if Microsoft doesn't stop
> sucking
> some time soon, they will be beaten in the end.

ApplesRAwesome
07-10-2005, 12:36 AM
"Richard Urban" wrote:

> <Bill Gates is nothing more than an intelligent businessman>
>
>
> NO! He's an intelligent RICH business man who took your money!
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Richard Urban
>
> aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
>
> If you knew as much as you think you know,
> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>
>
> "ApplesRAwesome" <ApplesRAwesome@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:1C01A207-DBC0-4AE9-910B-C1329F02161B@microsoft.com...
> > Microsoft Sucks!
> >
> > I have used every Windows OS ever made, I Have used Mac OS X, and I have
> > experimented with Linux. I can say, beyond a reasonable doubt, that
> > Microsoft
> > Sucks!
> >
> > Not to mention that the original Windows Operating System was nearly a
> > clone
> > of the first Mac OS. Bill Gates didn't even write DOS for crying out loud,
> > he
> > bought it from someone else, and relicensed it.
> >
> > Bill Gates is nothing more than an intelligent businessman, but Apple
> > Computers are increasing in popularity and if Microsoft doesn't stop
> > sucking
> > some time soon, they will be beaten in the end.
>
>
>
He didn't take my money, I bought a Mac from eBay. Funny thing is, it's 5-6
years old, and runs the latest software. Show me a 5-year-old PC and you have
a paperweight.

Also, have you used Mac or Linux, how do you know that Microsoft doesn't
suck if you don't know what else is out there?

Richard Urban
07-10-2005, 12:36 AM
When you said that you used every Windows operating system ever made I
wasn't aware that you stole them!

--
Regards,

Richard Urban

aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)

If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!


"ApplesRAwesome" <ApplesRAwesome@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:0AB10B5F-73BA-4257-BCC6-1E63C049B120@microsoft.com...
>
>
> "Richard Urban" wrote:
>
>> <Bill Gates is nothing more than an intelligent businessman>
>>
>>
>> NO! He's an intelligent RICH business man who took your money!
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>>
>> Richard Urban
>>
>> aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
>>
>> If you knew as much as you think you know,
>> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>>
>>
>> "ApplesRAwesome" <ApplesRAwesome@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>> message
>> news:1C01A207-DBC0-4AE9-910B-C1329F02161B@microsoft.com...
>> > Microsoft Sucks!
>> >
>> > I have used every Windows OS ever made, I Have used Mac OS X, and I
>> > have
>> > experimented with Linux. I can say, beyond a reasonable doubt, that
>> > Microsoft
>> > Sucks!
>> >
>> > Not to mention that the original Windows Operating System was nearly a
>> > clone
>> > of the first Mac OS. Bill Gates didn't even write DOS for crying out
>> > loud,
>> > he
>> > bought it from someone else, and relicensed it.
>> >
>> > Bill Gates is nothing more than an intelligent businessman, but Apple
>> > Computers are increasing in popularity and if Microsoft doesn't stop
>> > sucking
>> > some time soon, they will be beaten in the end.
>>
>>
>>
> He didn't take my money, I bought a Mac from eBay. Funny thing is, it's
> 5-6
> years old, and runs the latest software. Show me a 5-year-old PC and you
> have
> a paperweight.
>
> Also, have you used Mac or Linux, how do you know that Microsoft doesn't
> suck if you don't know what else is out there?

Sleepless in Seattle
07-10-2005, 12:36 AM
I'm running XP Pro SP2/2K Advanced Server/Fedora Core 3 on a Asus A7V
motherboard/750 MHz Duron/384 MB RAM no problem. I haven't added anything
apart from a USB 2.0 card since building it in 2001.

I run NT 4/2k Advanced Server/2K Pro on a Pentium II 233/256 MB RAM from1997
no problem. I also run similar on a Celeron 433/320 MB from 2000.

--
Jonah
"ApplesRAwesome" <ApplesRAwesome@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:0AB10B5F-73BA-4257-BCC6-1E63C049B120@microsoft.com...
>
>
> "Richard Urban" wrote:
>
>> <Bill Gates is nothing more than an intelligent businessman>
>>
>>
>> NO! He's an intelligent RICH business man who took your money!
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>>
>> Richard Urban
>>
>> aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
>>
>> If you knew as much as you think you know,
>> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>>
>>
>> "ApplesRAwesome" <ApplesRAwesome@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>> message
>> news:1C01A207-DBC0-4AE9-910B-C1329F02161B@microsoft.com...
>> > Microsoft Sucks!
>> >
>> > I have used every Windows OS ever made, I Have used Mac OS X, and I
>> > have
>> > experimented with Linux. I can say, beyond a reasonable doubt, that
>> > Microsoft
>> > Sucks!
>> >
>> > Not to mention that the original Windows Operating System was nearly a
>> > clone
>> > of the first Mac OS. Bill Gates didn't even write DOS for crying out
>> > loud,
>> > he
>> > bought it from someone else, and relicensed it.
>> >
>> > Bill Gates is nothing more than an intelligent businessman, but Apple
>> > Computers are increasing in popularity and if Microsoft doesn't stop
>> > sucking
>> > some time soon, they will be beaten in the end.
>>
>>
>>
> He didn't take my money, I bought a Mac from eBay. Funny thing is, it's
> 5-6
> years old, and runs the latest software. Show me a 5-year-old PC and you
> have
> a paperweight.
>
> Also, have you used Mac or Linux, how do you know that Microsoft doesn't
> suck if you don't know what else is out there?

ApplesRAwesome
07-10-2005, 12:36 AM
No, actually I've been using legal versions.

As a child I had 3.1-3.11, then 95, and now XP. School computers have been
running 2000 and NT, and my brother has had 98 and ME on his laptops.

Also, I don't see you defending the accusations I've been making, only
falsly accusing me.

"Richard Urban" wrote:

> When you said that you used every Windows operating system ever made I
> wasn't aware that you stole them!
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Richard Urban
>
> aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
>
> If you knew as much as you think you know,
> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>
>
> "ApplesRAwesome" <ApplesRAwesome@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:0AB10B5F-73BA-4257-BCC6-1E63C049B120@microsoft.com...
> >
> >
> > "Richard Urban" wrote:
> >
> >> <Bill Gates is nothing more than an intelligent businessman>
> >>
> >>
> >> NO! He's an intelligent RICH business man who took your money!
> >>
> >> --
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Richard Urban
> >>
> >> aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
> >>
> >> If you knew as much as you think you know,
> >> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
> >>
> >>
> >> "ApplesRAwesome" <ApplesRAwesome@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> >> message
> >> news:1C01A207-DBC0-4AE9-910B-C1329F02161B@microsoft.com...
> >> > Microsoft Sucks!
> >> >
> >> > I have used every Windows OS ever made, I Have used Mac OS X, and I
> >> > have
> >> > experimented with Linux. I can say, beyond a reasonable doubt, that
> >> > Microsoft
> >> > Sucks!
> >> >
> >> > Not to mention that the original Windows Operating System was nearly a
> >> > clone
> >> > of the first Mac OS. Bill Gates didn't even write DOS for crying out
> >> > loud,
> >> > he
> >> > bought it from someone else, and relicensed it.
> >> >
> >> > Bill Gates is nothing more than an intelligent businessman, but Apple
> >> > Computers are increasing in popularity and if Microsoft doesn't stop
> >> > sucking
> >> > some time soon, they will be beaten in the end.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > He didn't take my money, I bought a Mac from eBay. Funny thing is, it's
> > 5-6
> > years old, and runs the latest software. Show me a 5-year-old PC and you
> > have
> > a paperweight.
> >
> > Also, have you used Mac or Linux, how do you know that Microsoft doesn't
> > suck if you don't know what else is out there?
>
>
>

Don Schmidt
07-10-2005, 12:36 AM
I wouldn't be to sure about Mac. They just replaced all the Apple stuff at
my daughter's middle school with Windows OS.

BTW my ASUS TUSL2-C shop built is over 5 years old and purring right along
on Windows XP. Three SCSI 10K rpm hard drives trowel the data around pretty
good.


--
Don
"Some mornings it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps."



"ApplesRAwesome" <ApplesRAwesome@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:0AB10B5F-73BA-4257-BCC6-1E63C049B120@microsoft.com...
>
>
> "Richard Urban" wrote:
>
>> <Bill Gates is nothing more than an intelligent businessman>
>>
>>
>> NO! He's an intelligent RICH business man who took your money!
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>>
>> Richard Urban
>>
>> aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
>>
>> If you knew as much as you think you know,
>> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>>
>>
>> "ApplesRAwesome" <ApplesRAwesome@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>> message
>> news:1C01A207-DBC0-4AE9-910B-C1329F02161B@microsoft.com...
>> > Microsoft Sucks!
>> >
>> > I have used every Windows OS ever made, I Have used Mac OS X, and I
>> > have
>> > experimented with Linux. I can say, beyond a reasonable doubt, that
>> > Microsoft
>> > Sucks!
>> >
>> > Not to mention that the original Windows Operating System was nearly a
>> > clone
>> > of the first Mac OS. Bill Gates didn't even write DOS for crying out
>> > loud,
>> > he
>> > bought it from someone else, and relicensed it.
>> >
>> > Bill Gates is nothing more than an intelligent businessman, but Apple
>> > Computers are increasing in popularity and if Microsoft doesn't stop
>> > sucking
>> > some time soon, they will be beaten in the end.
>>
>>
>>
> He didn't take my money, I bought a Mac from eBay. Funny thing is, it's
> 5-6
> years old, and runs the latest software. Show me a 5-year-old PC and you
> have
> a paperweight.
>
> Also, have you used Mac or Linux, how do you know that Microsoft doesn't
> suck if you don't know what else is out there?

ApplesRAwesome
07-10-2005, 12:36 AM
How old were those Apple Computers at your daughter's school?

Schools replace computer systems by what's cheapest, not what's best to use.

"Don Schmidt" wrote:

> I wouldn't be to sure about Mac. They just replaced all the Apple stuff at
> my daughter's middle school with Windows OS.
>
> BTW my ASUS TUSL2-C shop built is over 5 years old and purring right along
> on Windows XP. Three SCSI 10K rpm hard drives trowel the data around pretty
> good.
>
>
> --
> Don
> "Some mornings it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps."
>
>
>
> "ApplesRAwesome" <ApplesRAwesome@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:0AB10B5F-73BA-4257-BCC6-1E63C049B120@microsoft.com...
> >
> >
> > "Richard Urban" wrote:
> >
> >> <Bill Gates is nothing more than an intelligent businessman>
> >>
> >>
> >> NO! He's an intelligent RICH business man who took your money!
> >>
> >> --
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Richard Urban
> >>
> >> aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
> >>
> >> If you knew as much as you think you know,
> >> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
> >>
> >>
> >> "ApplesRAwesome" <ApplesRAwesome@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> >> message
> >> news:1C01A207-DBC0-4AE9-910B-C1329F02161B@microsoft.com...
> >> > Microsoft Sucks!
> >> >
> >> > I have used every Windows OS ever made, I Have used Mac OS X, and I
> >> > have
> >> > experimented with Linux. I can say, beyond a reasonable doubt, that
> >> > Microsoft
> >> > Sucks!
> >> >
> >> > Not to mention that the original Windows Operating System was nearly a
> >> > clone
> >> > of the first Mac OS. Bill Gates didn't even write DOS for crying out
> >> > loud,
> >> > he
> >> > bought it from someone else, and relicensed it.
> >> >
> >> > Bill Gates is nothing more than an intelligent businessman, but Apple
> >> > Computers are increasing in popularity and if Microsoft doesn't stop
> >> > sucking
> >> > some time soon, they will be beaten in the end.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > He didn't take my money, I bought a Mac from eBay. Funny thing is, it's
> > 5-6
> > years old, and runs the latest software. Show me a 5-year-old PC and you
> > have
> > a paperweight.
> >
> > Also, have you used Mac or Linux, how do you know that Microsoft doesn't
> > suck if you don't know what else is out there?
>
>
>

Jupiter Jones [MVP]
07-10-2005, 12:36 AM
You did not really say anything to defend.
"Microsoft Sucks!" is not an intelligent comment, it is your opinion you are
free to have.

As for "Show me a 5-year-old PC and you have a paperweight"
You show much of your ignorance here.
I have a computer nearly 6 years old running Windows XP well.
Your experiences seem far to narrow for you to judge anything.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol
http://www.dts-l.org


"ApplesRAwesome" <ApplesRAwesome@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:BF8FB2F4-76CF-4A20-AA4E-DD5B2D79CE47@microsoft.com...
> No, actually I've been using legal versions.
>
> As a child I had 3.1-3.11, then 95, and now XP. School computers have been
> running 2000 and NT, and my brother has had 98 and ME on his laptops.
>
> Also, I don't see you defending the accusations I've been making, only
> falsly accusing me.

Jupiter Jones [MVP]
07-10-2005, 12:36 AM
Can you prove that statement?
What is your source?
What specific information do you have about the school Don refers?

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol
http://www.dts-l.org


"ApplesRAwesome" <ApplesRAwesome@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:EFB52BFE-922A-4FD9-91E7-751BD74F38DE@microsoft.com...
> How old were those Apple Computers at your daughter's school?
>
> Schools replace computer systems by what's cheapest, not what's best to
> use.

ApplesRAwesome
07-10-2005, 12:36 AM
Oh, I'm trolling am I?

Do you even know why I'm here?

I didn't just arbitrarily decide to come in here and raise a fuss. I came in
here after spending long hours trying to resurrect my friend's PC and
failing. I was very angry so I started this post.

ApplesRAwesome
07-10-2005, 12:36 AM
First of all, the title "Microsoft Sucks!" is not an intelligent comment,
however, it demands attention. I wanted attention, so I had to come up with a
title that would get it.

Second of all, My computer was manufactured in 1999 with a 350MHz processor.
I have not yet upgraded it but it can be done. I have friends who have older
systems and are still running well.

Would you care to explain to me how it is able to run the latest software on
little hardware while my newer Windows PC, with a 1.3GHz processor is
struggling with XP and never ceases to enrage me for some stupid little
reason.

Nothing in this world is without flaw. Microsoft, however, is more flawed
than most alternatives.

And XP is not really a new Operating System. Windows has barely changed over
the years. Even one of the screensavers I have on XP has been on Windows
Operating Systems since 3.1 and possibly earlier.

Apple Computer actually improves upon their technology with every OS
release. Microsofts OSes simply crave more system resources and look prettier
with each new release.

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:

> You did not really say anything to defend.
> "Microsoft Sucks!" is not an intelligent comment, it is your opinion you are
> free to have.
>
> As for "Show me a 5-year-old PC and you have a paperweight"
> You show much of your ignorance here.
> I have a computer nearly 6 years old running Windows XP well.
> Your experiences seem far to narrow for you to judge anything.
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
> In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol
> http://www.dts-l.org
>
>
> "ApplesRAwesome" <ApplesRAwesome@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:BF8FB2F4-76CF-4A20-AA4E-DD5B2D79CE47@microsoft.com...
> > No, actually I've been using legal versions.
> >
> > As a child I had 3.1-3.11, then 95, and now XP. School computers have been
> > running 2000 and NT, and my brother has had 98 and ME on his laptops.
> >
> > Also, I don't see you defending the accusations I've been making, only
> > falsly accusing me.
>
>
>

Richard Urban
07-10-2005, 12:36 AM
Then he took your money. You can't have it both ways bub! You helped make
him rich. If he didn't take your money, you stole them! Take your pick - or
think fast and come up with another one!

--
Regards,

Richard Urban

aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)

If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!


"ApplesRAwesome" <ApplesRAwesome@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:BF8FB2F4-76CF-4A20-AA4E-DD5B2D79CE47@microsoft.com...
> No, actually I've been using legal versions.
>
> As a child I had 3.1-3.11, then 95, and now XP. School computers have been
> running 2000 and NT, and my brother has had 98 and ME on his laptops.
>
> Also, I don't see you defending the accusations I've been making, only
> falsly accusing me.
>
> "Richard Urban" wrote:
>
>> When you said that you used every Windows operating system ever made I
>> wasn't aware that you stole them!
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>>
>> Richard Urban
>>
>> aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
>>
>> If you knew as much as you think you know,
>> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>>
>>
>> "ApplesRAwesome" <ApplesRAwesome@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>> message
>> news:0AB10B5F-73BA-4257-BCC6-1E63C049B120@microsoft.com...
>> >
>> >
>> > "Richard Urban" wrote:
>> >
>> >> <Bill Gates is nothing more than an intelligent businessman>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> NO! He's an intelligent RICH business man who took your money!
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Regards,
>> >>
>> >> Richard Urban
>> >>
>> >> aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
>> >>
>> >> If you knew as much as you think you know,
>> >> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "ApplesRAwesome" <ApplesRAwesome@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>> >> message
>> >> news:1C01A207-DBC0-4AE9-910B-C1329F02161B@microsoft.com...
>> >> > Microsoft Sucks!
>> >> >
>> >> > I have used every Windows OS ever made, I Have used Mac OS X, and I
>> >> > have
>> >> > experimented with Linux. I can say, beyond a reasonable doubt, that
>> >> > Microsoft
>> >> > Sucks!
>> >> >
>> >> > Not to mention that the original Windows Operating System was nearly
>> >> > a
>> >> > clone
>> >> > of the first Mac OS. Bill Gates didn't even write DOS for crying out
>> >> > loud,
>> >> > he
>> >> > bought it from someone else, and relicensed it.
>> >> >
>> >> > Bill Gates is nothing more than an intelligent businessman, but
>> >> > Apple
>> >> > Computers are increasing in popularity and if Microsoft doesn't stop
>> >> > sucking
>> >> > some time soon, they will be beaten in the end.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> > He didn't take my money, I bought a Mac from eBay. Funny thing is, it's
>> > 5-6
>> > years old, and runs the latest software. Show me a 5-year-old PC and
>> > you
>> > have
>> > a paperweight.
>> >
>> > Also, have you used Mac or Linux, how do you know that Microsoft
>> > doesn't
>> > suck if you don't know what else is out there?
>>
>>
>>

GO
07-10-2005, 12:36 AM
> Do you even know why I'm here?

No, but please go away. Don't feed the trolls!

ApplesRAwesome
07-10-2005, 12:36 AM
Perhaps I do not have first-hand experience with that school in particular,
however, I know this from experience.

Example: The school district which I currently attend recently purchased
some brand new Gateway laptops for the teachers. These laptops freeze often
and constantly reboot during presentations. I've spoken to many of the
teachers including the network/technology administrator, none of them like
these laptops, they wanted different ones, however, they got the Gateways
because they were the cheapest. I often refer to them as "Craptops." The
teachers agree with me.

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:

> Can you prove that statement?
> What is your source?
> What specific information do you have about the school Don refers?
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
> In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol
> http://www.dts-l.org
>
>
> "ApplesRAwesome" <ApplesRAwesome@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:EFB52BFE-922A-4FD9-91E7-751BD74F38DE@microsoft.com...
> > How old were those Apple Computers at your daughter's school?
> >
> > Schools replace computer systems by what's cheapest, not what's best to
> > use.
>
>
>

Jupiter Jones [MVP]
07-10-2005, 12:36 AM
In that case, this appears to describe your situation:
1. You have a PC problem
2. You were angry
3. You come here to a forum that may be able to help with your problem
4. You say "Microsoft Sucks" and nothing else that can give anyone a clue
what the problem is.
Sounds a lot like a troll.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol
http://www.dts-l.org


"ApplesRAwesome" <ApplesRAwesome@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:4E532E9F-0DC8-4107-B9EC-A13186437152@microsoft.com...
> Oh, I'm trolling am I?
>
> Do you even know why I'm here?
>
> I didn't just arbitrarily decide to come in here and raise a fuss. I came
> in
> here after spending long hours trying to resurrect my friend's PC and
> failing. I was very angry so I started this post.

Richard Urban
07-10-2005, 12:36 AM
Oh. Now you are running Windows XP so he took your money for that also -
unless you stole that too!

--
Regards,

Richard Urban

aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)

If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!


"ApplesRAwesome" <ApplesRAwesome@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:66ABDB9C-4774-491C-A697-08D95D48D57F@microsoft.com...
> First of all, the title "Microsoft Sucks!" is not an intelligent comment,
> however, it demands attention. I wanted attention, so I had to come up
> with a
> title that would get it.
>
> Second of all, My computer was manufactured in 1999 with a 350MHz
> processor.
> I have not yet upgraded it but it can be done. I have friends who have
> older
> systems and are still running well.
>
> Would you care to explain to me how it is able to run the latest software
> on
> little hardware while my newer Windows PC, with a 1.3GHz processor is
> struggling with XP and never ceases to enrage me for some stupid little
> reason.
>
> Nothing in this world is without flaw. Microsoft, however, is more flawed
> than most alternatives.
>
> And XP is not really a new Operating System. Windows has barely changed
> over
> the years. Even one of the screensavers I have on XP has been on Windows
> Operating Systems since 3.1 and possibly earlier.
>
> Apple Computer actually improves upon their technology with every OS
> release. Microsofts OSes simply crave more system resources and look
> prettier
> with each new release.
>
> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:
>
>> You did not really say anything to defend.
>> "Microsoft Sucks!" is not an intelligent comment, it is your opinion you
>> are
>> free to have.
>>
>> As for "Show me a 5-year-old PC and you have a paperweight"
>> You show much of your ignorance here.
>> I have a computer nearly 6 years old running Windows XP well.
>> Your experiences seem far to narrow for you to judge anything.
>>
>> --
>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
>> In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol
>> http://www.dts-l.org
>>
>>
>> "ApplesRAwesome" <ApplesRAwesome@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>> message
>> news:BF8FB2F4-76CF-4A20-AA4E-DD5B2D79CE47@microsoft.com...
>> > No, actually I've been using legal versions.
>> >
>> > As a child I had 3.1-3.11, then 95, and now XP. School computers have
>> > been
>> > running 2000 and NT, and my brother has had 98 and ME on his laptops.
>> >
>> > Also, I don't see you defending the accusations I've been making, only
>> > falsly accusing me.
>>
>>
>>

GO
07-10-2005, 12:36 AM
What accusations have you been making? Really the only thing you've said
was that MS sucks, but without anything to back it up. I love to bash MS
as much as the next guy but at least I just don't make some blanket
statement about it without some evidence to go along with it.



"ApplesRAwesome" <ApplesRAwesome@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:BF8FB2F4-76CF-4A20-AA4E-DD5B2D79CE47@microsoft.com...
> No, actually I've been using legal versions.
>
> As a child I had 3.1-3.11, then 95, and now XP. School computers have been
> running 2000 and NT, and my brother has had 98 and ME on his laptops.
>
> Also, I don't see you defending the accusations I've been making, only
> falsly accusing me.
>
> "Richard Urban" wrote:
>
> > When you said that you used every Windows operating system ever made I
> > wasn't aware that you stole them!
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> >
> > Richard Urban
> >
> > aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
> >
> > If you knew as much as you think you know,
> > You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
> >
> >
> > "ApplesRAwesome" <ApplesRAwesome@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
message
> > news:0AB10B5F-73BA-4257-BCC6-1E63C049B120@microsoft.com...
> > >
> > >
> > > "Richard Urban" wrote:
> > >
> > >> <Bill Gates is nothing more than an intelligent businessman>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> NO! He's an intelligent RICH business man who took your money!
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Regards,
> > >>
> > >> Richard Urban
> > >>
> > >> aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
> > >>
> > >> If you knew as much as you think you know,
> > >> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> "ApplesRAwesome" <ApplesRAwesome@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> > >> message
> > >> news:1C01A207-DBC0-4AE9-910B-C1329F02161B@microsoft.com...
> > >> > Microsoft Sucks!
> > >> >
> > >> > I have used every Windows OS ever made, I Have used Mac OS X, and I
> > >> > have
> > >> > experimented with Linux. I can say, beyond a reasonable doubt, that
> > >> > Microsoft
> > >> > Sucks!
> > >> >
> > >> > Not to mention that the original Windows Operating System was
nearly a
> > >> > clone
> > >> > of the first Mac OS. Bill Gates didn't even write DOS for crying
out
> > >> > loud,
> > >> > he
> > >> > bought it from someone else, and relicensed it.
> > >> >
> > >> > Bill Gates is nothing more than an intelligent businessman, but
Apple
> > >> > Computers are increasing in popularity and if Microsoft doesn't
stop
> > >> > sucking
> > >> > some time soon, they will be beaten in the end.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > > He didn't take my money, I bought a Mac from eBay. Funny thing is,
it's
> > > 5-6
> > > years old, and runs the latest software. Show me a 5-year-old PC and
you
> > > have
> > > a paperweight.
> > >
> > > Also, have you used Mac or Linux, how do you know that Microsoft
doesn't
> > > suck if you don't know what else is out there?
> >
> >
> >

Kelly
07-10-2005, 12:36 AM
Why didn't you just ask for help instead? You might have received a better
response.

"ApplesRAwesome" wrote:

> Oh, I'm trolling am I?
>
> Do you even know why I'm here?
>
> I didn't just arbitrarily decide to come in here and raise a fuss. I came in
> here after spending long hours trying to resurrect my friend's PC and
> failing. I was very angry so I started this post.

Richard Urban
07-10-2005, 12:36 AM
You attend school in a school district. Another pimply know nothing!

--
Regards,

Richard Urban

aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)

If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!


"ApplesRAwesome" <ApplesRAwesome@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:3C53E0F8-9717-4A17-A44C-769BE995746D@microsoft.com...
> Perhaps I do not have first-hand experience with that school in
> particular,
> however, I know this from experience.
>
> Example: The school district which I currently attend recently purchased
> some brand new Gateway laptops for the teachers. These laptops freeze
> often
> and constantly reboot during presentations. I've spoken to many of the
> teachers including the network/technology administrator, none of them like
> these laptops, they wanted different ones, however, they got the Gateways
> because they were the cheapest. I often refer to them as "Craptops." The
> teachers agree with me.
>
> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:
>
>> Can you prove that statement?
>> What is your source?
>> What specific information do you have about the school Don refers?
>>
>> --
>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
>> In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol
>> http://www.dts-l.org
>>
>>
>> "ApplesRAwesome" <ApplesRAwesome@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>> message
>> news:EFB52BFE-922A-4FD9-91E7-751BD74F38DE@microsoft.com...
>> > How old were those Apple Computers at your daughter's school?
>> >
>> > Schools replace computer systems by what's cheapest, not what's best to
>> > use.
>>
>>
>>

ApplesRAwesome
07-10-2005, 12:36 AM
Whether he took my money or not is not the point.

He did not take my money in particular, he took my parents' money.

The point still remains that nobody has actually debated the accusations I
have made, rather, simply calling out meaningless technicallities in order to
silence me.

"Richard Urban" wrote:

> Then he took your money. You can't have it both ways bub! You helped make
> him rich. If he didn't take your money, you stole them! Take your pick - or
> think fast and come up with another one!
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Richard Urban
>
> aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
>
> If you knew as much as you think you know,
> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>
>
> "ApplesRAwesome" <ApplesRAwesome@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:BF8FB2F4-76CF-4A20-AA4E-DD5B2D79CE47@microsoft.com...
> > No, actually I've been using legal versions.
> >
> > As a child I had 3.1-3.11, then 95, and now XP. School computers have been
> > running 2000 and NT, and my brother has had 98 and ME on his laptops.
> >
> > Also, I don't see you defending the accusations I've been making, only
> > falsly accusing me.
> >
> > "Richard Urban" wrote:
> >
> >> When you said that you used every Windows operating system ever made I
> >> wasn't aware that you stole them!
> >>
> >> --
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Richard Urban
> >>
> >> aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
> >>
> >> If you knew as much as you think you know,
> >> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
> >>
> >>
> >> "ApplesRAwesome" <ApplesRAwesome@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> >> message
> >> news:0AB10B5F-73BA-4257-BCC6-1E63C049B120@microsoft.com...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Richard Urban" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> <Bill Gates is nothing more than an intelligent businessman>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> NO! He's an intelligent RICH business man who took your money!
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Regards,
> >> >>
> >> >> Richard Urban
> >> >>
> >> >> aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
> >> >>
> >> >> If you knew as much as you think you know,
> >> >> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "ApplesRAwesome" <ApplesRAwesome@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> >> >> message
> >> >> news:1C01A207-DBC0-4AE9-910B-C1329F02161B@microsoft.com...
> >> >> > Microsoft Sucks!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I have used every Windows OS ever made, I Have used Mac OS X, and I
> >> >> > have
> >> >> > experimented with Linux. I can say, beyond a reasonable doubt, that
> >> >> > Microsoft
> >> >> > Sucks!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Not to mention that the original Windows Operating System was nearly
> >> >> > a
> >> >> > clone
> >> >> > of the first Mac OS. Bill Gates didn't even write DOS for crying out
> >> >> > loud,
> >> >> > he
> >> >> > bought it from someone else, and relicensed it.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Bill Gates is nothing more than an intelligent businessman, but
> >> >> > Apple
> >> >> > Computers are increasing in popularity and if Microsoft doesn't stop
> >> >> > sucking
> >> >> > some time soon, they will be beaten in the end.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> > He didn't take my money, I bought a Mac from eBay. Funny thing is, it's
> >> > 5-6
> >> > years old, and runs the latest software. Show me a 5-year-old PC and
> >> > you
> >> > have
> >> > a paperweight.
> >> >
> >> > Also, have you used Mac or Linux, how do you know that Microsoft
> >> > doesn't
> >> > suck if you don't know what else is out there?
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

Richard Urban
07-10-2005, 12:36 AM
Nite bub. Had fun with ya, even though you are dumb!

--
Regards,

Richard Urban

aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)

If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!


"ApplesRAwesome" <ApplesRAwesome@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:041BBABC-7000-4C64-9816-AF1801DDE129@microsoft.com...
> Whether he took my money or not is not the point.
>
> He did not take my money in particular, he took my parents' money.
>
> The point still remains that nobody has actually debated the accusations I
> have made, rather, simply calling out meaningless technicallities in order
> to
> silence me.
>
> "Richard Urban" wrote:
>
>> Then he took your money. You can't have it both ways bub! You helped make
>> him rich. If he didn't take your money, you stole them! Take your pick -
>> or
>> think fast and come up with another one!
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>>
>> Richard Urban
>>
>> aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
>>
>> If you knew as much as you think you know,
>> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>>
>>
>> "ApplesRAwesome" <ApplesRAwesome@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>> message
>> news:BF8FB2F4-76CF-4A20-AA4E-DD5B2D79CE47@microsoft.com...
>> > No, actually I've been using legal versions.
>> >
>> > As a child I had 3.1-3.11, then 95, and now XP. School computers have
>> > been
>> > running 2000 and NT, and my brother has had 98 and ME on his laptops.
>> >
>> > Also, I don't see you defending the accusations I've been making, only
>> > falsly accusing me.
>> >
>> > "Richard Urban" wrote:
>> >
>> >> When you said that you used every Windows operating system ever made I
>> >> wasn't aware that you stole them!
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Regards,
>> >>
>> >> Richard Urban
>> >>
>> >> aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
>> >>
>> >> If you knew as much as you think you know,
>> >> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "ApplesRAwesome" <ApplesRAwesome@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>> >> message
>> >> news:0AB10B5F-73BA-4257-BCC6-1E63C049B120@microsoft.com...
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "Richard Urban" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> <Bill Gates is nothing more than an intelligent businessman>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> NO! He's an intelligent RICH business man who took your money!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Regards,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Richard Urban
>> >> >>
>> >> >> aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If you knew as much as you think you know,
>> >> >> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "ApplesRAwesome" <ApplesRAwesome@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
>> >> >> in
>> >> >> message
>> >> >> news:1C01A207-DBC0-4AE9-910B-C1329F02161B@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> > Microsoft Sucks!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I have used every Windows OS ever made, I Have used Mac OS X, and
>> >> >> > I
>> >> >> > have
>> >> >> > experimented with Linux. I can say, beyond a reasonable doubt,
>> >> >> > that
>> >> >> > Microsoft
>> >> >> > Sucks!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Not to mention that the original Windows Operating System was
>> >> >> > nearly
>> >> >> > a
>> >> >> > clone
>> >> >> > of the first Mac OS. Bill Gates didn't even write DOS for crying
>> >> >> > out
>> >> >> > loud,
>> >> >> > he
>> >> >> > bought it from someone else, and relicensed it.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Bill Gates is nothing more than an intelligent businessman, but
>> >> >> > Apple
>> >> >> > Computers are increasing in popularity and if Microsoft doesn't
>> >> >> > stop
>> >> >> > sucking
>> >> >> > some time soon, they will be beaten in the end.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> > He didn't take my money, I bought a Mac from eBay. Funny thing is,
>> >> > it's
>> >> > 5-6
>> >> > years old, and runs the latest software. Show me a 5-year-old PC and
>> >> > you
>> >> > have
>> >> > a paperweight.
>> >> >
>> >> > Also, have you used Mac or Linux, how do you know that Microsoft
>> >> > doesn't
>> >> > suck if you don't know what else is out there?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>

Jupiter Jones [MVP]
07-10-2005, 12:36 AM
Children want attention, why do you?

Earlier you suggested a 5 year old computer is a paperweight.
Now you suggest otherwise.
You are inconsistent.
How can a 5 year old computer be "running well" and also be a paperweight?

If your 1.3 MHz is struggling with Windows XP, something other than Windows
XP is the problem.
My 366 MHz runs XP fine.
You probably have a hardware problem or possibly viruses, spyware and/or
other malware.

If you can not see the differences in Microsoft OSs other than resources,
you are not looking or simply do not see.

What Apple computers do or do not do is not relevant.
Your information about Windows is obviously flawed so your Apple information
is also probably flawed.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol
http://www.dts-l.org


"ApplesRAwesome" <ApplesRAwesome@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:66ABDB9C-4774-491C-A697-08D95D48D57F@microsoft.com...
> First of all, the title "Microsoft Sucks!" is not an intelligent comment,
> however, it demands attention. I wanted attention, so I had to come up
> with a
> title that would get it.
>
> Second of all, My computer was manufactured in 1999 with a 350MHz
> processor.
> I have not yet upgraded it but it can be done. I have friends who have
> older
> systems and are still running well.
>
> Would you care to explain to me how it is able to run the latest software
> on
> little hardware while my newer Windows PC, with a 1.3GHz processor is
> struggling with XP and never ceases to enrage me for some stupid little
> reason.
>
> Nothing in this world is without flaw. Microsoft, however, is more flawed
> than most alternatives.
>
> And XP is not really a new Operating System. Windows has barely changed
> over
> the years. Even one of the screensavers I have on XP has been on Windows
> Operating Systems since 3.1 and possibly earlier.
>
> Apple Computer actually improves upon their technology with every OS
> release. Microsofts OSes simply crave more system resources and look
> prettier
> with each new release.
>
> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:
>
>> You did not really say anything to defend.
>> "Microsoft Sucks!" is not an intelligent comment, it is your opinion you
>> are
>> free to have.
>>
>> As for "Show me a 5-year-old PC and you have a paperweight"
>> You show much of your ignorance here.
>> I have a computer nearly 6 years old running Windows XP well.
>> Your experiences seem far to narrow for you to judge anything.
>>
>> --
>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
>> In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol
>> http://www.dts-l.org
>>
>>
>> "ApplesRAwesome" <ApplesRAwesome@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>> message
>> news:BF8FB2F4-76CF-4A20-AA4E-DD5B2D79CE47@microsoft.com...
>> > No, actually I've been using legal versions.
>> >
>> > As a child I had 3.1-3.11, then 95, and now XP. School computers have
>> > been
>> > running 2000 and NT, and my brother has had 98 and ME on his laptops.
>> >
>> > Also, I don't see you defending the accusations I've been making, only
>> > falsly accusing me.
>>
>>
>>

Jupiter Jones [MVP]
07-10-2005, 12:36 AM
One last comment.
If you actually have a problem, start a new thread preferably using a
different name.
Post details of the problem so someone has something to work with,
"Microsoft Sucks!" does not work.

I am finished with you in this thread.
Good bye.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol
http://www.dts-l.org


"ApplesRAwesome" <ApplesRAwesome@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1C01A207-DBC0-4AE9-910B-C1329F02161B@microsoft.com...
> Microsoft Sucks!
>
> I have used every Windows OS ever made, I Have used Mac OS X, and I have
> experimented with Linux. I can say, beyond a reasonable doubt, that
> Microsoft
> Sucks!
>
> Not to mention that the original Windows Operating System was nearly a
> clone
> of the first Mac OS. Bill Gates didn't even write DOS for crying out loud,
> he
> bought it from someone else, and relicensed it.
>
> Bill Gates is nothing more than an intelligent businessman, but Apple
> Computers are increasing in popularity and if Microsoft doesn't stop
> sucking
> some time soon, they will be beaten in the end.

HeyBub
07-10-2005, 12:36 AM
ApplesRAwesome wrote:
> Microsoft Sucks!
>
> I have used every Windows OS ever made, I Have used Mac OS X, and I
> have experimented with Linux. I can say, beyond a reasonable doubt,
> that Microsoft Sucks!
>
> Not to mention that the original Windows Operating System was nearly
> a clone of the first Mac OS. Bill Gates didn't even write DOS for
> crying out loud, he bought it from someone else, and relicensed it.
>
> Bill Gates is nothing more than an intelligent businessman, but Apple
> Computers are increasing in popularity and if Microsoft doesn't stop
> sucking some time soon, they will be beaten in the end.

As a stockholder, I appreciate your concern.

With Apple at about 5% of the desktops, and Linux around the same, we share
your trepidation and sense of foreboding.

I have passed on your observations to the Investor Relations division with a
suggestion that Microsoft re-double its efforts to squash the two
competitors you mentioned. This can easily be done by giving each Mac user a
kitten so they will have an alternative pettable object and giving each
Linux user an impossible-to-solve Rubik's Cube.

Peter Foldes
07-10-2005, 12:36 AM
One of my systems is from 95 . It has a Spcewalker MOBO and is a P1 100mhz with 64mb
memory. It has Windows2000 pro and Office 2000 pro, It runs quite fast and I am very
happy with it. I have also run Linux and Mac
I stay with Windows for its ease of operation. I hardly have any issues since I
hope I know what I am doing. People like your friend and yourself and most posters
with issues are user fabricated issues for they do not know what they are doing
occassionaly. In other words self inflicted problems. Windows does not have to many
problems if you understand the OS.

So if you are looking at what you have said here in this thread I would think that
you alone and all by yourself
is to blame for the ignorance on the whole matter that you brought up

Peter

Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
Email is Disabled


"ApplesRAwesome" <ApplesRAwesome@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:66ABDB9C-4774-491C-A697-08D95D48D57F@microsoft.com...
> First of all, the title "Microsoft Sucks!" is not an intelligent comment,
> however, it demands attention. I wanted attention, so I had to come up with a
> title that would get it.
>
> Second of all, My computer was manufactured in 1999 with a 350MHz processor.
> I have not yet upgraded it but it can be done. I have friends who have older
> systems and are still running well.
>
> Would you care to explain to me how it is able to run the latest software on
> little hardware while my newer Windows PC, with a 1.3GHz processor is
> struggling with XP and never ceases to enrage me for some stupid little
> reason.
>
> Nothing in this world is without flaw. Microsoft, however, is more flawed
> than most alternatives.
>
> And XP is not really a new Operating System. Windows has barely changed over
> the years. Even one of the screensavers I have on XP has been on Windows
> Operating Systems since 3.1 and possibly earlier.
>
> Apple Computer actually improves upon their technology with every OS
> release. Microsofts OSes simply crave more system resources and look prettier
> with each new release.
>
> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:
>
> > You did not really say anything to defend.
> > "Microsoft Sucks!" is not an intelligent comment, it is your opinion you are
> > free to have.
> >
> > As for "Show me a 5-year-old PC and you have a paperweight"
> > You show much of your ignorance here.
> > I have a computer nearly 6 years old running Windows XP well.
> > Your experiences seem far to narrow for you to judge anything.
> >
> > --
> > Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> > http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
> > In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol
> > http://www.dts-l.org
> >
> >
> > "ApplesRAwesome" <ApplesRAwesome@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:BF8FB2F4-76CF-4A20-AA4E-DD5B2D79CE47@microsoft.com...
> > > No, actually I've been using legal versions.
> > >
> > > As a child I had 3.1-3.11, then 95, and now XP. School computers have been
> > > running 2000 and NT, and my brother has had 98 and ME on his laptops.
> > >
> > > Also, I don't see you defending the accusations I've been making, only
> > > falsly accusing me.
> >
> >
> >

Mike Hall \(MS-MVP\)
07-10-2005, 12:36 AM
Now we understand.. you don't have the ability to fix a pc so you come into
here trying to cause trouble.. that points to it being your fault.. did you
see the news about the 'Tiger' needing denture work?.. all of the fanfare
surrounding the release of the latest Mac offering fizzled out a little,
eh.. lol.. and Mac never releases patches or fixes?.. you should go to a Mac
forum and take a look..

--
Mike Hall
MVP - Windows Shell/User
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm





"ApplesRAwesome" <ApplesRAwesome@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:4E532E9F-0DC8-4107-B9EC-A13186437152@microsoft.com...
> Oh, I'm trolling am I?
>
> Do you even know why I'm here?
>
> I didn't just arbitrarily decide to come in here and raise a fuss. I came
> in
> here after spending long hours trying to resurrect my friend's PC and
> failing. I was very angry so I started this post.

Harry Ohrn
07-10-2005, 12:36 AM
Yes you are trolling. Here is the definition just in case you didn't know
what you were doing ;-)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

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"ApplesRAwesome" <ApplesRAwesome@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:4E532E9F-0DC8-4107-B9EC-A13186437152@microsoft.com...
> Oh, I'm trolling am I?
>
> Do you even know why I'm here?
>
> I didn't just arbitrarily decide to come in here and raise a fuss. I came
> in
> here after spending long hours trying to resurrect my friend's PC and
> failing. I was very angry so I started this post.

SP Goodman
07-10-2005, 12:36 AM
"ApplesRAwesome" <ApplesRAwesome@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1C01A207-DBC0-4AE9-910B-C1329F02161B@microsoft.com...
> Microsoft Sucks!
>
<mac ravings snipped>

Later, troll-bot. P L O N K.

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i_zuly
07-10-2005, 12:36 AM
When my laptop crashed I bought Celeron 430, but immediately sold it by parts
in ebay as it straggled both with winxp and Linux/Knopix desktop.

I personally don’t like windows for many things, but still run winxp ~90% of
time, Linux/Knoppix ~10% as Linux is not ready for desktop using so far, and
I use it mainly in command line mode.

All of you stop this and go and read this:
http://www.euronet.nl/users/frankvw/rants/microsoft/IhateMS_1.html


"Sleepless in Seattle" wrote:

> I'm running XP Pro SP2/2K Advanced Server/Fedora Core 3 on a Asus A7V
> motherboard/750 MHz Duron/384 MB RAM no problem. I haven't added anything
> apart from a USB 2.0 card since building it in 2001.
>
> I run NT 4/2k Advanced Server/2K Pro on a Pentium II 233/256 MB RAM from1997
> no problem. I also run similar on a Celeron 433/320 MB from 2000.
>
> --
> Jonah
> "ApplesRAwesome" <ApplesRAwesome@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:0AB10B5F-73BA-4257-BCC6-1E63C049B120@microsoft.com...
> >
> >
> > "Richard Urban" wrote:
> >
> >> <Bill Gates is nothing more than an intelligent businessman>
> >>
> >>
> >> NO! He's an intelligent RICH business man who took your money!
> >>
> >> --
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Richard Urban
> >>
> >> aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
> >>
> >> If you knew as much as you think you know,
> >> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
> >>
> >>
> >> "ApplesRAwesome" <ApplesRAwesome@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> >> message
> >> news:1C01A207-DBC0-4AE9-910B-C1329F02161B@microsoft.com...
> >> > Microsoft Sucks!
> >> >
> >> > I have used every Windows OS ever made, I Have used Mac OS X, and I
> >> > have
> >> > experimented with Linux. I can say, beyond a reasonable doubt, that
> >> > Microsoft
> >> > Sucks!
> >> >
> >> > Not to mention that the original Windows Operating System was nearly a
> >> > clone
> >> > of the first Mac OS. Bill Gates didn't even write DOS for crying out
> >> > loud,
> >> > he
> >> > bought it from someone else, and relicensed it.
> >> >
> >> > Bill Gates is nothing more than an intelligent businessman, but Apple
> >> > Computers are increasing in popularity and if Microsoft doesn't stop
> >> > sucking
> >> > some time soon, they will be beaten in the end.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > He didn't take my money, I bought a Mac from eBay. Funny thing is, it's
> > 5-6
> > years old, and runs the latest software. Show me a 5-year-old PC and you
> > have
> > a paperweight.
> >
> > Also, have you used Mac or Linux, how do you know that Microsoft doesn't
> > suck if you don't know what else is out there?
>
>
>

Alias
07-10-2005, 12:36 AM
"ApplesRAwesome" <ApplesRAwesome@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote

> Show me a 5-year-old PC and you have
> a paperweight.

My first computer was a Mac. It's a paperweight now. I have a six year old
HP Pavilion with XP Pro on it and it runs like silk so you were saying?

Alias

kurttrail
07-10-2005, 12:36 AM
SP Goodman wrote:
> "ApplesRAwesome" <ApplesRAwesome@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> message news:1C01A207-DBC0-4AE9-910B-C1329F02161B@microsoft.com...
>> Microsoft Sucks!
>>
> <mac ravings snipped>
>
> Later, troll-bot. P L O N K.

Oh go plonk yourself! Nothing pleases a troll more than having idiots
like you announcing your plonk!

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kurttrail
07-10-2005, 12:36 AM
ApplesRAwesome wrote:
> Microsoft Sucks!

OK, so what & why does it suck? I suck too, but I enjoy sucking down
pints of Guinness.

> I have used every Windows OS ever made, I Have used Mac OS X, and I
> have experimented with Linux. I can say, beyond a reasonable doubt,
> that Microsoft Sucks!

Ah! You mean Windows sucks in comparison to the various Linux/BSD
variants. Matter of opinion mostly, but nothing is perfect. MS does
some things better and some things worse than Linux/BSD.

> Not to mention that the original Windows Operating System was nearly
> a clone of the first Mac OS.

That is a gross overstatement. Both the original MacOS and Windows were
a rip of the GUI work done by Xerox.

> Bill Gates didn't even write DOS for
> crying out loud, he bought it from someone else, and relicensed it.

No argument there. Gates genuis has never been as a coder, but in being
able to market his products.

> Bill Gates is nothing more than an intelligent businessman, but Apple
> Computers are increasing in popularity and if Microsoft doesn't stop
> sucking some time soon, they will be beaten in the end.

LOL! What do you base your opinion that "Apple Computers are increasing
in popularity?" I've seen no evidence of that.

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Bob I
07-10-2005, 12:36 AM
ApplesRWormy wrote:

> Microsoft Sucks!
>
> I have used every Windows OS ever made, I

You HAVEN'T got a clue. Toddle back from whence you came.

Don Schmidt
07-10-2005, 12:36 AM
Seeing that the Microsoft OS is used by better than 90% of the world and the
schools are preparing the younguns to be incorporated into the business
world me thinks the wise choice for the schools is prepare the younguns for
what will be in demand. Therefore teaching what is in demand is the wise
choice. Face it, Apple, Mac, Commodore, Atari, Timex 2000, Texas
Instrument's something 99 are part of the evolution. Microsoft emerged as
the preferred choice of the world. Maybe granola is better for you but
people want Chateaubriand.

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"ApplesRAwesome" <ApplesRAwesome@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:EFB52BFE-922A-4FD9-91E7-751BD74F38DE@microsoft.com...
> How old were those Apple Computers at your daughter's school?
>
> Schools replace computer systems by what's cheapest, not what's best to
> use.
>
> "Don Schmidt" wrote:
>
>> I wouldn't be to sure about Mac. They just replaced all the Apple stuff
>> at
>> my daughter's middle school with Windows OS.
>>
>> BTW my ASUS TUSL2-C shop built is over 5 years old and purring right
>> along
>> on Windows XP. Three SCSI 10K rpm hard drives trowel the data around
>> pretty
>> good.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Don
>> "Some mornings it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps."
>>
>>
>>
>> "ApplesRAwesome" <ApplesRAwesome@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>> message
>> news:0AB10B5F-73BA-4257-BCC6-1E63C049B120@microsoft.com...
>> >
>> >
>> > "Richard Urban" wrote:
>> >
>> >> <Bill Gates is nothing more than an intelligent businessman>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> NO! He's an intelligent RICH business man who took your money!
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Regards,
>> >>
>> >> Richard Urban
>> >>
>> >> aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
>> >>
>> >> If you knew as much as you think you know,
>> >> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "ApplesRAwesome" <ApplesRAwesome@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>> >> message
>> >> news:1C01A207-DBC0-4AE9-910B-C1329F02161B@microsoft.com...
>> >> > Microsoft Sucks!
>> >> >
>> >> > I have used every Windows OS ever made, I Have used Mac OS X, and I
>> >> > have
>> >> > experimented with Linux. I can say, beyond a reasonable doubt, that
>> >> > Microsoft
>> >> > Sucks!
>> >> >
>> >> > Not to mention that the original Windows Operating System was nearly
>> >> > a
>> >> > clone
>> >> > of the first Mac OS. Bill Gates didn't even write DOS for crying out
>> >> > loud,
>> >> > he
>> >> > bought it from someone else, and relicensed it.
>> >> >
>> >> > Bill Gates is nothing more than an intelligent businessman, but
>> >> > Apple
>> >> > Computers are increasing in popularity and if Microsoft doesn't stop
>> >> > sucking
>> >> > some time soon, they will be beaten in the end.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> > He didn't take my money, I bought a Mac from eBay. Funny thing is, it's
>> > 5-6
>> > years old, and runs the latest software. Show me a 5-year-old PC and
>> > you
>> > have
>> > a paperweight.
>> >
>> > Also, have you used Mac or Linux, how do you know that Microsoft
>> > doesn't
>> > suck if you don't know what else is out there?
>>
>>
>>

Ken B
07-10-2005, 12:36 AM
I wouldn't say "know nothing", Richard... he does know how to incite an
argument / discussion, and possibly a riot down the road ;)

Ken

"Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uw6emnOXFHA.1384@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> You attend school in a school district. Another pimply know nothing!
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Richard Urban
>
> aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
>
> If you knew as much as you think you know,
> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>
>
> "ApplesRAwesome" <ApplesRAwesome@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> message news:3C53E0F8-9717-4A17-A44C-769BE995746D@microsoft.com...
>> Perhaps I do not have first-hand experience with that school in
>> particular,
>> however, I know this from experience.
>>
>> Example: The school district which I currently attend recently purchased
>> some brand new Gateway laptops for the teachers. These laptops freeze
>> often
>> and constantly reboot during presentations. I've spoken to many of the
>> teachers including the network/technology administrator, none of them
>> like
>> these laptops, they wanted different ones, however, they got the Gateways
>> because they were the cheapest. I often refer to them as "Craptops." The
>> teachers agree with me.
>>
>> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:
>>
>>> Can you prove that statement?
>>> What is your source?
>>> What specific information do you have about the school Don refers?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
>>> In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol
>>> http://www.dts-l.org
>>>
>>>
>>> "ApplesRAwesome" <ApplesRAwesome@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>>> message
>>> news:EFB52BFE-922A-4FD9-91E7-751BD74F38DE@microsoft.com...
>>> > How old were those Apple Computers at your daughter's school?
>>> >
>>> > Schools replace computer systems by what's cheapest, not what's best
>>> > to
>>> > use.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>

Ken B
07-10-2005, 12:36 AM
Maybe he needs therapy?... it always stems from some source of anger in the
past....
"ApplesRAwesome" <ApplesRAwesome@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:4E532E9F-0DC8-4107-B9EC-A13186437152@microsoft.com...
> Oh, I'm trolling am I?
>
> Do you even know why I'm here?
>
> I didn't just arbitrarily decide to come in here and raise a fuss. I came
> in
> here after spending long hours trying to resurrect my friend's PC and
> failing. I was very angry so I started this post.

Lindsay
07-10-2005, 12:36 AM
Yep. Me too. My old Compaq Armada M300 is running Xp Sp2 very nicely. MS is
a greedy business, but that is not the reason why computers go wrong. It's
the bit bewteen the seat and the keyboard where the problems occur. I do
very little maintenance on my machine and it's never complained or gone
wrong. I watch films, listen to music, design web sites, picture editing,
games playing, and programming all on this little machine. MS does suck but
so do a lot of users.

Anyway, what was the OPs problem? I don't seem to find a mention of it.

NobodyMan
07-10-2005, 12:37 AM
We buy hundreds of laptops per year for my company, from varying
manufacturers, all running XP Pro. Other than basic equipment
failures, they seldom freeze or reboot - and if they do, it is almost
always traced back to the user going somewhere on the net where they
shouldn't have, and getting viruses/trojans/spyware/malware/adware.
Don't blame to OS for the user's flaws.

On Thu, 19 May 2005 20:08:01 -0700, "ApplesRAwesome"
<ApplesRAwesome@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>Perhaps I do not have first-hand experience with that school in particular,
>however, I know this from experience.
>
>Example: The school district which I currently attend recently purchased
>some brand new Gateway laptops for the teachers. These laptops freeze often
>and constantly reboot during presentations. I've spoken to many of the
>teachers including the network/technology administrator, none of them like
>these laptops, they wanted different ones, however, they got the Gateways
>because they were the cheapest. I often refer to them as "Craptops." The
>teachers agree with me.
>
>"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:
>
>> Can you prove that statement?
>> What is your source?
>> What specific information do you have about the school Don refers?
>>
>> --
>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
>> In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol
>> http://www.dts-l.org
>>
>>
>> "ApplesRAwesome" <ApplesRAwesome@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:EFB52BFE-922A-4FD9-91E7-751BD74F38DE@microsoft.com...
>> > How old were those Apple Computers at your daughter's school?
>> >
>> > Schools replace computer systems by what's cheapest, not what's best to
>> > use.
>>
>>
>>

Leythos
07-10-2005, 12:37 AM
In article <7kos81l0jng6s221uuhedtforpakn25u8a@4ax.com>, none@none.net
says...
> We buy hundreds of laptops per year for my company, from varying
> manufacturers, all running XP Pro. Other than basic equipment
> failures, they seldom freeze or reboot - and if they do, it is almost
> always traced back to the user going somewhere on the net where they
> shouldn't have, and getting viruses/trojans/spyware/malware/adware.
> Don't blame to OS for the user's flaws.

I agree, where I live the Tech Support for the schools is provided by
some group called Treca, and I don't think they have a competent
technician or designer in their group. The install systems for students
that are not locked down, have mice with balls instead of optical (since
the kids take the mouse ball), don't configure anything correctly on the
desktops or laptops......

I went in on weekend and reconfigured all 16 computers in my wife's
classroom and, with the exception of the mouse balls, she never had
another problem, and if she had a problem, I provided her with an image
on CD that would auto-restore any machine in about 8 minutes.

It's not really what you buy, it's knowing how to use it - or in the
case of schools, knowing how to get around the incompetent technical
people that set them up.



>
> On Thu, 19 May 2005 20:08:01 -0700, "ApplesRAwesome"
> <ApplesRAwesome@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> >Perhaps I do not have first-hand experience with that school in particular,
> >however, I know this from experience.
> >
> >Example: The school district which I currently attend recently purchased
> >some brand new Gateway laptops for the teachers. These laptops freeze often
> >and constantly reboot during presentations. I've spoken to many of the
> >teachers including the network/technology administrator, none of them like
> >these laptops, they wanted different ones, however, they got the Gateways
> >because they were the cheapest. I often refer to them as "Craptops." The
> >teachers agree with me.
> >
> >"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:
> >
> >> Can you prove that statement?
> >> What is your source?
> >> What specific information do you have about the school Don refers?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> >> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
> >> In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol
> >> http://www.dts-l.org
> >>
> >>
> >> "ApplesRAwesome" <ApplesRAwesome@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:EFB52BFE-922A-4FD9-91E7-751BD74F38DE@microsoft.com...
> >> > How old were those Apple Computers at your daughter's school?
> >> >
> >> > Schools replace computer systems by what's cheapest, not what's best to
> >> > use.
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

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kurttrail
07-10-2005, 12:37 AM
NobodyMan wrote:
> We buy hundreds of laptops per year for my company, from varying
> manufacturers, all running XP Pro. Other than basic equipment
> failures, they seldom freeze or reboot - and if they do, it is almost
> always traced back to the user going somewhere on the net where they
> shouldn't have, and getting viruses/trojans/spyware/malware/adware.
> Don't blame to OS for the user's flaws.

And how many of those laptops were running a Linux or BSD variant?

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NoStop
07-10-2005, 12:37 AM
NobodyMan wrote:

> We buy hundreds of laptops per year for my company, from varying
> manufacturers, all running XP Pro. Other than basic equipment
> failures, they seldom freeze or reboot - and if they do, it is almost
> always traced back to the user going somewhere on the net where they
> shouldn't have, and getting viruses/trojans/spyware/malware/adware.
> Don't blame to OS for the user's flaws.
>
Funny you should mention that. Let me relate to you my last new installation
of XP. Customer came in with a computer that had Win98 on it and a retail
purchased XP Pro and wanted me to wipe his drive and install XP.

Installation went without a hitch and after it was installed, there were 3
things I wanted to do initially. I wanted to get an AV program installed. I
wanted to get FireFox installed and I wanted to put Adaware on his system.

Startup IE, and go and download FireFox. Then went and got AVG and finally
went and downloaded the latest Adaware.

Install the above 3 apps and run Adaware. Found 6 spyware programs on first
run.

Now where do you think they came from? Didn't go to any place I "shouldn't
have". The only place I can figure it picked that sh*t up was at MSN's home
page, because that damn IE defaulted to that as the home page and that was
my first connection to the net when starting the above procedure. So 6
spyware programs in the first 3 seconds of being on the Net.

Stop blaming the end-user. I'm getting sick of this MickeyMouse FUD! Never
the weak OS, always something the end-user did or didn't do.

That's why I've long since given up using a Windoze OS to connect to the Net
and can no longer recommend using Windoze if you want to do anything but
play games (not Internet connected games) and never connect your box to the
Net. Use a robust alternative OS and these silly problems are gone. Then
users can go where they want on the Net without worry.


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Leythos
07-10-2005, 12:37 AM
In article <rfuje.1423225$8l.975799@pd7tw1no>, nostop@stopspam.com
says...
> Funny you should mention that. Let me relate to you my last new installation
> of XP. Customer came in with a computer that had Win98 on it and a retail
> purchased XP Pro and wanted me to wipe his drive and install XP.
>
> Installation went without a hitch and after it was installed, there were 3
> things I wanted to do initially. I wanted to get an AV program installed. I
> wanted to get FireFox installed and I wanted to put Adaware on his system.
>
> Startup IE, and go and download FireFox. Then went and got AVG and finally
> went and downloaded the latest Adaware.
>
> Install the above 3 apps and run Adaware. Found 6 spyware programs on first
> run.
>
> Now where do you think they came from? Didn't go to any place I "shouldn't
> have". The only place I can figure it picked that sh*t up was at MSN's home
> page, because that damn IE defaulted to that as the home page and that was
> my first connection to the net when starting the above procedure. So 6
> spyware programs in the first 3 seconds of being on the Net.

I got news for you, but your network is compromised or you didn't
understand why the spyware was.

If you build a Windows box, according to MS's instructions, you won't
have spyware. If you are in a secure network, or even behind a cheap NAT
device, you can install and update and get AV software without ANY
SPYWARE or compromise.

Your inability to setup XP without being compromised is an indication of
your lack of ability to understand security, the Windows platform, and
your lack of technical skills.

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NoStop
07-10-2005, 12:37 AM
Leythos wrote:

> In article <rfuje.1423225$8l.975799@pd7tw1no>, nostop@stopspam.com
> says...
>> Funny you should mention that. Let me relate to you my last new
>> installation of XP. Customer came in with a computer that had Win98 on it
>> and a retail purchased XP Pro and wanted me to wipe his drive and install
>> XP.
>>
>> Installation went without a hitch and after it was installed, there were
>> 3 things I wanted to do initially. I wanted to get an AV program
>> installed. I wanted to get FireFox installed and I wanted to put Adaware
>> on his system.
>>
>> Startup IE, and go and download FireFox. Then went and got AVG and
>> finally went and downloaded the latest Adaware.
>>
>> Install the above 3 apps and run Adaware. Found 6 spyware programs on
>> first run.
>>
>> Now where do you think they came from? Didn't go to any place I
>> "shouldn't have". The only place I can figure it picked that sh*t up was
>> at MSN's home page, because that damn IE defaulted to that as the home
>> page and that was my first connection to the net when starting the above
>> procedure. So 6 spyware programs in the first 3 seconds of being on the
>> Net.
>
> I got news for you, but your network is compromised or you didn't
> understand why the spyware was.
>
Sorry but my network is not compromised. The rest of your sentence is
unintelligible, so I can't reply.

> If you build a Windows box, according to MS's instructions, you won't
> have spyware. If you are in a secure network, or even behind a cheap NAT
> device, you can install and update and get AV software without ANY
> SPYWARE or compromise.
>
Of course I'm behind a hardware router. Looks to me like you have difficulty
reading and comprehending. I told you exactly the procedure and the
results.

> Your inability to setup XP without being compromised is an indication of
> your lack of ability to understand security, the Windows platform, and
> your lack of technical skills.
>
Look kid, I've been working on computers for 25 years. I have probably
forgotten more than you know now about computers. So cut the crap. I
haven't even seen a bit of spyware, worms, virsuses or other malware on my
systems in a long long time. I fully understand how to secure my network
and it starts by using an OS that isn't that Nintendo p.o.s. that my
customer had me install for him.


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Jupiter Jones [MVP]
07-10-2005, 12:37 AM
Exactly what spyware programs?
Hopefully you are not referring to cookies as programs.
If you got undesired cookies, you needed to change the way IE deals with
cookies.
Also one item in IE comes up as spyware but does nothing until you press the
button for related information.

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"NoStop" <nostop@stopspam.com> wrote in message
news:rfuje.1423225$8l.975799@pd7tw1no...
> Funny you should mention that. Let me relate to you my last new
> installation
> of XP. Customer came in with a computer that had Win98 on it and a retail
> purchased XP Pro and wanted me to wipe his drive and install XP.
>
> Installation went without a hitch and after it was installed, there were 3
> things I wanted to do initially. I wanted to get an AV program installed.
> I
> wanted to get FireFox installed and I wanted to put Adaware on his system.
>
> Startup IE, and go and download FireFox. Then went and got AVG and finally
> went and downloaded the latest Adaware.
>
> Install the above 3 apps and run Adaware. Found 6 spyware programs on
> first
> run.
>
> Now where do you think they came from? Didn't go to any place I "shouldn't
> have". The only place I can figure it picked that sh*t up was at MSN's
> home
> page, because that damn IE defaulted to that as the home page and that was
> my first connection to the net when starting the above procedure. So 6
> spyware programs in the first 3 seconds of being on the Net.
>
> Stop blaming the end-user. I'm getting sick of this MickeyMouse FUD! Never
> the weak OS, always something the end-user did or didn't do.
>
> That's why I've long since given up using a Windoze OS to connect to the
> Net
> and can no longer recommend using Windoze if you want to do anything but
> play games (not Internet connected games) and never connect your box to
> the
> Net. Use a robust alternative OS and these silly problems are gone. Then
> users can go where they want on the Net without worry.
>
>
> --
> Re: Micro$oft OneCare:
> "When a company is run like the mafia why would you not expect them to
> progress to charging protection money." NF
>

Leythos
07-10-2005, 12:38 AM
In article <Szwje.1425158$6l.1024709@pd7tw2no>, nostop@stopspam.com
says...
> Look kid, I've been working on computers for 25 years. I have probably
> forgotten more than you know now about computers. So cut the crap. I
> haven't even seen a bit of spyware, worms, virsuses or other malware on my
> systems in a long long time. I fully understand how to secure my network
> and it starts by using an OS that isn't that Nintendo p.o.s. that my
> customer had me install for him.

I got you beat, been doing computers since the early 70's, and if you
got spyware then all that you said above is BS.

A router, doing NAT, does not secure your network, and does nothing to
filter HTTP session content.

You stated that you got spyware on the PC, you blamed MS, you said the
spyware software detected it, that means you did something wrong, since
following the normal install process, updates, etc.. has never rendered
spyware on a machine for the thousands I've done.

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kurttrail
07-10-2005, 12:38 AM
Leythos wrote:

<snip>

> I got you beat, been doing computers since the early 70's <snip>

Even with a boatload of KY, that's really got to hurt!

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Leythos
07-10-2005, 12:38 AM
In article <uV8YIHgXFHA.796@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl>,
dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
> Leythos wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > I got you beat, been doing computers since the early 70's <snip>
>
> Even with a boatload of KY, that's really got to hurt!

LOL - Where do you think the term "software" came from :)

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Kevin Brunt (Fat B@stard)!!
07-10-2005, 12:38 AM
I second that. This baby is capable of starting a riot in an empty room!!

Ken B wrote:
>
> I wouldn't say "know nothing", Richard... he does know how to incite an
> argument / discussion, and possibly a riot down the road ;)
>
> Ken
>
> "Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:uw6emnOXFHA.1384@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > You attend school in a school district. Another pimply know nothing!
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> >
> > Richard Urban
> >
> > aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
> >
> > If you knew as much as you think you know,
> > You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
> >
> >
> > "ApplesRAwesome" <ApplesRAwesome@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> > message news:3C53E0F8-9717-4A17-A44C-769BE995746D@microsoft.com...
> >> Perhaps I do not have first-hand experience with that school in
> >> particular,
> >> however, I know this from experience.
> >>
> >> Example: The school district which I currently attend recently purchased
> >> some brand new Gateway laptops for the teachers. These laptops freeze
> >> often
> >> and constantly reboot during presentations. I've spoken to many of the
> >> teachers including the network/technology administrator, none of them
> >> like
> >> these laptops, they wanted different ones, however, they got the Gateways
> >> because they were the cheapest. I often refer to them as "Craptops." The
> >> teachers agree with me.
> >>
> >> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:
> >>
> >>> Can you prove that statement?
> >>> What is your source?
> >>> What specific information do you have about the school Don refers?
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> >>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
> >>> In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol
> >>> http://www.dts-l.org
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "ApplesRAwesome" <ApplesRAwesome@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> >>> message
> >>> news:EFB52BFE-922A-4FD9-91E7-751BD74F38DE@microsoft.com...
> >>> > How old were those Apple Computers at your daughter's school?
> >>> >
> >>> > Schools replace computer systems by what's cheapest, not what's best
> >>> > to
> >>> > use.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >

NobodyMan
07-10-2005, 12:38 AM
On Fri, 20 May 2005 23:18:47 GMT, NoStop <nostop@stopspam.com> wrote:

>NobodyMan wrote:
>
>> We buy hundreds of laptops per year for my company, from varying
>> manufacturers, all running XP Pro. Other than basic equipment
>> failures, they seldom freeze or reboot - and if they do, it is almost
>> always traced back to the user going somewhere on the net where they
>> shouldn't have, and getting viruses/trojans/spyware/malware/adware.
>> Don't blame to OS for the user's flaws.
>>
>Funny you should mention that. Let me relate to you my last new installation
>of XP. Customer came in with a computer that had Win98 on it and a retail
>purchased XP Pro and wanted me to wipe his drive and install XP.
>
>Installation went without a hitch and after it was installed, there were 3
>things I wanted to do initially. I wanted to get an AV program installed. I
>wanted to get FireFox installed and I wanted to put Adaware on his system.
>
>Startup IE, and go and download FireFox. Then went and got AVG and finally
>went and downloaded the latest Adaware.
>
>Install the above 3 apps and run Adaware. Found 6 spyware programs on first
>run.
>
>Now where do you think they came from? Didn't go to any place I "shouldn't
>have". The only place I can figure it picked that sh*t up was at MSN's home
>page, because that damn IE defaulted to that as the home page and that was
>my first connection to the net when starting the above procedure. So 6
>spyware programs in the first 3 seconds of being on the Net.
>
>Stop blaming the end-user. I'm getting sick of this MickeyMouse FUD! Never
>the weak OS, always something the end-user did or didn't do.

You never mentioned many things. Did you have the AV setup BEFORE you
hooked up to the 'net? Was the firewall active? Something else
happened; MSN itself was not stricly at fault here. Our computers at
work default to MSN when they open up, and we NEVER get spyware on
them until after the end-users have them for a bit. I go back, look
in the history and the IPs in the proxies and discover all the
interesting places they went and all the crap they unknowingly got
from them. It if was from MSN these problems wouldn't take several
weeks to manifest.

>That's why I've long since given up using a Windoze OS to connect to the Net
>and can no longer recommend using Windoze if you want to do anything but
>play games (not Internet connected games) and never connect your box to the
>Net. Use a robust alternative OS and these silly problems are gone. Then
>users can go where they want on the Net without worry.

Of course you'd recommend Linux, but lets face it, it is a LLOONNGG
way from being a home-use OS. People don't want an OS they have to
think about when they add hardware or want to install a program; they
want to slam in a sound card, turn on the system, provide the
requested CD and be done in less than a minute. No matter how much
you may LOVE Linux, it just doesn't match the ease of use of Windows
and probably won't for years to come. Just face that.

AxMan
07-10-2005, 12:38 AM
ApplesRAwesome wrote:
> Microsoft Sucks!
>
> I have used every Windows OS ever made, I Have used Mac OS X, and I have
> experimented with Linux. I can say, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Microsoft
> Sucks!
>
> Not to mention that the original Windows Operating System was nearly a clone
> of the first Mac OS. Bill Gates didn't even write DOS for crying out loud, he
> bought it from someone else, and relicensed it.

Actually, I think if you check the history, Bill STOLE the DOS system
from his friend and college buddy the creator of Apple computers.

>
> Bill Gates is nothing more than an intelligent businessman, but Apple
> Computers are increasing in popularity and if Microsoft doesn't stop sucking
> some time soon, they will be beaten in the end.

Kerry Brown
07-10-2005, 12:38 AM
"AxMan" <user@domain.invalid> wrote in message
news:OCN%236jmXFHA.2080@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>
> Actually, I think if you check the history, Bill STOLE the DOS system from
> his friend and college buddy the creator of Apple computers.
>

You really should do a quick google before you post. MS-DOS was mostly based
on QDOS written by Tim Paterson of Seattle Computer Products. Microsoft
purchased QDOS from Seattle Computer Products. It wasn't stolen. QDOS itself
was based on CP/M. It could be argued that QDOS stole from CP/M but that was
before Bill Gates was involved. IBM thought that argument might have had
some merit as they agreed to distribute CP/M-86 to anyone that had PC-DOS,
their version of MS-DOS. That is the easily found on google version. How
much of that is true only the people involved know. There is no mention of
anyone connected to Apple.

PIP AXMAN=C:KILLFILE

Kerry

kurttrail
07-10-2005, 12:39 AM
Kerry Brown wrote:
> "AxMan" <user@domain.invalid> wrote in message
> news:OCN%236jmXFHA.2080@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>>
>> Actually, I think if you check the history, Bill STOLE the DOS
>> system from his friend and college buddy the creator of Apple
>> computers.
>
> You really should do a quick google before you post. MS-DOS was
> mostly based on QDOS written by Tim Paterson of Seattle Computer
> Products. Microsoft purchased QDOS from Seattle Computer Products. It
> wasn't stolen. QDOS itself was based on CP/M. It could be argued that
> QDOS stole from CP/M but that was before Bill Gates was involved. IBM
> thought that argument might have had some merit as they agreed to
> distribute CP/M-86 to anyone that had PC-DOS, their version of
> MS-DOS.

LOL! PC-DOS is CP/M's version of MS-DOS! I would think you are putting
the chicken before the egg.

> That is the easily found on google version. How much of that
> is true only the people involved know. There is no mention of anyone
> connected to Apple.
> PIP AXMAN=C:KILLFILE


Lame. Just absolutely lame. No one wants or needs to know about your
virtual hit list.

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Kerry Brown
07-10-2005, 12:39 AM
"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in message
news:OrN1rinXFHA.3712@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Kerry Brown wrote:
>> "AxMan" <user@domain.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:OCN%236jmXFHA.2080@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>> Actually, I think if you check the history, Bill STOLE the DOS
>>> system from his friend and college buddy the creator of Apple
>>> computers.
>>
>> You really should do a quick google before you post. MS-DOS was
>> mostly based on QDOS written by Tim Paterson of Seattle Computer
>> Products. Microsoft purchased QDOS from Seattle Computer Products. It
>> wasn't stolen. QDOS itself was based on CP/M. It could be argued that
>> QDOS stole from CP/M but that was before Bill Gates was involved. IBM
>> thought that argument might have had some merit as they agreed to
>> distribute CP/M-86 to anyone that had PC-DOS, their version of
>> MS-DOS.
>
> LOL! PC-DOS is CP/M's version of MS-DOS! I would think you are putting
> the chicken before the egg.

PC-DOS was IBM's version of MS-DOS. CP/M-86 was Digital Research's answer to
MS-DOS. Digital Research marketed CP/M then CP/M-86.

http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/P/PC_DOS.html

>
>> That is the easily found on google version. How much of that
>> is true only the people involved know. There is no mention of anyone
>> connected to Apple.
>> PIP AXMAN=C:KILLFILE

It was a joke PIP was the copy command in CP/M. I was wondering how many
people reading this newsgroup had actually used CP/M, MS-DOS, and PC-DOS and
get the reference :-)

>
>
> Lame. Just absolutely lame. No one wants or needs to know about your
> virtual hit list.
>
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David R. Norton MVP
07-10-2005, 12:39 AM
"Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in:

> It was a joke PIP was the copy command in CP/M. I was wondering
> how many people reading this newsgroup had actually used CP/M,
> MS-DOS, and PC-DOS and get the reference :-)

If I was old enough to remember any of that I wouldn't admit it.

Can we talk about TRSDOS now?


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Kerry Brown
07-10-2005, 12:39 AM
"David R. Norton MVP" <d_r_nortonNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns965E4A862DB3Adrnortonyahoocom@127.0.0.1...
> "Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in:
>
>> It was a joke PIP was the copy command in CP/M. I was wondering
>> how many people reading this newsgroup had actually used CP/M,
>> MS-DOS, and PC-DOS and get the reference :-)
>
> If I was old enough to remember any of that I wouldn't admit it.
>
> Can we talk about TRSDOS now?
>

That newfangled stuff will never catch on. My trash-80 ran CP/M. There was
no need for TRSDOS :-)

Seriously though, if more people studied a little bit of history instead of
relying on hearsay there would be a lot less hyperbole about Microsoft vs
Linux vs The New Greatest OS Ever. It's happened before, it'll happen again.
Computers are evolving too fast for any one company or OS to keep the upper
hand for very long. Things will change, that's the only constant so far in
the computing universe.

Kerry

kurttrail
07-10-2005, 12:39 AM
David R. Norton MVP wrote:
> "Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in:
>
>> It was a joke PIP was the copy command in CP/M. I was wondering
>> how many people reading this newsgroup had actually used CP/M,
>> MS-DOS, and PC-DOS and get the reference :-)
>
> If I was old enough to remember any of that I wouldn't admit it.
>
> Can we talk about TRSDOS now?

No. The point is that Gate/Microsoft didn't "innovate" anything when it
came to DOS. He/it modify some code that was already out there, and did
it without permission.

Tis the height of arrogance that they now what everyone to get
permission to use the copies of code it sells to people through third
parties!

But that is what makes MS what it is today, the most hated major
corporation on the face of the planet.

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Kerry Brown
07-10-2005, 12:39 AM
"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in message
news:%23Eudb6tXFHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> David R. Norton MVP wrote:
>> "Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in:
>>
>>> It was a joke PIP was the copy command in CP/M. I was wondering
>>> how many people reading this newsgroup had actually used CP/M,
>>> MS-DOS, and PC-DOS and get the reference :-)
>>
>> If I was old enough to remember any of that I wouldn't admit it.
>>
>> Can we talk about TRSDOS now?
>
> No. The point is that Gate/Microsoft didn't "innovate" anything when it
> came to DOS. He/it modify some code that was already out there, and did
> it without permission.
>
> Tis the height of arrogance that they now what everyone to get permission
> to use the copies of code it sells to people through third parties!
>
> But that is what makes MS what it is today, the most hated major
> corporation on the face of the planet.
>

That wasn't my point at all. It was merely a joke. I can think of very few
microcomputer programs that were innovative. Possibly VisiCalc? Even that
may not be. It may be that I am not aware of it's predecessor. Maybe Babbage
had an original idea. Then again maybe he ripped it off from Leonardo. Most
"innovations" are built on what came before.

Kerry

Leythos
07-10-2005, 12:39 AM
In article <est3PMoXFHA.3488@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl>, kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-
tems.c*a*m says...
> It was a joke PIP was the copy command in CP/M. I was wondering how many
> people reading this newsgroup had actually used CP/M, MS-DOS, and PC-DOS and
> get the reference :-)

I did, but I wanted to stay out of your guys fun.

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07-10-2005, 12:39 AM
Kerry Brown wrote:
> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
> message news:%23Eudb6tXFHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> David R. Norton MVP wrote:
>>> "Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in:
>>>
>>>> It was a joke PIP was the copy command in CP/M. I was wondering
>>>> how many people reading this newsgroup had actually used CP/M,
>>>> MS-DOS, and PC-DOS and get the reference :-)
>>>
>>> If I was old enough to remember any of that I wouldn't admit it.
>>>
>>> Can we talk about TRSDOS now?
>>
>> No. The point is that Gate/Microsoft didn't "innovate" anything
>> when it came to DOS. He/it modify some code that was already out
>> there, and did it without permission.
>>
>> Tis the height of arrogance that they now what everyone to get
>> permission to use the copies of code it sells to people through
>> third parties! But that is what makes MS what it is today, the most
>> hated major
>> corporation on the face of the planet.
>>
>
> That wasn't my point at all.

I didn't say it was.

> It was merely a joke. I can think of
> very few microcomputer programs that were innovative. Possibly
> VisiCalc? Even that may not be. It may be that I am not aware of it's
> predecessor. Maybe Babbage had an original idea. Then again maybe he
> ripped it off from Leonardo. Most "innovations" are built on what
> came before.

LOL! Changing a some lines of an already existing code is not
innovation. Taking the ideas and conceptualizations of others, and
creating a product out of that, is innovation. Understand the
difference?

But what does this nitpicking have to do with the conclusion of my post,
how MS didn't ask for permission to MODIFY somebody else's code, yet now
wants everyone to get their permission just to USE the copy of software
that it sells to people through third parties?!

Though the OP is a total idiot, Microsoft does suck! Totally
hypocritical organization. And is justly the most hated corporation in
the world today! More hated than the Catholic Church is for protecting
their child-molesting preists!

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Kerry Brown
07-10-2005, 12:39 AM
"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
news:MPG.1cfa794ad0fb0abc9897cf@news-server.columbus.rr.com...
> In article <est3PMoXFHA.3488@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl>, kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-
> tems.c*a*m says...
>> It was a joke PIP was the copy command in CP/M. I was wondering how many
>> people reading this newsgroup had actually used CP/M, MS-DOS, and PC-DOS
>> and
>> get the reference :-)
>
> I did, but I wanted to stay out of your guys fun.
>

Sunday morning debates over coffee are always enjoyable :-)

Kerry

Leythos
07-10-2005, 12:39 AM
In article <MPG.1cfa794ad0fb0abc9897cf@news-server.columbus.rr.com>,
void@nowhere.lan says...
> In article <est3PMoXFHA.3488@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl>, kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-
> tems.c*a*m says...
> > It was a joke PIP was the copy command in CP/M. I was wondering how many
> > people reading this newsgroup had actually used CP/M, MS-DOS, and PC-DOS and
> > get the reference :-)
>
> I did, but I wanted to stay out of your guys fun.

I can remember when I got a Z80 that had 2 x 16 bit registers and was
really excited about it making math easier. Heck, I can remember when I
got my first assembler/linker package and I didn't have to code in Hex,
whoo hoo!

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Kerry Brown
07-10-2005, 12:39 AM
"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
news:MPG.1cfa7c3ebfdb2a3d9897d1@news-server.columbus.rr.com...
> In article <MPG.1cfa794ad0fb0abc9897cf@news-server.columbus.rr.com>,
> void@nowhere.lan says...
>> In article <est3PMoXFHA.3488@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl>, kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-
>> tems.c*a*m says...
>> > It was a joke PIP was the copy command in CP/M. I was wondering how
>> > many
>> > people reading this newsgroup had actually used CP/M, MS-DOS, and
>> > PC-DOS and
>> > get the reference :-)
>>
>> I did, but I wanted to stay out of your guys fun.
>
> I can remember when I got a Z80 that had 2 x 16 bit registers and was
> really excited about it making math easier. Heck, I can remember when I
> got my first assembler/linker package and I didn't have to code in Hex,
> whoo hoo!
>

I remember my first experience with a "high level" assembly language
compiler for the 6502. It was light years from coding in Hex. I wonder how
many of today's programs are influenced by the poor programming practices
caused early home pc's with BASIC as the operating system. Using Pascal on
an Apple II was the biggest revelation I ever had to do with programming.
All of a sudden the idea of structure made sense. In the context of this
thread BASIC was Microsoft's first commercial program and yes they ripped it
off from somewhere else, I believe also using stolen time on a DEC.

Kerry

David R. Norton MVP
07-10-2005, 12:39 AM
"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in:

> David R. Norton MVP wrote:
>> "Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in:
>>
>>> It was a joke PIP was the copy command in CP/M. I was wondering
>>> how many people reading this newsgroup had actually used CP/M,
>>> MS-DOS, and PC-DOS and get the reference :-)
>>
>> If I was old enough to remember any of that I wouldn't admit it.
>>
>> Can we talk about TRSDOS now?
>
> No. The point is that Gate/Microsoft didn't "innovate" anything
> when it came to DOS.

As usual, you don't have a point.

> He/it modify some code that was already out there, and did it without
> permission.

OK, if that's what you want to believe...

> But that is what makes MS what it is today, the most hated major
> corporation on the face of the planet.

Ohhhh... Walmart will be REALLY disappointed to hear that!

And I'm STILL ignoring you but I'm sure you haven't figured that out
either...


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kurttrail
07-10-2005, 12:39 AM
David R. Norton MVP wrote:
> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in:
>
>> David R. Norton MVP wrote:
>>> "Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in:
>>>
>>>> It was a joke PIP was the copy command in CP/M. I was wondering
>>>> how many people reading this newsgroup had actually used CP/M,
>>>> MS-DOS, and PC-DOS and get the reference :-)
>>>
>>> If I was old enough to remember any of that I wouldn't admit it.
>>>
>>> Can we talk about TRSDOS now?
>>
>> No. The point is that Gate/Microsoft didn't "innovate" anything
>> when it came to DOS.
>
> As usual, you don't have a point.

LOL! Letting the sewergas get to your head again, Norton?!

I had a couple of points in that post.

1.) MS didn't innovate anything with their original version of DOS.
2.) It is the height of hypocrisy for MS, a company that started out
changing a few lines of code without the permission, to expect all it's
customers to get permission just to USE the copy of software that was
sold to them by a previous third party owners of that copy!

>
>> He/it modify some code that was already out there, and did it without
>> permission.
>
> OK, if that's what you want to believe...

I have yet to see one shread of evidence that shows otherwise. Would
you care to show us some, Norton? Naw, I didn't think so! All sewer
gas, and nothing of any substance.

>> But that is what makes MS what it is today, the most hated major
>> corporation on the face of the planet.
>
> Ohhhh... Walmart will be REALLY disappointed to hear that!

I doubt it. And WalMart isn't a monopoly of anything worldwide, like MS
is a monopoly with the PC desktop.

> And I'm STILL ignoring you but I'm sure you haven't figured that out
> either...

LOL! You are just IGNORant, but I'm sure you will never figure that out
either, Norton!

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Leythos
07-10-2005, 12:39 AM
In article <eE5JCjwXFHA.3732@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>,
dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
> 1.) MS didn't innovate anything with their original version of DOS.

Sure they did - the formed an innovative marketing plan, even though it
had been done with other products, and turned a simple OS into one of
the largest installed OS's in the world.

There have been few people that have done as much through business
planning as Bill has.

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07-10-2005, 12:39 AM
Leythos wrote:
> In article <eE5JCjwXFHA.3732@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>,
> dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
>> 1.) MS didn't innovate anything with their original version of DOS.
>
> Sure they did - the formed an innovative marketing plan, even though
> it had been done with other products, and turned a simple OS into one
> of the largest installed OS's in the world.
>
> There have been few people that have done as much through business
> planning as Bill has.
>
> --

LOL! They built a better business plan, they didn't innovate anything
when it came to code!

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Leythos
07-10-2005, 12:39 AM
In article <#pG4v0wXFHA.3712@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl>,
dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
> Leythos wrote:
> > In article <eE5JCjwXFHA.3732@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>,
> > dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
> >> 1.) MS didn't innovate anything with their original version of DOS.
> >
> > Sure they did - the formed an innovative marketing plan, even though
> > it had been done with other products, and turned a simple OS into one
> > of the largest installed OS's in the world.
> >
> > There have been few people that have done as much through business
> > planning as Bill has.
>
> LOL! They built a better business plan, they didn't innovate anything
> when it came to code!

If you follow the history, Bill did write code, but he was also smart
enough to see that a different product would do what he wanted and
bought it. While the initial DOS was crude, it was enhanced by the MS
team and such, it's not like MS didn't add anything to DOS as it moved
forward.

You can't say that MS didn't have any innovative ideas - they were able
to market the product, get it running on more computers than any other
OS, and turn the company into one of the richest in the world.

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kurttrail
07-10-2005, 12:39 AM
Leythos wrote:
> In article <#pG4v0wXFHA.3712@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl>,
> dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
>> Leythos wrote:
>>> In article <eE5JCjwXFHA.3732@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>,
>>> dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
>>>> 1.) MS didn't innovate anything with their original version of
>>>> DOS.
>>>
>>> Sure they did - the formed an innovative marketing plan, even though
>>> it had been done with other products, and turned a simple OS into
>>> one of the largest installed OS's in the world.
>>>
>>> There have been few people that have done as much through business
>>> planning as Bill has.
>>
>> LOL! They built a better business plan, they didn't innovate
>> anything when it came to code!
>
> If you follow the history, Bill did write code,

Notice you didn't say Bill did write THE code. He added, and modified
some of the existing code! Like I do with my microscum page. MS has
people doing the html, I download it and modify to get my microscum
website looking like MS's, and I add some of my own too.

> but he was also smart
> enough to see that a different product would do what he wanted and
> bought it. While the initial DOS was crude, it was enhanced by the MS
> team and such, it's not like MS didn't add anything to DOS as it moved
> forward.

I didn't say they didn't. I just said that the original DOS code wasn't
innovation.

"MS didn't innovate anything with their original version of DOS."

> You can't say that MS didn't have any innovative ideas - they were
> able to market the product, get it running on more computers than any
> other OS, and turn the company into one of the richest in the world.

They did that with their original DOS code?

You are talking about everything since then. MS has been best as a
marketer, not an innovator. MS is a known and proven patent and
copyright infringer. When they "innovate" it is usually through
infringement and/or buying the innovation of others.

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Leythos
07-10-2005, 12:40 AM
In article <eQV6skxXFHA.3188@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl>,
dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
> MS has been best as a
> marketer, not an innovator. MS is a known and proven patent and
> copyright infringer. When they "innovate" it is usually through
> infringement and/or buying the innovation of others.

But you can say that about Ford, Honda, GM, Mozilla, Apple, HP, etc...
The only real innovation I've seen is an Idea.

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kurttrail
07-10-2005, 12:40 AM
Leythos wrote:
> In article <eQV6skxXFHA.3188@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl>,
> dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
>> MS has been best as a
>> marketer, not an innovator. MS is a known and proven patent and
>> copyright infringer. When they "innovate" it is usually through
>> infringement and/or buying the innovation of others.
>
> But you can say that about Ford, Honda, GM, Mozilla, Apple, HP, etc...

No I couldn't. They didn't take somebody else's car, change the
fenders, and resell it as their own product.

And that is what MS did with their original DOS offering. They bought a
copy from a third party, not the author of the code, and they changed
the fenders, and sold it as their own, WITHOUT the permission of the
author of the original code to modify and resell his code!

It is totally hysterical! And now, decades later, MS has the
unmitigated gall to get people to ask MS for permission just to USE the
copy of software that was LEGALLY sold to them!

> The only real innovation I've seen is an Idea.

You can see an idea? What do they look like in their physical
manifestation!

LOL! And MS's innovation wasn't in the idea of DOS, but in the
marketing of it as their own product. If they tried the same thing
today, it would be called PIRACY! ;-)

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Kerry Brown
07-10-2005, 12:40 AM
I keep trying to reply to this post but it never shows up. Censorship?

Kerry

"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in message
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> Kerry Brown wrote:
>> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
>> message news:%23Eudb6tXFHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>> David R. Norton MVP wrote:
>>>> "Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in:
>>>>
>>>>> It was a joke PIP was the copy command in CP/M. I was wondering
>>>>> how many people reading this newsgroup had actually used CP/M,
>>>>> MS-DOS, and PC-DOS and get the reference :-)
>>>>
>>>> If I was old enough to remember any of that I wouldn't admit it.
>>>>
>>>> Can we talk about TRSDOS now?
>>>
>>> No. The point is that Gate/Microsoft didn't "innovate" anything
>>> when it came to DOS. He/it modify some code that was already out
>>> there, and did it without permission.
>>>
>>> Tis the height of arrogance that they now what everyone to get
>>> permission to use the copies of code it sells to people through
>>> third parties! But that is what makes MS what it is today, the most
>>> hated major
>>> corporation on the face of the planet.
>>>
>>
>> That wasn't my point at all.
>
> I didn't say it was.
>
>> It was merely a joke. I can think of
>> very few microcomputer programs that were innovative. Possibly
>> VisiCalc? Even that may not be. It may be that I am not aware of it's
>> predecessor. Maybe Babbage had an original idea. Then again maybe he
>> ripped it off from Leonardo. Most "innovations" are built on what
>> came before.
>
> LOL! Changing a some lines of an already existing code is not innovation.
> Taking the ideas and conceptualizations of others, and creating a product
> out of that, is innovation. Understand the difference?
>
> But what does this nitpicking have to do with the conclusion of my post,
> how MS didn't ask for permission to MODIFY somebody else's code, yet now
> wants everyone to get their permission just to USE the copy of software
> that it sells to people through third parties?!
>
> Though the OP is a total idiot, Microsoft does suck! Totally hypocritical
> organization. And is justly the most hated corporation in the world
> today! More hated than the Catholic Church is for protecting their
> child-molesting preists!
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Leythos
07-10-2005, 12:40 AM
In article <#jkCvTyXFHA.712@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl>,
dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
> Leythos wrote:
> > In article <eQV6skxXFHA.3188@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl>,
> > dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
> >> MS has been best as a
> >> marketer, not an innovator. MS is a known and proven patent and
> >> copyright infringer. When they "innovate" it is usually through
> >> infringement and/or buying the innovation of others.
> >
> > But you can say that about Ford, Honda, GM, Mozilla, Apple, HP, etc...
>
> No I couldn't. They didn't take somebody else's car, change the
> fenders, and resell it as their own product.

If you think that the car was the single idea/invention of one person
that was not copied by many others, then you really are blinded by your
hate for MS.

> And that is what MS did with their original DOS offering. They bought a
> copy from a third party, not the author of the code, and they changed
> the fenders, and sold it as their own, WITHOUT the permission of the
> author of the original code to modify and resell his code!

The same with all the car vendors, they keep taking an idea, a product
created by others, improving it, making it better (most times) and
reselling it - all without credit to the guy that invented the engine.

> It is totally hysterical! And now, decades later, MS has the
> unmitigated gall to get people to ask MS for permission just to USE the
> copy of software that was LEGALLY sold to them!

No one is asked to use Windows, they pick it on their own.

> > The only real innovation I've seen is an Idea.
>
> You can see an idea? What do they look like in their physical
> manifestation!

I can't believe you're so closed minded that you can't see an idea,
heck, most people don't even have to do drugs to see an idea.

> LOL! And MS's innovation wasn't in the idea of DOS, but in the
> marketing of it as their own product. If they tried the same thing
> today, it would be called PIRACY! ;-)

Sorry, others are still doing it - you need to get out an purchase other
vendors software, MS is not alone in that licensing method.

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Leythos
07-10-2005, 12:40 AM
In article <OZdHIeyXFHA.2996@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>, kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-
tems.c*a*m says...
> I keep trying to reply to this post but it never shows up. Censorship?

I think it depends on what type of wording you put in the post, and also
from where you post.

Don't use a web interface to post, use a real Usenet service.


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Kerry Brown
07-10-2005, 12:40 AM
"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
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> In article <OZdHIeyXFHA.2996@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>, kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-
> tems.c*a*m says...
>> I keep trying to reply to this post but it never shows up. Censorship?
>
> I think it depends on what type of wording you put in the post, and also
> from where you post.
>
> Don't use a web interface to post, use a real Usenet service.
>
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Posting to msnews.microsoft.com with OE. It's always worked in the past. It
was a very innocuous post replying to Kurt's post. Didn't use any swear
words or flame anyone.

Kerry

kurttrail
07-10-2005, 12:40 AM
Kerry Brown wrote:
> I keep trying to reply to this post but it never shows up. Censorship?

I think I know how you feel!

http://www.microscum.com/censored/

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kurttrail
07-10-2005, 12:40 AM
Leythos wrote:
> In article <OZdHIeyXFHA.2996@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>,
> kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys- tems.c*a*m says...
>> I keep trying to reply to this post but it never shows up.
>> Censorship?
>
> I think it depends on what type of wording you put in the post, and
> also from where you post.
>
> Don't use a web interface to post, use a real Usenet service.

Maybe you should actually read the guy's header info, before you accuse
him of using the sh*tty CDO interface. Posts get censored all the time,
around here. And they seem to disappear in greater numbers when Mike
Brannigan rears his ugly head in the group. When he doesn't post for a
while, the number of posts pulled seem to drop to almost nill, except
for the occasional spam post.

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Leythos
07-10-2005, 12:40 AM
In article <#n$iA7zXFHA.2484@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>,
dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
> Leythos wrote:
> > In article <OZdHIeyXFHA.2996@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>,
> > kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys- tems.c*a*m says...
> >> I keep trying to reply to this post but it never shows up.
> >> Censorship?
> >
> > I think it depends on what type of wording you put in the post, and
> > also from where you post.
> >
> > Don't use a web interface to post, use a real Usenet service.
>
> Maybe you should actually read the guy's header info, before you accuse
> him of using the sh*tty CDO interface. Posts get censored all the time,
> around here. And they seem to disappear in greater numbers when Mike
> Brannigan rears his ugly head in the group. When he doesn't post for a
> while, the number of posts pulled seem to drop to almost nill, except
> for the occasional spam post.

Too bad he doesn't filter some of the BS too.

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kurttrail
07-10-2005, 12:40 AM
Leythos wrote:
> In article <#n$iA7zXFHA.2484@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>,
> dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
>> Leythos wrote:
>>> In article <OZdHIeyXFHA.2996@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>,
>>> kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys- tems.c*a*m says...
>>>> I keep trying to reply to this post but it never shows up.
>>>> Censorship?
>>>
>>> I think it depends on what type of wording you put in the post, and
>>> also from where you post.
>>>
>>> Don't use a web interface to post, use a real Usenet service.
>>
>> Maybe you should actually read the guy's header info, before you
>> accuse him of using the sh*tty CDO interface. Posts get censored
>> all the time, around here. And they seem to disappear in greater
>> numbers when Mike Brannigan rears his ugly head in the group. When
>> he doesn't post for a while, the number of posts pulled seem to drop
>> to almost nill, except for the occasional spam post.
>
> Too bad he doesn't filter some of the BS too.

Yep, always figured you to be a fascist. This is just another nail in
that coffin.

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NoStop
07-10-2005, 12:40 AM
kurttrail wrote:

>
> Home or Pro! What other choice is there? Linux is a Server OS, and is
> too arcane for the average user! [We'll being seeing NoStop soon!]
>
Hi Kurt. :-)

> But in MS's case, Piracy is just the chickens coming home to roost!
> Poetic effin' justice! Reaping what it sowed! Getting its just
> desserts! KARMA!
>
Unlike you, I don't support piracy. That's why I use an OS that I don't need
to pirate to get around some silly EULA.

But, in all honesty - Windoze is fine for some folks. It allows them to
operate their computers and do whatever it is they do with their computers.
If they want to have to nurse it along to keep it protected and functional,
well that's their choice. Where it starts to bother me is when the use of
that OS in the hands of the inexperienced starts impacting on the use of my
computer. It was only because of the inherent insecurities of that OS that
has allowed for what I consider the release of a wrecking ball on the Net.

If people want to use Windoze and use it responsibly, I don't have a problem
with it. If people are constantly having problems keeping their computers
running because of how shoddily the OS is put together then I just mention
there are alternatives.

I don't like the juggernaut that M$ holds in the marketplace where computer
manufacturers have been forced to package that OS with all the systems they
sell. This cuts back on my choice when it comes to purchasing hardware. I
hate to have to purchase a laptop for example that comes bundled with an OS
that I have no intention of using and still have to pay for as part of the
package. If all computers were sold without an OS then the consumer would
have to make a choice on installing the OS they wanted to run. That's fine.
That's a competitive OS marketplace that can only benefit the consumer.
Some users will make a wise decision and others will sheepishly buy into
the big marketing machine and make an unwise decision. But at least they'll
be doing so by their free choice, not have it forced on them as is the
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David R. Norton MVP
07-10-2005, 12:40 AM
"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in:

> David R. Norton MVP wrote:

>> As usual, you don't have a point.
>
> LOL! Letting the sewergas get to your head again, Norton?!

Nope, just a factual comment. Of course, you won't understand that,
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kurttrail
07-10-2005, 12:40 AM
NoStop wrote:
> kurttrail wrote:
>
>>
>> Home or Pro! What other choice is there? Linux is a Server OS, and
>> is too arcane for the average user! [We'll being seeing NoStop
>> soon!]
>>
> Hi Kurt. :-)

You are like Beetlejuice!

>
>> But in MS's case, Piracy is just the chickens coming home to roost!
>> Poetic effin' justice! Reaping what it sowed! Getting its just
>> desserts! KARMA!
>>
> Unlike you, I don't support piracy.

Neither do I. I just think in MS's case it is their karma.

> That's why I use an OS that I
> don't need to pirate to get around some silly EULA.

"Fair Use" is not piracy. And that is what I support. But I understand
MY rights under copyright law, most people don't. They think that
copyright owners can tell them what they can and cannot do in the
privacy of their home with the copyrighted material that was legally
sold to them. That is just the FUD of the corporate copyright elite!

> But, in all honesty - Windoze is fine for some folks.

LOL! It is fine for you!

"I have a couple of computers on my LAN that do run Windoze." - NoStop

> It allows them
> to operate their computers and do whatever it is they do with their
> computers. If they want to have to nurse it along to keep it
> protected and functional, well that's their choice. Where it starts
> to bother me is when the use of that OS in the hands of the
> inexperienced starts impacting on the use of my computer. It was only
> because of the inherent insecurities of that OS that has allowed for
> what I consider the release of a wrecking ball on the Net.
>
> If people want to use Windoze and use it responsibly, I don't have a
> problem with it. If people are constantly having problems keeping
> their computers running because of how shoddily the OS is put
> together then I just mention there are alternatives.
>
> I don't like the juggernaut that M$ holds in the marketplace where
> computer manufacturers have been forced to package that OS with all
> the systems they sell. This cuts back on my choice when it comes to
> purchasing hardware. I hate to have to purchase a laptop for example
> that comes bundled with an OS that I have no intention of using and
> still have to pay for as part of the package. If all computers were
> sold without an OS then the consumer would have to make a choice on
> installing the OS they wanted to run. That's fine. That's a
> competitive OS marketplace that can only benefit the consumer. Some
> users will make a wise decision and others will sheepishly buy into
> the big marketing machine and make an unwise decision. But at least
> they'll be doing so by their free choice, not have it forced on them
> as is the case, all to often, now.

Yawn!

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kurttrail
07-10-2005, 12:40 AM
David R. Norton MVP wrote:
> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in:
>
>> David R. Norton MVP wrote:
>
>>> As usual, you don't have a point.
>>
>> LOL! Letting the sewergas get to your head again, Norton?!
>
> Nope, just a factual comment. Of course, you won't understand that,
> either....

No, it is just an statement of opinion, which you didn't support at all,
so it is a totally unsubstantiated opinion, but of course you won't
understand that, Norton! And I do love your definition of ignore,
IGNORamus!

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David R. Norton MVP
07-10-2005, 12:41 AM
"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in:

> David R. Norton MVP wrote:
>> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in:
>>
>>> David R. Norton MVP wrote:
>>
>>>> As usual, you don't have a point.
>>>
>>> LOL! Letting the sewergas get to your head again, Norton?!
>>
>> Nope, just a factual comment. Of course, you won't understand
>> that, either....
>
> No, it is just an statement of opinion, which you didn't support
> at all, so it is a totally unsubstantiated opinion, but of course
> you won't understand that, Norton! And I do love your definition
> of ignore, IGNORamus!

No, it was a statement of fact. As for *the* (not my) definition of
"ignore" I'll explain it to you when you're more mature, right now
discussing anything with you is like talking to a nine year old but
until then you might want to look the word up?

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kurttrail
07-10-2005, 12:41 AM
David R. Norton MVP wrote:
> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in:
>
>> David R. Norton MVP wrote:
>>> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in:
>>>
>>>> David R. Norton MVP wrote:
>>>
>>>>> As usual, you don't have a point.
>>>>
>>>> LOL! Letting the sewergas get to your head again, Norton?!
>>>
>>> Nope, just a factual comment. Of course, you won't understand
>>> that, either....
>>
>> No, it is just an statement of opinion, which you didn't support
>> at all, so it is a totally unsubstantiated opinion, but of course
>> you won't understand that, Norton! And I do love your definition
>> of ignore, IGNORamus!
>
> No, it was a statement of fact. As for *the* (not my) definition of
> "ignore" I'll explain it to you when you're more mature, right now
> discussing anything with you is like talking to a nine year old but
> until then you might want to look the word up?
>
> Good bye.



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kurttrail
07-10-2005, 12:41 AM
David R. Norton MVP wrote:
> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in:
>
>> David R. Norton MVP wrote:
>>> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in:
>>>
>>>> David R. Norton MVP wrote:
>>>
>>>>> As usual, you don't have a point.
>>>>
>>>> LOL! Letting the sewergas get to your head again, Norton?!
>>>
>>> Nope, just a factual comment. Of course, you won't understand
>>> that, either....
>>
>> No, it is just an statement of opinion, which you didn't support
>> at all, so it is a totally unsubstantiated opinion, but of course
>> you won't understand that, Norton! And I do love your definition
>> of ignore, IGNORamus!
>
> No, it was a statement of fact.

Really? Since I gave you two points, your FACT doesn't jibe with
reality. But you wouldn't know reality, even if it was rammed up your
ass sideways, and then spun around like a propeller!

> As for *the* (not my) definition of
> "ignore" I'll explain it to you when you're more mature, right now
> discussing anything with you is like talking to a nine year old but
> until then you might want to look the word up?

I have, and reponding to my posts would be the opposite of ignoring me.
Maybe if you start taking your meds again, you will be capable of
holding a rational conversation.

> Good bye.

Later, Norton!

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uggabugga
07-10-2005, 01:34 AM
"ApplesRAwesome" wrote:

Would you care to explain to me how it is able to run the latest software on
little hardware while my newer Windows PC, with a 1.3GHz processor is
struggling with XP and never ceases to enrage me for some stupid little
reason.

A 1.3 GHz PC that struggles to run XP. I have a 1.4 GHz PC that runs XP Pro
like a dream. I'd say you have something wrong with it. Try defragging.
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Leythos
07-10-2005, 01:34 AM
In article <87D02A89-74D3-46D7-A363-2E03770BF45F@microsoft.com>,
uggabugga@discussions.microsoft.com says...
> "ApplesRAwesome" wrote:
>
> Would you care to explain to me how it is able to run the latest software on
> little hardware while my newer Windows PC, with a 1.3GHz processor is
> struggling with XP and never ceases to enrage me for some stupid little
> reason.
>
> A 1.3 GHz PC that struggles to run XP. I have a 1.4 GHz PC that runs XP Pro
> like a dream. I'd say you have something wrong with it. Try defragging.

My lowest end P3/833 runs XP quite well as does my kids Celeron 900mhz
machine, it's all in the RAM :)

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R. McCarty
07-10-2005, 01:34 AM
I have an older Dell notebook with a 433 Mhz & 256 Megs of
RAM. Runs XP Pro fine. My wife has co-opted it and takes it
on business trips. It handles day-to-day work without a problem.
Even with security tools and few startups, it's a workhorse.
You just have to know how to configure/tweak older hardware
and not give it too much multitasking to deal with. It handles an
Office App like Word, IE and Mail and never struggles. For
notebooks with the minimum CPU, I'd agree memory makes
all the difference. Battery life is probably it's only failing.

"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d2cce9d26aef3da989950@news-server.columbus.rr.com...
> In article <87D02A89-74D3-46D7-A363-2E03770BF45F@microsoft.com>,
> uggabugga@discussions.microsoft.com says...
>> "ApplesRAwesome" wrote:
>>
>> Would you care to explain to me how it is able to run the latest software
>> on
>> little hardware while my newer Windows PC, with a 1.3GHz processor is
>> struggling with XP and never ceases to enrage me for some stupid little
>> reason.
>>
>> A 1.3 GHz PC that struggles to run XP. I have a 1.4 GHz PC that runs XP
>> Pro
>> like a dream. I'd say you have something wrong with it. Try defragging.
>
> My lowest end P3/833 runs XP quite well as does my kids Celeron 900mhz
> machine, it's all in the RAM :)
>
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Alan Smith
07-10-2005, 01:34 AM
"uggabugga" <uggabugga@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:87D02A89-74D3-46D7-A363-2E03770BF45F@microsoft.com...
> "ApplesRAwesome" wrote:
>
> Would you care to explain to me how it is able to run the latest software
> on
> little hardware while my newer Windows PC, with a 1.3GHz processor is
> struggling with XP and never ceases to enrage me for some stupid little
> reason.
>
> A 1.3 GHz PC that struggles to run XP. I have a 1.4 GHz PC that runs XP
> Pro
> like a dream. I'd say you have something wrong with it. Try defragging.
> --
> That's just like my opinion, Man........

I'm running it on a 550MHz P3. It's fine except when editing large images-
and that was the same in 98SE too.

It will slow down if you have loads running at startup, viruses, spyware,
little RAM, little hard disk space left, poor settings etc. - all things you
can sort out.


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