Windows on multiple computers



Ingue86
07-09-2005, 11:33 PM
At home I have a laptop and a desktop. I was wondering if I could put the
same copy of Windows xp pro on both of them and still be legal. The COA does
say for 1-2 computers, but I'm not quite sure what they mean. Any info would
be great.

Jupiter Jones [MVP]
07-09-2005, 11:33 PM
Look again.
It does not say "1-2 computers".
It says something similar to "1-2 CPU"
That is the number of processors you computer can use.

One license, one computer, the way it has always been with all Microsoft
consumer operating systems since at least Windows 95.
If you want Windows XP on a second computer, you need to buy another copy of
Windows XP.

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"Ingue86" <Ingue86@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:9B4E897B-E3A9-4E5D-AD68-D368471BB873@microsoft.com...
> At home I have a laptop and a desktop. I was wondering if I could put the
> same copy of Windows xp pro on both of them and still be legal. The COA
> does
> say for 1-2 computers, but I'm not quite sure what they mean. Any info
> would
> be great.

T. Waters
07-09-2005, 11:33 PM
Ingue86 wrote:
> At home I have a laptop and a desktop. I was wondering if I could
> put the same copy of Windows xp pro on both of them and still be
> legal. The COA does say for 1-2 computers, but I'm not quite sure
> what they mean. Any info would be great.

Interesting that your COA says 1-2 computers, but in fact Microsoft intends
that you may only install the software on one machine at a time. They have
put a few hurdles in your way, but if you do not mind violating the End-User
License Agreement, you can (as opposed to MAY) put one copy of XP on two
computers. Product activation will only be a problem if you attempt to
activate your XP (something you have to do or it will stop working) on two
different computers within 120 days.

Richard Urban
07-09-2005, 11:33 PM
A CPU "IS NOT" a computer. A CPU is a chip within the computer - the brains
of the computer, if you will. You may use ONE computer with either 1 or 2
CPU's on the motherboard.

Read the EULA again.

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"Ingue86" <Ingue86@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:9B4E897B-E3A9-4E5D-AD68-D368471BB873@microsoft.com...
> At home I have a laptop and a desktop. I was wondering if I could put the
> same copy of Windows xp pro on both of them and still be legal. The COA
> does
> say for 1-2 computers, but I'm not quite sure what they mean. Any info
> would
> be great.

Bruce Chambers
07-09-2005, 11:33 PM
Ingue86 wrote:
> At home I have a laptop and a desktop. I was wondering if I could put the
> same copy of Windows xp pro on both of them and still be legal. The COA does
> say for 1-2 computers, but I'm not quite sure what they mean. Any info would
> be great.


Actually, your CoA says "1 - 2 CPUs," which are very different from
computers. A CPU is a chip inside a computer, and some computers have 2
of them.

You'll need to purchase a separate WinXP license for each computer
on which you install it.

Just as it has *always* been with *all* Microsoft operating
systems, it's necessary (to be in compliance with both the EULA and U.S.
copyright law http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/117.html), if not
technically) to purchase one WinXP license for each computer on which it
is installed. (Consult an attorney versed in copyright law to determine
final applicability in your locale.) The only way in which WinXP
licensing differs from that of earlier versions of Windows is that
Microsoft has finally added a copy protection and anti-theft mechanism,
Product Activation, to prevent (or at least make more difficult)
multiple installations using a single license.

One can buy additional licenses, assuming one already has a retail
license. Naturally, Microsoft cannot sell additional OEM licenses. Be
aware, however, that you'll probably pay more this way than you would if
you were to buy a second copy of WinXP from a discount retailer;
Microsoft will only offer you a 15% discount off their MSRP.

Additional Licenses for Windows XP Home Edition
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/addlic.asp

Additional Licenses for Windows XP Professional
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/howtobuy/addlic.asp

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Winux P
07-09-2005, 11:33 PM
The COA will state 1-2 CPU's not computers. If you manage to install the
same copy on two computers, legally Microsoft does not have a leg to stand
on. If in doubt find the EULA paper that came with the software, cross out,
alter and add your own clauses and fax it back to them. This is not just a
legal right but an obligation when presented with a contract, the law (those
who uphold it) would expect you to. This puts the onus on Microsoft to
either agree, alter or reject the "new EULA". If at this stage you only have
the copy of XP on one machine only, they'll have no legal recourse by their
very own virtue against you, other than to put you in a position to return
the product to them and give your money back. Then you go buy another one
and do the same.

Think about it Ingue86, you've read the "You agree to the license agreement
enclosed before installing this product"? Not before you buy it. No way, in
my case I put the box on the counter with the money and asked which one you
want? Usually a what I do to get myself a discount on something, but in this
case its' not just that but a case of, I'm the one giving the money, this is
the deal if you want the sale, I don't agree with the license agreement
enclosed, I can still buy it without agreeing but I can't install it,
horsepucky!!! Microsoft may not be properly represented at the point of sale
but that's not my fault (its' their obligation again). I do however have the
obligation to inform them of the proposed altered agreement. That's where
the fax came in to it. At this stage I've heard nothing back from them I can
assume they agreed. This as silly and funny as it seems covers me legally
substantially. If the money is in your hands Ingue86, then you dictate the
terms of sale, don't worry about protecting Intellectual Property,...etc.
that's the terms of business because its' your right to serve your interests
too.

I worked for a major television station here a while (not that long) back
where Microsoft allowed an extra 150 activations for Windows XP Pro on the
basis that after a meeting which I was present at my boss told the MS Sales
representitive, "you guys are really beginning to annoy (he said sh!t
really) me, what do I want with you idiots anyway?" After a phone call
that's the deal he came back with. Do you want the money? Or do you want the
software? If you want the money then here's the deal. The same can happen
privately as well, you don't have to take MS EULA for granted on reading it
as legally you have the right to alter and even reject contractual
agreements. This is usually done before a sale or business deal. It does not
legitimise MSs' EULA just because you paid for it first even before reading.
nor installing it. That's the hoax they (MS) play on. As far as I'm
concerned Windows XP Pro is my person item that belongs wholly and solely to
me, and for my private use I'll do what ever I want with it. That's the deal
and they have on the agreement I sent to them. It's yet to be rejected.

-Winux P

Hopefully I won't write back from prison, just kidding.

"Ingue86" <Ingue86@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:9B4E897B-E3A9-4E5D-AD68-D368471BB873@microsoft.com...
| At home I have a laptop and a desktop. I was wondering if I could put the
| same copy of Windows xp pro on both of them and still be legal. The COA
does
| say for 1-2 computers, but I'm not quite sure what they mean. Any info
would
| be great.

pjp
07-09-2005, 11:33 PM
Novel approach, I like it :)

"Winux P" <winuxp@msnews.grp> wrote in message
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>
> The COA will state 1-2 CPU's not computers. If you manage to install the
> same copy on two computers, legally Microsoft does not have a leg to stand
> on. If in doubt find the EULA paper that came with the software, cross
> out,
> alter and add your own clauses and fax it back to them. This is not just a
> legal right but an obligation when presented with a contract, the law
> (those
> who uphold it) would expect you to. This puts the onus on Microsoft to
> either agree, alter or reject the "new EULA". If at this stage you only
> have
> the copy of XP on one machine only, they'll have no legal recourse by
> their
> very own virtue against you, other than to put you in a position to return
> the product to them and give your money back. Then you go buy another one
> and do the same.
>
> Think about it Ingue86, you've read the "You agree to the license
> agreement
> enclosed before installing this product"? Not before you buy it. No way,
> in
> my case I put the box on the counter with the money and asked which one
> you
> want? Usually a what I do to get myself a discount on something, but in
> this
> case its' not just that but a case of, I'm the one giving the money, this
> is
> the deal if you want the sale, I don't agree with the license agreement
> enclosed, I can still buy it without agreeing but I can't install it,
> horsepucky!!! Microsoft may not be properly represented at the point of
> sale
> but that's not my fault (its' their obligation again). I do however have
> the
> obligation to inform them of the proposed altered agreement. That's where
> the fax came in to it. At this stage I've heard nothing back from them I
> can
> assume they agreed. This as silly and funny as it seems covers me legally
> substantially. If the money is in your hands Ingue86, then you dictate the
> terms of sale, don't worry about protecting Intellectual Property,...etc.
> that's the terms of business because its' your right to serve your
> interests
> too.
>
> I worked for a major television station here a while (not that long) back
> where Microsoft allowed an extra 150 activations for Windows XP Pro on the
> basis that after a meeting which I was present at my boss told the MS
> Sales
> representitive, "you guys are really beginning to annoy (he said sh!t
> really) me, what do I want with you idiots anyway?" After a phone call
> that's the deal he came back with. Do you want the money? Or do you want
> the
> software? If you want the money then here's the deal. The same can happen
> privately as well, you don't have to take MS EULA for granted on reading
> it
> as legally you have the right to alter and even reject contractual
> agreements. This is usually done before a sale or business deal. It does
> not
> legitimise MSs' EULA just because you paid for it first even before
> reading.
> nor installing it. That's the hoax they (MS) play on. As far as I'm
> concerned Windows XP Pro is my person item that belongs wholly and solely
> to
> me, and for my private use I'll do what ever I want with it. That's the
> deal
> and they have on the agreement I sent to them. It's yet to be rejected.
>
> -Winux P
>
> Hopefully I won't write back from prison, just kidding.
>
> "Ingue86" <Ingue86@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:9B4E897B-E3A9-4E5D-AD68-D368471BB873@microsoft.com...
> | At home I have a laptop and a desktop. I was wondering if I could put
> the
> | same copy of Windows xp pro on both of them and still be legal. The COA
> does
> | say for 1-2 computers, but I'm not quite sure what they mean. Any info
> would
> | be great.
>
>

Ingue86
07-09-2005, 11:34 PM
Thanks a lot, that just cleared up a lot of confusion I had. Also, thanks
for the fast response and explanation to my question. Thanks again.

"Ingue86" wrote:

> At home I have a laptop and a desktop. I was wondering if I could put the
> same copy of Windows xp pro on both of them and still be legal. The COA does
> say for 1-2 computers, but I'm not quite sure what they mean. Any info would
> be great.


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