Yes, IE7 has tabs!



PA Bear
07-10-2005, 12:31 AM
IEBlog
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/

<QP>
The tabbed browsing experience in the upcoming IE7 beta is pretty basic.
Expect additional end-user functionality to come in after the beta....

Some people have asked why we didn't put tabs in IE sooner. Initially, we
had some concerns around complexity and consistency. will it confuse users
more than it benefits them? Is it confusing if IE has tabs, but other core
parts of the Windows experience, like Windows Media Player or the shell, don't
have tabs? I think we made the wrong decision here initially, and we're
making the right one now. I'd like to ask you to post a comment with your
favorite or most critical IE add-ins. we want to make sure IE7 works great
with them.
</QP>
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Lindsay
07-10-2005, 12:31 AM
Will there be an option to have no tabs if preferred? Personally I see no
benefit to having tabs. Or will MS do this with Explorer too? Perhaps that
will be in Service Pack 14 with WMP24 available as a 5Gig download. ;-p

PA Bear
07-10-2005, 12:31 AM
See Bruce Morgan's (MSFT) reply in the discussion
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/05/16/417732.aspx#comments

<QP>
"I love tabs"
"I hate tabs"
"Put them in, but turn them off by default"
"Put them in, default them on, but let people turn them off".

See why we went back on forth on implementing tabs in IE?

Anyway, IE7 has tabs. You don't have to go someplace to turn them on, they
just work via Ctrl+click, or Ctrl+T, etc. Your finger memory will work just
fine.
</QP>
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~PA Bear

Lindsay wrote:
> Will there be an option to have no tabs if preferred? Personally I see no
> benefit to having tabs. Or will MS do this with Explorer too? Perhaps that
> will be in Service Pack 14 with WMP24 available as a 5Gig download. ;-p

NoStop
07-10-2005, 12:31 AM
PA Bear wrote:

> The tabbed browsing experience in the upcoming IE7 beta is pretty basic.
> Expect additional end-user functionality to come in after the beta....
>
Will this functionality come in When third-parties write plugins? Or one has
to purchase a shareware program to get more functionality? Or when some
spyware infected add-on to IE is provided on some website somewhere?

> Some people have asked why we didn't put tabs in IE sooner. Initially, we
> had some concerns around complexity and consistency. will it confuse users
> more than it benefits them? Is it confusing if IE has tabs, but other core
> parts of the Windows experience, like Windows Media Player or the shell,
> don't have tabs?

No more confusing than giving the OS the ability to burn a CD but not a DVD.
No more confusing than the tabs one finds in some dialog boxes. MickeyMouse
sure does have a low regard for the intelligence of its user base, I must
say. Tabs would be confusing, indeed!


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N. Miller
07-10-2005, 12:31 AM
On Mon, 16 May 2005 22:52:48 +0100, Lindsay wrote:

> Will there be an option to have no tabs if preferred? Personally I see no
> benefit to having tabs. Or will MS do this with Explorer too? Perhaps that
> will be in Service Pack 14 with WMP24 available as a 5Gig download. ;-p

Ever use Firefox? It has tabs, but you don't see them unless you request
them.

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GO
07-10-2005, 12:31 AM
Have you ever tried a tabbed browser? I was of the same mindset and was
slow to start using them when I switched to Firefox, but now that I have I
would not go back. In fact when I have to use IE at work it's almost
painful to use. :) I guess it all depends on your browsing style but I
think the trend is that once people start using them they love them.


"Lindsay" <me@home.com> wrote in message
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> Will there be an option to have no tabs if preferred? Personally I see no
> benefit to having tabs. Or will MS do this with Explorer too? Perhaps that
> will be in Service Pack 14 with WMP24 available as a 5Gig download. ;-p
>
>

Alias
07-10-2005, 12:31 AM
Just be careful not to choose Open in Tabs a long list of bookmarks. I did
that to a list of about 30 bookmarks when I first got Firefox, thinking to
myself, "I wonder what this will do?". What a trip!

Alias

"GO" <aa533@remove.this.chebucto.ns.ca> wrote
> Have you ever tried a tabbed browser? I was of the same mindset and was
> slow to start using them when I switched to Firefox, but now that I have I
> would not go back. In fact when I have to use IE at work it's almost
> painful to use. :) I guess it all depends on your browsing style but I
> think the trend is that once people start using them they love them.
>
>
> "Lindsay" <me@home.com> wrote in message
> news:4289163b$0$569$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net...
>> Will there be an option to have no tabs if preferred? Personally I see no
>> benefit to having tabs. Or will MS do this with Explorer too? Perhaps
>> that
>> will be in Service Pack 14 with WMP24 available as a 5Gig download. ;-p
>>
>>
>
>

GO
07-10-2005, 12:31 AM
Yeah, I did that too...wondering the exact same thing :)


"Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
news:#$4jlwnWFHA.1152@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Just be careful not to choose Open in Tabs a long list of bookmarks. I did
> that to a list of about 30 bookmarks when I first got Firefox, thinking to
> myself, "I wonder what this will do?". What a trip!
>
> Alias
>
> "GO" <aa533@remove.this.chebucto.ns.ca> wrote
> > Have you ever tried a tabbed browser? I was of the same mindset and was
> > slow to start using them when I switched to Firefox, but now that I have
I
> > would not go back. In fact when I have to use IE at work it's almost
> > painful to use. :) I guess it all depends on your browsing style but
I
> > think the trend is that once people start using them they love them.
> >
> >
> > "Lindsay" <me@home.com> wrote in message
> > news:4289163b$0$569$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net...
> >> Will there be an option to have no tabs if preferred? Personally I see
no
> >> benefit to having tabs. Or will MS do this with Explorer too? Perhaps
> >> that
> >> will be in Service Pack 14 with WMP24 available as a 5Gig download. ;-p
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

Sunny
07-10-2005, 12:31 AM
"PA Bear" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:eVfo71lWFHA.1796@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> IEBlog
> http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/
>
> <QP>
> The tabbed browsing experience in the upcoming IE7 beta is pretty basic.
> Expect additional end-user functionality to come in after the beta....
>
> Some people have asked why we didn't put tabs in IE sooner. Initially, we
> had some concerns around complexity and consistency. will it confuse users
> more than it benefits them? Is it confusing if IE has tabs, but other core
> parts of the Windows experience, like Windows Media Player or the shell,
> don't have tabs? I think we made the wrong decision here initially, and
> we're making the right one now. I'd like to ask you to post a comment with
> your favorite or most critical IE add-ins. we want to make sure IE7 works
> great with them.
> </QP>
> --
> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE) & Security

What, pray tell, are "Tabs" ?

Alias
07-10-2005, 12:31 AM
"Sunny" <wombathouse@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> "PA Bear" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:eVfo71lWFHA.1796@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>> IEBlog
>> http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/
>>
>> <QP>
>> The tabbed browsing experience in the upcoming IE7 beta is pretty basic.
>> Expect additional end-user functionality to come in after the beta....
>>
>> Some people have asked why we didn't put tabs in IE sooner. Initially, we
>> had some concerns around complexity and consistency. will it confuse
>> users more than it benefits them? Is it confusing if IE has tabs, but
>> other core parts of the Windows experience, like Windows Media Player or
>> the shell, don't have tabs? I think we made the wrong decision here
>> initially, and we're making the right one now. I'd like to ask you to
>> post a comment with your favorite or most critical IE add-ins. we want to
>> make sure IE7 works great with them.
>> </QP>
>> --
>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>> MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE) & Security
>
> What, pray tell, are "Tabs" ?

Download Firefox and find out for yourself:

http://www.mozilla.org/

Alias

Kerry Brown
07-10-2005, 12:31 AM
"Lindsay" <me@home.com> wrote in message
news:4289163b$0$569$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net...
> Will there be an option to have no tabs if preferred? Personally I see no
> benefit to having tabs. Or will MS do this with Explorer too? Perhaps that
> will be in Service Pack 14 with WMP24 available as a 5Gig download. ;-p
>

Tabs with google rocks. So much easier than open in a new window.

Kerry

07-10-2005, 12:31 AM
"Lindsay" <me@home.com> wrote in message
news:4289163b$0$569$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net...
> Will there be an option to have no tabs if preferred? Personally I see
> no benefit to having tabs. Or will MS do this with Explorer too?
> Perhaps that will be in Service Pack 14 with WMP24 available as a 5Gig
> download. ;-p
>


Well, I already have the equivalent of tabbed browsing and I'm only
using IE6. But I am also using Windows XP and have configured the
Taskbar to group the buttons. That way, I just click on the button in
Taskbar and I can pick which one out of the dozen instances of IE that I
want to use.

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Kenny S
07-10-2005, 12:31 AM
I already use www.avantbrowser.com that is a free new shell for the IE6
engine.
It gives me tabs and a numerous other enhancments. I cannot use IE6
anymore..
I use avant and firefox.


"PA Bear" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:eVfo71lWFHA.1796@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> IEBlog
> http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/
>
> <QP>
> The tabbed browsing experience in the upcoming IE7 beta is pretty basic.
> Expect additional end-user functionality to come in after the beta....
>
> Some people have asked why we didn't put tabs in IE sooner. Initially, we
> had some concerns around complexity and consistency. will it confuse users
> more than it benefits them? Is it confusing if IE has tabs, but other core
> parts of the Windows experience, like Windows Media Player or the shell,
> don't have tabs? I think we made the wrong decision here initially, and
> we're making the right one now. I'd like to ask you to post a comment with
> your favorite or most critical IE add-ins. we want to make sure IE7 works
> great with them.
> </QP>
> --
> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE) & Security
>
>
>

Opinicus
07-10-2005, 12:31 AM
"PA Bear" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote

> http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/

> The tabbed browsing experience in the upcoming IE7 beta is
> pretty basic.

What is a "tabbed browsing experience"?

(And I'd appreciate an answer other than "Download Firefox
and find out for yourself".)

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C A Upsdell
07-10-2005, 12:32 AM
Opinicus wrote:
> "PA Bear" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote
>
>> http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/
>
>
>> The tabbed browsing experience in the upcoming IE7 beta is pretty basic.
>
>
> What is a "tabbed browsing experience"?
>
> (And I'd appreciate an answer other than "Download Firefox and find out
> for yourself".)

Okay, download Mozilla or Opera and find out for yourself! ;-)

PA Bear
07-10-2005, 12:32 AM
Opinicus wrote:
> "PA Bear" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote
>
> > http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/
>
> > The tabbed browsing experience in the upcoming IE7 beta is
> > pretty basic.
>
> What is a "tabbed browsing experience"?
>
> (And I'd appreciate an answer other than "Download Firefox
> and find out for yourself".)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabbed_browsing

http://www.myie2.com/html_en/tour/01interface.htm

http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/tabbed-browsing
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MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE) & Security

Lindsay
07-10-2005, 12:32 AM
I get that all the time with my software. When a user makes a request for an
option and/or feature, it goes in without question and it doesn't matter
what the default is, so long as they can change it.

As a footnote, I think I'll write an app for IE to make it tabbed. A simple
MDI would do it. Grouping taskbar buttons is fine but there is still a lot
of windows floating around on the desktop.

Opinicus
07-10-2005, 12:32 AM
"PA Bear" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote

>> > The tabbed browsing experience in the upcoming IE7 beta
>> > is
>> > pretty basic.

>> What is a "tabbed browsing experience"?

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabbed_browsing

Thanks for the link. It's pretty much what I thought it
would be.

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Kanyak's Doghouse
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Dilip
07-10-2005, 12:32 AM
It may get tabs, but it still won't be as fast as Firefox's rendering
engine. Also, extensions is something MS won't dare to implement, so FF
will still have its plus points. Throwing in tabs simply means saving the
trouble of loading Crazy Browser, MyIE, Avant, Maxthon etc. It's the engine
needs the upgrade! But that'll take time, and cost $$$$$.



"PA Bear" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> IEBlog
> http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/
>
> <QP>
> The tabbed browsing experience in the upcoming IE7 beta is pretty basic.
> Expect additional end-user functionality to come in after the beta....
>
> Some people have asked why we didn't put tabs in IE sooner. Initially, we
> had some concerns around complexity and consistency. will it confuse users
> more than it benefits them? Is it confusing if IE has tabs, but other core
> parts of the Windows experience, like Windows Media Player or the shell,
> don't have tabs? I think we made the wrong decision here initially, and
> we're making the right one now. I'd like to ask you to post a comment with
> your favorite or most critical IE add-ins. we want to make sure IE7 works
> great with them.
> </QP>
> --
> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE) & Security
>
>
>

Chas-choc
07-10-2005, 12:34 AM
"Lindsay" wrote:

> Will there be an option to have no tabs if preferred? Personally I see no
> benefit to having tabs. Or will MS do this with Explorer too? Perhaps that
> will be in Service Pack 14 with WMP24 available as a 5Gig download. ;-p

You appear to be a complete IE advocate who's never seen or used one of the
browsers which has used tabbed browsing for ages. Try it first and I
guarantee you'll see the benefits then.

NotMe
07-10-2005, 12:35 AM
I have used tabbed browsers, I hate them!!

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"Chas-choc" <Chas-choc@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> "Lindsay" wrote:
>
>> Will there be an option to have no tabs if preferred? Personally I see no
>> benefit to having tabs. Or will MS do this with Explorer too? Perhaps
>> that
>> will be in Service Pack 14 with WMP24 available as a 5Gig download. ;-p
>
> You appear to be a complete IE advocate who's never seen or used one of
> the
> browsers which has used tabbed browsing for ages. Try it first and I
> guarantee you'll see the benefits then.

GO
07-10-2005, 12:35 AM
Obviously they aren't for everyone but how long did you try them for? I
know when I first heard of them I thought it was a silly/useless idea and I
was very hesitant to even try them. But I find now that I use them in
Firefox on a regular basis I find it a royal pain to use Internet Explorer.


"NotMe" <cargod01@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I have used tabbed browsers, I hate them!!
>
> --
> A Professional Amatuer...If anyone knew it all, none of would be here!
> "Chas-choc" <Chas-choc@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:6ED66371-9FD7-46AD-8750-D3E40C64CEFC@microsoft.com...
> >
> >
> > "Lindsay" wrote:
> >
> >> Will there be an option to have no tabs if preferred? Personally I see
no
> >> benefit to having tabs. Or will MS do this with Explorer too? Perhaps
> >> that
> >> will be in Service Pack 14 with WMP24 available as a 5Gig download. ;-p
> >
> > You appear to be a complete IE advocate who's never seen or used one of
> > the
> > browsers which has used tabbed browsing for ages. Try it first and I
> > guarantee you'll see the benefits then.
>
>

DevilsPGD
07-10-2005, 12:35 AM
In message <eZ9ssIBXFHA.2684@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl> "NotMe"
<cargod01@hotmail.com> wrote:

>I have used tabbed browsers, I hate them!!

Tabbed browsers, or tabs?

The neat thing about tabs is that if you never open one, they don't
exist to you.


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Webamericas
07-10-2005, 12:36 AM
I Think Tabs Is A Great Idea,I've Tried Tabs Using Other Browser But Removed
The Browser As I Prefer Microsoft Internet Explorer Over Other Browser So I
Guess I'll Just Wait, I THink It Would Be Great If Microsoft Would Upgrade
The Internet Explorer Download Manager So It Can Pause/Resume Like The 3Rd
Party Download Managers Can ... A Must For Internet Explorer 7

Thanks Microsoft And Keep Up The Great Work



"PA Bear" wrote:

> IEBlog
> http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/
>
> <QP>
> The tabbed browsing experience in the upcoming IE7 beta is pretty basic.
> Expect additional end-user functionality to come in after the beta....
>
> Some people have asked why we didn't put tabs in IE sooner. Initially, we
> had some concerns around complexity and consistency. will it confuse users
> more than it benefits them? Is it confusing if IE has tabs, but other core
> parts of the Windows experience, like Windows Media Player or the shell, don't
> have tabs? I think we made the wrong decision here initially, and we're
> making the right one now. I'd like to ask you to post a comment with your
> favorite or most critical IE add-ins. we want to make sure IE7 works great
> with them.
> </QP>
> --
> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE) & Security
>
>
>
>

Don
07-10-2005, 01:04 AM
"PA Bear" wrote:

> IEBlog
> http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/
>
> <QP>
> The tabbed browsing experience in the upcoming IE7 beta is pretty basic.
> Expect additional end-user functionality to come in after the beta....
>
> Some people have asked why we didn't put tabs in IE sooner. Initially, we
> had some concerns around complexity and consistency. will it confuse users
> more than it benefits them? Is it confusing if IE has tabs, but other core
> parts of the Windows experience, like Windows Media Player or the shell, don't
> have tabs? I think we made the wrong decision here initially, and we're
> making the right one now. I'd like to ask you to post a comment with your
> favorite or most critical IE add-ins. we want to make sure IE7 works great
> with them.
> </QP>
> --
> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE) & Security
>
>
>
> That is very good news. I have one extra request. It's important. Please support "application/xhtml+xml" mime type in IE7 a few sites have been pointing out potential problems
http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200501/the_perils_of_using_xhtml_properly/
http://hixie.ch/advocacy/xhtml
Thank you -and sorry if this post is in the wrong place
Don


Yes, IE7 has tabs!