i would like to burn an iso version of my Win XP Pro Cd with SP2



Nycticebus
07-10-2005, 12:30 AM
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Carey Frisch [MVP]
07-10-2005, 12:30 AM
The Windows XP End-User License Agreement only permits making
an exact copy of your Windows XP CD. You cannot create an ISO
image.

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Yves Leclerc
07-10-2005, 12:30 AM
Aren't we allowed to make a updated "slipstream"ed CD of our XP CDs???


"Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
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> The Windows XP End-User License Agreement only permits making
> an exact copy of your Windows XP CD. You cannot create an ISO
> image.
>
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>
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kurttrail
07-10-2005, 12:30 AM
You have my permission to do so!

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kurttrail
07-10-2005, 12:30 AM
"Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
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> The Windows XP End-User License Agreement only permits making
> an exact copy of your Windows XP CD. You cannot create an ISO
> image.
>
> --
> Carey Frisch
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows XP - Shell/User
> Microsoft Newsgroups
>
> Get Windows XP Service Pack 2 with Advanced Security Technologies:
> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/windowsxp/choose.mspx
>

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Steve N.
07-10-2005, 12:31 AM
Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:

> The Windows XP End-User License Agreement only permits making
> an exact copy of your Windows XP CD. You cannot create an ISO
> image.
>

Liar.

Nowhere in the EULA does it specify what TYPE of backup can be made,
just that a backup can be made for archival and re-installation
purposes. ISO is just another archival/backup method and anyone that
_doesn't_ make more than ONE backup of anything important to them
(regardless of what the EULA says) is a frikkin moron. Nowhere in the
EULA is making an ISO image or any other imaging or backup technology
prohibited. If that were the case then NTBackup or any other backup
method would be illegal to use and MS would have violated it's own rules
by supplying downloadable ISOs of it's own software for evaluation purposes.

Steve

Smitty
07-10-2005, 12:31 AM
Don't 'cha just wonder who nominated him for MVP status anyway?

"Steve N." <me@here.now> wrote in message
news:A95ie.1903$Lc1.296@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
| Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
|
| > The Windows XP End-User License Agreement only permits making
| > an exact copy of your Windows XP CD. You cannot create an ISO
| > image.
| >
|
| Liar.
|
| Nowhere in the EULA does it specify what TYPE of backup can be made,
| just that a backup can be made for archival and re-installation
| purposes. ISO is just another archival/backup method and anyone that
| _doesn't_ make more than ONE backup of anything important to them
| (regardless of what the EULA says) is a frikkin moron. Nowhere in the
| EULA is making an ISO image or any other imaging or backup technology
| prohibited. If that were the case then NTBackup or any other backup
| method would be illegal to use and MS would have violated it's own rules
| by supplying downloadable ISOs of it's own software for evaluation purposes.
|
| Steve
|

T. Waters
07-10-2005, 12:31 AM
Don't expect them to identify themself.
Sometimes, Carey's advice is spot-on.
However, I get the impression it matters little to him whether it is or not.

Smitty wrote:
> Don't 'cha just wonder who nominated him for MVP status anyway?
>
> "Steve N." <me@here.now> wrote in message
> news:A95ie.1903$Lc1.296@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
>>
>>> The Windows XP End-User License Agreement only permits making
>>> an exact copy of your Windows XP CD. You cannot create an ISO
>>> image.
>>>
>>
>> Liar.
>>
>> Nowhere in the EULA does it specify what TYPE of backup can be made,
>> just that a backup can be made for archival and re-installation
>> purposes. ISO is just another archival/backup method and anyone that
>> _doesn't_ make more than ONE backup of anything important to them
>> (regardless of what the EULA says) is a frikkin moron. Nowhere in the
>> EULA is making an ISO image or any other imaging or backup technology
>> prohibited. If that were the case then NTBackup or any other backup
>> method would be illegal to use and MS would have violated it's own
>> rules
>> by supplying downloadable ISOs of it's own software for evaluation
>> purposes.
>>
>> Steve

Steve N.
07-10-2005, 12:31 AM
T. Waters wrote:

> Don't expect them to identify themself.
> Sometimes, Carey's advice is spot-on.

It would be interesting to see his ratio of right to wrong answers.
Based on what I've seen here over the past couple of years I'd estimate
it's probably close to 50/50.

> However, I get the impression it matters little to him whether it is or not.

I doubt that he cares one way or the other.

Steve

>
> Smitty wrote:
>
>>Don't 'cha just wonder who nominated him for MVP status anyway?
>>
>>"Steve N." <me@here.now> wrote in message
>>news:A95ie.1903$Lc1.296@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>
>>>Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>The Windows XP End-User License Agreement only permits making
>>>>an exact copy of your Windows XP CD. You cannot create an ISO
>>>>image.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Liar.
>>>
>>>Nowhere in the EULA does it specify what TYPE of backup can be made,
>>>just that a backup can be made for archival and re-installation
>>>purposes. ISO is just another archival/backup method and anyone that
>>>_doesn't_ make more than ONE backup of anything important to them
>>>(regardless of what the EULA says) is a frikkin moron. Nowhere in the
>>>EULA is making an ISO image or any other imaging or backup technology
>>>prohibited. If that were the case then NTBackup or any other backup
>>>method would be illegal to use and MS would have violated it's own
>>>rules
>>>by supplying downloadable ISOs of it's own software for evaluation
>>>purposes.
>>>
>>>Steve
>
>
>
>

Lori Ann Kuiper
07-10-2005, 12:31 AM
The SP2 CD Update that I ordered from Microsoft has step by step
instructions included on how to combine the service pack 2 files with the
original XP CD to make a new updated copy of the cd.
"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in message
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> You have my permission to do so!
>
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>

Steve N.
07-10-2005, 12:31 AM
T. Waters wrote:

I didn't feel like responding completely earlier. Hope you don't mind a
reprise...

> Don't expect them to identify themself.

They/he/she must be reading other newsgroups and MS channels is my
guess. He's fairly prolific as far that I've seen. That doesn't mean
he's good or very accurate, though.

I believe he got and keeps the MVP title (if he even *did* get
re-awarded this year; his name is not on the current 2005 list that I
saw, and if he *didn't* get re-awarded this year then he has no right to
sport the tag anymore) based almost completely on sheer volume of posts
containing references to MS articles, whether or not they apply to the
OP's post.

> Sometimes, Carey's advice is spot-on.

If you post enough responses in enough groups then the odds might be in
your favor.

> However, I get the impression it matters little to him whether it is or not.

All he cares about is if his search matched any keywords.

The only thing that really matters much to me is that other readers
don't believe any of the lies that a supposed MVP told them.

Carey Frisch is at best a copy/paste bot, and not a very good one
either. If he was a program I'd uninstall him do a thorough search of
the registry to delete any references to him.

Steve

>
> Smitty wrote:
>
>>Don't 'cha just wonder who nominated him for MVP status anyway?
>>
>>"Steve N." <me@here.now> wrote in message
>>news:A95ie.1903$Lc1.296@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>
>>>Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>The Windows XP End-User License Agreement only permits making
>>>>an exact copy of your Windows XP CD. You cannot create an ISO
>>>>image.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Liar.
>>>
>>>Nowhere in the EULA does it specify what TYPE of backup can be made,
>>>just that a backup can be made for archival and re-installation
>>>purposes. ISO is just another archival/backup method and anyone that
>>>_doesn't_ make more than ONE backup of anything important to them
>>>(regardless of what the EULA says) is a frikkin moron. Nowhere in the
>>>EULA is making an ISO image or any other imaging or backup technology
>>>prohibited. If that were the case then NTBackup or any other backup
>>>method would be illegal to use and MS would have violated it's own
>>>rules
>>>by supplying downloadable ISOs of it's own software for evaluation
>>>purposes.
>>>
>>>Steve
>
>
>
>

T. Waters
07-10-2005, 12:31 AM
Steve N. wrote:
> T. Waters wrote:
>
> I didn't feel like responding completely earlier. Hope you don't mind
> a reprise...
>
>> Don't expect them to identify themself.
>
> They/he/she must be reading other newsgroups and MS channels is my
> guess. He's fairly prolific as far that I've seen. That doesn't mean
> he's good or very accurate, though.
>
> I believe he got and keeps the MVP title (if he even *did* get
> re-awarded this year; his name is not on the current 2005 list that I
> saw, and if he *didn't* get re-awarded this year then he has no right
> to sport the tag anymore) based almost completely on sheer volume of
> posts containing references to MS articles, whether or not they apply
> to the OP's post.
>
>> Sometimes, Carey's advice is spot-on.
>
> If you post enough responses in enough groups then the odds might be
> in your favor.
>
>> However, I get the impression it matters little to him whether it is
>> or not.
>
> All he cares about is if his search matched any keywords.
>
> The only thing that really matters much to me is that other readers
> don't believe any of the lies that a supposed MVP told them.
>
> Carey Frisch is at best a copy/paste bot, and not a very good one
> either. If he was a program I'd uninstall him do a thorough search of
> the registry to delete any references to him.

LOL! Truthfully, he *is* malware!
The 'bot part jibes with the complete lack of remorse over giving bad/crazy
advice.
His registry contains no references to "remorse," "intuition," or even
"logic," in many cases.

>
> Steve
>
>>
>> Smitty wrote:
>>
>>> Don't 'cha just wonder who nominated him for MVP status anyway?
>>>
>>> "Steve N." <me@here.now> wrote in message
>>> news:A95ie.1903$Lc1.296@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>>
>>>> Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The Windows XP End-User License Agreement only permits making
>>>>> an exact copy of your Windows XP CD. You cannot create an ISO
>>>>> image.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Liar.
>>>>
>>>> Nowhere in the EULA does it specify what TYPE of backup can be
>>>> made, just that a backup can be made for archival and
>>>> re-installation purposes. ISO is just another archival/backup
>>>> method and anyone that _doesn't_ make more than ONE backup of
>>>> anything important to them (regardless of what the EULA says) is a
>>>> frikkin moron. Nowhere in the EULA is making an ISO image or any
>>>> other imaging or backup technology prohibited. If that were the
>>>> case then NTBackup or any other backup method would be illegal to
>>>> use and MS would have violated it's own rules
>>>> by supplying downloadable ISOs of it's own software for evaluation
>>>> purposes.
>>>>
>>>> Steve

Kelly
07-10-2005, 12:32 AM
1. Those MVP's not listed elected not to be. Doesn't mean they weren't
re-awarded.
2. I do know who nominated him.
3. As for anyone being case in point 'all of time' ....... it defers upon
interpretation, etc.

Well except for Alex, he was a god-send! :o)

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"T. Waters" <@$%$%#^@jdjgkl.com> wrote in message
news:eU9U8moWFHA.2912@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Steve N. wrote:
>> T. Waters wrote:
>>
>> I didn't feel like responding completely earlier. Hope you don't mind
>> a reprise...
>>
>>> Don't expect them to identify themself.
>>
>> They/he/she must be reading other newsgroups and MS channels is my
>> guess. He's fairly prolific as far that I've seen. That doesn't mean
>> he's good or very accurate, though.
>>
>> I believe he got and keeps the MVP title (if he even *did* get
>> re-awarded this year; his name is not on the current 2005 list that I
>> saw, and if he *didn't* get re-awarded this year then he has no right
>> to sport the tag anymore) based almost completely on sheer volume of
>> posts containing references to MS articles, whether or not they apply
>> to the OP's post.
>>
>>> Sometimes, Carey's advice is spot-on.
>>
>> If you post enough responses in enough groups then the odds might be
>> in your favor.
>>
>>> However, I get the impression it matters little to him whether it is
>>> or not.
>>
>> All he cares about is if his search matched any keywords.
>>
>> The only thing that really matters much to me is that other readers
>> don't believe any of the lies that a supposed MVP told them.
>>
>> Carey Frisch is at best a copy/paste bot, and not a very good one
>> either. If he was a program I'd uninstall him do a thorough search of
>> the registry to delete any references to him.
>
> LOL! Truthfully, he *is* malware!
> The 'bot part jibes with the complete lack of remorse over giving
> bad/crazy
> advice.
> His registry contains no references to "remorse," "intuition," or even
> "logic," in many cases.
>
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>>
>>> Smitty wrote:
>>>
>>>> Don't 'cha just wonder who nominated him for MVP status anyway?
>>>>
>>>> "Steve N." <me@here.now> wrote in message
>>>> news:A95ie.1903$Lc1.296@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>>>
>>>>> Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> The Windows XP End-User License Agreement only permits making
>>>>>> an exact copy of your Windows XP CD. You cannot create an ISO
>>>>>> image.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Liar.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nowhere in the EULA does it specify what TYPE of backup can be
>>>>> made, just that a backup can be made for archival and
>>>>> re-installation purposes. ISO is just another archival/backup
>>>>> method and anyone that _doesn't_ make more than ONE backup of
>>>>> anything important to them (regardless of what the EULA says) is a
>>>>> frikkin moron. Nowhere in the EULA is making an ISO image or any
>>>>> other imaging or backup technology prohibited. If that were the
>>>>> case then NTBackup or any other backup method would be illegal to
>>>>> use and MS would have violated it's own rules
>>>>> by supplying downloadable ISOs of it's own software for evaluation
>>>>> purposes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve
>
>
>

T. Waters
07-10-2005, 12:32 AM
I don't know...part of me thinks in this case it is sadism directed towards
innocent posters.

Kelly wrote:
> 1. Those MVP's not listed elected not to be. Doesn't mean they
> weren't re-awarded.
> 2. I do know who nominated him.
> 3. As for anyone being case in point 'all of time' ....... it defers
> upon interpretation, etc.
>
> Well except for Alex, he was a god-send! :o)
>
>
> "T. Waters" <@$%$%#^@jdjgkl.com> wrote in message
> news:eU9U8moWFHA.2912@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> Steve N. wrote:
>>> T. Waters wrote:
>>>
>>> I didn't feel like responding completely earlier. Hope you don't
>>> mind a reprise...
>>>
>>>> Don't expect them to identify themself.
>>>
>>> They/he/she must be reading other newsgroups and MS channels is my
>>> guess. He's fairly prolific as far that I've seen. That doesn't mean
>>> he's good or very accurate, though.
>>>
>>> I believe he got and keeps the MVP title (if he even *did* get
>>> re-awarded this year; his name is not on the current 2005 list that
>>> I saw, and if he *didn't* get re-awarded this year then he has no
>>> right to sport the tag anymore) based almost completely on sheer
>>> volume of posts containing references to MS articles, whether or
>>> not they apply to the OP's post.
>>>
>>>> Sometimes, Carey's advice is spot-on.
>>>
>>> If you post enough responses in enough groups then the odds might be
>>> in your favor.
>>>
>>>> However, I get the impression it matters little to him whether it
>>>> is or not.
>>>
>>> All he cares about is if his search matched any keywords.
>>>
>>> The only thing that really matters much to me is that other readers
>>> don't believe any of the lies that a supposed MVP told them.
>>>
>>> Carey Frisch is at best a copy/paste bot, and not a very good one
>>> either. If he was a program I'd uninstall him do a thorough search
>>> of the registry to delete any references to him.
>>
>> LOL! Truthfully, he *is* malware!
>> The 'bot part jibes with the complete lack of remorse over giving
>> bad/crazy
>> advice.
>> His registry contains no references to "remorse," "intuition," or
>> even "logic," in many cases.
>>
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Smitty wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Don't 'cha just wonder who nominated him for MVP status anyway?
>>>>>
>>>>> "Steve N." <me@here.now> wrote in message
>>>>> news:A95ie.1903$Lc1.296@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>>>>
>>>>>> Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Windows XP End-User License Agreement only permits making
>>>>>>> an exact copy of your Windows XP CD. You cannot create an ISO
>>>>>>> image.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Liar.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nowhere in the EULA does it specify what TYPE of backup can be
>>>>>> made, just that a backup can be made for archival and
>>>>>> re-installation purposes. ISO is just another archival/backup
>>>>>> method and anyone that _doesn't_ make more than ONE backup of
>>>>>> anything important to them (regardless of what the EULA says) is
>>>>>> a frikkin moron. Nowhere in the EULA is making an ISO image or
>>>>>> any other imaging or backup technology prohibited. If that were
>>>>>> the case then NTBackup or any other backup method would be
>>>>>> illegal to use and MS would have violated it's own rules
>>>>>> by supplying downloadable ISOs of it's own software for
>>>>>> evaluation purposes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steve

Kelly
07-10-2005, 12:32 AM
While I do have a great history here where Carey is concerned, that word
would have not even been a selective mental choice, nor fathom.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=sadism

You seem to feed off of other posters. I and others have seen this behavior
from you as of late. Other than finding another group to wonder within
...... well, will leave this sentence as is.

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Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com

Vote: Bo

"T. Waters" <@$%$%#^@jdjgkl.com> wrote in message
news:eTffBGqWFHA.2768@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>I don't know...part of me thinks in this case it is sadism directed towards
> innocent posters.
>
> Kelly wrote:
>> 1. Those MVP's not listed elected not to be. Doesn't mean they
>> weren't re-awarded.
>> 2. I do know who nominated him.
>> 3. As for anyone being case in point 'all of time' ....... it defers
>> upon interpretation, etc.
>>
>> Well except for Alex, he was a god-send! :o)
>>
>>
>> "T. Waters" <@$%$%#^@jdjgkl.com> wrote in message
>> news:eU9U8moWFHA.2912@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>> Steve N. wrote:
>>>> T. Waters wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I didn't feel like responding completely earlier. Hope you don't
>>>> mind a reprise...
>>>>
>>>>> Don't expect them to identify themself.
>>>>
>>>> They/he/she must be reading other newsgroups and MS channels is my
>>>> guess. He's fairly prolific as far that I've seen. That doesn't mean
>>>> he's good or very accurate, though.
>>>>
>>>> I believe he got and keeps the MVP title (if he even *did* get
>>>> re-awarded this year; his name is not on the current 2005 list that
>>>> I saw, and if he *didn't* get re-awarded this year then he has no
>>>> right to sport the tag anymore) based almost completely on sheer
>>>> volume of posts containing references to MS articles, whether or
>>>> not they apply to the OP's post.
>>>>
>>>>> Sometimes, Carey's advice is spot-on.
>>>>
>>>> If you post enough responses in enough groups then the odds might be
>>>> in your favor.
>>>>
>>>>> However, I get the impression it matters little to him whether it
>>>>> is or not.
>>>>
>>>> All he cares about is if his search matched any keywords.
>>>>
>>>> The only thing that really matters much to me is that other readers
>>>> don't believe any of the lies that a supposed MVP told them.
>>>>
>>>> Carey Frisch is at best a copy/paste bot, and not a very good one
>>>> either. If he was a program I'd uninstall him do a thorough search
>>>> of the registry to delete any references to him.
>>>
>>> LOL! Truthfully, he *is* malware!
>>> The 'bot part jibes with the complete lack of remorse over giving
>>> bad/crazy
>>> advice.
>>> His registry contains no references to "remorse," "intuition," or
>>> even "logic," in many cases.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Smitty wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't 'cha just wonder who nominated him for MVP status anyway?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Steve N." <me@here.now> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:A95ie.1903$Lc1.296@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Windows XP End-User License Agreement only permits making
>>>>>>>> an exact copy of your Windows XP CD. You cannot create an ISO
>>>>>>>> image.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Liar.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nowhere in the EULA does it specify what TYPE of backup can be
>>>>>>> made, just that a backup can be made for archival and
>>>>>>> re-installation purposes. ISO is just another archival/backup
>>>>>>> method and anyone that _doesn't_ make more than ONE backup of
>>>>>>> anything important to them (regardless of what the EULA says) is
>>>>>>> a frikkin moron. Nowhere in the EULA is making an ISO image or
>>>>>>> any other imaging or backup technology prohibited. If that were
>>>>>>> the case then NTBackup or any other backup method would be
>>>>>>> illegal to use and MS would have violated it's own rules
>>>>>>> by supplying downloadable ISOs of it's own software for
>>>>>>> evaluation purposes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Steve
>
>
>

Michael Stevens
07-10-2005, 12:32 AM
In news:he8ie.2033$Lc1.1237@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net,
Steve N. <me@here.now> replied with a ;-)
> T. Waters wrote:
>
>> Don't expect them to identify themself.
>> Sometimes, Carey's advice is spot-on.
>
> It would be interesting to see his ratio of right to wrong answers.
> Based on what I've seen here over the past couple of years I'd
> estimate it's probably close to 50/50.
>
>> However, I get the impression it matters little to him whether it is
>> or not.
>
> I doubt that he cares one way or the other.
>
> Steve
>

I would say from my observation his positive average is much higher than 50%
and I would think he does care about being helpful. He does not in my
observation post harmful replies to questions.
In the instance of this thread, he is wrong with his reply and contridicts
his own replies when asked what to do when
Setup cannot continue because.....newer...version is detected. He recommends
creating a slipstreamed XP CD.
Go figure, none of us are perfect, but it helps when we acknowlodge when we
are wrong.
Carey does not do this and this seems to infuriate the regular newsgroup
participants.

Setup cannot continue because.....newer...version
#29 on the FAQ list.
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/xpfaq.html

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>>
>> Smitty wrote:
>>
>>> Don't 'cha just wonder who nominated him for MVP status anyway?
>>>
>>> "Steve N." <me@here.now> wrote in message
>>> news:A95ie.1903$Lc1.296@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>>
>>>> Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The Windows XP End-User License Agreement only permits making
>>>>> an exact copy of your Windows XP CD. You cannot create an ISO
>>>>> image.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Liar.
>>>>
>>>> Nowhere in the EULA does it specify what TYPE of backup can be
>>>> made, just that a backup can be made for archival and
>>>> re-installation purposes. ISO is just another archival/backup
>>>> method and anyone that _doesn't_ make more than ONE backup of
>>>> anything important to them (regardless of what the EULA says) is a
>>>> frikkin moron. Nowhere in the EULA is making an ISO image or any
>>>> other imaging or backup technology prohibited. If that were the
>>>> case then NTBackup or any other backup method would be illegal to
>>>> use and MS would have violated it's own rules
>>>> by supplying downloadable ISOs of it's own software for evaluation
>>>> purposes.
>>>>
>>>> Steve

Michael Stevens
07-10-2005, 12:32 AM
In news:eTffBGqWFHA.2768@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl,
T. Waters <@$%$%#^@jdjgkl.com> replied with a ;-)
> I don't know...part of me thinks in this case it is sadism directed
> towards innocent posters.
>

Very wrong, I see none of his posts being harmful. See my other reply in
this thread. When Carey posts wrong info, the only harm it creates is
usually offset by introducing the OP to a venue of information they never
knew existed.
He has flaws, but his help to harm ratio is far weighted into the help part
of the ratio. Also you must admire his ability to completely ignore all
derogatory comments towards him. Some of "us" in the peer group should
follow his example, I am sure it would cut down on the noise level of OT
posts. LOL

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> Kelly wrote:
>> 1. Those MVP's not listed elected not to be. Doesn't mean they
>> weren't re-awarded.
>> 2. I do know who nominated him.
>> 3. As for anyone being case in point 'all of time' ....... it defers
>> upon interpretation, etc.
>>
>> Well except for Alex, he was a god-send! :o)
>>
>>
>> "T. Waters" <@$%$%#^@jdjgkl.com> wrote in message
>> news:eU9U8moWFHA.2912@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>> Steve N. wrote:
>>>> T. Waters wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I didn't feel like responding completely earlier. Hope you don't
>>>> mind a reprise...
>>>>
>>>>> Don't expect them to identify themself.
>>>>
>>>> They/he/she must be reading other newsgroups and MS channels is my
>>>> guess. He's fairly prolific as far that I've seen. That doesn't
>>>> mean he's good or very accurate, though.
>>>>
>>>> I believe he got and keeps the MVP title (if he even *did* get
>>>> re-awarded this year; his name is not on the current 2005 list that
>>>> I saw, and if he *didn't* get re-awarded this year then he has no
>>>> right to sport the tag anymore) based almost completely on sheer
>>>> volume of posts containing references to MS articles, whether or
>>>> not they apply to the OP's post.
>>>>
>>>>> Sometimes, Carey's advice is spot-on.
>>>>
>>>> If you post enough responses in enough groups then the odds might
>>>> be in your favor.
>>>>
>>>>> However, I get the impression it matters little to him whether it
>>>>> is or not.
>>>>
>>>> All he cares about is if his search matched any keywords.
>>>>
>>>> The only thing that really matters much to me is that other readers
>>>> don't believe any of the lies that a supposed MVP told them.
>>>>
>>>> Carey Frisch is at best a copy/paste bot, and not a very good one
>>>> either. If he was a program I'd uninstall him do a thorough search
>>>> of the registry to delete any references to him.
>>>
>>> LOL! Truthfully, he *is* malware!
>>> The 'bot part jibes with the complete lack of remorse over giving
>>> bad/crazy
>>> advice.
>>> His registry contains no references to "remorse," "intuition," or
>>> even "logic," in many cases.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Smitty wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't 'cha just wonder who nominated him for MVP status anyway?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Steve N." <me@here.now> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:A95ie.1903$Lc1.296@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Windows XP End-User License Agreement only permits making
>>>>>>>> an exact copy of your Windows XP CD. You cannot create an ISO
>>>>>>>> image.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Liar.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nowhere in the EULA does it specify what TYPE of backup can be
>>>>>>> made, just that a backup can be made for archival and
>>>>>>> re-installation purposes. ISO is just another archival/backup
>>>>>>> method and anyone that _doesn't_ make more than ONE backup of
>>>>>>> anything important to them (regardless of what the EULA says) is
>>>>>>> a frikkin moron. Nowhere in the EULA is making an ISO image or
>>>>>>> any other imaging or backup technology prohibited. If that were
>>>>>>> the case then NTBackup or any other backup method would be
>>>>>>> illegal to use and MS would have violated it's own rules
>>>>>>> by supplying downloadable ISOs of it's own software for
>>>>>>> evaluation purposes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Steve

kurttrail
07-10-2005, 12:32 AM
Michael Stevens wrote:
> In news:he8ie.2033$Lc1.1237@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net,
> Steve N. <me@here.now> replied with a ;-)
>> T. Waters wrote:
>>
>>> Don't expect them to identify themself.
>>> Sometimes, Carey's advice is spot-on.
>>
>> It would be interesting to see his ratio of right to wrong answers.
>> Based on what I've seen here over the past couple of years I'd
>> estimate it's probably close to 50/50.
>>
>>> However, I get the impression it matters little to him whether it is
>>> or not.
>>
>> I doubt that he cares one way or the other.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>
> I would say from my observation his positive average is much higher
> than 50% and I would think he does care about being helpful. He does
> not in my observation post harmful replies to questions.
> In the instance of this thread, he is wrong with his reply and
> contridicts his own replies when asked what to do when
> Setup cannot continue because.....newer...version is detected. He
> recommends creating a slipstreamed XP CD.
> Go figure, none of us are perfect, but it helps when we acknowlodge
> when we are wrong.
> Carey does not do this and this seems to infuriate the regular
> newsgroup participants.
>
> Setup cannot continue because.....newer...version
> #29 on the FAQ list.
> http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/xpfaq.html

Whether under, over, or right at 50% inaccuracy, his inaccuracy batting
average is probably the worst [highest] of any MVP ever. And his
inaccuracy rate was very noticable before ever becoming a MVP! I'd bet
if you take the two most inaccurate MVPs, next to Carey, and add their
innaccuracy rates together, Carey would still beat them out by a
considerable margin.

Add on top of it all, as you mentioned, that Carey has a problem with
taking responsibility for his inaccurate answers by admitting his
mistakes, and Carey really doesn't deserve to be an MVP in the eyes of
many.

Hell, I go so far as calling for the removal of the idiot that nominated
him, in the first place, as Carey should never have been nominated.

--
Peace!
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Steve N.
07-10-2005, 12:32 AM
Michael Stevens wrote:
> In news:eTffBGqWFHA.2768@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl,
> T. Waters <@$%$%#^@jdjgkl.com> replied with a ;-)
>
>>I don't know...part of me thinks in this case it is sadism directed
>>towards innocent posters.
>>
>
>
> Very wrong, I see none of his posts being harmful.

I do but I don't think he's sadistic in his intent.

Advising someone to buy a new copy of an OS they do not need is harmful.

Posting a link to how to do a repair install or clean install when all
the poster may need is a good OS cleanup is harmful.

Telling someone the EULA forbids making an ISO of a slipstreamed OS
install CD is harmful if that is exactly what they need to do in order
to solve a problem.

> See my other reply in
> this thread. When Carey posts wrong info, the only harm it creates is
> usually offset by introducing the OP to a venue of information they never
> knew existed.

Irrelevant information is not helpful and can contribute to the
frustration many posters already have over their problems. I see that as
harmful.

> He has flaws, but his help to harm ratio is far weighted into the help part
> of the ratio. Also you must admire his ability to completely ignore all
> derogatory comments towards him.

All the comments and corrections should be a wake up call for him. He
has blinders on and has admitted as much in the past. He's also admitted
that it is the insulting and derogatory comments that get his attention,
so they do serve a potential puprose.

> Some of "us" in the peer group should
> follow his example, I am sure it would cut down on the noise level of OT
> posts. LOL
>

I don't consider correcting mis-information to be OT and generally I try
not to be derogatory about it. Once in a while I am, but for good reason
IMO or I wouldn't do it.

Steve

Steve N.
07-10-2005, 12:32 AM
Michael Stevens wrote:

> In news:he8ie.2033$Lc1.1237@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net,
> Steve N. <me@here.now> replied with a ;-)
>
>>T. Waters wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Don't expect them to identify themself.
>>>Sometimes, Carey's advice is spot-on.
>>
>>It would be interesting to see his ratio of right to wrong answers.
>>Based on what I've seen here over the past couple of years I'd
>>estimate it's probably close to 50/50.
>>
>>
>>>However, I get the impression it matters little to him whether it is
>>>or not.
>>
>>I doubt that he cares one way or the other.
>>
>>Steve
>>
>
>
> I would say from my observation his positive average is much higher than 50%
> and I would think he does care about being helpful. He does not in my
> observation post harmful replies to questions.
> In the instance of this thread, he is wrong with his reply and contridicts
> his own replies when asked what to do when
> Setup cannot continue because.....newer...version is detected. He recommends
> creating a slipstreamed XP CD.
> Go figure, none of us are perfect, but it helps when we acknowlodge when we
> are wrong.
> Carey does not do this and this seems to infuriate the regular newsgroup
> participants.

It doesn't infuriate me, but I can see how that could be assumed. I use
less than nice words with him at times because that's about the only way
to get his attention (if even that does), besides, sometimes he *is*
being exactly what he is being called.

As far as never admitting when he's wrong, that is a character flaw and
shows his lack of respect for the group.

Steve

>
> Setup cannot continue because.....newer...version
> #29 on the FAQ list.
> http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/xpfaq.html
>

T. Waters
07-10-2005, 12:32 AM
Part of me still feels Carey has a sadistic side, but that is just an
emotional reaction.
In fact, it is just machine-like callousness to the world around him.
This is what annoyed many people about Quintin, yet he shines in my
estimation for finally getting the message, and I hope he is lurking and
learning.
Carey, on the other hand, while perhaps an intelligent person, has an almost
Asperger-like insensitivity to feedback and consistently misreads posts. Has
anyone noticed any improvement in his posts over the years? At all?

Michael Stevens wrote:
> In news:eTffBGqWFHA.2768@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl,
> T. Waters <@$%$%#^@jdjgkl.com> replied with a ;-)
>> I don't know...part of me thinks in this case it is sadism directed
>> towards innocent posters.
>>
>
> Very wrong, I see none of his posts being harmful. See my other reply
> in this thread. When Carey posts wrong info, the only harm it creates
> is usually offset by introducing the OP to a venue of information
> they never knew existed.
> He has flaws, but his help to harm ratio is far weighted into the
> help part of the ratio. Also you must admire his ability to
> completely ignore all derogatory comments towards him. Some of "us"
> in the peer group should follow his example, I am sure it would cut
> down on the noise level of OT posts. LOL
>
>
>> Kelly wrote:
>>> 1. Those MVP's not listed elected not to be. Doesn't mean they
>>> weren't re-awarded.
>>> 2. I do know who nominated him.
>>> 3. As for anyone being case in point 'all of time' ....... it defers
>>> upon interpretation, etc.
>>>
>>> Well except for Alex, he was a god-send! :o)
>>>
>>>
>>> "T. Waters" <@$%$%#^@jdjgkl.com> wrote in message
>>> news:eU9U8moWFHA.2912@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>>> Steve N. wrote:
>>>>> T. Waters wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't feel like responding completely earlier. Hope you don't
>>>>> mind a reprise...
>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't expect them to identify themself.
>>>>>
>>>>> They/he/she must be reading other newsgroups and MS channels is my
>>>>> guess. He's fairly prolific as far that I've seen. That doesn't
>>>>> mean he's good or very accurate, though.
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe he got and keeps the MVP title (if he even *did* get
>>>>> re-awarded this year; his name is not on the current 2005 list
>>>>> that I saw, and if he *didn't* get re-awarded this year then he
>>>>> has no right to sport the tag anymore) based almost completely on
>>>>> sheer volume of posts containing references to MS articles,
>>>>> whether or not they apply to the OP's post.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sometimes, Carey's advice is spot-on.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you post enough responses in enough groups then the odds might
>>>>> be in your favor.
>>>>>
>>>>>> However, I get the impression it matters little to him whether it
>>>>>> is or not.
>>>>>
>>>>> All he cares about is if his search matched any keywords.
>>>>>
>>>>> The only thing that really matters much to me is that other
>>>>> readers don't believe any of the lies that a supposed MVP told
>>>>> them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Carey Frisch is at best a copy/paste bot, and not a very good one
>>>>> either. If he was a program I'd uninstall him do a thorough search
>>>>> of the registry to delete any references to him.
>>>>
>>>> LOL! Truthfully, he *is* malware!
>>>> The 'bot part jibes with the complete lack of remorse over giving
>>>> bad/crazy
>>>> advice.
>>>> His registry contains no references to "remorse," "intuition," or
>>>> even "logic," in many cases.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Smitty wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't 'cha just wonder who nominated him for MVP status anyway?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Steve N." <me@here.now> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:A95ie.1903$Lc1.296@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Windows XP End-User License Agreement only permits making
>>>>>>>>> an exact copy of your Windows XP CD. You cannot create an ISO
>>>>>>>>> image.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Liar.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nowhere in the EULA does it specify what TYPE of backup can be
>>>>>>>> made, just that a backup can be made for archival and
>>>>>>>> re-installation purposes. ISO is just another archival/backup
>>>>>>>> method and anyone that _doesn't_ make more than ONE backup of
>>>>>>>> anything important to them (regardless of what the EULA says)
>>>>>>>> is a frikkin moron. Nowhere in the EULA is making an ISO image
>>>>>>>> or any other imaging or backup technology prohibited. If that
>>>>>>>> were the case then NTBackup or any other backup method would be
>>>>>>>> illegal to use and MS would have violated it's own rules
>>>>>>>> by supplying downloadable ISOs of it's own software for
>>>>>>>> evaluation purposes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Steve

T. Waters
07-10-2005, 12:32 AM
kurttrail wrote:
> Michael Stevens wrote:
>> In news:he8ie.2033$Lc1.1237@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net,
>> Steve N. <me@here.now> replied with a ;-)
>>> T. Waters wrote:
>>>
>>>> Don't expect them to identify themself.
>>>> Sometimes, Carey's advice is spot-on.
>>>
>>> It would be interesting to see his ratio of right to wrong answers.
>>> Based on what I've seen here over the past couple of years I'd
>>> estimate it's probably close to 50/50.
>>>
>>>> However, I get the impression it matters little to him whether it
>>>> is or not.
>>>
>>> I doubt that he cares one way or the other.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>
>> I would say from my observation his positive average is much higher
>> than 50% and I would think he does care about being helpful. He does
>> not in my observation post harmful replies to questions.
>> In the instance of this thread, he is wrong with his reply and
>> contridicts his own replies when asked what to do when
>> Setup cannot continue because.....newer...version is detected. He
>> recommends creating a slipstreamed XP CD.
>> Go figure, none of us are perfect, but it helps when we acknowlodge
>> when we are wrong.
>> Carey does not do this and this seems to infuriate the regular
>> newsgroup participants.
>>
>> Setup cannot continue because.....newer...version
>> #29 on the FAQ list.
>> http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/xpfaq.html
>
> Whether under, over, or right at 50% inaccuracy, his inaccuracy
> batting average is probably the worst [highest] of any MVP ever. And
> his inaccuracy rate was very noticable before ever becoming a MVP!
> I'd bet if you take the two most inaccurate MVPs, next to Carey, and
> add their innaccuracy rates together, Carey would still beat them out
> by a considerable margin.
>
> Add on top of it all, as you mentioned, that Carey has a problem with
> taking responsibility for his inaccurate answers by admitting his
> mistakes, and Carey really doesn't deserve to be an MVP in the eyes of
> many.
>
> Hell, I go so far as calling for the removal of the idiot that
> nominated him, in the first place, as Carey should never have been
> nominated.

When occasional posters have an inaccuracy approaching 50%, or even 30%, I
give their posts no credit. Most MVP's are accurate in the high 90's, and a
few approach 100%. How can even 20% inaccuracy be seen as acceptable in an
MVP, particularly when they NEVER acknowlege or accept a correction to their
post, and continue posting identical drivel over and over again? For people
going through the archives, this will create ambiguity for years to come as
to who is right. In my opinion, Carey wastes the time of others who have to
criticize his posts constantly in order to keep the thread from creating
confusion.
I have no idea what motivates people to dispense "help" that has a high
likelihood of doing no good (or worse), but I deplore this behavior.
Interesting how the most accurate MVP's are the first to acknowledge
criticism of their advice.

Steve N.
07-10-2005, 12:32 AM
T. Waters wrote:
> Part of me still feels Carey has a sadistic side, but that is just an
> emotional reaction.
> In fact, it is just machine-like callousness to the world around him.
> This is what annoyed many people about Quintin, yet he shines in my
> estimation for finally getting the message, and I hope he is lurking and
> learning.
> Carey, on the other hand, while perhaps an intelligent person, has an almost
> Asperger-like insensitivity to feedback and consistently misreads posts. Has
> anyone noticed any improvement in his posts over the years? At all?

Yes, but only after days of relentlessly hammering on him, and only
short-lived improvement.

Steve

>
> Michael Stevens wrote:
>
>>In news:eTffBGqWFHA.2768@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl,
>>T. Waters <@$%$%#^@jdjgkl.com> replied with a ;-)
>>
>>>I don't know...part of me thinks in this case it is sadism directed
>>>towards innocent posters.
>>>
>>
>>Very wrong, I see none of his posts being harmful. See my other reply
>>in this thread. When Carey posts wrong info, the only harm it creates
>>is usually offset by introducing the OP to a venue of information
>>they never knew existed.
>>He has flaws, but his help to harm ratio is far weighted into the
>>help part of the ratio. Also you must admire his ability to
>>completely ignore all derogatory comments towards him. Some of "us"
>>in the peer group should follow his example, I am sure it would cut
>>down on the noise level of OT posts. LOL
>>
>>
>>
>>>Kelly wrote:
>>>
>>>>1. Those MVP's not listed elected not to be. Doesn't mean they
>>>>weren't re-awarded.
>>>>2. I do know who nominated him.
>>>>3. As for anyone being case in point 'all of time' ....... it defers
>>>>upon interpretation, etc.
>>>>
>>>>Well except for Alex, he was a god-send! :o)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"T. Waters" <@$%$%#^@jdjgkl.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:eU9U8moWFHA.2912@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>>>Steve N. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>T. Waters wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I didn't feel like responding completely earlier. Hope you don't
>>>>>>mind a reprise...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Don't expect them to identify themself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>They/he/she must be reading other newsgroups and MS channels is my
>>>>>>guess. He's fairly prolific as far that I've seen. That doesn't
>>>>>>mean he's good or very accurate, though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I believe he got and keeps the MVP title (if he even *did* get
>>>>>>re-awarded this year; his name is not on the current 2005 list
>>>>>>that I saw, and if he *didn't* get re-awarded this year then he
>>>>>>has no right to sport the tag anymore) based almost completely on
>>>>>>sheer volume of posts containing references to MS articles,
>>>>>>whether or not they apply to the OP's post.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Sometimes, Carey's advice is spot-on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If you post enough responses in enough groups then the odds might
>>>>>>be in your favor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>However, I get the impression it matters little to him whether it
>>>>>>>is or not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>All he cares about is if his search matched any keywords.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The only thing that really matters much to me is that other
>>>>>>readers don't believe any of the lies that a supposed MVP told
>>>>>>them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Carey Frisch is at best a copy/paste bot, and not a very good one
>>>>>>either. If he was a program I'd uninstall him do a thorough search
>>>>>>of the registry to delete any references to him.
>>>>>
>>>>>LOL! Truthfully, he *is* malware!
>>>>>The 'bot part jibes with the complete lack of remorse over giving
>>>>>bad/crazy
>>>>>advice.
>>>>>His registry contains no references to "remorse," "intuition," or
>>>>>even "logic," in many cases.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Steve
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Smitty wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Don't 'cha just wonder who nominated him for MVP status anyway?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Steve N." <me@here.now> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:A95ie.1903$Lc1.296@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>The Windows XP End-User License Agreement only permits making
>>>>>>>>>>an exact copy of your Windows XP CD. You cannot create an ISO
>>>>>>>>>>image.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Liar.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Nowhere in the EULA does it specify what TYPE of backup can be
>>>>>>>>>made, just that a backup can be made for archival and
>>>>>>>>>re-installation purposes. ISO is just another archival/backup
>>>>>>>>>method and anyone that _doesn't_ make more than ONE backup of
>>>>>>>>>anything important to them (regardless of what the EULA says)
>>>>>>>>>is a frikkin moron. Nowhere in the EULA is making an ISO image
>>>>>>>>>or any other imaging or backup technology prohibited. If that
>>>>>>>>>were the case then NTBackup or any other backup method would be
>>>>>>>>>illegal to use and MS would have violated it's own rules
>>>>>>>>>by supplying downloadable ISOs of it's own software for
>>>>>>>>>evaluation purposes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Steve
>
>
>
>

T. Waters
07-10-2005, 12:32 AM
Steve N. wrote:
> T. Waters wrote:
>> Part of me still feels Carey has a sadistic side, but that is just an
>> emotional reaction.
>> In fact, it is just machine-like callousness to the world around him.
>> This is what annoyed many people about Quintin, yet he shines in my
>> estimation for finally getting the message, and I hope he is lurking
>> and learning.
>> Carey, on the other hand, while perhaps an intelligent person, has
>> an almost Asperger-like insensitivity to feedback and consistently
>> misreads posts. Has anyone noticed any improvement in his posts over
>> the years? At all?
>
> Yes, but only after days of relentlessly hammering on him, and only
> short-lived improvement.
>
> Steve

As I mentioned in another post, Carey wastes the timeof others, while
spending very little of his own.
It is no trouble at all for an individual to dash off the first
ill-conceived thought that comes to mind upon reading a post. It takes a
minute or less. The real work is done by others, afterwards.


>
>>
>> Michael Stevens wrote:
>>
>>> In news:eTffBGqWFHA.2768@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl,
>>> T. Waters <@$%$%#^@jdjgkl.com> replied with a ;-)
>>>
>>>> I don't know...part of me thinks in this case it is sadism directed
>>>> towards innocent posters.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Very wrong, I see none of his posts being harmful. See my other
>>> reply in this thread. When Carey posts wrong info, the only harm it
>>> creates is usually offset by introducing the OP to a venue of
>>> information they never knew existed.
>>> He has flaws, but his help to harm ratio is far weighted into the
>>> help part of the ratio. Also you must admire his ability to
>>> completely ignore all derogatory comments towards him. Some of "us"
>>> in the peer group should follow his example, I am sure it would cut
>>> down on the noise level of OT posts. LOL
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Kelly wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 1. Those MVP's not listed elected not to be. Doesn't mean they
>>>>> weren't re-awarded.
>>>>> 2. I do know who nominated him.
>>>>> 3. As for anyone being case in point 'all of time' ....... it
>>>>> defers upon interpretation, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well except for Alex, he was a god-send! :o)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "T. Waters" <@$%$%#^@jdjgkl.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:eU9U8moWFHA.2912@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>>>>
>>>>>> Steve N. wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> T. Waters wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I didn't feel like responding completely earlier. Hope you don't
>>>>>>> mind a reprise...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Don't expect them to identify themself.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They/he/she must be reading other newsgroups and MS channels is
>>>>>>> my guess. He's fairly prolific as far that I've seen. That
>>>>>>> doesn't mean he's good or very accurate, though.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I believe he got and keeps the MVP title (if he even *did* get
>>>>>>> re-awarded this year; his name is not on the current 2005 list
>>>>>>> that I saw, and if he *didn't* get re-awarded this year then he
>>>>>>> has no right to sport the tag anymore) based almost completely
>>>>>>> on sheer volume of posts containing references to MS articles,
>>>>>>> whether or not they apply to the OP's post.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sometimes, Carey's advice is spot-on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you post enough responses in enough groups then the odds
>>>>>>> might be in your favor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> However, I get the impression it matters little to him whether
>>>>>>>> it is or not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All he cares about is if his search matched any keywords.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The only thing that really matters much to me is that other
>>>>>>> readers don't believe any of the lies that a supposed MVP told
>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Carey Frisch is at best a copy/paste bot, and not a very good
>>>>>>> one either. If he was a program I'd uninstall him do a thorough
>>>>>>> search of the registry to delete any references to him.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LOL! Truthfully, he *is* malware!
>>>>>> The 'bot part jibes with the complete lack of remorse over giving
>>>>>> bad/crazy
>>>>>> advice.
>>>>>> His registry contains no references to "remorse," "intuition," or
>>>>>> even "logic," in many cases.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Smitty wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Don't 'cha just wonder who nominated him for MVP status
>>>>>>>>> anyway?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Steve N." <me@here.now> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:A95ie.1903$Lc1.296@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The Windows XP End-User License Agreement only permits
>>>>>>>>>>> making an exact copy of your Windows XP CD. You cannot
>>>>>>>>>>> create an ISO image.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Liar.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nowhere in the EULA does it specify what TYPE of backup can
>>>>>>>>>> be made, just that a backup can be made for archival and
>>>>>>>>>> re-installation purposes. ISO is just another archival/backup
>>>>>>>>>> method and anyone that _doesn't_ make more than ONE backup of
>>>>>>>>>> anything important to them (regardless of what the EULA says)
>>>>>>>>>> is a frikkin moron. Nowhere in the EULA is making an ISO
>>>>>>>>>> image or any other imaging or backup technology prohibited.
>>>>>>>>>> If that were the case then NTBackup or any other backup
>>>>>>>>>> method would be illegal to use and MS would have violated
>>>>>>>>>> it's own rules
>>>>>>>>>> by supplying downloadable ISOs of it's own software for
>>>>>>>>>> evaluation purposes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Steve

Smitty
07-10-2005, 12:32 AM
Ahaa! It was you.

"Kelly" <kelly@mvps.org> wrote in message
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| 2. I do know who nominated him.

|
| --
|
| All the Best,
| Kelly (MS-MVP)
|
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|
|
| "T. Waters" <@$%$%#^@jdjgkl.com> wrote in message
| news:eU9U8moWFHA.2912@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
| > Steve N. wrote:
| >> T. Waters wrote:
| >>
| >> I didn't feel like responding completely earlier. Hope you don't mind
| >> a reprise...
| >>
| >>> Don't expect them to identify themself.
| >>
| >> They/he/she must be reading other newsgroups and MS channels is my
| >> guess. He's fairly prolific as far that I've seen. That doesn't mean
| >> he's good or very accurate, though.
| >>
| >> I believe he got and keeps the MVP title (if he even *did* get
| >> re-awarded this year; his name is not on the current 2005 list that I
| >> saw, and if he *didn't* get re-awarded this year then he has no right
| >> to sport the tag anymore) based almost completely on sheer volume of
| >> posts containing references to MS articles, whether or not they apply
| >> to the OP's post.
| >>
| >>> Sometimes, Carey's advice is spot-on.
| >>
| >> If you post enough responses in enough groups then the odds might be
| >> in your favor.
| >>
| >>> However, I get the impression it matters little to him whether it is
| >>> or not.
| >>
| >> All he cares about is if his search matched any keywords.
| >>
| >> The only thing that really matters much to me is that other readers
| >> don't believe any of the lies that a supposed MVP told them.
| >>
| >> Carey Frisch is at best a copy/paste bot, and not a very good one
| >> either. If he was a program I'd uninstall him do a thorough search of
| >> the registry to delete any references to him.
| >
| > LOL! Truthfully, he *is* malware!
| > The 'bot part jibes with the complete lack of remorse over giving
| > bad/crazy
| > advice.
| > His registry contains no references to "remorse," "intuition," or even
| > "logic," in many cases.
| >
| >>
| >> Steve
| >>
| >>>
| >>> Smitty wrote:
| >>>
| >>>> Don't 'cha just wonder who nominated him for MVP status anyway?
| >>>>
| >>>> "Steve N." <me@here.now> wrote in message
| >>>> news:A95ie.1903$Lc1.296@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
| >>>>
| >>>>> Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
| >>>>>
| >>>>>
| >>>>>> The Windows XP End-User License Agreement only permits making
| >>>>>> an exact copy of your Windows XP CD. You cannot create an ISO
| >>>>>> image.
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>
| >>>>> Liar.
| >>>>>
| >>>>> Nowhere in the EULA does it specify what TYPE of backup can be
| >>>>> made, just that a backup can be made for archival and
| >>>>> re-installation purposes. ISO is just another archival/backup
| >>>>> method and anyone that _doesn't_ make more than ONE backup of
| >>>>> anything important to them (regardless of what the EULA says) is a
| >>>>> frikkin moron. Nowhere in the EULA is making an ISO image or any
| >>>>> other imaging or backup technology prohibited. If that were the
| >>>>> case then NTBackup or any other backup method would be illegal to
| >>>>> use and MS would have violated it's own rules
| >>>>> by supplying downloadable ISOs of it's own software for evaluation
| >>>>> purposes.
| >>>>>
| >>>>> Steve
| >
| >
| >
|
|

kurttrail
07-10-2005, 12:32 AM
T. Waters wrote:

<snip>

> Has anyone noticed any improvement in his posts over
> the years? At all?

I have to concur with Steve. Any inprovement was due to teethpulling
and was short-lived.

I personally believe Carey's error rate is due to not caring enough
about people to take the time to read and understand their posts. He
cares more about the title than his fellow human beings.

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Steve N.
07-10-2005, 12:34 AM
Kelly wrote:

> 1. Those MVP's not listed elected not to be. Doesn't mean they weren't
> re-awarded.

That doesn't make much sense to me that you'd request you not be listed
in the website but still sport the tag, I'm sure you have your reasons
but I can't imagine what they are.

> 2. I do know who nominated him.

Ok, I'll bite. Who?

> 3. As for anyone being case in point 'all of time' ....... it defers upon
> interpretation, etc.

No one is right all the time. That's not the issue. The issue is when we
are wrong and corrected we should be honest and mature enough to admit
it, learn from it and change. Carey doesn't and I and others not only
see it as a character flaw but betrays his lack of respect for the group
as a whole.

>
> Well except for Alex, he was a god-send! :o)
>

Can't argue with that, but I wouldn't have him cannonized just yet ;).
He was that way because he was an honest man, and if he was ever wrong
(not that I ever saw him be wrong) I'm sure he copped to it.

Steve

Kelly
07-10-2005, 12:35 AM
I hear you, Steve and agree to a point. Carey is not a carry through MVP
for the long haul and has never been. But one would assume that he means
well. That said for the time being, ignore and/or correct his posts as need
be and will point this thread and issue to the proper hands.

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"Steve N." <Steve_N@nunya.biz.nes> wrote in message
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> Kelly wrote:
>
>> 1. Those MVP's not listed elected not to be. Doesn't mean they weren't
>> re-awarded.
>
> That doesn't make much sense to me that you'd request you not be listed in
> the website but still sport the tag, I'm sure you have your reasons but I
> can't imagine what they are.
>
>> 2. I do know who nominated him.
>
> Ok, I'll bite. Who?
>
>> 3. As for anyone being case in point 'all of time' ....... it defers upon
>> interpretation, etc.
>
> No one is right all the time. That's not the issue. The issue is when we
> are wrong and corrected we should be honest and mature enough to admit it,
> learn from it and change. Carey doesn't and I and others not only see it
> as a character flaw but betrays his lack of respect for the group as a
> whole.
>
>>
>> Well except for Alex, he was a god-send! :o)
>>
>
> Can't argue with that, but I wouldn't have him cannonized just yet ;). He
> was that way because he was an honest man, and if he was ever wrong (not
> that I ever saw him be wrong) I'm sure he copped to it.
>
> Steve

Steve N.
07-10-2005, 12:35 AM
Kelly wrote:

> I hear you, Steve and agree to a point. Carey is not a carry through MVP
> for the long haul and has never been. But one would assume that he means
> well. That said for the time being, ignore and/or correct his posts as need
> be and will point this thread and issue to the proper hands.
>

Thank you Kelly.

Steve

kurttrail
07-10-2005, 12:35 AM
Kelly wrote:
> I hear you, Steve and agree to a point. Carey is not a carry through
> MVP for the long haul and has never been. But one would assume that
> he means well. That said for the time being, ignore and/or correct
> his posts as need be and will point this thread and issue to the
> proper hands.

One would assume he meant well, until he ignores the same criticism,
over and over and over again. Then the presumption leans towards that
of Carey not really meaning well.

And you didn't answer the question of Steve's that I most wanted to
read! And no, not who nominated Carey. I like having that mystery!

But rather, why you chose not to be listed as a MVP? ;-)

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Armin
07-10-2005, 12:35 AM
kurttrail wrote:
>
> And no, not who nominated Carey. I like having that mystery!

Come on Kurt, fess up... we all know it's YOU who nominated him just so
you wouldn't lose your favourite (and almost too easy) target of
antagonism. ;-)

No wonder you want to keep it a mystery!

Armin

kurttrail
07-10-2005, 12:35 AM
Armin wrote:
> kurttrail wrote:
>>
>> And no, not who nominated Carey. I like having that mystery!
>
> Come on Kurt, fess up... we all know it's YOU who nominated him just
> so you wouldn't lose your favourite (and almost too easy) target of
> antagonism. ;-)
>
> No wonder you want to keep it a mystery!
>
> Armin

ROFL! I wish I had that devious of a mind. ;-)

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Kelly
07-10-2005, 12:37 AM
Most welcome, Steve and I can understand your concern. However, Carey may
have earned his credits elsewhere for the most part and that should be kept
within consideration.

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"Steve N." <Steve_N@nunya.biz.nes> wrote in message
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> Kelly wrote:
>
>> I hear you, Steve and agree to a point. Carey is not a carry through MVP
>> for the long haul and has never been. But one would assume that he means
>> well. That said for the time being, ignore and/or correct his posts as
>> need be and will point this thread and issue to the proper hands.
>>
>
> Thank you Kelly.
>
> Steve

Kelly
07-10-2005, 12:37 AM
Hi Kurt,

Much food for thought. Hopefully, Carey has the time to read all of this.
If not, that could be the reason why he just makes a few replies and then
runs. I am not familiar with his personal life nor agenda.

Speaking for myself, I just haven't had the time to commit here as normal as
of late due to the increase of my helping others in our tri-parish
community. Perhaps, Carey gives of himself as well. Dunno for sure. :o)

As for the non-question: Will leave you within that mystery. :o)
As for the real question: I am listed.

What has happened this past award cycle due to other country(ies) added
members, the list had to be changed due to privacy issues. And within doing
so, by default MVP's were listed only viewable to other MVP's unless opting
to be made public, in which I am now.

Sheesh, too much to keep up with at times. :o) So thanks again Steve and
yourself for the question. That said, trust me, I having nothing to hide
(as far as I can remember anyway). <w>

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"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in message
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> Kelly wrote:
>> I hear you, Steve and agree to a point. Carey is not a carry through
>> MVP for the long haul and has never been. But one would assume that
>> he means well. That said for the time being, ignore and/or correct
>> his posts as need be and will point this thread and issue to the
>> proper hands.
>
> One would assume he meant well, until he ignores the same criticism, over
> and over and over again. Then the presumption leans towards that of Carey
> not really meaning well.
>
> And you didn't answer the question of Steve's that I most wanted to read!
> And no, not who nominated Carey. I like having that mystery!
>
> But rather, why you chose not to be listed as a MVP? ;-)
>
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>

kurttrail
07-10-2005, 12:37 AM
Kelly wrote:
> Most welcome, Steve and I can understand your concern. However,
> Carey may have earned his credits elsewhere for the most part and
> that should be kept within consideration.

LOL! I doubt he is any more accurate any place else.

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kurttrail
07-10-2005, 12:37 AM
Kelly wrote:
> Hi Kurt,
>
> Much food for thought. Hopefully, Carey has the time to read all of
> this. If not, that could be the reason why he just makes a few
> replies and then runs. I am not familiar with his personal life nor
> agenda.
> Speaking for myself, I just haven't had the time to commit here as
> normal as of late due to the increase of my helping others in our
> tri-parish community. Perhaps, Carey gives of himself as well. Dunno
> for sure. :o)
> As for the non-question: Will leave you within that mystery. :o)
> As for the real question: I am listed.
>
> What has happened this past award cycle due to other country(ies)
> added members, the list had to be changed due to privacy issues. And
> within doing so, by default MVP's were listed only viewable to other
> MVP's unless opting to be made public, in which I am now.
>
> Sheesh, too much to keep up with at times. :o) So thanks again
> Steve and yourself for the question. That said, trust me, I having
> nothing to hide (as far as I can remember anyway). <w>
>

No, I had read that some MVPs were protesting allowing to be shown,
because they were required by M to give a BIO. Since you have a few
pages on MS's website that give a short bio, I was just wondering why
you would be part of that protest. Obviously you're not. Thanks for
clearing it up.

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Kelly
07-10-2005, 12:37 AM
Be nice! :o) But hey, you never know. He has been at this for a great
deal of time.

Off topic:

Was in the French Quarter yesterday and saw a t-shirt that read:
Math illiteracy affects 7 out of every 5 people.

Have no clue why this came to mind. My bad!
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"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in message
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> Kelly wrote:
>> Most welcome, Steve and I can understand your concern. However,
>> Carey may have earned his credits elsewhere for the most part and
>> that should be kept within consideration.
>
> LOL! I doubt he is any more accurate any place else.
>
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Kelly
07-10-2005, 12:37 AM
Hi,

Thanks for the reply and no, I must have missed the protest as I would have
normally anyway if I'd known. Those types of things is like borrowing
trouble and I haven't the mind set for that. :o) As for me, nope.....I
wasn't one of them and you are most welcome.

However, what viewers/readers need to keep in mind is that whatever info MS
has logged/posted for us is very old news depending on how long we have been
around here. As I am not one to bother folks...it would bother me to read
on my computer setup at the time of my first appointment, if I went there.

The only reason it comes to mind now is that at least four times a year I
get private e-mails on how I was able to get my LS-120 to run under XP. :o)

Thanks again for asking!

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"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in message
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> Kelly wrote:
>> Hi Kurt,
>>
>> Much food for thought. Hopefully, Carey has the time to read all of
>> this. If not, that could be the reason why he just makes a few
>> replies and then runs. I am not familiar with his personal life nor
>> agenda.
>> Speaking for myself, I just haven't had the time to commit here as
>> normal as of late due to the increase of my helping others in our
>> tri-parish community. Perhaps, Carey gives of himself as well. Dunno for
>> sure. :o)
>> As for the non-question: Will leave you within that mystery. :o)
>> As for the real question: I am listed.
>>
>> What has happened this past award cycle due to other country(ies)
>> added members, the list had to be changed due to privacy issues. And
>> within doing so, by default MVP's were listed only viewable to other
>> MVP's unless opting to be made public, in which I am now.
>>
>> Sheesh, too much to keep up with at times. :o) So thanks again
>> Steve and yourself for the question. That said, trust me, I having
>> nothing to hide (as far as I can remember anyway). <w>
>>
>
> No, I had read that some MVPs were protesting allowing to be shown,
> because they were required by M to give a BIO. Since you have a few pages
> on MS's website that give a short bio, I was just wondering why you would
> be part of that protest. Obviously you're not. Thanks for clearing it
> up.
>
> --
> Peace!
> Kurt
> Self-anointed Moderator
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>

kurttrail
07-10-2005, 12:37 AM
Kelly wrote:
> Be nice! :o) But hey, you never know. He has been at this for a
> great deal of time.
>
> Off topic:
>
> Was in the French Quarter yesterday and saw a t-shirt that read:
> Math illiteracy affects 7 out of every 5 people.
>
> Have no clue why this came to mind. My bad!

LOL! That's about right!



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Kelly
07-10-2005, 12:37 AM
<LOL> times two, just for the way your comment made me react. Nothing
personal meant by this folks. <w>

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"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in message
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> Kelly wrote:
>> Be nice! :o) But hey, you never know. He has been at this for a
>> great deal of time.
>>
>> Off topic:
>>
>> Was in the French Quarter yesterday and saw a t-shirt that read:
>> Math illiteracy affects 7 out of every 5 people.
>>
>> Have no clue why this came to mind. My bad!
>
> LOL! That's about right!
>
>
>
> --
> Peace!
> Kurt
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>

Steve N.
07-10-2005, 12:38 AM
Kelly wrote:
> Most welcome, Steve and I can understand your concern. However, Carey may
> have earned his credits elsewhere for the most part and that should be kept
> within consideration.
>

I do understand that possibility. Thank you again Kelly.

Steve


i would like to burn an iso version of my Win XP Pro Cd with SP2