Registry Cleaners



James
07-09-2005, 11:30 PM
Are they reasonably safe to use and is there a recommendation in terms
of which is best? I've been in a discussion on another forum in which
several highly tout the new Regseeker. I've read here that most MVP's
(if not all) discourage the use of registry cleaners but I wanted to
make certain that I wasn't misunderstanding something. Thanks.

Will Denny
07-09-2005, 11:30 PM
Hi

XP mangages the Registry very well by itself. Some of these so called
Registry 'cleaners' can, and do cause more harm than they are worth - in
some instances rendering a PC unbootable. May I suggest that you let XP
manage its own Registry and give these 'cleaners' a wide berth?

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"James" <leushinonospam@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Are they reasonably safe to use and is there a recommendation in terms of
> which is best? I've been in a discussion on another forum in which several
> highly tout the new Regseeker. I've read here that most MVP's (if not all)
> discourage the use of registry cleaners but I wanted to make certain that
> I wasn't misunderstanding something. Thanks.

kurttrail
07-09-2005, 11:30 PM
James wrote:
> Are they reasonably safe to use and is there a recommendation in terms
> of which is best? I've been in a discussion on another forum in which
> several highly tout the new Regseeker. I've read here that most MVP's
> (if not all) discourage the use of registry cleaners but I wanted to
> make certain that I wasn't misunderstanding something. Thanks.

It is a matter of common sense.

If you are experiencing a problem, fix it.

No problem, don't try to fix what ain't broken.

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Jim Donovan
07-09-2005, 11:30 PM
There are a lot of small apps out there which purport to clean your
registry, however they do mess things up if not careful, one I use is System
Mechanic 5 Pro, it will create restore points as well as backing up the
registry before repairing/fixing/cleaning. A free app which I also use to
clean out a lot of stuff you will be surprised is still on your system is
from http://www.ccleaner.com/ This app will also help clean your registry
from "issues" broken links, unused, uninstaller information from programs
which left garbage behind after you removed through Add/Remove, which if MS
were really worth their $ would get it so all orphaned files belonging to
programs would be collected during the Add/Remove function.

Whatever you plan to do, read up on the registry and back up often


Luck

Jim


"James" <leushinonospam@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Are they reasonably safe to use and is there a recommendation in terms of
> which is best? I've been in a discussion on another forum in which several
> highly tout the new Regseeker. I've read here that most MVP's (if not all)
> discourage the use of registry cleaners but I wanted to make certain that
> I wasn't misunderstanding something. Thanks.

Ken Blake
07-09-2005, 11:30 PM
In news:u$Um$TiWFHA.2944@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl,
James <leushinonospam@gmail.com> typed:

> Are they reasonably safe to use and is there a recommendation
> in terms
> of which is best? I've been in a discussion on another forum in
> which
> several highly tout the new Regseeker. I've read here that most
> MVP's
> (if not all) discourage the use of registry cleaners but I
> wanted to
> make certain that I wasn't misunderstanding something. Thanks.


My advice is don't use any of them. In most cases the "cleaning"
they do is completely unnecessary, and there is always
substantial risk of their doing damage.

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Malke
07-09-2005, 11:30 PM
James wrote:

> Are they reasonably safe to use and is there a recommendation in terms
> of which is best? I've been in a discussion on another forum in which
> several highly tout the new Regseeker. I've read here that most MVP's
> (if not all) discourage the use of registry cleaners but I wanted to
> make certain that I wasn't misunderstanding something. Thanks.

You're not misunderstanding anything.

Malke
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07-09-2005, 11:31 PM
in the hands of an expert computer user they are
dangerous, in the hands of a novice they are fatal.
>-----Original Message-----
>Are they reasonably safe to use and is there a
recommendation in terms
>of which is best? I've been in a discussion on another
forum in which
>several highly tout the new Regseeker. I've read here
that most MVP's
>(if not all) discourage the use of registry cleaners but
I wanted to
>make certain that I wasn't misunderstanding something.
Thanks.
>.
>

Bruce Chambers
07-09-2005, 11:31 PM
James wrote:
> Are they reasonably safe to use and is there a recommendation in terms
> of which is best? I've been in a discussion on another forum in which
> several highly tout the new Regseeker. I've read here that most MVP's
> (if not all) discourage the use of registry cleaners but I wanted to
> make certain that I wasn't misunderstanding something. Thanks.


The registry contains all of the operating system's "knowledge" of
the computer's hardware devices, installed software, the location of the
device drivers, and the computer's configuration. A misstep in the
registry can have severe consequences. One should not even turning
loose a poorly understood automated "cleaner," unless he is fully
confident that he knows *exactly* what is going to happen as a result of
each and every change. Having seen the results of inexperienced people
using automated registry "cleaners," I can only advise all but the most
experienced computer technicians (and/or hobbyists) to avoid them all.
Experience has shown me that such tools simply are not safe in the hands
of the inexperienced user.

The only thing needed to safely clean your registry is knowledge
and Regedit.exe. If you lack the knowledge and experience to maintain
your registry by yourself, then you also lack the knowledge and
experience to safely configure and use any automated registry cleaner,
no matter how safe they claim to be.

Further, no one has ever demonstrated, to my satisfaction, that the
use of an automated registry cleaner, particularly by an untrained,
inexperienced computer user, does any real good. There's certainly been
no empirical evidence offered to demonstrate that the use of such
products to "clean" WinXP's registry improves a computer's performance
or stability.

What specific problem are you experiencing that you *know* beyond
all reasonable doubt will be fixed by using an automated registry
cleaner? If you do have a problem that is rooted in the registry, it
would be far better to simply edit (after backing up, of course) only
the specific key(s) and/or value(s) that are causing the problem. Why
use a shotgun when a scalpel will do the job? Additionally, the
manually changing of one or two registry entries is far less likely to
have the dire consequences of allowing an automated product to make
multiple changes simultaneously.

I always use Regedit.exe. I trust my own experience and judgment
far more than I would any automated registry cleaner. I strongly
encourage others to acquire the knowledge, as well.



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Edward W. Thompson
07-09-2005, 11:32 PM
"Bruce Chambers" <bchambers@h0tmail.c0m> wrote in message
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> James wrote:
>> Are they reasonably safe to use and is there a recommendation in terms of
>> which is best? I've been in a discussion on another forum in which
>> several highly tout the new Regseeker. I've read here that most MVP's (if
>> not all) discourage the use of registry cleaners but I wanted to make
>> certain that I wasn't misunderstanding something. Thanks.
>
snip

I regularly use Regseeker without problems. I don't know whether it is the
'best' whatever that means but it appears to do the job effectively and
provides automatic backup of the Registry before changes are made.

Regardless what method is used to make changes to the Registry, it is
prudent to ensure you are able to restore whatever changes you make, this
applies equally to 'manual' edits by Regedit as it does to programs such as
Regseeker. At least most Registry cleaning programs do backup the Registry
before changes are made whereas Regedit does not. Do not trust System
Restore as your sole source of a Registry 'backup' as System Restore is not
reliable.

Alias
07-09-2005, 11:32 PM
"Bruce Chambers" <bchambers@h0tmail.c0m> wrote in message
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> James wrote:
>> Are they reasonably safe to use and is there a recommendation in terms of
>> which is best? I've been in a discussion on another forum in which
>> several highly tout the new Regseeker. I've read here that most MVP's (if
>> not all) discourage the use of registry cleaners but I wanted to make
>> certain that I wasn't misunderstanding something. Thanks.
>
>
> The registry contains all of the operating system's "knowledge" of the
> computer's hardware devices, installed software, the location of the
> device drivers, and the computer's configuration. A misstep in the
> registry can have severe consequences. One should not even turning loose
> a poorly understood automated "cleaner," unless he is fully confident that
> he knows *exactly* what is going to happen as a result of each and every
> change. Having seen the results of inexperienced people using automated
> registry "cleaners," I can only advise all but the most experienced
> computer technicians (and/or hobbyists) to avoid them all. Experience has
> shown me that such tools simply are not safe in the hands of the
> inexperienced user.

On Sunday I removed over 300 entries to the registry using SystemSuite 5.0.
SS 5.0 has a feature that searches your registry and comes up with a list of
entries that are not right, catagorized as green, yellow and red. The green
ones are safe to remove. The yellow and red ones require looking at the path
and seeing whether you should remove them or leave them alone. SS 5.0,
unlike regedit, makes a back up of what you've removed to you can restore it
if something goes wrong. I have been using SS 5.0 for over three years and
have never, ever, had to restore what I have removed and I am no computer
expert. I highly recommend SS 5.0 not only for that but for the TrendMicro
AV and Sygate Firewall. It's clean up is far more thorough than XP's
resident Disk Clean Up. The also give you Power Desk as a part of the deal.

Alias
>
> The only thing needed to safely clean your registry is knowledge and
> Regedit.exe. If you lack the knowledge and experience to maintain your
> registry by yourself, then you also lack the knowledge and experience to
> safely configure and use any automated registry cleaner, no matter how
> safe they claim to be.
>
> Further, no one has ever demonstrated, to my satisfaction, that the
> use of an automated registry cleaner, particularly by an untrained,
> inexperienced computer user, does any real good. There's certainly been
> no empirical evidence offered to demonstrate that the use of such products
> to "clean" WinXP's registry improves a computer's performance or
> stability.
>
> What specific problem are you experiencing that you *know* beyond all
> reasonable doubt will be fixed by using an automated registry cleaner? If
> you do have a problem that is rooted in the registry, it would be far
> better to simply edit (after backing up, of course) only the specific
> key(s) and/or value(s) that are causing the problem. Why use a shotgun
> when a scalpel will do the job? Additionally, the manually changing of
> one or two registry entries is far less likely to have the dire
> consequences of allowing an automated product to make multiple changes
> simultaneously.
>
> I always use Regedit.exe. I trust my own experience and judgment far
> more than I would any automated registry cleaner. I strongly encourage
> others to acquire the knowledge, as well.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Bruce Chambers
>
> Help us help you:
> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>
> You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having
> both at once. - RAH

Will Denny
07-09-2005, 11:32 PM
"Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
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>
> "Bruce Chambers" <bchambers@h0tmail.c0m> wrote in message
> news:eYBMsaoWFHA.3488@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> James wrote:
>>> Are they reasonably safe to use and is there a recommendation in terms
>>> of which is best? I've been in a discussion on another forum in which
>>> several highly tout the new Regseeker. I've read here that most MVP's
>>> (if not all) discourage the use of registry cleaners but I wanted to
>>> make certain that I wasn't misunderstanding something. Thanks.
>>
>>
>> The registry contains all of the operating system's "knowledge" of
>> the computer's hardware devices, installed software, the location of the
>> device drivers, and the computer's configuration. A misstep in the
>> registry can have severe consequences. One should not even turning loose
>> a poorly understood automated "cleaner," unless he is fully confident
>> that he knows *exactly* what is going to happen as a result of each and
>> every change. Having seen the results of inexperienced people using
>> automated registry "cleaners," I can only advise all but the most
>> experienced computer technicians (and/or hobbyists) to avoid them all.
>> Experience has shown me that such tools simply are not safe in the hands
>> of the inexperienced user.
>
> On Sunday I removed over 300 entries to the registry using SystemSuite
> 5.0. SS 5.0 has a feature that searches your registry and comes up with a
> list of entries that are not right, catagorized as green, yellow and red.
> The green ones are safe to remove. The yellow and red ones require looking
> at the path and seeing whether you should remove them or leave them alone.
> SS 5.0, unlike regedit, makes a back up of what you've removed to you can
> restore it if something goes wrong. I have been using SS 5.0 for over
> three years and have never, ever, had to restore what I have removed and I
> am no computer expert. I highly recommend SS 5.0 not only for that but for
> the TrendMicro AV and Sygate Firewall. It's clean up is far more thorough
> than XP's resident Disk Clean Up. The also give you Power Desk as a part
> of the deal.

Hi

Color coding Registry entries - who was the brains behind that idea!!??
It's a ridulous suggestion that all the 'green' colored entries are 'safe'
to remove. These are the kind of so called Registry 'cleaners' that can and
do cause untold harm to a system. A lot of people don't know what the paths
for the 'yellow' and 'red' entries may mean to the overall working of the
Registry!!


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Alias
07-09-2005, 11:32 PM
"Will Denny" <willdenny@mvps.org> wrote in message
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> "Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
> news:OAyZl5sWFHA.628@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>
>> "Bruce Chambers" <bchambers@h0tmail.c0m> wrote in message
>> news:eYBMsaoWFHA.3488@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>> James wrote:
>>>> Are they reasonably safe to use and is there a recommendation in terms
>>>> of which is best? I've been in a discussion on another forum in which
>>>> several highly tout the new Regseeker. I've read here that most MVP's
>>>> (if not all) discourage the use of registry cleaners but I wanted to
>>>> make certain that I wasn't misunderstanding something. Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>> The registry contains all of the operating system's "knowledge" of
>>> the computer's hardware devices, installed software, the location of the
>>> device drivers, and the computer's configuration. A misstep in the
>>> registry can have severe consequences. One should not even turning
>>> loose a poorly understood automated "cleaner," unless he is fully
>>> confident that he knows *exactly* what is going to happen as a result of
>>> each and every change. Having seen the results of inexperienced people
>>> using automated registry "cleaners," I can only advise all but the most
>>> experienced computer technicians (and/or hobbyists) to avoid them all.
>>> Experience has shown me that such tools simply are not safe in the hands
>>> of the inexperienced user.
>>
>> On Sunday I removed over 300 entries to the registry using SystemSuite
>> 5.0. SS 5.0 has a feature that searches your registry and comes up with a
>> list of entries that are not right, catagorized as green, yellow and red.
>> The green ones are safe to remove. The yellow and red ones require
>> looking at the path and seeing whether you should remove them or leave
>> them alone. SS 5.0, unlike regedit, makes a back up of what you've
>> removed to you can restore it if something goes wrong. I have been using
>> SS 5.0 for over three years and have never, ever, had to restore what I
>> have removed and I am no computer expert. I highly recommend SS 5.0 not
>> only for that but for the TrendMicro AV and Sygate Firewall. It's clean
>> up is far more thorough than XP's resident Disk Clean Up. The also give
>> you Power Desk as a part of the deal.
>
> Hi
>
> Color coding Registry entries - who was the brains behind that idea!!??
> It's a ridulous suggestion that all the 'green' colored entries are 'safe'
> to remove.

Actually, it suggests deleting some and changing the paths to others. I have
no green entries on any of my three computers and all work fine so you were
saying?

> These are the kind of so called Registry 'cleaners' that can and do cause
> untold harm to a system.

Not to me in three years nor to a friend who fixes computers since the
program was made by Ontrack back in the mid nineties so you were saying?

> A lot of people don't know what the paths for the 'yellow' and 'red'
> entries may mean to the overall working of the Registry!!
>
>
> --
>
> Will Denny

Have you tried SS 5.0? If not, SFU. It's a great program and not one
computer that I know of has had problems from using it. If you think you can
argue with a 100% success rate, you have problems, not SS 5.0.

Alias

Will Denny
07-09-2005, 11:32 PM
"> Have you tried SS 5.0? If not, SFU. It's a great program and not one
> computer that I know of has had problems from using it. If you think you
> can argue with a 100% success rate, you have problems, not SS 5.0.
>
> Alias

NO Registry 'cleaner' is a great/good/efficient/even slightly good program.
I won't allow them near any of my machines. If I think there is some dross
that needs deleting I'll manually edit the Registry, not leave up to some
program that **it** decides on which entries should be deleted. I wish you
would stop recommending Registry 'cleaners' - they are **not** worth the
bother!!


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Alias
07-09-2005, 11:32 PM
"Will Denny" <willdenny@mvps.org> wrote

>"> Have you tried SS 5.0? If not, SFU. It's a great program and not one
>> computer that I know of has had problems from using it. If you think you
>> can argue with a 100% success rate, you have problems, not SS 5.0.
>>
>> Alias
>
> NO Registry 'cleaner' is a great/good/efficient/even slightly good
> program. I won't allow them near any of my machines. If I think there is
> some dross that needs deleting I'll manually edit the Registry, not leave
> up to some program that **it** decides on which entries should be deleted.
> I wish you would stop recommending Registry 'cleaners' - they are **not**
> worth the bother!!
>
>
> --
>
> Will Denny

100%. You obviously have not tried it. Yes, it is worth the "bother" and I
will continue to recommend it.

Alias

Will Denny
07-09-2005, 11:32 PM
"Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
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>
> "Will Denny" <willdenny@mvps.org> wrote
>
>>"> Have you tried SS 5.0? If not, SFU. It's a great program and not one
>>> computer that I know of has had problems from using it. If you think you
>>> can argue with a 100% success rate, you have problems, not SS 5.0.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>> NO Registry 'cleaner' is a great/good/efficient/even slightly good
>> program. I won't allow them near any of my machines. If I think there is
>> some dross that needs deleting I'll manually edit the Registry, not leave
>> up to some program that **it** decides on which entries should be
>> deleted. I wish you would stop recommending Registry 'cleaners' - they
>> are **not** worth the bother!!
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Will Denny
>
> 100%. You obviously have not tried it. Yes, it is worth the "bother" and I
> will continue to recommend it.
>
> Alias

I'll go my way, you go your way. You'll find you're wrong in the opinion of
so these called Registry 'cleaners'!!!!


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Jerry Schwartz
07-09-2005, 11:32 PM
I'm having a persistent "Registry Recovery" pop-up (every time I boot); are
there any utilities or procedures that might help me fix this?

There's no obvious information as to what, in the registry, is hosed; and
obviously the automated recovery isn't working because the problem never
goes away.

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"Jim Donovan" <jdonovan@superline.ns.ca> wrote in message
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> There are a lot of small apps out there which purport to clean your
> registry, however they do mess things up if not careful, one I use is
> System Mechanic 5 Pro, it will create restore points as well as backing up
> the registry before repairing/fixing/cleaning. A free app which I also use
> to clean out a lot of stuff you will be surprised is still on your system
> is from http://www.ccleaner.com/ This app will also help clean your
> registry from "issues" broken links, unused, uninstaller information from
> programs which left garbage behind after you removed through Add/Remove,
> which if MS were really worth their $ would get it so all orphaned files
> belonging to programs would be collected during the Add/Remove function.
>
> Whatever you plan to do, read up on the registry and back up often
>
>
> Luck
>
> Jim
>
>
> "James" <leushinonospam@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:u$Um$TiWFHA.2944@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> Are they reasonably safe to use and is there a recommendation in terms of
>> which is best? I've been in a discussion on another forum in which
>> several highly tout the new Regseeker. I've read here that most MVP's (if
>> not all) discourage the use of registry cleaners but I wanted to make
>> certain that I wasn't misunderstanding something. Thanks.
>
>

Alias
07-09-2005, 11:32 PM
"Will Denny" <willdenny@mvps.org> wrote in message
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> "Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
> news:eu77qrtWFHA.2128@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>
>> "Will Denny" <willdenny@mvps.org> wrote
>>
>>>"> Have you tried SS 5.0? If not, SFU. It's a great program and not one
>>>> computer that I know of has had problems from using it. If you think
>>>> you can argue with a 100% success rate, you have problems, not SS 5.0.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>> NO Registry 'cleaner' is a great/good/efficient/even slightly good
>>> program. I won't allow them near any of my machines. If I think there
>>> is some dross that needs deleting I'll manually edit the Registry, not
>>> leave up to some program that **it** decides on which entries should be
>>> deleted. I wish you would stop recommending Registry 'cleaners' - they
>>> are **not** worth the bother!!
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Will Denny
>>
>> 100%. You obviously have not tried it. Yes, it is worth the "bother" and
>> I will continue to recommend it.
>>
>> Alias
>
> I'll go my way, you go your way. You'll find you're wrong in the opinion
> of so these called Registry 'cleaners'!!!!
>
>
> --
>
> Will Denny

I wouldn't call SS 5.0 a "cleaner" but a "fixer". How you can argue with
100% when you haven't even tried the program is beyond me. Just because
other programs that you may have used or heard about suck doesn't mean that
SS 5.0 sucks.

Mind you, I removed over 300 entries on Sunday and my computer is running
like silk and boots faster.

Alias

Will Denny
07-09-2005, 11:32 PM
"Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
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>
> "Will Denny" <willdenny@mvps.org> wrote in message
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>> "Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
>> news:eu77qrtWFHA.2128@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>> "Will Denny" <willdenny@mvps.org> wrote
>>>
>>>>"> Have you tried SS 5.0? If not, SFU. It's a great program and not one
>>>>> computer that I know of has had problems from using it. If you think
>>>>> you can argue with a 100% success rate, you have problems, not SS 5.0.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>> NO Registry 'cleaner' is a great/good/efficient/even slightly good
>>>> program. I won't allow them near any of my machines. If I think there
>>>> is some dross that needs deleting I'll manually edit the Registry, not
>>>> leave up to some program that **it** decides on which entries should be
>>>> deleted. I wish you would stop recommending Registry 'cleaners' - they
>>>> are **not** worth the bother!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Will Denny
>>>
>>> 100%. You obviously have not tried it. Yes, it is worth the "bother" and
>>> I will continue to recommend it.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>> I'll go my way, you go your way. You'll find you're wrong in the opinion
>> of so these called Registry 'cleaners'!!!!
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Will Denny
>
> I wouldn't call SS 5.0 a "cleaner" but a "fixer". How you can argue with
> 100% when you haven't even tried the program is beyond me. Just because
> other programs that you may have used or heard about suck doesn't mean
> that SS 5.0 sucks.
>
> Mind you, I removed over 300 entries on Sunday and my computer is running
> like silk and boots faster.
>
> Alias

The only time I boot my systems is after a Windows Update. So are you
saying you have to boot your system more often now after using this
'cleaner'?


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Alias
07-09-2005, 11:32 PM
"Will Denny" <willdenny@mvps.org> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Will Denny" <willdenny@mvps.org> wrote in message
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>>> "Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
>>> news:eu77qrtWFHA.2128@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>> "Will Denny" <willdenny@mvps.org> wrote
>>>>
>>>>>"> Have you tried SS 5.0? If not, SFU. It's a great program and not one
>>>>>> computer that I know of has had problems from using it. If you think
>>>>>> you can argue with a 100% success rate, you have problems, not SS
>>>>>> 5.0.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>
>>>>> NO Registry 'cleaner' is a great/good/efficient/even slightly good
>>>>> program. I won't allow them near any of my machines. If I think there
>>>>> is some dross that needs deleting I'll manually edit the Registry, not
>>>>> leave up to some program that **it** decides on which entries should
>>>>> be deleted. I wish you would stop recommending Registry 'cleaners' -
>>>>> they are **not** worth the bother!!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Will Denny
>>>>
>>>> 100%. You obviously have not tried it. Yes, it is worth the "bother"
>>>> and I will continue to recommend it.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>> I'll go my way, you go your way. You'll find you're wrong in the
>>> opinion of so these called Registry 'cleaners'!!!!
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Will Denny
>>
>> I wouldn't call SS 5.0 a "cleaner" but a "fixer". How you can argue with
>> 100% when you haven't even tried the program is beyond me. Just because
>> other programs that you may have used or heard about suck doesn't mean
>> that SS 5.0 sucks.
>>
>> Mind you, I removed over 300 entries on Sunday and my computer is running
>> like silk and boots faster.
>>
>> Alias
>
> The only time I boot my systems is after a Windows Update. So are you
> saying you have to boot your system more often now after using this
> 'cleaner'?
>
>
> --
>
> Will Denny

I boot my system after AV updates, WU and program installations. No, I don't
have to boot my system more often.

Alias

Will Denny
07-09-2005, 11:32 PM
>>> I wouldn't call SS 5.0 a "cleaner" but a "fixer". How you can argue with
>>> 100% when you haven't even tried the program is beyond me. Just because
>>> other programs that you may have used or heard about suck doesn't mean
>>> that SS 5.0 sucks.
>>>
>>> Mind you, I removed over 300 entries on Sunday and my computer is
>>> running like silk and boots faster.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>> The only time I boot my systems is after a Windows Update. So are you
>> saying you have to boot your system more often now after using this
>> 'cleaner'?
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Will Denny
>
> I boot my system after AV updates, WU and program installations. No, I
> don't have to boot my system more often.
>
> Alias

You're **not** getting the point are you!!?? Registry 'cleaners' under no
circumstance should be used!!!!!!!!

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Alias
07-09-2005, 11:32 PM
"Will Denny" <willdenny@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:O$sM2HwWFHA.3676@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>>> I wouldn't call SS 5.0 a "cleaner" but a "fixer". How you can argue
>>>> with 100% when you haven't even tried the program is beyond me. Just
>>>> because other programs that you may have used or heard about suck
>>>> doesn't mean that SS 5.0 sucks.
>>>>
>>>> Mind you, I removed over 300 entries on Sunday and my computer is
>>>> running like silk and boots faster.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>> The only time I boot my systems is after a Windows Update. So are you
>>> saying you have to boot your system more often now after using this
>>> 'cleaner'?
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Will Denny
>>
>> I boot my system after AV updates, WU and program installations. No, I
>> don't have to boot my system more often.
>>
>> Alias
>
> You're **not** getting the point are you!!?? Registry 'cleaners' under no
> circumstance should be used!!!!!!!!
>
> --
>
> Will Denny

Your opinion. You haven't used System Suite. Ergo, you can't have an opinion
of any validity regarding the program. My friend has literally used it on
hundreds of computers using anything from Win 98 to XP Pro and 100% of the
time, it caused no adverse affect and fixed the registry. I use it on my
three computers with no adverse affects. How many computers have you used it
on that screwed up the computer? Zero?

Alias

kurttrail
07-09-2005, 11:32 PM
Will Denny wrote:
>>>> I wouldn't call SS 5.0 a "cleaner" but a "fixer". How you can
>>>> argue with 100% when you haven't even tried the program is beyond
>>>> me. Just because other programs that you may have used or heard
>>>> about suck doesn't mean that SS 5.0 sucks.
>>>>
>>>> Mind you, I removed over 300 entries on Sunday and my computer is
>>>> running like silk and boots faster.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>> The only time I boot my systems is after a Windows Update. So are
>>> you saying you have to boot your system more often now after using
>>> this 'cleaner'?
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Will Denny
>>
>> I boot my system after AV updates, WU and program installations. No,
>> I don't have to boot my system more often.
>>
>> Alias
>
> You're **not** getting the point are you!!?? Registry 'cleaners'
> under no circumstance should be used!!!!!!!!

While I'm of the opinion that Registry cleaners are of very little help,
if any, and tend to cause problems, that is just my opinion.

"Registry 'cleaners' under no circumstance should be used!!!!!!!!"

Is rather unrealistic. Most unistallers do some registry cleanup, as do
all good Anti-Spyware tools.


My point? It is that you are getting too emotional, and way overstating
your case, to a point where your OPINION is of little or no value.

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R. McCarty
07-09-2005, 11:32 PM
Just because the individual hasn't detected or experienced any
negative impact doesn't mean the potential doesn't exist for it
to happen.
No two systems have identical hardware/software setups on
them.You can't (or should not) make "Global" statements about
effectiveness. If it works for you and you like it that's good. The
issue at hand is that as a "G E N E R A L" rule Registry cleaners
are potentially dangerous. The resistance you're meeting here is
not to convince you not to use SS 5 or whatever. It's to keep a
poster from using it without knowing the consequences.
Too many technical people who post here have 1st-hand
experience with "Dead Machines" because of Registry Cleaners.
It's more of the "Do No Harm" rule of offering PC advice.

"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in message
news:%23ijhnTwWFHA.1796@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> Will Denny wrote:
>>>>> I wouldn't call SS 5.0 a "cleaner" but a "fixer". How you can
>>>>> argue with 100% when you haven't even tried the program is beyond
>>>>> me. Just because other programs that you may have used or heard
>>>>> about suck doesn't mean that SS 5.0 sucks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mind you, I removed over 300 entries on Sunday and my computer is
>>>>> running like silk and boots faster.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>> The only time I boot my systems is after a Windows Update. So are
>>>> you saying you have to boot your system more often now after using
>>>> this 'cleaner'?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Will Denny
>>>
>>> I boot my system after AV updates, WU and program installations. No,
>>> I don't have to boot my system more often.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>> You're **not** getting the point are you!!?? Registry 'cleaners'
>> under no circumstance should be used!!!!!!!!
>
> While I'm of the opinion that Registry cleaners are of very little help,
> if any, and tend to cause problems, that is just my opinion.
>
> "Registry 'cleaners' under no circumstance should be used!!!!!!!!"
>
> Is rather unrealistic. Most unistallers do some registry cleanup, as do
> all good Anti-Spyware tools.
>
>
> My point? It is that you are getting too emotional, and way overstating
> your case, to a point where your OPINION is of little or no value.
>
> --
> Peace!
> Kurt
> Self-anointed Moderator
> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
> http://microscum.com/mscommunity
> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"
>

Will Denny
07-09-2005, 11:32 PM
"Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
news:ebzFfPwWFHA.616@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>
> "Will Denny" <willdenny@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:O$sM2HwWFHA.3676@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>>>> I wouldn't call SS 5.0 a "cleaner" but a "fixer". How you can argue
>>>>> with 100% when you haven't even tried the program is beyond me. Just
>>>>> because other programs that you may have used or heard about suck
>>>>> doesn't mean that SS 5.0 sucks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mind you, I removed over 300 entries on Sunday and my computer is
>>>>> running like silk and boots faster.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>> The only time I boot my systems is after a Windows Update. So are you
>>>> saying you have to boot your system more often now after using this
>>>> 'cleaner'?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Will Denny
>>>
>>> I boot my system after AV updates, WU and program installations. No, I
>>> don't have to boot my system more often.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>> You're **not** getting the point are you!!?? Registry 'cleaners' under
>> no circumstance should be used!!!!!!!!
>>
>> --
>>
>> Will Denny
>
> Your opinion. You haven't used System Suite. Ergo, you can't have an
> opinion of any validity regarding the program. My friend has literally
> used it on hundreds of computers using anything from Win 98 to XP Pro and
> 100% of the time, it caused no adverse affect and fixed the registry. I
> use it on my three computers with no adverse affects. How many computers
> have you used it on that screwed up the computer? Zero?
>
> Alias

I don't use Registry 'cleaners'. They are not needed - WAKE UP!!!!


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Alias
07-09-2005, 11:32 PM
"R. McCarty" <PcEngWork-NoSpam_@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:Ov$qMewWFHA.2448@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Just because the individual hasn't detected or experienced any
> negative impact doesn't mean the potential doesn't exist for it
> to happen.

That's why SS 5 makes a back up of what it removes ... although I have never
had to use it.

> No two systems have identical hardware/software setups on
> them.You can't (or should not) make "Global" statements about
> effectiveness. If it works for you and you like it that's good. The
> issue at hand is that as a "G E N E R A L" rule Registry cleaners
> are potentially dangerous. The resistance you're meeting here is
> not to convince you not to use SS 5 or whatever. It's to keep a
> poster from using it without knowing the consequences.
> Too many technical people who post here have 1st-hand
> experience with "Dead Machines" because of Registry Cleaners.
> It's more of the "Do No Harm" rule of offering PC advice.

He has done it on hundreds of machines since the mid nineties. Not one
problem. Not one "dead machine".

Alias
>
> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in message
> news:%23ijhnTwWFHA.1796@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>> Will Denny wrote:
>>>>>> I wouldn't call SS 5.0 a "cleaner" but a "fixer". How you can
>>>>>> argue with 100% when you haven't even tried the program is beyond
>>>>>> me. Just because other programs that you may have used or heard
>>>>>> about suck doesn't mean that SS 5.0 sucks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mind you, I removed over 300 entries on Sunday and my computer is
>>>>>> running like silk and boots faster.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>
>>>>> The only time I boot my systems is after a Windows Update. So are
>>>>> you saying you have to boot your system more often now after using
>>>>> this 'cleaner'?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Will Denny
>>>>
>>>> I boot my system after AV updates, WU and program installations. No,
>>>> I don't have to boot my system more often.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>> You're **not** getting the point are you!!?? Registry 'cleaners'
>>> under no circumstance should be used!!!!!!!!
>>
>> While I'm of the opinion that Registry cleaners are of very little help,
>> if any, and tend to cause problems, that is just my opinion.
>>
>> "Registry 'cleaners' under no circumstance should be used!!!!!!!!"
>>
>> Is rather unrealistic. Most unistallers do some registry cleanup, as do
>> all good Anti-Spyware tools.
>>
>>
>> My point? It is that you are getting too emotional, and way overstating
>> your case, to a point where your OPINION is of little or no value.
>>
>> --
>> Peace!
>> Kurt
>> Self-anointed Moderator
>> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
>> http://microscum.com/mscommunity
>> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
>> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"
>>
>
>

Alias
07-09-2005, 11:32 PM
"Will Denny" <willdenny@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:e$qUXlwWFHA.2996@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> "Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
> news:ebzFfPwWFHA.616@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>
>> "Will Denny" <willdenny@mvps.org> wrote in message
>> news:O$sM2HwWFHA.3676@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> I wouldn't call SS 5.0 a "cleaner" but a "fixer". How you can argue
>>>>>> with 100% when you haven't even tried the program is beyond me. Just
>>>>>> because other programs that you may have used or heard about suck
>>>>>> doesn't mean that SS 5.0 sucks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mind you, I removed over 300 entries on Sunday and my computer is
>>>>>> running like silk and boots faster.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>
>>>>> The only time I boot my systems is after a Windows Update. So are you
>>>>> saying you have to boot your system more often now after using this
>>>>> 'cleaner'?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Will Denny
>>>>
>>>> I boot my system after AV updates, WU and program installations. No, I
>>>> don't have to boot my system more often.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>> You're **not** getting the point are you!!?? Registry 'cleaners' under
>>> no circumstance should be used!!!!!!!!
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Will Denny
>>
>> Your opinion. You haven't used System Suite. Ergo, you can't have an
>> opinion of any validity regarding the program. My friend has literally
>> used it on hundreds of computers using anything from Win 98 to XP Pro and
>> 100% of the time, it caused no adverse affect and fixed the registry. I
>> use it on my three computers with no adverse affects. How many computers
>> have you used it on that screwed up the computer? Zero?
>>
>> Alias
>
> I don't use Registry 'cleaners'. They are not needed - WAKE UP!!!!
>
>
> --
>
> Will Denny

Horsepucky.

Alias

kurttrail
07-09-2005, 11:32 PM
R. McCarty wrote:
> Just because the individual hasn't detected or experienced any
> negative impact doesn't mean the potential doesn't exist for it
> to happen.
> No two systems have identical hardware/software setups on
> them.You can't (or should not) make "Global" statements about
> effectiveness. If it works for you and you like it that's good. The
> issue at hand is that as a "G E N E R A L" rule Registry cleaners
> are potentially dangerous. The resistance you're meeting here is
> not to convince you not to use SS 5 or whatever. It's to keep a
> poster from using it without knowing the consequences.
> Too many technical people who post here have 1st-hand
> experience with "Dead Machines" because of Registry Cleaners.
> It's more of the "Do No Harm" rule of offering PC advice.

I agree, and have said much of that regarding Registry cleaners myself.
Will has gone off the deep end and isn't talking about generalities, but
is giving a "Global" statement, and getting overly emotional about it
too.

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kurttrail
07-09-2005, 11:32 PM
Alias wrote:
> "R. McCarty" <PcEngWork-NoSpam_@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:Ov$qMewWFHA.2448@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> Just because the individual hasn't detected or experienced any
>> negative impact doesn't mean the potential doesn't exist for it
>> to happen.
>
> That's why SS 5 makes a back up of what it removes ... although I
> have never had to use it.
>
>> No two systems have identical hardware/software setups on
>> them.You can't (or should not) make "Global" statements about
>> effectiveness. If it works for you and you like it that's good. The
>> issue at hand is that as a "G E N E R A L" rule Registry cleaners
>> are potentially dangerous. The resistance you're meeting here is
>> not to convince you not to use SS 5 or whatever. It's to keep a
>> poster from using it without knowing the consequences.
>> Too many technical people who post here have 1st-hand
>> experience with "Dead Machines" because of Registry Cleaners.
>> It's more of the "Do No Harm" rule of offering PC advice.
>
> He has done it on hundreds of machines since the mid nineties. Not one
> problem. Not one "dead machine".

But to what benefit?

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kurttrail
07-09-2005, 11:32 PM
Will Denny wrote:
> "Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
> news:ebzFfPwWFHA.616@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>
>> "Will Denny" <willdenny@mvps.org> wrote in message
>> news:O$sM2HwWFHA.3676@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> I wouldn't call SS 5.0 a "cleaner" but a "fixer". How you can
>>>>>> argue with 100% when you haven't even tried the program is
>>>>>> beyond me. Just because other programs that you may have used or
>>>>>> heard about suck doesn't mean that SS 5.0 sucks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mind you, I removed over 300 entries on Sunday and my computer is
>>>>>> running like silk and boots faster.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>
>>>>> The only time I boot my systems is after a Windows Update. So
>>>>> are you saying you have to boot your system more often now after
>>>>> using this 'cleaner'?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Will Denny
>>>>
>>>> I boot my system after AV updates, WU and program installations.
>>>> No, I don't have to boot my system more often.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>> You're **not** getting the point are you!!?? Registry 'cleaners'
>>> under no circumstance should be used!!!!!!!!
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Will Denny
>>
>> Your opinion. You haven't used System Suite. Ergo, you can't have an
>> opinion of any validity regarding the program. My friend has
>> literally used it on hundreds of computers using anything from Win
>> 98 to XP Pro and 100% of the time, it caused no adverse affect and
>> fixed the registry. I use it on my three computers with no adverse
>> affects. How many computers have you used it on that screwed up the
>> computer? Zero? Alias
>
> I don't use Registry 'cleaners'. They are not needed - WAKE UP!!!!

Chill!

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Alias
07-09-2005, 11:32 PM
"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in message
news:uLB532wWFHA.1040@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Alias wrote:
>> "R. McCarty" <PcEngWork-NoSpam_@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>> news:Ov$qMewWFHA.2448@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>> Just because the individual hasn't detected or experienced any
>>> negative impact doesn't mean the potential doesn't exist for it
>>> to happen.
>>
>> That's why SS 5 makes a back up of what it removes ... although I
>> have never had to use it.
>>
>>> No two systems have identical hardware/software setups on
>>> them.You can't (or should not) make "Global" statements about
>>> effectiveness. If it works for you and you like it that's good. The
>>> issue at hand is that as a "G E N E R A L" rule Registry cleaners
>>> are potentially dangerous. The resistance you're meeting here is
>>> not to convince you not to use SS 5 or whatever. It's to keep a
>>> poster from using it without knowing the consequences.
>>> Too many technical people who post here have 1st-hand
>>> experience with "Dead Machines" because of Registry Cleaners.
>>> It's more of the "Do No Harm" rule of offering PC advice.
>>
>> He has done it on hundreds of machines since the mid nineties. Not one
>> problem. Not one "dead machine".
>
> But to what benefit?
>
> --
> Peace!
> Kurt

Example: I removed a scanner and a printer from my daughter's computer. It
then had problems booting up and would hang at the Win XP splash screen
forever. We did a registry fix and found a bunch of crosslinked references
to the scanner and the printer. Removed them. The system works wonderfully
now. Granted, regedit could have done the same thing but there would have
been a lot more entries to look over. SS picks out the ones that need
fixing, making the job easier.

That said, I do NOT recommend SS 5.0's AllInOne or it's defrag or diskchk. I
do like the fact that once you've bought it, you have a lifetime of
TrendMicro's AV updates and I like Power Desk's ability to write zeros on
files. The clean up is far superior to XP's resident clean up.

Oh, and you can install it on more than one machine! No activation!

Heh.

Alias

Will Denny
07-09-2005, 11:33 PM
"Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
news:uYwoB9wWFHA.616@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>
> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in message
> news:uLB532wWFHA.1040@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> Alias wrote:
>>> "R. McCarty" <PcEngWork-NoSpam_@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>>> news:Ov$qMewWFHA.2448@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>>> Just because the individual hasn't detected or experienced any
>>>> negative impact doesn't mean the potential doesn't exist for it
>>>> to happen.
>>>
>>> That's why SS 5 makes a back up of what it removes ... although I
>>> have never had to use it.
>>>
>>>> No two systems have identical hardware/software setups on
>>>> them.You can't (or should not) make "Global" statements about
>>>> effectiveness. If it works for you and you like it that's good. The
>>>> issue at hand is that as a "G E N E R A L" rule Registry cleaners
>>>> are potentially dangerous. The resistance you're meeting here is
>>>> not to convince you not to use SS 5 or whatever. It's to keep a
>>>> poster from using it without knowing the consequences.
>>>> Too many technical people who post here have 1st-hand
>>>> experience with "Dead Machines" because of Registry Cleaners.
>>>> It's more of the "Do No Harm" rule of offering PC advice.
>>>
>>> He has done it on hundreds of machines since the mid nineties. Not one
>>> problem. Not one "dead machine".
>>
>> But to what benefit?
>>
>> --
>> Peace!
>> Kurt
>
> Example: I removed a scanner and a printer from my daughter's computer. It
> then had problems booting up and would hang at the Win XP splash screen
> forever. We did a registry fix and found a bunch of crosslinked references
> to the scanner and the printer. Removed them. The system works wonderfully
> now. Granted, regedit could have done the same thing but there would have
> been a lot more entries to look over. SS picks out the ones that need
> fixing, making the job easier.
>
> That said, I do NOT recommend SS 5.0's AllInOne or it's defrag or diskchk.
> I do like the fact that once you've bought it, you have a lifetime of
> TrendMicro's AV updates and I like Power Desk's ability to write zeros on
> files. The clean up is far superior to XP's resident clean up.
>
> Oh, and you can install it on more than one machine! No activation!
>
> Heh.
>
> Alias

Hi

"crosslinked references" will be found by chkdsk if needed - no need to
employ a Registry 'cleaner'. What was the "registry fix"?

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Alias
07-09-2005, 11:33 PM
"Will Denny" <willdenny@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:emuPDRxWFHA.2664@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> "Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
> news:uYwoB9wWFHA.616@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>
>> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in message
>> news:uLB532wWFHA.1040@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>> "R. McCarty" <PcEngWork-NoSpam_@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:Ov$qMewWFHA.2448@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Just because the individual hasn't detected or experienced any
>>>>> negative impact doesn't mean the potential doesn't exist for it
>>>>> to happen.
>>>>
>>>> That's why SS 5 makes a back up of what it removes ... although I
>>>> have never had to use it.
>>>>
>>>>> No two systems have identical hardware/software setups on
>>>>> them.You can't (or should not) make "Global" statements about
>>>>> effectiveness. If it works for you and you like it that's good. The
>>>>> issue at hand is that as a "G E N E R A L" rule Registry cleaners
>>>>> are potentially dangerous. The resistance you're meeting here is
>>>>> not to convince you not to use SS 5 or whatever. It's to keep a
>>>>> poster from using it without knowing the consequences.
>>>>> Too many technical people who post here have 1st-hand
>>>>> experience with "Dead Machines" because of Registry Cleaners.
>>>>> It's more of the "Do No Harm" rule of offering PC advice.
>>>>
>>>> He has done it on hundreds of machines since the mid nineties. Not one
>>>> problem. Not one "dead machine".
>>>
>>> But to what benefit?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Peace!
>>> Kurt
>>
>> Example: I removed a scanner and a printer from my daughter's computer.
>> It then had problems booting up and would hang at the Win XP splash
>> screen forever. We did a registry fix and found a bunch of crosslinked
>> references to the scanner and the printer. Removed them. The system works
>> wonderfully now. Granted, regedit could have done the same thing but
>> there would have been a lot more entries to look over. SS picks out the
>> ones that need fixing, making the job easier.
>>
>> That said, I do NOT recommend SS 5.0's AllInOne or it's defrag or
>> diskchk. I do like the fact that once you've bought it, you have a
>> lifetime of TrendMicro's AV updates and I like Power Desk's ability to
>> write zeros on files. The clean up is far superior to XP's resident clean
>> up.
>>
>> Oh, and you can install it on more than one machine! No activation!
>>
>> Heh.
>>
>> Alias
>
> Hi
>
> "crosslinked references" will be found by chkdsk if needed - no need to
> employ a Registry 'cleaner'. What was the "registry fix"?
>
> --
>
> Will Denny

Not sure I used the right term but the computer works fine now. It didn't
using Chkdsk.

Alias

Don Burnette
07-09-2005, 11:33 PM
Will Denny wrote:
> "> Have you tried SS 5.0? If not, SFU. It's a great program and not
> one
>> computer that I know of has had problems from using it. If you think
>> you can argue with a 100% success rate, you have problems, not SS
>> 5.0. Alias
>
> NO Registry 'cleaner' is a great/good/efficient/even slightly good
> program. I won't allow them near any of my machines. If I think
> there is some dross that needs deleting I'll manually edit the
> Registry, not leave up to some program that **it** decides on which
> entries should be deleted. I wish you would stop recommending
> Registry 'cleaners' - they are **not** worth the bother!!


I'll add my 2 cents worth..

I have been using a registry cleaner , the one that come with System
Mechanic, for at least 2 years now.
I do know my way around a computer, but do not really know my way around the
registry, so I would be uncomfortable at this stage in going in and manually
deleting entries. I hope to have the time to dig in and learn sometime in
the near future.
I have a weekly maintenance routine, that includes disk cleanup, defrag,
adware removal, registry cleaner, obsolete file remover, and I image my
system to an external usb 2.0 hard drive.

While I realize there is always a potential risk in using a program such as
a registry cleaner, I accept that risk because I know I take the necessary
precautions to restore my system to a good working order if need be, and I
am comfortable with that.
Having said that, I can say I have not had one problem to date using the
registry cleaner in System Mechanic. I can also say, my XP Pro system, is in
top notch shape, and has always run as good as the day I installed it. I
have done upgrades such as replacing motherboards, and even then, only done
a repair install, rather than a clean install, so this XP Pro installation
has been running for some time.

Now, would it be the same if I had never used a registry cleaner? May be, I
honestly cannot say. Usually , when I run it on a weekly basis, it finds and
I delete anwhere from 10-12 registry entries. This has just become habit for
me, and a part of my weekly routine. And based on my system's performance,
all of these combined seem to work for me.

I think, as with a lot of programs, using a registry cleaner, your mileage
may vary. I know there is a risk, I accept that risk, and I do my best to
take the precautions needed to restore my system should something go wrong.
I won't sit here and recommend using it, nor will I recommend never using
it.
I would only say, for anyone willing to take the risk, go for it, but
understand any program that deletes files such as in the registry, does have
the ability to cause problems, and hopefully you will have what you need to
restore if need be... the user will have to make the decision, as to
whether it benefits them in any way.




--
Don Burnette

"When you decide something is impossible to do, try to stay out of the
way of the man that's doing it."

Will Denny
07-09-2005, 11:34 PM
> I'll add my 2 cents worth..
>
> I have been using a registry cleaner , the one that come with System
> Mechanic, for at least 2 years now.
> I do know my way around a computer, but do not really know my way around
> the registry, so I would be uncomfortable at this stage in going in and
> manually deleting entries. I hope to have the time to dig in and learn
> sometime in the near future.
> I have a weekly maintenance routine, that includes disk cleanup, defrag,
> adware removal, registry cleaner, obsolete file remover, and I image my
> system to an external usb 2.0 hard drive.
>
> While I realize there is always a potential risk in using a program such
> as a registry cleaner, I accept that risk because I know I take the
> necessary precautions to restore my system to a good working order if need
> be, and I am comfortable with that.
> Having said that, I can say I have not had one problem to date using the
> registry cleaner in System Mechanic. I can also say, my XP Pro system, is
> in top notch shape, and has always run as good as the day I installed it.
> I have done upgrades such as replacing motherboards, and even then, only
> done a repair install, rather than a clean install, so this XP Pro
> installation has been running for some time.
>
> Now, would it be the same if I had never used a registry cleaner? May be,
> I honestly cannot say. Usually , when I run it on a weekly basis, it finds
> and I delete anwhere from 10-12 registry entries. This has just become
> habit for me, and a part of my weekly routine. And based on my system's
> performance, all of these combined seem to work for me.
>
> I think, as with a lot of programs, using a registry cleaner, your mileage
> may vary. I know there is a risk, I accept that risk, and I do my best to
> take the precautions needed to restore my system should something go
> wrong. I won't sit here and recommend using it, nor will I recommend never
> using it.
> I would only say, for anyone willing to take the risk, go for it, but
> understand any program that deletes files such as in the registry, does
> have the ability to cause problems, and hopefully you will have what you
> need to restore if need be... the user will have to make the decision, as
> to whether it benefits them in any way.
>
> Don Burnette
>
> "When you decide something is impossible to do, try to stay out of the
> way of the man that's doing it."

Try here:

http://www.winguides.com/article.php?id=1&guide=registry

--

Will Denny
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User
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Don Burnette
07-09-2005, 11:34 PM
Will Denny wrote:





>
> Try here:
>
> http://www.winguides.com/article.php?id=1&guide=registry






I will, thanks for the link Will.





--
Don Burnette

"When you decide something is impossible to do, try to stay out of the
way of the man that's doing it."


Registry Cleaners