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kurttrail
07-09-2005, 11:25 PM
http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1009_22-5705430.html?tag=nl.e589

Anyone want to give MS more money to fix the inherent problems of their
OS?

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M
07-09-2005, 11:25 PM
See this update which I posted here 90 min + back...

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/0,39020330,39198263,00.htm

"(A UK) IT consultant... added: "Great idea - MS get to turn their security
bugs into a revenue stream... Perhaps it should be more correctly renamed
'No one cares'."

kurttrail
07-09-2005, 11:25 PM
M wrote:
> See this update which I posted here 90 min + back...
>
> http://news.zdnet.co.uk/0,39020330,39198263,00.htm
>
> "(A UK) IT consultant... added: "Great idea - MS get to turn their
> security bugs into a revenue stream... Perhaps it should be more
> correctly renamed 'No one cares'."

LOL! Anyone putting total trust in MS for the computer system security
needs there head examined, at the very least.

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Jupiter Jones [MVP]
07-09-2005, 11:25 PM
"...inherent problems of their OS?"
Better said as "...inherent problems of every OS?"
Perhaps before casting your quick judgement again you should read a little
more:
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2005/may05/05-13WindowsOneCarePR.asp

What OS has no need of a firewall?
What OS has no need of anti virus protection?
And more...

This appears to be geared to less experienced users who can use help
maintaining their computers.
Of course users can choose to use or not use the service and still maintain
the safety and security of their computers.
But for your FUD to work, some of these facts need to be ignored...or did
you simply not know?

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"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in message
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> http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1009_22-5705430.html?tag=nl.e589
>
> Anyone want to give MS more money to fix the inherent problems of their
> OS?
>
> --
> Peace!
> Kurt
> Self-anointed Moderator
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

bumtracks
07-09-2005, 11:26 PM
> But for your FUD to work, some of these facts need to be ignored...or did
> you simply not know?

what's a FUD

kurttrail
07-09-2005, 11:26 PM
Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
> "...inherent problems of their OS?"
> Better said as "...inherent problems of every OS?"
> Perhaps before casting your quick judgement again you should read a
> little more:
> http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2005/may05/05-13WindowsOneCarePR.asp
>
> What OS has no need of a firewall?

The real question is who needs a Microsoft firewall. Fools that put
their trust in MS to protect them, after seeing what MS's security
record has been thoughout the years!

How long has MS been selling OS's? Decades? And how long has MS taken
security seriously? A few years!

> What OS has no need of anti virus protection?

The real question is who needs MSAV to protect them from viruses written
to exploit the all the wholes in MS's OSs?! Fools that place all there
faith in one company that has a horrible security track record!

Mozilla just patched up two security holes in their browser in a the
span of about a week. MS has taken over six months to patch up its
holes.

> And more...

And more nonsense! MS can't be trusted. It's bad enough to have to
keep on adding patches to the MS OS quilt, now MS wants people to
subscribe to another layer of MicroBS which will have its own holes?

MS is just the fattest most unliked target that can't help but get hit!

> This appears to be geared to less experienced users who can use help
> maintaining their computers.

LOL! Just paint a big fat target on all the MicroTurkeys!

> Of course users can choose to use or not use the service and still
> maintain the safety and security of their computers.

Yep! Why trust MS, the people that brought us alot of the security
holes that are exploited by malware writers today?!

> But for your FUD to work, some of these facts need to be ignored...or
> did you simply not know?

"'...inherent problems of their OS?' Better said as '...inherent
problems of every OS?'"

Why would that be better? Is NoOne Cares being written to protect any
other OS other than MS's OS?

So there really was no FUD in my question. All you did was blather on,
and made unconnected assumptions, and didn't bother to actually answer
the question!

The only FUD here is Juppy FUD!

Answer the effin' question posed, instead of trying to changed the
effin' subject!

Are you gonna pay MS a subscription to further protect your MS OS?


> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
> message news:O8Kup19VFHA.2748@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1009_22-5705430.html?tag=nl.e589
>>
>> Anyone want to give MS more money to fix the inherent problems of
>> their OS?
>>
>> --
>> Peace!
>> Kurt
>> Self-anointed Moderator
>> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
>> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

Back to your childish games of changing the words of others!

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Richard Urban
07-09-2005, 11:26 PM
I have one son who, if I died tomorrow, would not be able to maintain his
own computer! All he wants to do is use it. And he may use it to download
from Kazaa. I don't know. But if something like this were to help him I
think it would be great.

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"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in message
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> M wrote:
>> See this update which I posted here 90 min + back...
>>
>> http://news.zdnet.co.uk/0,39020330,39198263,00.htm
>>
>> "(A UK) IT consultant... added: "Great idea - MS get to turn their
>> security bugs into a revenue stream... Perhaps it should be more
>> correctly renamed 'No one cares'."
>
> LOL! Anyone putting total trust in MS for the computer system security
> needs there head examined, at the very least.
>
> --
> Peace!
> Kurt
> Self-anointed Moderator
> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
> http://microscum.com/mscommunity
> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"
>

kurttrail
07-09-2005, 11:26 PM
Richard Urban wrote:
> I have one son who, if I died tomorrow, would not be able to maintain
> his own computer! All he wants to do is use it. And he may use it to
> download from Kazaa. I don't know. But if something like this were to
> help him I think it would be great.

Be much safer using a product that wasn't made by MS.

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kurttrail
07-09-2005, 11:26 PM
bumtracks wrote:
>> But for your FUD to work, some of these facts need to be
>> ignored...or did you simply not know?
>
> what's a FUD

Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt. And it has no correlation to the question
I asked.

"Anyone want to give MS more money to fix the inherent problems of their
OS?"

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NoStop
07-09-2005, 11:26 PM
Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

> What OS has no need of a firewall?

My OS doesn't need a firewall. If I don't have any services running that
connect to the Net, then I don't need a firewall because there are no
services that an attacker can hack into. Besides, I have the ability to set
what ip addresses are allowed access to my computer should I have any
services that I want to run. All a firewall does is masquerade an ip
address behind the firewall. With Windoze this is critical to do, because
the system is so insecure. I'd even recommend a software firewall for
Windoze just to keep track of all the trojans one can so easily pickup with
Windoze that will try to call out from your computer. My OS is immune to
trojans and hence not a worry.

> What OS has no need of anti virus protection?

My OS doesn't have any anti virus protection and doesn't need any.


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Jupiter Jones [MVP]
07-09-2005, 11:26 PM
Now we know what you think of less experienced users.
You feel they are "MicroTurkeys"
I thought you already knew, people are not born experts in anything
including computers.

You also say "The real question is..."
If you thought such, you would have said as much.
But you did not ask that question.
It seems you know little about the original question asked by the OP.

"Answer the effin' question posed, instead of trying to changed the effin'
subject!"
I did answer the question.
Apparently in your blind hate of anything Microsoft you missed it.
Read the last paragraph of my post for the first time, particularly the
part"...less experienced users..."
If you want more specifics, you should wait until the service is closer to
release with more facts known.
No one can give an exact answer on a product with so little information
available...except those with blind prejudice.

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http://www.dts-l.org


"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in message
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> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
>> "...inherent problems of their OS?"
>> Better said as "...inherent problems of every OS?"
>> Perhaps before casting your quick judgement again you should read a
>> little more:
>> http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2005/may05/05-13WindowsOneCarePR.asp
>>
>> What OS has no need of a firewall?
>
> The real question is who needs a Microsoft firewall. Fools that put their
> trust in MS to protect them, after seeing what MS's security record has
> been thoughout the years!
>
> How long has MS been selling OS's? Decades? And how long has MS taken
> security seriously? A few years!
>
>> What OS has no need of anti virus protection?
>
> The real question is who needs MSAV to protect them from viruses written
> to exploit the all the wholes in MS's OSs?! Fools that place all there
> faith in one company that has a horrible security track record!
>
> Mozilla just patched up two security holes in their browser in a the span
> of about a week. MS has taken over six months to patch up its holes.
>
>> And more...
>
> And more nonsense! MS can't be trusted. It's bad enough to have to keep
> on adding patches to the MS OS quilt, now MS wants people to subscribe to
> another layer of MicroBS which will have its own holes?
>
> MS is just the fattest most unliked target that can't help but get hit!
>
>> This appears to be geared to less experienced users who can use help
>> maintaining their computers.
>
> LOL! Just paint a big fat target on all the MicroTurkeys!
>
>> Of course users can choose to use or not use the service and still
>> maintain the safety and security of their computers.
>
> Yep! Why trust MS, the people that brought us alot of the security holes
> that are exploited by malware writers today?!
>
>> But for your FUD to work, some of these facts need to be ignored...or
>> did you simply not know?
>
> "'...inherent problems of their OS?' Better said as '...inherent problems
> of every OS?'"
>
> Why would that be better? Is NoOne Cares being written to protect any
> other OS other than MS's OS?
>
> So there really was no FUD in my question. All you did was blather on,
> and made unconnected assumptions, and didn't bother to actually answer the
> question!
>
> The only FUD here is Juppy FUD!
>
> Answer the effin' question posed, instead of trying to changed the effin'
> subject!
>
> Are you gonna pay MS a subscription to further protect your MS OS?
>
>
>> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
>> message news:O8Kup19VFHA.2748@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>> http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1009_22-5705430.html?tag=nl.e589
>>>
>>> Anyone want to give MS more money to fix the inherent problems of
>>> their OS?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Peace!
>>> Kurt
>>> Self-anointed Moderator
>>> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
>>> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

Jupiter Jones [MVP]
07-09-2005, 11:26 PM
I said "What OS", not "Whose OS"

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"NoStop" <nostop@stopspam.com> wrote in message
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> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
>
>> What OS has no need of a firewall?
>
> My OS doesn't need a firewall. If I don't have any services running that
> connect to the Net, then I don't need a firewall because there are no
> services that an attacker can hack into. Besides, I have the ability to
> set
> what ip addresses are allowed access to my computer should I have any
> services that I want to run. All a firewall does is masquerade an ip
> address behind the firewall. With Windoze this is critical to do, because
> the system is so insecure. I'd even recommend a software firewall for
> Windoze just to keep track of all the trojans one can so easily pickup
> with
> Windoze that will try to call out from your computer. My OS is immune to
> trojans and hence not a worry.
>
>> What OS has no need of anti virus protection?
>
> My OS doesn't have any anti virus protection and doesn't need any.
>
>
> --
>
> `,,`,,`,,``,,`
> Windows is *NOT* a virus. Viruses are small and efficient.
> Legal Notice And Disclaimer:
> http://www.euronet.nl/users/frankvw/legal.html
>
>

NoStop
07-09-2005, 11:26 PM
Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

> I said "What OS", not "Whose OS"
>
Oh, sorry. OK, the OS I use is Linux. It doesn't require a firewall, nor
anti-virus software and I run neither on my Linux box.

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kurttrail
07-09-2005, 11:26 PM
Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
> Now we know what you think of less experienced users.
> You feel they are "MicroTurkeys"

Actually it would be eXPerienced users that used NoOne Cares.

> I thought you already knew, people are not born experts in anything
> including computers.

LOL! It's like all the morons running around outside in Wash.DC the
other day over a Cesna.

It was hardly an explosive threat. Had it been a threat, more than
likely would have been Biological, and running around outside would be
the last thing you'd want to do.

Only a moron would want to protect themselves with software made by the
same company as the OS they are trying to protect.


>
> You also say "The real question is..."
> If you thought such, you would have said as much.

I was restating your question, not mine.

Juppy: What OS has no need of a firewall?

Kurt: The real question is who needs a Microsoft firewall. Fools that
put
their trust in MS to protect them, after seeing what MS's security
record has been thoughout the years!

See! But you have to spin things away from the real subject of does
anyone really want to pay MS more money to protect Windows!

> But you did not ask that question.
> It seems you know little about the original question asked by the OP.

I am the OP! You are totally effin' delusional!

Thank you for proving that you will deny reality in the irrational
defense of MS!

>
> "Answer the effin' question posed, instead of trying to changed the
> effin' subject!"
> I did answer the question.

No, You did not.

> Apparently in your blind hate of anything Microsoft you missed it.

LOL!

> Read the last paragraph of my post for the first time, particularly
> the part"...less experienced users..."

The question wasn't who is this NoOne Cares software geared towards!

> If you want more specifics, you should wait until the service is
> closer to release with more facts known.

I want people's opinions if they are willing to pay MS even move money
to protect Windows! I could care less what you and MS are willing to BS
about!

> No one can give an exact answer on a product with so little
> information available...except those with blind prejudice.

More bullsh*t.

Read my question again. I wasn't asking for information about MS's
stupid security product!

But in your blind devotion to a scumbag corporation you failed to see
that, and went into evasion mode to protect your beloved MS!



> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
> message news:uaQl4B$VFHA.2420@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
>>> "...inherent problems of their OS?"
>>> Better said as "...inherent problems of every OS?"
>>> Perhaps before casting your quick judgement again you should read a
>>> little more:
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2005/may05/05-13WindowsOneCarePR.asp
>>>
>>> What OS has no need of a firewall?
>>
>> The real question is who needs a Microsoft firewall. Fools that put
>> their trust in MS to protect them, after seeing what MS's security
>> record has been thoughout the years!
>>
>> How long has MS been selling OS's? Decades? And how long has MS
>> taken security seriously? A few years!
>>
>>> What OS has no need of anti virus protection?
>>
>> The real question is who needs MSAV to protect them from viruses
>> written to exploit the all the wholes in MS's OSs?! Fools that
>> place all there faith in one company that has a horrible security
>> track record! Mozilla just patched up two security holes in their
>> browser in a the
>> span of about a week. MS has taken over six months to patch up its
>> holes.
>>> And more...
>>
>> And more nonsense! MS can't be trusted. It's bad enough to have to
>> keep on adding patches to the MS OS quilt, now MS wants people to
>> subscribe to another layer of MicroBS which will have its own holes?
>>
>> MS is just the fattest most unliked target that can't help but get
>> hit!
>>> This appears to be geared to less experienced users who can use help
>>> maintaining their computers.
>>
>> LOL! Just paint a big fat target on all the MicroTurkeys!
>>
>>> Of course users can choose to use or not use the service and still
>>> maintain the safety and security of their computers.
>>
>> Yep! Why trust MS, the people that brought us alot of the security
>> holes that are exploited by malware writers today?!
>>
>>> But for your FUD to work, some of these facts need to be
>>> ignored...or did you simply not know?
>>
>> "'...inherent problems of their OS?' Better said as '...inherent
>> problems of every OS?'"
>>
>> Why would that be better? Is NoOne Cares being written to protect
>> any other OS other than MS's OS?
>>
>> So there really was no FUD in my question. All you did was blather
>> on, and made unconnected assumptions, and didn't bother to actually
>> answer the question!
>>
>> The only FUD here is Juppy FUD!
>>
>> Answer the effin' question posed, instead of trying to changed the
>> effin' subject!
>>
>> Are you gonna pay MS a subscription to further protect your MS OS?
>>
>>
>>> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
>>> message news:O8Kup19VFHA.2748@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>>> http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1009_22-5705430.html?tag=nl.e589
>>>>
>>>> Anyone want to give MS more money to fix the inherent problems of
>>>> their OS?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Peace!
>>>> Kurt
>>>> Self-anointed Moderator
>>>> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
>>>> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"
>>>
>>> Back to your childish games of changing the words of others!

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kurttrail
07-09-2005, 11:26 PM
Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
> I said "What OS", not "Whose OS"

LOL! Somebody doesn't answer your question! Can you say poetic
justice?!

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Jupiter Jones [MVP]
07-09-2005, 11:26 PM
I answered your question Kurt.
No one but can help you read if you choose to ignore what is written.

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"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in message
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> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
>> I said "What OS", not "Whose OS"
>
> LOL! Somebody doesn't answer your question! Can you say poetic justice?!
>
> --
> Peace!
> Kurt
> Self-anointed Moderator
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

kurttrail
07-09-2005, 11:26 PM
Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
> I answered your question Kurt.
> No one but can help you read if you choose to ignore what is written.

No you didn't. All you did was change the subject to needlessly protect
your precious MS.

>
>
> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
> message news:ueaAiXAWFHA.3128@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
>>> I said "What OS", not "Whose OS"
>>
>> LOL! Somebody doesn't answer your question! Can you say poetic
>> justice?! --
>> Peace!
>> Kurt
>> Self-anointed Moderator
>> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
>> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

Just like you needlessly change my words. You are a total child, and
your daddy is Microsoft.

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kurttrail
07-09-2005, 11:26 PM
Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
> I answered your question Kurt.
> No one but can help you read if you choose to ignore what is written.

No you didn't. All you did was change the subject to needlessly protect
your precious MS.

>
>
> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
> message news:ueaAiXAWFHA.3128@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
>>> I said "What OS", not "Whose OS"
>>
>> LOL! Somebody doesn't answer your question! Can you say poetic
>> justice?! --
>> Peace!
>> Kurt
>> Self-anointed Moderator
>> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
>> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

Just like you needlessly change my words. You are a total child, and
MS is your momma.

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kurttrail
07-09-2005, 11:26 PM
Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
> I answered your question Kurt.
> No one but can help you read if you choose to ignore what is written.

No you didn't. All you did was change the subject to needlessly protect
your precious MS.

>
>
> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
> message news:ueaAiXAWFHA.3128@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
>>> I said "What OS", not "Whose OS"
>>
>> LOL! Somebody doesn't answer your question! Can you say poetic
>> justice?! --
>> Peace!
>> Kurt
>> Self-anointed Moderator
>> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
>> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

Just like you needlessly change my words. You are a total child, and
MS is your momma.

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kurttrail
07-09-2005, 11:26 PM
Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
> I answered your question Kurt.
> No one but can help you read if you choose to ignore what is written.

No you didn't. All you did was change the subject to needlessly protect
your precious MS.

>
>
> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
> message news:ueaAiXAWFHA.3128@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
>>> I said "What OS", not "Whose OS"
>>
>> LOL! Somebody doesn't answer your question! Can you say poetic
>> justice?! --
>> Peace!
>> Kurt
>> Self-anointed Moderator
>> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
>> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

Just like you needlessly change my words. You are a total child, and
MS is your momma.

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kurttrail
07-09-2005, 11:26 PM
Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
> I answered your question Kurt.
> No one but can help you read if you choose to ignore what is written.

No you didn't. All you did was change the subject to needlessly protect
your precious MS.

>
>
> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
> message news:ueaAiXAWFHA.3128@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
>>> I said "What OS", not "Whose OS"
>>
>> LOL! Somebody doesn't answer your question! Can you say poetic
>> justice?! --
>> Peace!
>> Kurt
>> Self-anointed Moderator
>> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
>> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

Just like you needlessly change my words. You are a total child, and
MS is your momma.

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kurttrail
07-09-2005, 11:26 PM
kurttrail wrote:
> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
>> I answered your question Kurt.
>> No one but can help you read if you choose to ignore what is written.
>
> No you didn't. All you did was change the subject to needlessly
> protect your precious MS.
>
>>
>>
>> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
>> message news:ueaAiXAWFHA.3128@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
>>>> I said "What OS", not "Whose OS"
>>>
>>> LOL! Somebody doesn't answer your question! Can you say poetic
>>> justice?! --
>>> Peace!
>>> Kurt
>>> Self-anointed Moderator
>>> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
>>> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"
>
> Just like you needlessly change my words. You are a total child, and
> MS is your momma.

Cool error! I wonder if I can reproduce it.

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Shooter
07-09-2005, 11:26 PM
On Fri, 13 May 2005 13:01:28 -0400, "kurttrail"
<dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote:

>http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1009_22-5705430.html?tag=nl.e589

[snip from above link]
"and the right to get a live support person on the phone without
paying extra, the company said."

Wonder if that "Live" support is coming to you "Live" from India?

Regards,

kurttrail
07-09-2005, 11:26 PM
Shooter wrote:
> On Fri, 13 May 2005 13:01:28 -0400, "kurttrail"
> <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote:
>
>> http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1009_22-5705430.html?tag=nl.e589
>
> [snip from above link]
> "and the right to get a live support person on the phone without
> paying extra, the company said."
>
> Wonder if that "Live" support is coming to you "Live" from India?
>
> Regards,

It certainly won't be coming from Redmond!

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Leythos
07-09-2005, 11:26 PM
In article <#dZHtKCWFHA.2420@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl>,
dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
> > Wonder if that "Live" support is coming to you "Live" from India?
> >
> > Regards,
>
> It certainly won't be coming from Redmond!

When I call support I get an English speaking person in the USA ever
time.

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Alias
07-09-2005, 11:26 PM
"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote
> dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
>> > Wonder if that "Live" support is coming to you "Live" from India?
>> >
>> > Regards,
>>
>> It certainly won't be coming from Redmond!
>
> When I call support I get an English speaking person in the USA ever
> time.

I've never had the pleasure of calling MS support. Gosh, I wonder how I have
survived all these years without that!

Alias

Winux P
07-09-2005, 11:26 PM
If its' anything remotely challenging for them, they'll (MS
[un]Support[ive]) will offer to keep the issue open until resolution. Until
then they'll keep the money until resolution comes, if it comes at all. You
may get the install SP3 solution if you choose to wait for it. I see you've
also never had the humour of calling MS support either, funny when you
resolve an issue before they do. Stick to these new groups, after all MS
[un]Supportive[ive] most probably will scan them to find your solution.

The first thing they always is say, "hold on a few minutes please while I do
a search on your issue"... then... "found nothing, here's your incidence
number, please quote..." you get the rest of it.

-Winux P.


"Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
news:%23dRTiTCWFHA.2664@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
:
: "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote
: > dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
: >> > Wonder if that "Live" support is coming to you "Live" from India?
: >> >
: >> > Regards,
: >>
: >> It certainly won't be coming from Redmond!
: >
: > When I call support I get an English speaking person in the USA ever
: > time.
:
: I've never had the pleasure of calling MS support. Gosh, I wonder how I
have
: survived all these years without that!
:
: Alias
:
:

Leythos
07-09-2005, 11:26 PM
In article <ud$ovaCWFHA.2424@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>, winuxp@msnews.grp
says...
>
> If its' anything remotely challenging for them, they'll (MS
> [un]Support[ive]) will offer to keep the issue open until resolution. Until
> then they'll keep the money until resolution comes, if it comes at all. You
> may get the install SP3 solution if you choose to wait for it. I see you've
> also never had the humour of calling MS support either, funny when you
> resolve an issue before they do. Stick to these new groups, after all MS
> [un]Supportive[ive] most probably will scan them to find your solution.
>
> The first thing they always is say, "hold on a few minutes please while I do
> a search on your issue"... then... "found nothing, here's your incidence
> number, please quote..." you get the rest of it.

That's not the way it worked for me the last time.

I was finding it impossible to get a 2003 server to allow inbound PPTP
sessions through RAS, tried everything I could think of. Switched out
firewalls with known good ones.... I finally called MS and the chap
spent about 2 hours on the phone with me, sending me diagnostic code, me
sending traces/reports, etc... He did this even though we had both
determined it was the firewall (not a MS product) that was causing the
problem and that MS had nothing at fault. Oh, I was not charged anything
for the support call.

Even when it is related to something from MS, I've always found they
could solve it in short order (under 4 hours) and didn't charge me for
it.

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kurttrail
07-09-2005, 11:26 PM
Leythos wrote:
> In article <#dZHtKCWFHA.2420@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl>,
> dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
>>> Wonder if that "Live" support is coming to you "Live" from India?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>
>> It certainly won't be coming from Redmond!
>
> When I call support I get an English speaking person in the USA ever
> time.

And what number do you call?

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Alias
07-09-2005, 11:26 PM
"Winux P" <winuxp@msnews.grp> wrote
>
> If its' anything remotely challenging for them, they'll (MS
> [un]Support[ive]) will offer to keep the issue open until resolution.
> Until
> then they'll keep the money until resolution comes, if it comes at all.
> You
> may get the install SP3 solution if you choose to wait for it. I see
> you've
> also never had the humour of calling MS support either, funny when you
> resolve an issue before they do. Stick to these new groups, after all MS
> [un]Supportive[ive] most probably will scan them to find your solution.

Much cheaper, easier and effective to get support on these groups, I agree.
>
> The first thing they always is say, "hold on a few minutes please while I
> do
> a search on your issue"... then... "found nothing, here's your incidence
> number, please quote..." you get the rest of it.
>
> -Winux P.

You don't get the recording that says something like "If your problem is
with MSN Internet, press 1. If you problem is with Windows XP, press 2,
etc."?

In Spain, the ISPs thought it clever and cute to charge for calling support
until our looney much more left than Clinton/Gore/Kerry will ever dream of
being government is insisting that support be a free call ...

Alias, old and its's way past time to hit the sack. Maana mas.
>
>
> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
> news:%23dRTiTCWFHA.2664@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> :
> : "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote
> : > dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
> : >> > Wonder if that "Live" support is coming to you "Live" from India?
> : >> >
> : >> > Regards,
> : >>
> : >> It certainly won't be coming from Redmond!
> : >
> : > When I call support I get an English speaking person in the USA ever
> : > time.
> :
> : I've never had the pleasure of calling MS support. Gosh, I wonder how I
> have
> : survived all these years without that!
> :
> : Alias
> :
> :
>
>

Winux P
07-09-2005, 11:26 PM
Lucky you Laythos, that the support technician didn't make you uninstall
every service pack, patch, fix and switch off services and turn on others
just to try and get a MS blue tooth keyboard and mouse working, and when my
system was left on the edge I get the, "we can keep this issue open until
resolution" benign offer. Now they want to charge money to fix their short
comings???

-Winux P.


"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
news:MPG.1cef23b6e3d9756d989728@news-server.columbus.rr.com...
: In article <ud$ovaCWFHA.2424@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>, winuxp@msnews.grp
: says...
: >
: > If its' anything remotely challenging for them, they'll (MS
: > [un]Support[ive]) will offer to keep the issue open until resolution.
Until
: > then they'll keep the money until resolution comes, if it comes at all.
You
: > may get the install SP3 solution if you choose to wait for it. I see
you've
: > also never had the humour of calling MS support either, funny when you
: > resolve an issue before they do. Stick to these new groups, after all MS
: > [un]Supportive[ive] most probably will scan them to find your solution.
: >
: > The first thing they always is say, "hold on a few minutes please while
I do
: > a search on your issue"... then... "found nothing, here's your incidence
: > number, please quote..." you get the rest of it.
:
: That's not the way it worked for me the last time.
:
: I was finding it impossible to get a 2003 server to allow inbound PPTP
: sessions through RAS, tried everything I could think of. Switched out
: firewalls with known good ones.... I finally called MS and the chap
: spent about 2 hours on the phone with me, sending me diagnostic code, me
: sending traces/reports, etc... He did this even though we had both
: determined it was the firewall (not a MS product) that was causing the
: problem and that MS had nothing at fault. Oh, I was not charged anything
: for the support call.
:
: Even when it is related to something from MS, I've always found they
: could solve it in short order (under 4 hours) and didn't charge me for
: it.
:
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Alias
07-09-2005, 11:26 PM
"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote
> Leythos wrote:

>> dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
>>>> Wonder if that "Live" support is coming to you "Live" from India?
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> It certainly won't be coming from Redmond!
>>
>> When I call support I get an English speaking person in the USA ever
>> time.
>
> And what number do you call?
>
> --
> Peace!
> Kurt

Heh, heh, you're incorrigible, Kurt.

Alias

Leythos
07-09-2005, 11:26 PM
In article <#AWBkhCWFHA.3840@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl>,
dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
> Leythos wrote:
> > In article <#dZHtKCWFHA.2420@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl>,
> > dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
> >>> Wonder if that "Live" support is coming to you "Live" from India?
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>
> >> It certainly won't be coming from Redmond!
> >
> > When I call support I get an English speaking person in the USA ever
> > time.
>
> And what number do you call?

http://support.microsoft.com/?LN=en-us&x=11&y=8&scid=gp%3Ben-us%
3Bofferprophone

Try the ones on this page - never been charged for a single call yet.

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Leythos
07-09-2005, 11:26 PM
In article <edpeVqCWFHA.2664@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl>, winuxp@msnews.grp
says...
>
> Lucky you Laythos, that the support technician didn't make you uninstall
> every service pack, patch, fix and switch off services and turn on others
> just to try and get a MS blue tooth keyboard and mouse working, and when my
> system was left on the edge I get the, "we can keep this issue open until
> resolution" benign offer. Now they want to charge money to fix their short
> comings???

Actually, I think it's more of how you talk with them and if you are not
a egomaniac and talk like you actually know something and they get
treated with respect, they seem to be just like many of us - very
helpful and patient with lots of seriously in depth knowledge.

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Winux P
07-09-2005, 11:26 PM
"Security gripes? Microsoft feels your pain" I guess you can if you put your
hand in someones' pocket then sqeeze...

-Winux P.

"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in message
news:O8Kup19VFHA.2748@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
: http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1009_22-5705430.html?tag=nl.e589
:
: Anyone want to give MS more money to fix the inherent problems of their
: OS?
:
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Winux P
07-09-2005, 11:26 PM
Thanks for the tip, so talk like you know nothing and get free support.

-Winux P

"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
news:MPG.1cef2db3cd4b2d2498972a@news-server.columbus.rr.com...
: In article <edpeVqCWFHA.2664@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl>, winuxp@msnews.grp
: says...
: >
: > Lucky you Laythos, that the support technician didn't make you uninstall
: > every service pack, patch, fix and switch off services and turn on
others
: > just to try and get a MS blue tooth keyboard and mouse working, and when
my
: > system was left on the edge I get the, "we can keep this issue open
until
: > resolution" benign offer. Now they want to charge money to fix their
short
: > comings???
:
: Actually, I think it's more of how you talk with them and if you are not
: a egomaniac and talk like you actually know something and they get
: treated with respect, they seem to be just like many of us - very
: helpful and patient with lots of seriously in depth knowledge.
:
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kurttrail
07-09-2005, 11:26 PM
Leythos wrote:
> In article <#AWBkhCWFHA.3840@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl>,
> dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
>> Leythos wrote:
>>> In article <#dZHtKCWFHA.2420@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl>,
>>> dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
>>>>> Wonder if that "Live" support is coming to you "Live" from India?
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> It certainly won't be coming from Redmond!
>>>
>>> When I call support I get an English speaking person in the USA ever
>>> time.
>>
>> And what number do you call?
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/?LN=en-us&x=11&y=8&scid=gp%3Ben-us%
> 3Bofferprophone
>
> Try the ones on this page - never been charged for a single call yet.


Problem Resolution Requests:
Professional Support Call Now for $245 US OR Submit an Online Request for $99 US OR Call to Order a 5-Pack Phone Support Contract for $1225 US
Developers (800) 936-5800 (800) 936-3500
IT Professionals (800) 936-4900 (800) 936-3500
Partners (resellers/consultants) (888) 456-5570 (800) 936-3500
Microsoft Certified Partners (888) 677-9444 (800) 936-3500
Original Equipment Manufacturers (800) 936-2197 (800) 936-3500
System Builders (888) 456-5570 (800) 936-3500


I knew it wasn't the normal support lines.

So again I ask you, "And what number do you call?"

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HeyBub
07-09-2005, 11:26 PM
M wrote:
> See this update which I posted here 90 min + back...
>
> http://news.zdnet.co.uk/0,39020330,39198263,00.htm
>
> "(A UK) IT consultant... added: "Great idea - MS get to turn their
> security bugs into a revenue stream... Perhaps it should be more
> correctly renamed 'No one cares'."

If MS wanted another revenue stream, they could have sold ads on the BSOD.

No, while Windows works perfectly right out of the box, users start doing
dangerous and damaging things - like email and web surfing. It is these
stupid activities that MS no doubt tends to monitor and correct.

It's like buying a car: there is ZERO chance you'll have an accident until
you start doing stupid things with the new car: driving it home from the
dealership for example.

NoStop
07-09-2005, 11:26 PM
kurttrail wrote:

> Leythos wrote:
>> In article <#AWBkhCWFHA.3840@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl>,
>> dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
>>> Leythos wrote:
>>>> In article <#dZHtKCWFHA.2420@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl>,
>>>> dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
>>>>>> Wonder if that "Live" support is coming to you "Live" from India?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> It certainly won't be coming from Redmond!
>>>>
>>>> When I call support I get an English speaking person in the USA ever
>>>> time.
>>>
>>> And what number do you call?
>>
>> http://support.microsoft.com/?LN=en-us&x=11&y=8&scid=gp%3Ben-us%
>> 3Bofferprophone
>>
>> Try the ones on this page - never been charged for a single call yet.
>
>
> Problem Resolution Requests:
> Professional Support Call Now for $245 US OR Submit an Online Request
> for $99 US OR Call to Order a 5-Pack Phone Support Contract for $1225
> US
> Developers (800) 936-5800 (800) 936-3500
> IT Professionals (800) 936-4900 (800) 936-3500
> Partners (resellers/consultants) (888) 456-5570 (800) 936-3500
> Microsoft Certified Partners (888) 677-9444 (800) 936-3500
> Original Equipment Manufacturers (800) 936-2197 (800) 936-3500
> System Builders (888) 456-5570 (800) 936-3500
>
>
> I knew it wasn't the normal support lines.
>
> So again I ask you, "And what number do you call?"
>
I think I'll take the 5-pack please.

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07-09-2005, 11:26 PM
In news:O0E2ETBWFHA.2124@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl,
kurttrail <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> replied with a ;-)
> kurttrail wrote:
>> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
>>> I answered your question Kurt.
>>> No one but can help you read if you choose to ignore what is
>>> written.
>>
>> No you didn't. All you did was change the subject to needlessly
>> protect your precious MS.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
>>> message news:ueaAiXAWFHA.3128@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
>>>>> I said "What OS", not "Whose OS"
>>>>
>>>> LOL! Somebody doesn't answer your question! Can you say poetic
>>>> justice?! --
>>>> Peace!
>>>> Kurt
>>>> Self-anointed Moderator
>>>> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
>>>> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"
>>
>> Just like you needlessly change my words. You are a total child, and
>> MS is your momma.
>
> Cool error! I wonder if I can reproduce it.

You only wish you could!!! LOL It would make your censored page a lonely
offspring. <G>
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HeyBub
07-09-2005, 11:27 PM
kurttrail wrote:
> bumtracks wrote:
>>> But for your FUD to work, some of these facts need to be
>>> ignored...or did you simply not know?
>>
>> what's a FUD
>
> Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt. And it has no correlation to the
> question I asked.
>
> "Anyone want to give MS more money to fix the inherent problems of
> their OS?"

Possibly because the question you asked doesn't make sense. No, not a bit.

Micros~1 is not proposing a solution to their own vulnerabilities - they are
proposing a solution to the ignorance of their users and the malovelence of
others.

David Candy
07-09-2005, 11:27 PM
A marketing tactic owned by IBM.

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"bumtracks" <visiting@corner.bar> wrote in message news:h47he.245$sr1.28@trnddc04...
>
>> But for your FUD to work, some of these facts need to be ignored...or did
>> you simply not know?
>
> what's a FUD
>
>

kurttrail
07-09-2005, 11:27 PM
HeyBub wrote:
> kurttrail wrote:
>> bumtracks wrote:
>>>> But for your FUD to work, some of these facts need to be
>>>> ignored...or did you simply not know?
>>>
>>> what's a FUD
>>
>> Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt. And it has no correlation to the
>> question I asked.
>>
>> "Anyone want to give MS more money to fix the inherent problems of
>> their OS?"
>
> Possibly because the question you asked doesn't make sense. No, not a
> bit.

Change "fix" to "protect you from."

Too bad that Juppy didn't mean that!

> Micros~1 is not proposing a solution to their own vulnerabilities -

They are proposing protection from exploitation of their
vulnerabilities. If they actually fixed the vulnerabilities, they
wouldn't get you to resubscribe to the NoOne Cares subscription!

> they are proposing a solution to the ignorance of their users and the
> malovelence of others.

You should work for MS Marketing.

"Are you are you ingnorant, subscribe to NoOne Cares!"

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Leythos
07-09-2005, 11:27 PM
In article <ewdJz#CWFHA.2684@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl>, winuxp@msnews.grp
says...
>
> Thanks for the tip, so talk like you know nothing and get free support.

No, that was lame. Explain the facts, don't get angry or abusive, don't
complain, just give the facts and specific details about what you've
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Leythos
07-09-2005, 11:27 PM
In article <#mLoJEDWFHA.2684@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl>,
dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
> Leythos wrote:
> > In article <#AWBkhCWFHA.3840@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl>,
> > dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
> >> Leythos wrote:
> >>> In article <#dZHtKCWFHA.2420@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl>,
> >>> dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
> >>>>> Wonder if that "Live" support is coming to you "Live" from India?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> It certainly won't be coming from Redmond!
> >>>
> >>> When I call support I get an English speaking person in the USA ever
> >>> time.
> >>
> >> And what number do you call?
> >
> > http://support.microsoft.com/?LN=en-us&x=11&y=8&scid=gp%3Ben-us%
> > 3Bofferprophone
> >
> > Try the ones on this page - never been charged for a single call yet.
>
>
> Problem Resolution Requests:
> Professional Support Call Now for $245 US OR Submit an Online Request for $99 US OR Call to Order a 5-Pack Phone Support Contract for $1225 US
> Developers (800) 936-5800 (800) 936-3500
> IT Professionals (800) 936-4900 (800) 936-3500
> Partners (resellers/consultants) (888) 456-5570 (800) 936-3500
> Microsoft Certified Partners (888) 677-9444 (800) 936-3500
> Original Equipment Manufacturers (800) 936-2197 (800) 936-3500
> System Builders (888) 456-5570 (800) 936-3500
>
>
> I knew it wasn't the normal support lines.
>
> So again I ask you, "And what number do you call?"

IT Professionals (800) 936-4900 (800) 936-3500

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Steve N.
07-09-2005, 11:27 PM
NoStop wrote:

> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
>
>
>>I said "What OS", not "Whose OS"
>>
>
> Oh, sorry. OK, the OS I use is Linux. It doesn't require a firewall, nor
> anti-virus software and I run neither on my Linux box.
>

Every linux distro I've used includes a firewall and it is enabled by
default. Did you disable it?

Steve

Steve N.
07-09-2005, 11:27 PM
kurttrail wrote:

> kurttrail wrote:
>
>>Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
>>
>>>I answered your question Kurt.
>>>No one but can help you read if you choose to ignore what is written.
>>
>>No you didn't. All you did was change the subject to needlessly
>>protect your precious MS.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
>>>message news:ueaAiXAWFHA.3128@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>>>Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I said "What OS", not "Whose OS"
>>>>
>>>>LOL! Somebody doesn't answer your question! Can you say poetic
>>>>justice?! --
>>>>Peace!
>>>>Kurt
>>>>Self-anointed Moderator
>>>>xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
>>>>"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"
>>
>>Just like you needlessly change my words. You are a total child, and
>>MS is your momma.
>
>
> Cool error! I wonder if I can reproduce it.
>

Doubtful. Looks like a propogation glitch probably at adelphia.net
newsserver(s), they all have different message IDs and the path is not
consistent.

Steve

NoStop
07-09-2005, 11:27 PM
Steve N. wrote:

> NoStop wrote:
>
>> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I said "What OS", not "Whose OS"
>>>
>>
>> Oh, sorry. OK, the OS I use is Linux. It doesn't require a firewall, nor
>> anti-virus software and I run neither on my Linux box.
>>
>
> Every linux distro I've used includes a firewall and it is enabled by
> default. Did you disable it?
>
> Steve

Mandrake 10.1 is what I use on this particular box and it comes with the
firewall turned off by default.

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kurttrail
07-09-2005, 11:27 PM
Steve N. wrote:
> kurttrail wrote:
>
>> kurttrail wrote:
>>
>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
>>>
>>>> I answered your question Kurt.
>>>> No one but can help you read if you choose to ignore what is
>>>> written.
>>>
>>> No you didn't. All you did was change the subject to needlessly
>>> protect your precious MS.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
>>>> message news:ueaAiXAWFHA.3128@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I said "What OS", not "Whose OS"
>>>>>
>>>>> LOL! Somebody doesn't answer your question! Can you say poetic
>>>>> justice?! --
>>>>> Peace!
>>>>> Kurt
>>>>> Self-anointed Moderator
>>>>> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
>>>>> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"
>>>
>>> Just like you needlessly change my words. You are a total child,
>>> and MS is your momma.
>>
>>
>> Cool error! I wonder if I can reproduce it.
>>
>
> Doubtful. Looks like a propogation glitch probably at adelphia.net
> newsserver(s), they all have different message IDs and the path is not
> consistent.
>
> Steve

It was stuck in my Outbox, so I decided to edit it. I did but when I
tried to send itIt came up with an error that it couldn't be deleted.
So I tried sending it again, and again . . . . finally I just closed it
out and it sent one more copy.

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kurttrail
07-09-2005, 11:27 PM
Leythos wrote:
> In article <#mLoJEDWFHA.2684@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl>,
> dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
>> Leythos wrote:
>>> In article <#AWBkhCWFHA.3840@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl>,
>>> dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
>>>> Leythos wrote:
>>>>> In article <#dZHtKCWFHA.2420@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl>,
>>>>> dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
>>>>>>> Wonder if that "Live" support is coming to you "Live" from
>>>>>>> India?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It certainly won't be coming from Redmond!
>>>>>
>>>>> When I call support I get an English speaking person in the USA
>>>>> ever time.
>>>>
>>>> And what number do you call?
>>>
>>> http://support.microsoft.com/?LN=en-us&x=11&y=8&scid=gp%3Ben-us%
>>> 3Bofferprophone
>>>
>>> Try the ones on this page - never been charged for a single call
>>> yet.
>>
>>
>> Problem Resolution Requests:
>> Professional Support Call Now for $245 US OR Submit an Online
>> Request for $99 US OR Call to Order a 5-Pack Phone Support
>> Contract for $1225 US Developers (800) 936-5800 (800)
>> 936-3500 IT Professionals (800) 936-4900 (800) 936-3500
>> Partners (resellers/consultants) (888) 456-5570 (800)
>> 936-3500 Microsoft Certified Partners (888) 677-9444 (800)
>> 936-3500 Original Equipment Manufacturers (800) 936-2197
>> (800) 936-3500 System Builders (888) 456-5570 (800) 936-3500
>>
>>
>> I knew it wasn't the normal support lines.
>>
>> So again I ask you, "And what number do you call?"
>
> IT Professionals (800) 936-4900 (800) 936-3500
>
> --

And you are recommending that average users should call these numbers,
and take the risk of having to pay $245? Are you offering to pay if
their calls don't end up being free?

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Leythos
07-09-2005, 11:27 PM
In article <OKEx8qLWFHA.2796@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl>,
dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
> Leythos wrote:
> > In article <#mLoJEDWFHA.2684@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl>,
> > dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
> >> Leythos wrote:
> >>> In article <#AWBkhCWFHA.3840@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl>,
> >>> dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
> >>>> Leythos wrote:
> >>>>> In article <#dZHtKCWFHA.2420@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl>,
> >>>>> dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
> >>>>>>> Wonder if that "Live" support is coming to you "Live" from
> >>>>>>> India?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It certainly won't be coming from Redmond!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> When I call support I get an English speaking person in the USA
> >>>>> ever time.
> >>>>
> >>>> And what number do you call?
> >>>
> >>> http://support.microsoft.com/?LN=en-us&x=11&y=8&scid=gp%3Ben-us%
> >>> 3Bofferprophone
> >>>
> >>> Try the ones on this page - never been charged for a single call
> >>> yet.
> >>
> >>
> >> Problem Resolution Requests:
> >> Professional Support Call Now for $245 US OR Submit an Online
> >> Request for $99 US OR Call to Order a 5-Pack Phone Support
> >> Contract for $1225 US Developers (800) 936-5800 (800)
> >> 936-3500 IT Professionals (800) 936-4900 (800) 936-3500
> >> Partners (resellers/consultants) (888) 456-5570 (800)
> >> 936-3500 Microsoft Certified Partners (888) 677-9444 (800)
> >> 936-3500 Original Equipment Manufacturers (800) 936-2197
> >> (800) 936-3500 System Builders (888) 456-5570 (800) 936-3500
> >>
> >>
> >> I knew it wasn't the normal support lines.
> >>
> >> So again I ask you, "And what number do you call?"
> >
> > IT Professionals (800) 936-4900 (800) 936-3500
> >
> > --
>
> And you are recommending that average users should call these numbers,
> and take the risk of having to pay $245? Are you offering to pay if
> their calls don't end up being free?

Why would you ask if I was recommending anything - At no point in this
thread have I advocated/recommended anything except that I get quality
support and have not been charged for it in many years.

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Winux P
07-09-2005, 11:27 PM
Sorry what are you taking about, how did you come to this conclusion? Oh no,
please you've confused me with someone whose interested. Also where's the
free support section on the webpage you stated? It's OK that's rhetorical...

By the way I should have got nary and abusive after I explained that facts
and someone wanted money to fix their very own stuff ups. Which is what this
threads about, not the glorious free support your diplomacy got you. Now go
defecate it will clear that facial expression up Geythos.

-Winux P.

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: says...
: >
: > Thanks for the tip, so talk like you know nothing and get free support.
:
: No, that was lame. Explain the facts, don't get angry or abusive, don't
: complain, just give the facts and specific details about what you've
: already done - in a positive tone.
:
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kurttrail
07-09-2005, 11:27 PM
Leythos wrote:
> In article <OKEx8qLWFHA.2796@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl>,
> dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
>> Leythos wrote:
>>> In article <#mLoJEDWFHA.2684@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl>,
>>> dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
>>>> Leythos wrote:
>>>>> In article <#AWBkhCWFHA.3840@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl>,
>>>>> dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
>>>>>> Leythos wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <#dZHtKCWFHA.2420@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl>,
>>>>>>> dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
>>>>>>>>> Wonder if that "Live" support is coming to you "Live" from
>>>>>>>>> India?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It certainly won't be coming from Redmond!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When I call support I get an English speaking person in the USA
>>>>>>> ever time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And what number do you call?
>>>>>
>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/?LN=en-us&x=11&y=8&scid=gp%3Ben-us%
>>>>> 3Bofferprophone
>>>>>
>>>>> Try the ones on this page - never been charged for a single call
>>>>> yet.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Problem Resolution Requests:
>>>> Professional Support Call Now for $245 US OR Submit an Online
>>>> Request for $99 US OR Call to Order a 5-Pack Phone Support
>>>> Contract for $1225 US Developers (800) 936-5800 (800)
>>>> 936-3500 IT Professionals (800) 936-4900 (800) 936-3500
>>>> Partners (resellers/consultants) (888) 456-5570 (800)
>>>> 936-3500 Microsoft Certified Partners (888) 677-9444 (800)
>>>> 936-3500 Original Equipment Manufacturers (800) 936-2197
>>>> (800) 936-3500 System Builders (888) 456-5570 (800) 936-3500
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I knew it wasn't the normal support lines.
>>>>
>>>> So again I ask you, "And what number do you call?"
>>>
>>> IT Professionals (800) 936-4900 (800) 936-3500
>>>
>>> --
>>
>> And you are recommending that average users should call these
>> numbers, and take the risk of having to pay $245? Are you offering
>> to pay if their calls don't end up being free?
>
> Why would you ask if I was recommending anything - At no point in this
> thread have I advocated/recommended anything except that I get quality
> support and have not been charged for it in many years.

LOL! Yep, you are only here for yourself, not to help others!

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Leythos
07-09-2005, 11:27 PM
In article <eLAox0MWFHA.2540@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl>, winuxp@msnews.grp
says...
>
> Sorry what are you taking about, how did you come to this conclusion? Oh no,
> please you've confused me with someone whose interested. Also where's the
> free support section on the webpage you stated? It's OK that's rhetorical...
>
> By the way I should have got nary and abusive after I explained that facts
> and someone wanted money to fix their very own stuff ups. Which is what this
> threads about, not the glorious free support your diplomacy got you. Now go
> defecate it will clear that facial expression up Geythos.

You were interested enough to post and troll. It's obvious you resort to
trolling when you have nothing constructive to contribute.


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Leythos
07-09-2005, 11:27 PM
In article <##Rqw0MWFHA.4076@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl>,
dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
> Leythos wrote:
> > In article <OKEx8qLWFHA.2796@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl>,
> > dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
> >> Leythos wrote:
> >>> In article <#mLoJEDWFHA.2684@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl>,
> >>> dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
> >>>> Leythos wrote:
> >>>>> In article <#AWBkhCWFHA.3840@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl>,
> >>>>> dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
> >>>>>> Leythos wrote:
> >>>>>>> In article <#dZHtKCWFHA.2420@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl>,
> >>>>>>> dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
> >>>>>>>>> Wonder if that "Live" support is coming to you "Live" from
> >>>>>>>>> India?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> It certainly won't be coming from Redmond!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> When I call support I get an English speaking person in the USA
> >>>>>>> ever time.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> And what number do you call?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/?LN=en-us&x=11&y=8&scid=gp%3Ben-us%
> >>>>> 3Bofferprophone
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Try the ones on this page - never been charged for a single call
> >>>>> yet.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Problem Resolution Requests:
> >>>> Professional Support Call Now for $245 US OR Submit an Online
> >>>> Request for $99 US OR Call to Order a 5-Pack Phone Support
> >>>> Contract for $1225 US Developers (800) 936-5800 (800)
> >>>> 936-3500 IT Professionals (800) 936-4900 (800) 936-3500
> >>>> Partners (resellers/consultants) (888) 456-5570 (800)
> >>>> 936-3500 Microsoft Certified Partners (888) 677-9444 (800)
> >>>> 936-3500 Original Equipment Manufacturers (800) 936-2197
> >>>> (800) 936-3500 System Builders (888) 456-5570 (800) 936-3500
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I knew it wasn't the normal support lines.
> >>>>
> >>>> So again I ask you, "And what number do you call?"
> >>>
> >>> IT Professionals (800) 936-4900 (800) 936-3500
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>
> >> And you are recommending that average users should call these
> >> numbers, and take the risk of having to pay $245? Are you offering
> >> to pay if their calls don't end up being free?
> >
> > Why would you ask if I was recommending anything - At no point in this
> > thread have I advocated/recommended anything except that I get quality
> > support and have not been charged for it in many years.
>
> LOL! Yep, you are only here for yourself, not to help others!

I'm here to help and be helped if needed, but I only related my
experience to calling for support to a post about calling support.

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kurttrail
07-09-2005, 11:27 PM
Leythos wrote:
> In article <##Rqw0MWFHA.4076@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl>,
> dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
>> Leythos wrote:
>>> In article <OKEx8qLWFHA.2796@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl>,
>>> dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
>>>> Leythos wrote:
>>>>> In article <#mLoJEDWFHA.2684@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl>,
>>>>> dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
>>>>>> Leythos wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <#AWBkhCWFHA.3840@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl>,
>>>>>>> dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
>>>>>>>> Leythos wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article <#dZHtKCWFHA.2420@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl>,
>>>>>>>>> dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
>>>>>>>>>>> Wonder if that "Live" support is coming to you "Live" from
>>>>>>>>>>> India?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It certainly won't be coming from Redmond!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When I call support I get an English speaking person in the
>>>>>>>>> USA ever time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And what number do you call?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/?LN=en-us&x=11&y=8&scid=gp%3Ben-us%
>>>>>>> 3Bofferprophone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Try the ones on this page - never been charged for a single call
>>>>>>> yet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Problem Resolution Requests:
>>>>>> Professional Support Call Now for $245 US OR Submit an
>>>>>> Online Request for $99 US OR Call to Order a 5-Pack Phone
>>>>>> Support Contract for $1225 US Developers (800) 936-5800
>>>>>> (800) 936-3500 IT Professionals (800) 936-4900 (800)
>>>>>> 936-3500 Partners (resellers/consultants) (888) 456-5570
>>>>>> (800) 936-3500 Microsoft Certified Partners (888) 677-9444
>>>>>> (800) 936-3500 Original Equipment Manufacturers (800)
>>>>>> 936-2197 (800) 936-3500 System Builders (888) 456-5570 (800)
>>>>>> 936-3500
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I knew it wasn't the normal support lines.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So again I ask you, "And what number do you call?"
>>>>>
>>>>> IT Professionals (800) 936-4900 (800) 936-3500
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> And you are recommending that average users should call these
>>>> numbers, and take the risk of having to pay $245? Are you offering
>>>> to pay if their calls don't end up being free?
>>>
>>> Why would you ask if I was recommending anything - At no point in
>>> this thread have I advocated/recommended anything except that I get
>>> quality support and have not been charged for it in many years.
>>
>> LOL! Yep, you are only here for yourself, not to help others!
>
> I'm here to help and be helped if needed, but I only related my
> experience to calling for support to a post about calling support.

Yet you are not recommending the same method for others to follow! Why
is that?

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Winux P
07-09-2005, 11:27 PM
Oh poor Geythos the great contributor of a free support webpage with listed
support pricing, now go get your medication increased and please do respond.


-Winux P

"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
news:MPG.1cf04d9435328378989733@news-server.columbus.rr.com...
: In article <eLAox0MWFHA.2540@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl>, winuxp@msnews.grp
: says...
: >
: > Sorry what are you taking about, how did you come to this conclusion? Oh
no,
: > please you've confused me with someone whose interested. Also where's
the
: > free support section on the webpage you stated? It's OK that's
rhetorical...
: >
: > By the way I should have got nary and abusive after I explained that
facts
: > and someone wanted money to fix their very own stuff ups. Which is what
this
: > threads about, not the glorious free support your diplomacy got you. Now
go
: > defecate it will clear that facial expression up Geythos.
:
: You were interested enough to post and troll. It's obvious you resort to
: trolling when you have nothing constructive to contribute.
:
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Leythos
07-09-2005, 11:28 PM
In article <#$8COzNWFHA.1040@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>,
dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
> >>>>>>>>> When I call support I get an English speaking person in the
> >>>>>>>>> USA ever time.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> And what number do you call?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/?LN=en-us&x=11&y=8&scid=gp%3Ben-us%
> >>>>>>> 3Bofferprophone
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Try the ones on this page - never been charged for a single call
> >>>>>>> yet.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Problem Resolution Requests:
> >>>>>> Professional Support Call Now for $245 US OR Submit an
> >>>>>> Online Request for $99 US OR Call to Order a 5-Pack Phone
> >>>>>> Support Contract for $1225 US Developers (800) 936-5800
> >>>>>> (800) 936-3500 IT Professionals (800) 936-4900 (800)
> >>>>>> 936-3500 Partners (resellers/consultants) (888) 456-5570
> >>>>>> (800) 936-3500 Microsoft Certified Partners (888) 677-9444
> >>>>>> (800) 936-3500 Original Equipment Manufacturers (800)
> >>>>>> 936-2197 (800) 936-3500 System Builders (888) 456-5570 (800)
> >>>>>> 936-3500
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I knew it wasn't the normal support lines.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> So again I ask you, "And what number do you call?"
> >>>>>
> >>>>> IT Professionals (800) 936-4900 (800) 936-3500
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>
> >>>> And you are recommending that average users should call these
> >>>> numbers, and take the risk of having to pay $245? Are you offering
> >>>> to pay if their calls don't end up being free?
> >>>
> >>> Why would you ask if I was recommending anything - At no point in
> >>> this thread have I advocated/recommended anything except that I get
> >>> quality support and have not been charged for it in many years.
> >>
> >> LOL! Yep, you are only here for yourself, not to help others!
> >
> > I'm here to help and be helped if needed, but I only related my
> > experience to calling for support to a post about calling support.
>
> Yet you are not recommending the same method for others to follow! Why
> is that?

I posted how I get support and that it didn't cost me anything. The
reason for it was that many people don't know about the other support
options and have no idea that if it's a MS problem, not a user created
problem, that MS will not charge you for it.

It's up to the MS technicians discretion as to charge/not-charge and
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Leythos
07-09-2005, 11:28 PM
In article <OKCGE7NWFHA.3184@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl>, winuxp@msnews.grp
says...
>
> Oh poor Geythos the great contributor of a free support webpage with listed
> support pricing, now go get your medication increased and please do respond.

Oh, lame troll, I never posted that support was free - only that I was
not charged for it during the last several years of using it. I didn't
really expect a troll like you to understand that, since I don't expect
you to be able to follow a discussion or actually understand what you
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kurttrail
07-09-2005, 11:28 PM
Leythos wrote:
> In article <#$8COzNWFHA.1040@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>,
> dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
>>>>>>>>>>> When I call support I get an English speaking person in the
>>>>>>>>>>> USA ever time.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And what number do you call?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/?LN=en-us&x=11&y=8&scid=gp%3Ben-us%
>>>>>>>>> 3Bofferprophone
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Try the ones on this page - never been charged for a single
>>>>>>>>> call yet.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Problem Resolution Requests:
>>>>>>>> Professional Support Call Now for $245 US OR Submit an
>>>>>>>> Online Request for $99 US OR Call to Order a 5-Pack Phone
>>>>>>>> Support Contract for $1225 US Developers (800) 936-5800
>>>>>>>> (800) 936-3500 IT Professionals (800) 936-4900 (800)
>>>>>>>> 936-3500 Partners (resellers/consultants) (888) 456-5570
>>>>>>>> (800) 936-3500 Microsoft Certified Partners (888) 677-9444
>>>>>>>> (800) 936-3500 Original Equipment Manufacturers (800)
>>>>>>>> 936-2197 (800) 936-3500 System Builders (888) 456-5570 (800)
>>>>>>>> 936-3500
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I knew it wasn't the normal support lines.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So again I ask you, "And what number do you call?"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> IT Professionals (800) 936-4900 (800) 936-3500
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And you are recommending that average users should call these
>>>>>> numbers, and take the risk of having to pay $245? Are you
>>>>>> offering to pay if their calls don't end up being free?
>>>>>
>>>>> Why would you ask if I was recommending anything - At no point in
>>>>> this thread have I advocated/recommended anything except that I
>>>>> get quality support and have not been charged for it in many
>>>>> years.
>>>>
>>>> LOL! Yep, you are only here for yourself, not to help others!
>>>
>>> I'm here to help and be helped if needed, but I only related my
>>> experience to calling for support to a post about calling support.
>>
>> Yet you are not recommending the same method for others to follow!
>> Why is that?
>
> I posted how I get support and that it didn't cost me anything. The
> reason for it was that many people don't know about the other support
> options and have no idea that if it's a MS problem, not a user created
> problem, that MS will not charge you for it.
>
> It's up to the MS technicians discretion as to charge/not-charge and
> that being a good/polite customer goes a long way to not being
> charged.

"Yet you are not recommending the same method for others to follow! Why
is that?"

More BS, no answer.

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Leythos
07-09-2005, 11:28 PM
In article <#noYW0OWFHA.628@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl>,
dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
> Leythos wrote:
> > In article <#$8COzNWFHA.1040@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>,
> > dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
> >>>>>>>>>>> When I call support I get an English speaking person in the
> >>>>>>>>>>> USA ever time.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> And what number do you call?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/?LN=en-us&x=11&y=8&scid=gp%3Ben-us%
> >>>>>>>>> 3Bofferprophone
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Try the ones on this page - never been charged for a single
> >>>>>>>>> call yet.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Problem Resolution Requests:
> >>>>>>>> Professional Support Call Now for $245 US OR Submit an
> >>>>>>>> Online Request for $99 US OR Call to Order a 5-Pack Phone
> >>>>>>>> Support Contract for $1225 US Developers (800) 936-5800
> >>>>>>>> (800) 936-3500 IT Professionals (800) 936-4900 (800)
> >>>>>>>> 936-3500 Partners (resellers/consultants) (888) 456-5570
> >>>>>>>> (800) 936-3500 Microsoft Certified Partners (888) 677-9444
> >>>>>>>> (800) 936-3500 Original Equipment Manufacturers (800)
> >>>>>>>> 936-2197 (800) 936-3500 System Builders (888) 456-5570 (800)
> >>>>>>>> 936-3500
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I knew it wasn't the normal support lines.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> So again I ask you, "And what number do you call?"
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> IT Professionals (800) 936-4900 (800) 936-3500
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> And you are recommending that average users should call these
> >>>>>> numbers, and take the risk of having to pay $245? Are you
> >>>>>> offering to pay if their calls don't end up being free?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Why would you ask if I was recommending anything - At no point in
> >>>>> this thread have I advocated/recommended anything except that I
> >>>>> get quality support and have not been charged for it in many
> >>>>> years.
> >>>>
> >>>> LOL! Yep, you are only here for yourself, not to help others!
> >>>
> >>> I'm here to help and be helped if needed, but I only related my
> >>> experience to calling for support to a post about calling support.
> >>
> >> Yet you are not recommending the same method for others to follow!
> >> Why is that?
> >
> > I posted how I get support and that it didn't cost me anything. The
> > reason for it was that many people don't know about the other support
> > options and have no idea that if it's a MS problem, not a user created
> > problem, that MS will not charge you for it.
> >
> > It's up to the MS technicians discretion as to charge/not-charge and
> > that being a good/polite customer goes a long way to not being
> > charged.
>
> "Yet you are not recommending the same method for others to follow! Why
> is that?"
>
> More BS, no answer.

Sheesh Kurt, you did get an answer - I didn't recommend anything, just
posted my experience related to the subject of support that was at issue
in this thread. If a person decides to try it, it's entirely up to them.
I would never recommend that someone do something they are not
comfortable with, and if people are not willing to possibly be charged
for their own mistake and don't really believe it to be a bug/ms issue,
they should do what they are comfortable with.

I recommend that people look at the available solutions and based on
their own personal need for a repair, that they do what is necessary,
which many include possibly paying for top-quality service.

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Winux P
07-09-2005, 11:28 PM
Sorry what was that? Can you post it again? I did quite get that Geythos,
you've still confusing me with someone interested.

-Winux P

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: says...
: >
: > Oh poor Geythos the great contributor of a free support webpage with
listed
: > support pricing, now go get your medication increased and please do
respond.
:
: Oh, lame troll, I never posted that support was free - only that I was
: not charged for it during the last several years of using it. I didn't
: really expect a troll like you to understand that, since I don't expect
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Leythos
07-09-2005, 11:28 PM
In article <e#Z#UcPWFHA.3044@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>, winuxp@msnews.grp
says...
> you've still confusing me with someone interested.

You must be interested or you would not be replying. Since you can't
reply with anything constructive in any thread you must be a troll that
is seriously lacking for human companionship.

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Winux P
07-09-2005, 11:28 PM
Sorry Geythos didn't quite get it can you post again?

-Winux P

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: In article <e#Z#UcPWFHA.3044@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>, winuxp@msnews.grp
: says...
: > you've still confusing me with someone interested.
:
: You must be interested or you would not be replying. Since you can't
: reply with anything constructive in any thread you must be a troll that
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Leythos
07-09-2005, 11:28 PM
In article <u94tthPWFHA.2256@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl>, winuxp@msnews.grp
says...
> Sorry Geythos didn't quite get it can you post again?

You must be interested or you would not be replying. Since you can't
reply with anything constructive in any thread you must be a troll that
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kurttrail
07-09-2005, 11:28 PM
Leythos wrote:
> In article <#noYW0OWFHA.628@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl>,
> dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
>> Leythos wrote:
>>> In article <#$8COzNWFHA.1040@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>,
>>> dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I call support I get an English speaking person in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the USA ever time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And what number do you call?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/?LN=en-us&x=11&y=8&scid=gp%3Ben-us%
>>>>>>>>>>> 3Bofferprophone
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Try the ones on this page - never been charged for a single
>>>>>>>>>>> call yet.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Problem Resolution Requests:
>>>>>>>>>> Professional Support Call Now for $245 US OR Submit an
>>>>>>>>>> Online Request for $99 US OR Call to Order a 5-Pack
>>>>>>>>>> Phone Support Contract for $1225 US Developers (800)
>>>>>>>>>> 936-5800 (800) 936-3500 IT Professionals (800) 936-4900
>>>>>>>>>> (800) 936-3500 Partners (resellers/consultants) (888)
>>>>>>>>>> 456-5570 (800) 936-3500 Microsoft Certified Partners
>>>>>>>>>> (888) 677-9444 (800) 936-3500 Original Equipment
>>>>>>>>>> Manufacturers (800) 936-2197 (800) 936-3500 System Builders
>>>>>>>>>> (888) 456-5570 (800) 936-3500
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I knew it wasn't the normal support lines.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So again I ask you, "And what number do you call?"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> IT Professionals (800) 936-4900 (800) 936-3500
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And you are recommending that average users should call these
>>>>>>>> numbers, and take the risk of having to pay $245? Are you
>>>>>>>> offering to pay if their calls don't end up being free?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why would you ask if I was recommending anything - At no point
>>>>>>> in this thread have I advocated/recommended anything except
>>>>>>> that I get quality support and have not been charged for it in
>>>>>>> many years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LOL! Yep, you are only here for yourself, not to help others!
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm here to help and be helped if needed, but I only related my
>>>>> experience to calling for support to a post about calling support.
>>>>
>>>> Yet you are not recommending the same method for others to follow!
>>>> Why is that?
>>>
>>> I posted how I get support and that it didn't cost me anything. The
>>> reason for it was that many people don't know about the other
>>> support options and have no idea that if it's a MS problem, not a
>>> user created problem, that MS will not charge you for it.
>>>
>>> It's up to the MS technicians discretion as to charge/not-charge and
>>> that being a good/polite customer goes a long way to not being
>>> charged.
>>
>> "Yet you are not recommending the same method for others to follow!
>> Why is that?"
>>
>> More BS, no answer.
>
> Sheesh Kurt, you did get an answer - I didn't recommend anything, just
> posted my experience related to the subject of support that was at
> issue in this thread.

Dumb-Dumb, I didn't say you did recommend it. I asked you a few posts
back if you did recommend, you spent a lot of words to basically say you
didn't recommend it, and then I asked, "why is that?"

Which you didn't answer you post that replied to mine that ask that!

> If a person decides to try it, it's entirely up
> to them. I would never recommend that someone do something they are
> not comfortable with, and if people are not willing to possibly be
> charged for their own mistake and don't really believe it to be a
> bug/ms issue, they should do what they are comfortable with.

LOL! Then you don't know whether someone calling MS support as part of
NoOne Cares would actually get an served by someone in the US, DO YOU!

REMEMBER THE CONTEXT THAT YOUR BS ABOUT CALLING PROFESSIONAL SUPPORT WAS
IN?!

NoOne Cares is not even geared towards computer professionals! It is
geared towards those the computer illiterati!

> I recommend that people look at the available solutions and based on
> their own personal need for a repair, that they do what is necessary,
> which many include possibly paying for top-quality service.

So basically, your answer was just total BS! You call professional
support, when non-professionals wouldn't probably be charged for any
call to those lines, because they are educated enough to know the
difference between a OS problem compared to one they created!

The regular non-professional support lines aren't anwsered in the US!

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Winux P
07-09-2005, 11:28 PM
Sorry Geythos didn't quite get it can you post again?

-Winux P

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: > Sorry Geythos didn't quite get it can you post again?
:
: You must be interested or you would not be replying. Since you can't
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Leythos
07-09-2005, 11:28 PM
In article <eXp45uPWFHA.2576@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>,
dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
> The regular non-professional support lines aren't anwsered in the US!

I think everyone already knows the above, it's that way with most
vendors. If you want quality support you either buy a better service
contract or you pay a little more for service.

In my case, I was able to use their US based support services and not
had to pay for it, the technicians have always been able to correctly
solve the problem, and it was resolved without cost. This information
was provided in the context it was typed - as a reference to getting
quality US based support from MS as one persons experience. Don't keep
trying to make more out of it than I represented in the experience.

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R. McCarty
07-09-2005, 11:28 PM
Not everyone supplies it, but I've found that "Live Chat" sessions are
not too bad. It certainly cuts down on the language barrier. (Hard to
type with an accent). Earthlink/Mindspring has one and it was a help
when they recently changed their default POP Mail ports without
notifying customers. I think the problem with almost all vendor help
& support is "Weeding" out the true issues with the mundane ones.
Unfortunately, if there are 100 calls and only 1 has merit - that person
gets the lousy 1st tier support along with all the lazy and dumbfounded
that never think of Google or reading a manual or using Help.

"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
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> In article <eXp45uPWFHA.2576@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>,
> dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
>> The regular non-professional support lines aren't anwsered in the US!
>
> I think everyone already knows the above, it's that way with most
> vendors. If you want quality support you either buy a better service
> contract or you pay a little more for service.
>
> In my case, I was able to use their US based support services and not
> had to pay for it, the technicians have always been able to correctly
> solve the problem, and it was resolved without cost. This information
> was provided in the context it was typed - as a reference to getting
> quality US based support from MS as one persons experience. Don't keep
> trying to make more out of it than I represented in the experience.
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kurttrail
07-09-2005, 11:28 PM
Leythos wrote:
> In article <eXp45uPWFHA.2576@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>,
> dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
>> The regular non-professional support lines aren't anwsered in the US!
>
> I think everyone already knows the above, it's that way with most
> vendors. If you want quality support you either buy a better service
> contract or you pay a little more for service.
>
> In my case, I was able to use their US based support services and not
> had to pay for it, the technicians have always been able to correctly
> solve the problem, and it was resolved without cost. This information
> was provided in the context it was typed - as a reference to getting
> quality US based support from MS as one persons experience. Don't keep
> trying to make more out of it than I represented in the experience.
>

You're experience has nothing to do with what was being talked about in
this thread. Don't keep trying to to represent that it does. The
people that MS is marketing NoOne Cares to, are the last people likely
to call up professional support lines without being charged! You used
your eXPerience as a professional to deliberately mislead, and for no
other reason!

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Leythos
07-09-2005, 11:28 PM
In article <OQsdukUWFHA.3540@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl>,
dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
> You used
> your eXPerience as a professional to deliberately mislead, and for no
> other reason!

And you are entitled to your OPINION.

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07-09-2005, 11:28 PM
Leythos wrote:
> In article <OQsdukUWFHA.3540@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl>,
> dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
>> You used
>> your eXPerience as a professional to deliberately mislead, and for no
>> other reason!
>
> And you are entitled to your OPINION.
>

I'm sure I'm not the only one that sees that you were deliberately
trying to mislead.

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Leythos
07-09-2005, 11:28 PM
In article <#PAnUtUWFHA.228@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl>,
dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
> Leythos wrote:
> > In article <OQsdukUWFHA.3540@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl>,
> > dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
> >> You used
> >> your eXPerience as a professional to deliberately mislead, and for no
> >> other reason!
> >
> > And you are entitled to your OPINION.
> >
>
> I'm sure I'm not the only one that sees that you were deliberately
> trying to mislead.

It's still your opinion, as there was NO intention to mislead anyone or
anything on my part. I've talked with many users that have called the
support lines and not been charged, that was my message, and it's posted
as such. You seem to want to make it personal and attack that I've
experienced something you don't want to hear about, and that others who
have experienced the same level of quality service were not charged
also.

What are you afraid of with MS providing quality support services?

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07-09-2005, 11:28 PM
Leythos wrote:
> In article <#PAnUtUWFHA.228@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl>,
> dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
>> Leythos wrote:
>>> In article <OQsdukUWFHA.3540@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl>,
>>> dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
>>>> You used
>>>> your eXPerience as a professional to deliberately mislead, and for
>>>> no other reason!
>>>
>>> And you are entitled to your OPINION.
>>>
>>
>> I'm sure I'm not the only one that sees that you were deliberately
>> trying to mislead.
>
> It's still your opinion, as there was NO intention to mislead anyone
> or anything on my part.

That is your unsubstantiated claim.

> I've talked with many users that have called
> the support lines and not been charged, that was my message, and it's
> posted as such.

Other professionals?

> You seem to want to make it personal and attack that
> I've experienced something you don't want to hear about, and that
> others who have experienced the same level of quality service were
> not charged also.

LOL! An average user is not gonna call up a professional support number
and risk paying more for a phone call than they paid for the OS.

> What are you afraid of with MS providing quality support services?

They don't, on the non-professional support phone lines.

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Leythos
07-09-2005, 11:28 PM
In article <#H3vpMVWFHA.584@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl>,
dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
> Leythos wrote:
> > In article <#PAnUtUWFHA.228@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl>,
> > dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
> >> Leythos wrote:
> >>> In article <OQsdukUWFHA.3540@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl>,
> >>> dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
> >>>> You used
> >>>> your eXPerience as a professional to deliberately mislead, and for
> >>>> no other reason!
> >>>
> >>> And you are entitled to your OPINION.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I'm sure I'm not the only one that sees that you were deliberately
> >> trying to mislead.
> >
> > It's still your opinion, as there was NO intention to mislead anyone
> > or anything on my part.
>
> That is your unsubstantiated claim.

No, you are the one that has no proof of my intent. As you are not me,
you don't really know what my intent was and you determined that YOU
wanted to take it at more than typed value.

> > I've talked with many users that have called
> > the support lines and not been charged, that was my message, and it's
> > posted as such.
>
> Other professionals?

Yes, but not partners or linked to MS in any way, other than owning
their products.

> > You seem to want to make it personal and attack that
> > I've experienced something you don't want to hear about, and that
> > others who have experienced the same level of quality service were
> > not charged also.
>
> LOL! An average user is not gonna call up a professional support number
> and risk paying more for a phone call than they paid for the OS.

Expense is relative to importance. If it's important it might be worth
the possible cost to some - which was the point and the only point of my
post.

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kurttrail
07-09-2005, 11:28 PM
Leythos wrote:
> In article <#H3vpMVWFHA.584@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl>,
> dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
>> Leythos wrote:
>>> In article <#PAnUtUWFHA.228@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl>,
>>> dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
>>>> Leythos wrote:
>>>>> In article <OQsdukUWFHA.3540@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl>,
>>>>> dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
>>>>>> You used
>>>>>> your eXPerience as a professional to deliberately mislead, and
>>>>>> for no other reason!
>>>>>
>>>>> And you are entitled to your OPINION.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure I'm not the only one that sees that you were deliberately
>>>> trying to mislead.
>>>
>>> It's still your opinion, as there was NO intention to mislead anyone
>>> or anything on my part.
>>
>> That is your unsubstantiated claim.
>
> No, you are the one that has no proof of my intent.

I didn't say I did! And you have no proof of your intent either!

> As you are not me,

There is a God!

> you don't really know what my intent was

I didn't say that I did KNOW!

> and you determined that YOU
> wanted to take it at more than typed value.

Since it had no real bearing in this thread about software geared toward
the non-professional computer user, and you are talking about support
that is geared toward the computer professional, I believe I have a
basis to state my claim that you were being deliberately misleading!

All you have have are your totally unsubstantiated denials!

>
>>> I've talked with many users that have called
>>> the support lines and not been charged, that was my message, and
>>> it's posted as such.
>>
>> Other professionals?
>
> Yes, but not partners or linked to MS in any way, other than owning
> their products.

I knew you weren't talking about the same non-professional computer
users that are are being marketed this NoOne Cares subscribtion service,
and who are the topic of this thread.

>
>>> You seem to want to make it personal and attack that
>>> I've experienced something you don't want to hear about, and that
>>> others who have experienced the same level of quality service were
>>> not charged also.
>>
>> LOL! An average user is not gonna call up a professional support
>> number and risk paying more for a phone call than they paid for the
>> OS.
>
> Expense is relative to importance. If it's important it might be worth
> the possible cost to some - which was the point and the only point of
> my post.

Bullsh*t! Dissemble all you want, I'm sure that no one believes you!

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Leythos
07-09-2005, 11:28 PM
In article <#iuLToVWFHA.2448@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl>,
dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
> I'm sure that no one believes you!

I would think this about 99.9% of what you post in the MS groups.

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07-09-2005, 11:29 PM
Leythos wrote:
> In article <#iuLToVWFHA.2448@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl>,
> dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
>> I'm sure that no one believes you!
>
> I would think this about 99.9% of what you post in the MS groups.
>

LOL! Totally lame comeback as I actually explain why you can't be
believed! But snipping up my entire post without acknowledgement is
only a lame attempt to fool yourself!


kurttrail wrote:
> Leythos wrote:
>> No, you are the one that has no proof of my intent.
>
> I didn't say I did! And you have no proof of your intent either!
>
>> As you are not me,
>
> There is a God!
>
>> you don't really know what my intent was
>
> I didn't say that I did KNOW!
>
>> and you determined that YOU
>> wanted to take it at more than typed value.
>
> Since it had no real bearing in this thread about software geared
> toward the non-professional computer user, and you are talking about
> support that is geared toward the computer professional, I believe I
> have a basis to state my claim that you were being deliberately
> misleading!
>
> All you have have are your totally unsubstantiated denials!
>
>>
>>
>> Yes, but not partners or linked to MS in any way, other than owning
>> their products.
>
> I knew you weren't talking about the same non-professional computer
> users that are are being marketed this NoOne Cares subscribtion
> service, and who are the topic of this thread.
>
>>
>> Expense is relative to importance. If it's important it might be
>> worth the possible cost to some - which was the point and the only
>> point of my post.
>
> Bullsh*t! Dissemble all you want, I'm sure that no one believes you!

Trying to compare the professional support you and your professional
acquaintances receive to that of the non-professional outsource support
most people receive is a deliberate attempt to deceive, and I bet deep
down inside, you don't even believe your own lame denials to the
contrary, though you would never be man enough to admit it to yourself,
let alone the rest of the group!

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Leythos
07-09-2005, 11:29 PM
In article <#eEb5AWWFHA.2128@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl>,
dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
> Trying to compare the professional support you and your professional
> acquaintances receive to that of the non-professional outsource support
> most people receive is a deliberate attempt to deceive, and I bet deep
> down inside, you don't even believe your own lame denials to the
> contrary, though you would never be man enough to admit it to yourself,
> let alone the rest of the group!

I actually don't believe anything you post any more Kurt. For a while it
was like you were on medication or something, as you were nice to other
people for a while, now your just your usual, abusive, snide,
argumentative for fun, self.

Have a good day.

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07-09-2005, 11:29 PM
Leythos sent on Sunday, May 15, 2005 11:26 AM:

> I actually don't believe anything you post any more Kurt. For a while
> it was like you were on medication or something, as you were nice to
> other people for a while, now your just your usual, abusive, snide,
> argumentative for fun, self.
>
> Have a good day.
>
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"You just made me realize something that I should have seen a long time
ago - spending any time in a thread with Alias or Kurt is counter-
productive to why I participate in these groups." - Sunday, May 15, 2005
11:08 AM

Too bad it doesn't seem like you didn't learn how not to be
counter-productive from your realization!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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