Can I use my XP Pro on a new PC?



John
07-09-2005, 11:24 PM
I have an older computer that came with Windows 98se. I then bought a full
XP Pro CD and did a clean install on my computer. I'm thinking of getting a
new computer that only comes with XP home, but I would like to put my XP Pro
on the new computer. The old PC would be junked out so no one would be
using the XP Pro with it. Will MS let me install it on a new PC without
charging me since it will still only be on 1 computer?

John

Patti MacLeod
07-09-2005, 11:24 PM
Hi John,

Yes, you can transfer the XP Pro to another workstation computer (without
charge) if you completely remove XP Pro from the former workstation
computer. Item 4 of the EULA:

"TRANSFER-Internal. You may move the Product to a different Workstation
Computer. After the transfer, you must completely remove the Product from
the former Workstation Computer."



Regards,

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"John" <fake@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:egQi7W3VFHA.2540@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> I have an older computer that came with Windows 98se. I then bought a
full
> XP Pro CD and did a clean install on my computer. I'm thinking of getting
a
> new computer that only comes with XP home, but I would like to put my XP
Pro
> on the new computer. The old PC would be junked out so no one would be
> using the XP Pro with it. Will MS let me install it on a new PC without
> charging me since it will still only be on 1 computer?
>
> John
>
>

Rock
07-09-2005, 11:24 PM
John wrote:

> I have an older computer that came with Windows 98se. I then bought a full
> XP Pro CD and did a clean install on my computer. I'm thinking of getting a
> new computer that only comes with XP home, but I would like to put my XP Pro
> on the new computer. The old PC would be junked out so no one would be
> using the XP Pro with it. Will MS let me install it on a new PC without
> charging me since it will still only be on 1 computer?
>
> John
>
>

Yes.

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MS MVP Windows - Shell/User

John
07-09-2005, 11:24 PM
That's great news! Does MS trust me to remove the XP Pro off the old PC?
How do they know I did it?

John
"Rock" <rock@mail.nospam.net> wrote in message
news:uvcTJo3VFHA.4056@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> John wrote:
>
>> I have an older computer that came with Windows 98se. I then bought a
>> full XP Pro CD and did a clean install on my computer. I'm thinking of
>> getting a new computer that only comes with XP home, but I would like to
>> put my XP Pro on the new computer. The old PC would be junked out so no
>> one would be using the XP Pro with it. Will MS let me install it on a
>> new PC without charging me since it will still only be on 1 computer?
>>
>> John
>
> Yes.
>
> --
> Rock
> MS MVP Windows - Shell/User
>

T. Waters
07-09-2005, 11:24 PM
They trust you to have enough FUD that you will remove it "just in case..."
If someone else were to run the old machine, and connect to the MS server,
there could be activation problems for you in the future.

John wrote:
> That's great news! Does MS trust me to remove the XP Pro off the old
> PC? How do they know I did it?
>
> John
> "Rock" <rock@mail.nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:uvcTJo3VFHA.4056@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>> John wrote:
>>
>>> I have an older computer that came with Windows 98se. I then
>>> bought a full XP Pro CD and did a clean install on my computer.
>>> I'm thinking of getting a new computer that only comes with XP
>>> home, but I would like to put my XP Pro on the new computer. The
>>> old PC would be junked out so no one would be using the XP Pro with
>>> it. Will MS let me install it on a new PC without charging me
>>> since it will still only be on 1 computer?
>>>
>>> John
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>> --
>> Rock
>> MS MVP Windows - Shell/User

Patti MacLeod
07-09-2005, 11:24 PM
John,

Although MS might not personally know whether you have removed XP from your
old computer, product activation's rechecking of the activated hardware
might know:

Is there rechecking of the activation after initial activation? Is there any
secret data transfer to Microsoft?
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=302878#3b

Genuine Windows Validation may fail if you try to download items from the
Microsoft Download Center using XP on the old PC:
http://www.microsoft.com/genuine/downloads/WhyValidate.aspx?FamilyID=5691ba02-e496-465a-bba9-b2f1182cdf24&displaylang=en

Currently, Genuine Windows Validation is optional, and you can opt to d/load
without performing the validation........but it is something that I could
visualize being made mandatory in the future (no, I have no "inside track"
information about it being made mandatory........just hazarding a guess).



Regards,

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Microsoft MVP - Windows Shell/User

"John" <fake@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:OwLKtt3VFHA.4076@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> That's great news! Does MS trust me to remove the XP Pro off the old PC?
> How do they know I did it?
>
> John
> "Rock" <rock@mail.nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:uvcTJo3VFHA.4056@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> > John wrote:
> >
> >> I have an older computer that came with Windows 98se. I then bought a
> >> full XP Pro CD and did a clean install on my computer. I'm thinking of
> >> getting a new computer that only comes with XP home, but I would like
to
> >> put my XP Pro on the new computer. The old PC would be junked out so
no
> >> one would be using the XP Pro with it. Will MS let me install it on a
> >> new PC without charging me since it will still only be on 1 computer?
> >>
> >> John
> >
> > Yes.
> >
> > --
> > Rock
> > MS MVP Windows - Shell/User
> >
>
>

Michael Stevens
07-09-2005, 11:24 PM
In news:OwLKtt3VFHA.4076@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl,
John <fake@yahoo.com> replied with a ;-)
> That's great news! Does MS trust me to remove the XP Pro off the old
> PC? How do they know I did it?
>
> John

They do and they wouldn't, but I could be wrong and you could be sent to
prison or infested with a plague if you didn't. You will need to choose
between the options. ;-) XP has a one computer license; the same as the
majority of software applications.


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> "Rock" <rock@mail.nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:uvcTJo3VFHA.4056@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>> John wrote:
>>
>>> I have an older computer that came with Windows 98se. I then
>>> bought a full XP Pro CD and did a clean install on my computer. I'm
>>> thinking of getting a new computer that only comes with XP
>>> home, but I would like to put my XP Pro on the new computer. The
>>> old PC would be junked out so no one would be using the XP Pro with
>>> it. Will MS let me install it on a new PC without charging me
>>> since it will still only be on 1 computer? John
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>> --
>> Rock
>> MS MVP Windows - Shell/User

John
07-09-2005, 11:25 PM
Thanks for the link to his page http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=302878#3b

I bought a notebook about 1 year ago and it has XP Home on it. After
reading this statement below I understand I could also install my XP Pro on
it too. I would love to have everything the same on both the Desktop and
Notebook. Am I reading this right?

"Does MPA allow customers to install products on a portable computer and on
a desktop computer?

Consumers may use the terms of the product's EULA to determine if this is
allowed. Sometimes, the Microsoft EULA permits customers who are the primary
users of Microsoft programs, such as Office and Word, to install one
additional copy on their portable computers for their exclusive use. This
does not apply to product licenses that are acquired with the purchase of a
computer. These OEM licenses are single-use licenses that cannot be
transferred to another computer. Windows XP can only be installed on a
single computer. A new license is required if you install and activate the
product on a different computer."

John

"Michael Stevens" <mstevens@bogusmvps.org> wrote in message
news:OGHEj84VFHA.132@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> In news:OwLKtt3VFHA.4076@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl,
> John <fake@yahoo.com> replied with a ;-)
>> That's great news! Does MS trust me to remove the XP Pro off the old
>> PC? How do they know I did it?
>>
>> John
>
> They do and they wouldn't, but I could be wrong and you could be sent to
> prison or infested with a plague if you didn't. You will need to choose
> between the options. ;-) XP has a one computer license; the same as the
> majority of software applications.
>
>
> --
> Michael Stevens MS-MVP XP
> xpnews@bogusmichaelstevenstech.com
> http://www.michaelstevenstech.com
> For a better newsgroup experience. Setup a newsreader.
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>
>> "Rock" <rock@mail.nospam.net> wrote in message
>> news:uvcTJo3VFHA.4056@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>>> John wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have an older computer that came with Windows 98se. I then
>>>> bought a full XP Pro CD and did a clean install on my computer. I'm
>>>> thinking of getting a new computer that only comes with XP
>>>> home, but I would like to put my XP Pro on the new computer. The
>>>> old PC would be junked out so no one would be using the XP Pro with
>>>> it. Will MS let me install it on a new PC without charging me
>>>> since it will still only be on 1 computer? John
>>>
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Rock
>>> MS MVP Windows - Shell/User
>
>
>

kurttrail
07-09-2005, 11:25 PM
Patti MacLeod wrote:
> John,
>
> Although MS might not personally know whether you have removed XP
> from your old computer, product activation's rechecking of the
> activated hardware might know:
>
> Is there rechecking of the activation after initial activation? Is
> there any secret data transfer to Microsoft?
> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=302878#3b

And how would a computer rechecking itself figure out that it is
installed on another computer?

You are full of it. The ONLY way for MS to figure it out is for John to
tell MS.

>
> Genuine Windows Validation may fail if you try to download items from
> the Microsoft Download Center using XP on the old PC:
> http://www.microsoft.com/genuine/downloads/WhyValidate.aspx?FamilyID=5691ba02-e496-465a-bba9-b2f1182cdf24&displaylang=en
>
> Currently, Genuine Windows Validation is optional, and you can opt to
> d/load without performing the validation........but it is something
> that I could visualize being made mandatory in the future (no, I have
> no "inside track" information about it being made
> mandatory........just hazarding a guess).
>

LOL! Validation has been reported to fail on legitimate systems, and
work on those that are pirated. When MS goes Live with mandatory
validation, MS is just gonna create a major problem with its paying
customers.

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Bob I
07-09-2005, 11:25 PM
You are confusing the Application License with the Operating System
license. Operating Systems are one computer/one license. So no Pro on
the notebook unless you buy a Pro license for it or take the retail
version Pro off of the desktop.

John wrote:

> Thanks for the link to his page http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=302878#3b
>
> I bought a notebook about 1 year ago and it has XP Home on it. After
> reading this statement below I understand I could also install my XP Pro on
> it too. I would love to have everything the same on both the Desktop and
> Notebook. Am I reading this right?
>
> "Does MPA allow customers to install products on a portable computer and on
> a desktop computer?
>
> Consumers may use the terms of the product's EULA to determine if this is
> allowed. Sometimes, the Microsoft EULA permits customers who are the primary
> users of Microsoft programs, such as Office and Word, to install one
> additional copy on their portable computers for their exclusive use. This
> does not apply to product licenses that are acquired with the purchase of a
> computer. These OEM licenses are single-use licenses that cannot be
> transferred to another computer. Windows XP can only be installed on a
> single computer. A new license is required if you install and activate the
> product on a different computer."
>
> John
>
> "Michael Stevens" <mstevens@bogusmvps.org> wrote in message
> news:OGHEj84VFHA.132@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>
>>In news:OwLKtt3VFHA.4076@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl,
>>John <fake@yahoo.com> replied with a ;-)
>>
>>>That's great news! Does MS trust me to remove the XP Pro off the old
>>>PC? How do they know I did it?
>>>
>>>John
>>
>>They do and they wouldn't, but I could be wrong and you could be sent to
>>prison or infested with a plague if you didn't. You will need to choose
>>between the options. ;-) XP has a one computer license; the same as the
>>majority of software applications.
>>
>>
>>--
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>>xpnews@bogusmichaelstevenstech.com
>>http://www.michaelstevenstech.com
>>For a better newsgroup experience. Setup a newsreader.
>>http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/outlookexpressnewreader.htm
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>>
>>
>>>"Rock" <rock@mail.nospam.net> wrote in message
>>>news:uvcTJo3VFHA.4056@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>>>John wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I have an older computer that came with Windows 98se. I then
>>>>>bought a full XP Pro CD and did a clean install on my computer. I'm
>>>>>thinking of getting a new computer that only comes with XP
>>>>>home, but I would like to put my XP Pro on the new computer. The
>>>>>old PC would be junked out so no one would be using the XP Pro with
>>>>>it. Will MS let me install it on a new PC without charging me
>>>>>since it will still only be on 1 computer? John
>>>>
>>>>Yes.
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Rock
>>>>MS MVP Windows - Shell/User
>>
>>
>>
>
>

T. Waters
07-09-2005, 11:25 PM
It's a question of can vs may.
No, you may not use one OS license on two machines.
Microsoft's Windows Product Activation puts a few obstacles in your path if
you try.
Still, it can be done, and you stand no chance of being persecuted by MS if
you do.
The point to keep in mind is that, once 120 days have passed since an
activation, MS cannot know if the software activated on a second machine is
still being used on the first.
Some people get upset at this breach of the EULA and some call it fair use.

wrote:
> Thanks for the link to his page
> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=302878#3b
>
> I bought a notebook about 1 year ago and it has XP Home on it. After
> reading this statement below I understand I could also install my XP
> Pro on it too. I would love to have everything the same on both the
> Desktop and Notebook. Am I reading this right?
>
> "Does MPA allow customers to install products on a portable computer
> and on a desktop computer?
>
> Consumers may use the terms of the product's EULA to determine if
> this is allowed. Sometimes, the Microsoft EULA permits customers who
> are the primary users of Microsoft programs, such as Office and Word,
> to install one additional copy on their portable computers for their
> exclusive use. This does not apply to product licenses that are
> acquired with the purchase of a computer. These OEM licenses are
> single-use licenses that cannot be transferred to another computer.
> Windows XP can only be installed on a single computer. A new license
> is required if you install and activate the product on a different
> computer."
>
> John
>
> "Michael Stevens" <mstevens@bogusmvps.org> wrote in message
> news:OGHEj84VFHA.132@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> In news:OwLKtt3VFHA.4076@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl,
>> John <fake@yahoo.com> replied with a ;-)
>>> That's great news! Does MS trust me to remove the XP Pro off the
>>> old PC? How do they know I did it?
>>>
>>> John
>>
>> They do and they wouldn't, but I could be wrong and you could be
>> sent to prison or infested with a plague if you didn't. You will
>> need to choose between the options. ;-) XP has a one computer
>> license; the same as the majority of software applications.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Michael Stevens MS-MVP XP
>> xpnews@bogusmichaelstevenstech.com
>> http://www.michaelstevenstech.com
>> For a better newsgroup experience. Setup a newsreader.
>> http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/outlookexpressnewreader.htm
>>
>>
>>> "Rock" <rock@mail.nospam.net> wrote in message
>>> news:uvcTJo3VFHA.4056@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>>>> John wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have an older computer that came with Windows 98se. I then
>>>>> bought a full XP Pro CD and did a clean install on my computer.
>>>>> I'm thinking of getting a new computer that only comes with XP
>>>>> home, but I would like to put my XP Pro on the new computer. The
>>>>> old PC would be junked out so no one would be using the XP Pro
>>>>> with it. Will MS let me install it on a new PC without charging
>>>>> me since it will still only be on 1 computer? John
>>>>
>>>> Yes.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Rock
>>>> MS MVP Windows - Shell/User

kurttrail
07-09-2005, 11:25 PM
John wrote:
> Thanks for the link to his page
> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=302878#3b
> I bought a notebook about 1 year ago and it has XP Home on it. After
> reading this statement below I understand I could also install my XP
> Pro on it too. I would love to have everything the same on both the
> Desktop and Notebook. Am I reading this right?
>
> "Does MPA allow customers to install products on a portable computer
> and on a desktop computer?
>
> Consumers may use the terms of the product's EULA to determine if
> this is allowed. Sometimes, the Microsoft EULA permits customers who
> are the primary users of Microsoft programs, such as Office and Word,
> to install one additional copy on their portable computers for their
> exclusive use. This does not apply to product licenses that are
> acquired with the purchase of a computer. These OEM licenses are
> single-use licenses that cannot be transferred to another computer.
> Windows XP can only be installed on a single computer. A new license
> is required if you install and activate the product on a different
> computer."

Depends on who is the king of your castle, YOU, or some corporation
whose product was sold to you. Only you can decide that, since MS is
unwilling to legally prove their CLAIMS that they can tell you what you
can and cannot do in your home with your copy of Windows XP.

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Bruce Chambers
07-09-2005, 11:25 PM
John wrote:
> I have an older computer that came with Windows 98se. I then bought a full
> XP Pro CD and did a clean install on my computer. I'm thinking of getting a
> new computer that only comes with XP home, but I would like to put my XP Pro
> on the new computer. The old PC would be junked out so no one would be
> using the XP Pro with it. Will MS let me install it on a new PC without
> charging me since it will still only be on 1 computer?
>
> John
>
>


Assuming a retail license (OEM licenses are not transferable),
simply remove WinXP from the computer it is currently on and then
install it on the new computer. If it's been more than 120 days since
you last activated that specific Product Key, the you'll most likely be
able to activate via the Internet without problem. If it's been less,
you might have to make a 5 minute phone call.

Here are the facts pertaining to activation:

Piracy Basics - Microsoft Product Activation
http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/basics/activation/

Windows Product Activation (WPA)
http://www.aumha.org/a/wpa.htm


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Bruce Chambers
07-09-2005, 11:25 PM
John wrote:
> That's great news! Does MS trust me to remove the XP Pro off the old PC?
> How do they know I did it?
>
>
>
>


Microsoft assumes you're honest. They don't have any way to "know" if
you're not.


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Alias
07-09-2005, 11:25 PM
"Bruce Chambers" <bchambers@h0tmail.c0m> wrote

> John wrote:
>> I have an older computer that came with Windows 98se. I then bought a
>> full XP Pro CD and did a clean install on my computer. I'm thinking of
>> getting a new computer that only comes with XP home, but I would like to
>> put my XP Pro on the new computer. The old PC would be junked out so no
>> one would be using the XP Pro with it. Will MS let me install it on a
>> new PC without charging me since it will still only be on 1 computer?
>>
>> John
>
>
> Assuming a retail license (OEM licenses are not transferable),

Yes they are if you wait 120 days since the last activation. You mean to say
MS doesn't *want* you to transfer an OEM.

Alias

Alias
07-09-2005, 11:25 PM
"Bruce Chambers" <bchambers@h0tmail.c0m> wrote in message
news:uRENDk8VFHA.4056@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> John wrote:
>> That's great news! Does MS trust me to remove the XP Pro off the old PC?
>> How do they know I did it?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Microsoft assumes you're honest. They don't have any way to "know" if
> you're not.
>
>
> --
>
> Bruce Chambers
>
Using one's paid for software as one chooses is "honest". Putting an EULA
that you can only read after opening the shrink wrap and thus voiding any
possiblity of a refund is "dishonest".

In YOUR case, telling people they can't do something as though it isn't
technically possible is also dishonest.

Alias

Bruce Chambers
07-09-2005, 11:25 PM
Alias wrote:

>>
>
> Using one's paid for software as one chooses is "honest".


If that use is in compliance with the terms of the software license and
pertinent copyright law, certainly. Otherwise, no.


> Putting an EULA
> that you can only read after opening the shrink wrap and thus voiding any
> possiblity of a refund is "dishonest".
>


That's true, but it doesn't apply to any Microsoft products that I've
seen. And is it a Microsoft product we're discussing here. There's a
prominent notice on the outside of each package stating that license
terms apply. If the consumer is too lazy to determine in advance
whether or not the terms of said license are acceptable to him/her, it's
hardly Microsoft's fault. Do *you* need corporate hand-holding? Do you
believe everyone else does?


> In YOUR case, telling people they can't do something as though it isn't
> technically possible is also dishonest.
>


I said that the OEM *license* is not transferable. This is true. Read
the EULA. The technical fact that the software may or may not be
installed on another computer is irrelevant. There would be no
legitimate *license* in place on the second computer. To assert that a
successful installation equates to a legitimate license, as you seem to
be implying, is the equivalent of saying that an uncaught thief is the
legitimate owner of whatever property he's stolen.



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Patti MacLeod
07-09-2005, 11:25 PM
Responses posted inline.


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"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in message
news:eSeKvp7VFHA.3320@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Patti MacLeod wrote:
> > John,
> >
> > Although MS might not personally know whether you have removed XP
> > from your old computer, product activation's rechecking of the
> > activated hardware might know:
> >
> > Is there rechecking of the activation after initial activation? Is
> > there any secret data transfer to Microsoft?
> > http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=302878#3b
>
> And how would a computer rechecking itself figure out that it is
> installed on another computer?
>
> You are full of it. The ONLY way for MS to figure it out is for John to
> tell MS.

Therefore the use of the word "might" rather than the use of the words
"would definitely" or "would certainly". If I am full of it, then so be it.


> > Genuine Windows Validation may fail if you try to download items from
> > the Microsoft Download Center using XP on the old PC:
> >
http://www.microsoft.com/genuine/downloads/WhyValidate.aspx?FamilyID=5691ba02-e496-465a-bba9-b2f1182cdf24&displaylang=en
> >
> > Currently, Genuine Windows Validation is optional, and you can opt to
> > d/load without performing the validation........but it is something
> > that I could visualize being made mandatory in the future (no, I have
> > no "inside track" information about it being made
> > mandatory........just hazarding a guess).
> >
>
> LOL! Validation has been reported to fail on legitimate systems, and
> work on those that are pirated. When MS goes Live with mandatory
> validation, MS is just gonna create a major problem with its paying
> customers.

Again, the use of the word "may" instead of the word "will".
I don't see where it was that I said that Validation was absolutely
infallible.

Just attempting to let John know that there *may* (note the use of the word
"may" and not the use of the word "will") be potential issues, if not
immediate then perhaps down the road some time, if he violates the EULA (and
no, that doesn't mean that I want to get into a EULA vs. Fair-use
debate........I simply don't have enough free time on my hands for that).
When the first pirated corporate edition copies of XP were circulating and
being installed by home users, those who had installed these copies of XP
had no problems d/loading and installing the critical and security patches,
etc., from Windows Update.......until SP1 came along. Then yes, I know, ways
of circumventing the inability to install SP1 started circulating, etc.,
etc. That is *possibly* one of the reasons that Genuine Windows Validation
(as fallible as it is in its current state) was conceived.

>
> --
> Peace!
> Kurt
> Self-anointed Moderator
> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
> http://microscum.com/mscommunity
> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"
>
>

Alias
07-09-2005, 11:25 PM
"Bruce Chambers" <bchambers@h0tmail.c0m> wrote in message
news:OPVF$C9VFHA.2700@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Alias wrote:
>
>>>
>>
>> Using one's paid for software as one chooses is "honest".
>
>
> If that use is in compliance with the terms of the software license and
> pertinent copyright law, certainly. Otherwise, no.

Not true. Your opinion. I believe that using what one paid for and using it
for what it was designed for is honest.
>
>
>> Putting an EULA that you can only read after opening the shrink wrap and
>> thus voiding any possiblity of a refund is "dishonest".
>>
>
>
> That's true, but it doesn't apply to any Microsoft products that I've
> seen.

Huh? There is no EULA outside the box.

> And is it a Microsoft product we're discussing here. There's a prominent
> notice on the outside of each package stating that license terms apply.

But not saying what those terms are is *dishonest*. You have to open it to
read it and you are not entitled to a refund if you open it. Catch 22 and
all that scammy jazz you are so in love with.

> If the consumer is too lazy to determine in advance whether or not the
> terms of said license are acceptable to him/her, it's hardly Microsoft's
> fault. Do *you* need corporate hand-holding? Do you believe everyone
> else does?

Um, it is not a requirement to search the net for an EULA to buy software.
Money is. I have yet to have a store clerk ask me if I read and agreed to
the EULA before he or she would sell it to me. When they do that, you have a
point. Insisting that people seach the unsearchable MS data base is
unreasonable and supercilious on your part.
>
>
>> In YOUR case, telling people they can't do something as though it isn't
>> technically possible is also dishonest.
>>
>
>
> I said that the OEM *license* is not transferable. This is true. Read
> the EULA. The technical fact that the software may or may not be
> installed on another computer is irrelevant.

You state it as though it is tecnically impossible and that, my friend, is a
lie and *dishonest*.

> There would be no legitimate *license* in place on the second computer.

So what? I think it's "legitimate" and could give a rats ass if MS agrees
with me. No court has MS up and until they do, the EULA isn't work the
pixels it's written with.

> To assert that a successful installation equates to a legitimate license,
> as you seem to be implying, is the equivalent of saying that an uncaught
> thief is the legitimate owner of whatever property he's stolen.

Um, there you go again with the "thief" nonsense. I paid for the software. I
can do what I want with it. The fact that I may be breaching the EULA is not
theft. Installing it on another computer is fair use, regardless of what the
EULA that you never see until it's too late says.

Alias
>
>
>
> --
>
> Bruce Chambers
>
> Help us help you:
> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
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>
> You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having
> both at once. - RAH

kurttrail
07-09-2005, 11:25 PM
Patti MacLeod wrote:
> Responses posted inline.
>
>
>
> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
> message news:eSeKvp7VFHA.3320@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> Patti MacLeod wrote:
>>> John,
>>>
>>> Although MS might not personally know whether you have removed XP
>>> from your old computer, product activation's rechecking of the
>>> activated hardware might know:
>>>
>>> Is there rechecking of the activation after initial activation? Is
>>> there any secret data transfer to Microsoft?
>>> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=302878#3b
>>
>> And how would a computer rechecking itself figure out that it is
>> installed on another computer?
>>
>> You are full of it. The ONLY way for MS to figure it out is for
>> John to tell MS.
>
> Therefore the use of the word "might" rather than the use of the words
> "would definitely" or "would certainly". If I am full of it, then so
> be it.
>

You are full of it. Just like saying there might be leprechans, would
be full of it!

>>> Genuine Windows Validation may fail if you try to download items
>>> from the Microsoft Download Center using XP on the old PC:
>>>
> http://www.microsoft.com/genuine/downloads/WhyValidate.aspx?FamilyID=5691ba02-e496-465a-bba9-b2f1182cdf24&displaylang=en
>>>
>>> Currently, Genuine Windows Validation is optional, and you can opt
>>> to d/load without performing the validation........but it is
>>> something that I could visualize being made mandatory in the future
>>> (no, I have no "inside track" information about it being made
>>> mandatory........just hazarding a guess).
>>>
>>
>> LOL! Validation has been reported to fail on legitimate systems, and
>> work on those that are pirated. When MS goes Live with mandatory
>> validation, MS is just gonna create a major problem with its paying
>> customers.
>
> Again, the use of the word "may" instead of the word "will".
> I don't see where it was that I said that Validation was absolutely
> infallible.
>
> Just attempting to let John know that there *may* (note the use of
> the word "may" and not the use of the word "will") be potential
> issues, if not immediate then perhaps down the road some time, if he
> violates the EULA (and no, that doesn't mean that I want to get into
> a EULA vs. Fair-use debate........I simply don't have enough free
> time on my hands for that). When the first pirated corporate edition
> copies of XP were circulating and being installed by home users,
> those who had installed these copies of XP had no problems d/loading
> and installing the critical and security patches, etc., from Windows
> Update.......until SP1 came along. Then yes, I know, ways of
> circumventing the inability to install SP1 started circulating, etc.,
> etc. That is *possibly* one of the reasons that Genuine Windows
> Validation (as fallible as it is in its current state) was conceived.

And a meteor that will kill all life *MAY* drop on the earth in the next
24 hours.

Talk about PROBABILITY not POSSIBILITY.

There is a possibility that I may be the devil, but the probability is
not all that likely.

--
Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.com/mscommunity
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

kurttrail
07-09-2005, 11:25 PM
Alias wrote:
> "Bruce Chambers" <bchambers@h0tmail.c0m> wrote
>
>> John wrote:
>>> I have an older computer that came with Windows 98se. I then
>>> bought a full XP Pro CD and did a clean install on my computer. I'm
>>> thinking of getting a new computer that only comes with XP
>>> home, but I would like to put my XP Pro on the new computer. The
>>> old PC would be junked out so no one would be using the XP Pro with
>>> it. Will MS let me install it on a new PC without charging me
>>> since it will still only be on 1 computer? John
>>
>>
>> Assuming a retail license (OEM licenses are not transferable),
>
> Yes they are if you wait 120 days since the last activation. You mean
> to say MS doesn't *want* you to transfer an OEM.
>
> Alias

Or you could call up and say that you upgraded hardware components. MS
has no right to know what hardware components were upgraded.

--
Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.com/mscommunity
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

Steve N.
07-09-2005, 11:25 PM
John wrote:

> I have an older computer that came with Windows 98se. I then bought a full
> XP Pro CD and did a clean install on my computer. I'm thinking of getting a
> new computer that only comes with XP home, but I would like to put my XP Pro
> on the new computer. The old PC would be junked out so no one would be
> using the XP Pro with it. Will MS let me install it on a new PC without
> charging me since it will still only be on 1 computer?
>
> John
>
>

Yes you can, but save yourself some money and order the PC with no OS
installed.

Steve

John
07-09-2005, 11:25 PM
I ran into a problem with my notebook and the OEM XP Home.

When I bought my notebook did I buy the OEM XP Home?
If I did infact pay for it Shouldn't I have been given the XP Home Setup.exe
that recognizes my serial number?

I tried to make a Slipstream CD of XP Home and the SP2 and you need the XP
Home Setup.exe to do it.
I tried to use the XP Pro Setup.exe , and I also borrowed a XP Home
Setup.exe, neither would work because my serial number is different.

If I own the OEM of XP Home for my notebook why can't I have a Setup.exe
that recognizes my serial number?
I want the Setup.exe so I can do a clean install.

John

"Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
news:uUT$fp8VFHA.2692@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>
> "Bruce Chambers" <bchambers@h0tmail.c0m> wrote
>
>> John wrote:
>>> I have an older computer that came with Windows 98se. I then bought a
>>> full XP Pro CD and did a clean install on my computer. I'm thinking of
>>> getting a new computer that only comes with XP home, but I would like to
>>> put my XP Pro on the new computer. The old PC would be junked out so no
>>> one would be using the XP Pro with it. Will MS let me install it on a
>>> new PC without charging me since it will still only be on 1 computer?
>>>
>>> John
>>
>>
>> Assuming a retail license (OEM licenses are not transferable),
>
> Yes they are if you wait 120 days since the last activation. You mean to
> say MS doesn't *want* you to transfer an OEM.
>
> Alias
>

Patti MacLeod
07-09-2005, 11:25 PM
Responses posted inline.

--
Patti MacLeod
Microsoft MVP - Windows Shell/User

"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in message
news:uLA2eo9VFHA.2768@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Patti MacLeod wrote:
> > Responses posted inline.
> >
> >
> >
> > "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
> > message news:eSeKvp7VFHA.3320@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> >> Patti MacLeod wrote:
> >>> John,
> >>>
> >>> Although MS might not personally know whether you have removed XP
> >>> from your old computer, product activation's rechecking of the
> >>> activated hardware might know:
> >>>
> >>> Is there rechecking of the activation after initial activation? Is
> >>> there any secret data transfer to Microsoft?
> >>> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=302878#3b
> >>
> >> And how would a computer rechecking itself figure out that it is
> >> installed on another computer?
> >>
> >> You are full of it. The ONLY way for MS to figure it out is for
> >> John to tell MS.
> >
> > Therefore the use of the word "might" rather than the use of the words
> > "would definitely" or "would certainly". If I am full of it, then so
> > be it.
> >
>
> You are full of it. Just like saying there might be leprechans, would
> be full of it!

Says you. Those who actually DO believe that there ARE leprechans aren't
full of it.......they may be mistaken......but they're not "full of it".
Being "full of it" implies that one is making a conscious effort to mislead.

>
> >>> Genuine Windows Validation may fail if you try to download items
> >>> from the Microsoft Download Center using XP on the old PC:
> >>>
> >
http://www.microsoft.com/genuine/downloads/WhyValidate.aspx?FamilyID=5691ba02-e496-465a-bba9-b2f1182cdf24&displaylang=en
> >>>
> >>> Currently, Genuine Windows Validation is optional, and you can opt
> >>> to d/load without performing the validation........but it is
> >>> something that I could visualize being made mandatory in the future
> >>> (no, I have no "inside track" information about it being made
> >>> mandatory........just hazarding a guess).
> >>>
> >>
> >> LOL! Validation has been reported to fail on legitimate systems, and
> >> work on those that are pirated. When MS goes Live with mandatory
> >> validation, MS is just gonna create a major problem with its paying
> >> customers.
> >
> > Again, the use of the word "may" instead of the word "will".
> > I don't see where it was that I said that Validation was absolutely
> > infallible.
> >
> > Just attempting to let John know that there *may* (note the use of
> > the word "may" and not the use of the word "will") be potential
> > issues, if not immediate then perhaps down the road some time, if he
> > violates the EULA (and no, that doesn't mean that I want to get into
> > a EULA vs. Fair-use debate........I simply don't have enough free
> > time on my hands for that). When the first pirated corporate edition
> > copies of XP were circulating and being installed by home users,
> > those who had installed these copies of XP had no problems d/loading
> > and installing the critical and security patches, etc., from Windows
> > Update.......until SP1 came along. Then yes, I know, ways of
> > circumventing the inability to install SP1 started circulating, etc.,
> > etc. That is *possibly* one of the reasons that Genuine Windows
> > Validation (as fallible as it is in its current state) was conceived.
>
> And a meteor that will kill all life *MAY* drop on the earth in the next
> 24 hours.
>
> Talk about PROBABILITY not POSSIBILITY.

As I don't know the PROBABILITY of that occurring, I can only speak of the
POSSIBILITY of it occuring (if I so chose to speak about meteors that will
kill all life). But I thank you for dictating the terms under which I may
phrase what it is that I choose to say. LOL.

>
> There is a possibility that I may be the devil, but the probability is
> not all that likely.

LOL!!!!! I guess that would depend upon whom you asked.

Although I do find this discourse vaguely amusing, I realize that it's not
really helping the op with his oq, so I shall move on.

>
> --
> Peace!
> Kurt
> Self-anointed Moderator
> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
> http://microscum.com/mscommunity
> "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"
>
>

Bruce Chambers
07-09-2005, 11:25 PM
Alias wrote:

>
>
> Not true.

Why? Your following sentence indicates that you agree with what I said.


> I believe that using what one paid for and using it
> for what it was designed for is honest.
>


As do I. I'm not arguing that, at all. The product that has been
"bought and paid for" is a *license* to use the software in accordance
with the terms specified by the owner of the copyright to the product
(In this particular case, the "design" means only on the first computer
on which the OEM license was installed). I'm glad to see you've finally
seen the obvious.



>
>
> But not saying what those terms are is *dishonest*. You have to open it to
> read it and you are not entitled to a refund if you open it.
>


That's a patently absurd assertion. The full terms of the license
don't need to be on the outside of the box. Haven't you ever purchased
an automobile? Were the full terms and conditions of the warranty
printed on the hood? Were you even offered a printed paper copy to read
before making the purchase? Haven't you ever been prescribed medicine?
Were all of the possible side-affects and interactions with other
drugs printed on the container? Or was there perhaps a paper insert
inside the container that you discarded without reading? Did your
doctor or pharmacist ensure that you'd read the information before
handing you the drug?



>
>
> Um, it is not a requirement to search the net for an EULA to buy software.


Any responsible consumer will do the necessary amount of product
research -- no matter what the product, no matter what the type or
medium of research -- to ensure that the product he/she is considering
meets all of his/her needs, and that it can be used in the manner the
purchaser intends.


> I have yet to have a store clerk ask me if I read and agreed to
> the EULA before he or she would sell it to me.


Is the store clerk your mommy or daddy? If not, maybe you'd better
take along adult supervision the next time you go shopping. If you've
been emancipated from your parents' care, then *YOU*, and only you, are
fully responsible for the consequences of your purchasing decisions.
You really haven't had much exposure to real life, have you? If you
had, you wouldn't insist on having your hand held.


> Insisting that people seach the unsearchable MS data base is
> unreasonable and supercilious on your part.
>


Ah, the old straw man fallacy. If the alleged "unsearchable MS data
base" truly were unsearchable, you might have a point. However, the
Microsoft Knowledge base is unsearchable only if one has no access to an
Internet connection. Try going to the obvious starting point,
http://www.microsoft.com, and typing "eula" in the search window.
You'll immediately get at least 100 hits, with the top 5 links directly
pertaining to the question. However, in discussing an OEM license, the
point isn't even relevant. Admittedly, finding the terms of an OEM
license is more difficult. Take the matter up with each individual OEM,
who are all beyond Microsoft's direct control. Thus, it falls back upon
the consumer to take responsibility for his/her own actions and ask the
right questions at the point of sale.


>
>
> You state it as though it is tecnically impossible and that, my friend, is a
> lie and *dishonest*.
>
>


I said no such thing. But continue with your self-delusion, if you like.


>
>
> Um, there you go again with the "thief" nonsense.


What? Was the example too complicated for you?


> I paid for the software.


No, you paid for a *license* to use the software under very specific
conditions. You know this. Name one piece of commercial software
manufacturer/vendor that doesn't sell *only* a license to use the
software product. For that matter, name a Linux distro or other "open
source" software product that isn't accompanied by a license.


> I
> can do what I want with it. The fact that I may be breaching the EULA is not
> theft.


Nor did I say it was theft. You really must work on your reading
comprehension. Breaching the EULA is a contract violation, not normally
theft. (Although, come to think of it, it may be that someone's
intentionally buying a software license with the premeditated intent of
violating its license terms might be considered "theft by fraud" in some
jurisdictions. Interesting thought....)


> Installing it on another computer is fair use,


Not under the copyright laws of the United States, but I'll concede the
possibility in other countries. "Fair use" is a very narrowly defined
term in American copyright law, and that definition certainly can't be
stretched to cover your claims.




--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
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You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having
both at once. - RAH

Alias
07-09-2005, 11:25 PM
When you're ready to respond to my post without snipping the hell out of it,
let me know.

Alias

"Bruce Chambers" <bchambers@h0tmail.c0m> wrote

> Alias wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Not true.
>
> Why? Your following sentence indicates that you agree with what I said.
>
>
> > I believe that using what one paid for and using it
>> for what it was designed for is honest.
>>
>
>
> As do I. I'm not arguing that, at all. The product that has been "bought
> and paid for" is a *license* to use the software in accordance with the
> terms specified by the owner of the copyright to the product (In this
> particular case, the "design" means only on the first computer on which
> the OEM license was installed). I'm glad to see you've finally seen the
> obvious.
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> But not saying what those terms are is *dishonest*. You have to open it
>> to read it and you are not entitled to a refund if you open it.
>
>
> That's a patently absurd assertion. The full terms of the license don't
> need to be on the outside of the box. Haven't you ever purchased an
> automobile? Were the full terms and conditions of the warranty printed on
> the hood? Were you even offered a printed paper copy to read before
> making the purchase? Haven't you ever been prescribed medicine? Were all
> of the possible side-affects and interactions with other drugs printed on
> the container? Or was there perhaps a paper insert inside the container
> that you discarded without reading? Did your doctor or pharmacist ensure
> that you'd read the information before handing you the drug?
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> Um, it is not a requirement to search the net for an EULA to buy
>> software.
>
>
> Any responsible consumer will do the necessary amount of product
> research -- no matter what the product, no matter what the type or medium
> of research -- to ensure that the product he/she is considering meets all
> of his/her needs, and that it can be used in the manner the purchaser
> intends.
>
>
>> I have yet to have a store clerk ask me if I read and agreed to the EULA
>> before he or she would sell it to me.
>
>
> Is the store clerk your mommy or daddy? If not, maybe you'd better take
> along adult supervision the next time you go shopping. If you've been
> emancipated from your parents' care, then *YOU*, and only you, are fully
> responsible for the consequences of your purchasing decisions. You really
> haven't had much exposure to real life, have you? If you had, you
> wouldn't insist on having your hand held.
>
>
>> Insisting that people seach the unsearchable MS data base is unreasonable
>> and supercilious on your part.
>>
>
>
> Ah, the old straw man fallacy. If the alleged "unsearchable MS data base"
> truly were unsearchable, you might have a point. However, the Microsoft
> Knowledge base is unsearchable only if one has no access to an Internet
> connection. Try going to the obvious starting point,
> http://www.microsoft.com, and typing "eula" in the search window. You'll
> immediately get at least 100 hits, with the top 5 links directly
> pertaining to the question. However, in discussing an OEM license, the
> point isn't even relevant. Admittedly, finding the terms of an OEM
> license is more difficult. Take the matter up with each individual OEM,
> who are all beyond Microsoft's direct control. Thus, it falls back upon
> the consumer to take responsibility for his/her own actions and ask the
> right questions at the point of sale.
>
>
>>
>>
>> You state it as though it is tecnically impossible and that, my friend,
>> is a lie and *dishonest*.
>>
>>
>
>
> I said no such thing. But continue with your self-delusion, if you like.
>
>
>>
>>
>> Um, there you go again with the "thief" nonsense.
>
>
> What? Was the example too complicated for you?
>
>
>> I paid for the software.
>
>
> No, you paid for a *license* to use the software under very specific
> conditions. You know this. Name one piece of commercial software
> manufacturer/vendor that doesn't sell *only* a license to use the software
> product. For that matter, name a Linux distro or other "open source"
> software product that isn't accompanied by a license.
>
>
>> I can do what I want with it. The fact that I may be breaching the EULA
>> is not theft.
>
>
> Nor did I say it was theft. You really must work on your reading
> comprehension. Breaching the EULA is a contract violation, not normally
> theft. (Although, come to think of it, it may be that someone's
> intentionally buying a software license with the premeditated intent of
> violating its license terms might be considered "theft by fraud" in some
> jurisdictions. Interesting thought....)
>
>
>> Installing it on another computer is fair use,
>
>
> Not under the copyright laws of the United States, but I'll concede the
> possibility in other countries. "Fair use" is a very narrowly defined
> term in American copyright law, and that definition certainly can't be
> stretched to cover your claims.
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Bruce Chambers
>
> Help us help you:
> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>
> You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having
> both at once. - RAH

kurttrail
07-09-2005, 11:25 PM
Patti MacLeod wrote:
> Responses posted inline.
>
>
> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
> message news:uLA2eo9VFHA.2768@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> Patti MacLeod wrote:
>>> Responses posted inline.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
>>> message news:eSeKvp7VFHA.3320@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>>> Patti MacLeod wrote:
>>>>> John,
>>>>>
>>>>> Although MS might not personally know whether you have removed XP
>>>>> from your old computer, product activation's rechecking of the
>>>>> activated hardware might know:
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there rechecking of the activation after initial activation? Is
>>>>> there any secret data transfer to Microsoft?
>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=302878#3b
>>>>
>>>> And how would a computer rechecking itself figure out that it is
>>>> installed on another computer?
>>>>
>>>> You are full of it. The ONLY way for MS to figure it out is for
>>>> John to tell MS.
>>>
>>> Therefore the use of the word "might" rather than the use of the
>>> words "would definitely" or "would certainly". If I am full of it,
>>> then so be it.
>>>
>>
>> You are full of it. Just like saying there might be leprechans,
>> would be full of it!
>
> Says you. Those who actually DO believe that there ARE leprechans
> aren't full of it.......they may be mistaken......but they're not
> "full of it". Being "full of it" implies that one is making a
> conscious effort to mislead.

LOL! You are fight about leprechan-believers. But I believe did make a
conscious effort to mislead.

>
>>
>>>>> Genuine Windows Validation may fail if you try to download items
>>>>> from the Microsoft Download Center using XP on the old PC:
>>>>>
>>>
> http://www.microsoft.com/genuine/downloads/WhyValidate.aspx?FamilyID=5691ba02-e496-465a-bba9-b2f1182cdf24&displaylang=en
>>>>>
>>>>> Currently, Genuine Windows Validation is optional, and you can opt
>>>>> to d/load without performing the validation........but it is
>>>>> something that I could visualize being made mandatory in the
>>>>> future (no, I have no "inside track" information about it being
>>>>> made mandatory........just hazarding a guess).
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> LOL! Validation has been reported to fail on legitimate systems,
>>>> and work on those that are pirated. When MS goes Live with
>>>> mandatory validation, MS is just gonna create a major problem with
>>>> its paying customers.
>>>
>>> Again, the use of the word "may" instead of the word "will".
>>> I don't see where it was that I said that Validation was absolutely
>>> infallible.
>>>
>>> Just attempting to let John know that there *may* (note the use of
>>> the word "may" and not the use of the word "will") be potential
>>> issues, if not immediate then perhaps down the road some time, if he
>>> violates the EULA (and no, that doesn't mean that I want to get into
>>> a EULA vs. Fair-use debate........I simply don't have enough free
>>> time on my hands for that). When the first pirated corporate edition
>>> copies of XP were circulating and being installed by home users,
>>> those who had installed these copies of XP had no problems d/loading
>>> and installing the critical and security patches, etc., from Windows
>>> Update.......until SP1 came along. Then yes, I know, ways of
>>> circumventing the inability to install SP1 started circulating,
>>> etc., etc. That is *possibly* one of the reasons that Genuine
>>> Windows Validation (as fallible as it is in its current state) was
>>> conceived.
>>
>> And a meteor that will kill all life *MAY* drop on the earth in the
>> next 24 hours.
>>
>> Talk about PROBABILITY not POSSIBILITY.
>
> As I don't know the PROBABILITY of that occurring, I can only speak
> of the POSSIBILITY of it occuring (if I so chose to speak about
> meteors that will kill all life). But I thank you for dictating the
> terms under which I may phrase what it is that I choose to say. LOL.

Don't know the probability, then you are just bullsh*tting.

>
>>
>> There is a possibility that I may be the devil, but the probability
>> is not all that likely.
>
> LOL!!!!! I guess that would depend upon whom you asked.
>
> Although I do find this discourse vaguely amusing, I realize that
> it's not really helping the op with his oq, so I shall move on.

And your misleading words about that MS may know stuff that it says it
can't wasn't really of any help to the OP, but just a lame way to use
FUD to confuse the OP.

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kurttrail
07-09-2005, 11:25 PM
Alias wrote:
> When you're ready to respond to my post without snipping the hell out
> of it, let me know.

How would he be able to distort your meaning, if he didn't snip you to
hell?

It is the trademark of all the EULA Uber Alles crowd.

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Patti MacLeod
07-09-2005, 11:25 PM
Hi John,

Different OEM's provide different recovery "solutions" with the computer
that you purchase. Dell, for instance (and I'm strictly speaking about
Desktop units here, I'm not certain if the same applies to their Notebooks),
supplies an install CD for XP that is very similar, if not identical, to the
retail install CD. Dell's Recovery/Restore/Install (as I don't know exactly
what Dell names it) CD might be able to be used to slipstream SP2 with XP
Home. Compaq computers shipped with XP (and, once again, I'm strictly
speaking about Desktop units........I do not have nor do I work much with
Notebooks) have a Recovery partition on the hard drive (a Recovery CD can be
made by following the instructions in the User Manual)......I believe that
the Recovery partition is a compressed image of the hard drive, and not
similar to a retail install CD. I doubt that one can use Compaq's Recovery
CD that one made in order to slipstream SP2 with XP Home. If you have an
issue with your OEM computer and its OEM operating system, you should
contact the OEM to see if they can resolve that issue.



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"John" <no_one@FAKE.com> wrote in message
news:uywI3t9VFHA.2196@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> I ran into a problem with my notebook and the OEM XP Home.
>
> When I bought my notebook did I buy the OEM XP Home?
> If I did infact pay for it Shouldn't I have been given the XP Home
Setup.exe
> that recognizes my serial number?
>
> I tried to make a Slipstream CD of XP Home and the SP2 and you need the XP
> Home Setup.exe to do it.
> I tried to use the XP Pro Setup.exe , and I also borrowed a XP Home
> Setup.exe, neither would work because my serial number is different.
>
> If I own the OEM of XP Home for my notebook why can't I have a Setup.exe
> that recognizes my serial number?
> I want the Setup.exe so I can do a clean install.
>
> John
>
> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
> news:uUT$fp8VFHA.2692@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> >
> > "Bruce Chambers" <bchambers@h0tmail.c0m> wrote
> >
> >> John wrote:
> >>> I have an older computer that came with Windows 98se. I then bought a
> >>> full XP Pro CD and did a clean install on my computer. I'm thinking
of
> >>> getting a new computer that only comes with XP home, but I would like
to
> >>> put my XP Pro on the new computer. The old PC would be junked out so
no
> >>> one would be using the XP Pro with it. Will MS let me install it on a
> >>> new PC without charging me since it will still only be on 1 computer?
> >>>
> >>> John
> >>
> >>
> >> Assuming a retail license (OEM licenses are not transferable),
> >
> > Yes they are if you wait 120 days since the last activation. You mean to
> > say MS doesn't *want* you to transfer an OEM.
> >
> > Alias
> >
>
>

Alias
07-09-2005, 11:25 PM
"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote

> Alias wrote:
>> When you're ready to respond to my post without snipping the hell out
>> of it, let me know.
>
> How would he be able to distort your meaning, if he didn't snip you to
> hell?
>
> It is the trademark of all the EULA Uber Alles crowd.
>
> --
> Peace!
> Kurt

Why am I not surprised?

Alias

Al Smith
07-09-2005, 11:26 PM
> That's great news! Does MS trust me to remove the XP Pro off the old PC?
> How do they know I did it?

They watch, they listen. They know everything.

Winux P
07-09-2005, 11:26 PM
It's not up to MS John, its' up to you. MS won't charge you, they will not
even know and they don't need to. There are no problems with product
activation or with genuine windows checking system if the same copy of
Windows XP is on different computers, even if there on the same network. No
need to be god or law fearing when it comes to MS's EULA. You don't have to
agree to it and install it. Legal ambiguities spawn from legal
interpretations not necessarily perceived legal breeches. After all if the
worst case scenario occurs, i.e. You're before a magistrate at MSs' behest,
just remember who activated the product for you, and as far as you're
concerned they knew all the details.

In terms of Retail and OEM licences, Microsoft activated my retail copy of
XP (on a second install) on an OEM licence. I accidentally installed my
retail copy on another computer mistaking it for my new OEM copy. Yes they
knew all the details and generated a new install key and activated for me.
Both computers on the same network and no problems with updates or genuine
checks. My OEM copy is still shrink wrapped, when it comes to
re-installation I think I'll make the same mistake again.

By the way MS won't let you.

-Winux P

"John" <fake@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:egQi7W3VFHA.2540@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
:I have an older computer that came with Windows 98se. I then bought a full
: XP Pro CD and did a clean install on my computer. I'm thinking of getting
a
: new computer that only comes with XP home, but I would like to put my XP
Pro
: on the new computer. The old PC would be junked out so no one would be
: using the XP Pro with it. Will MS let me install it on a new PC without
: charging me since it will still only be on 1 computer?
:
: John
:
:

Steve N.
07-09-2005, 11:27 PM
Bruce Chambers wrote:
> John wrote:
>
>> That's great news! Does MS trust me to remove the XP Pro off the old
>> PC? How do they know I did it?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Microsoft assumes you're honest. They don't have any way to "know"
> if you're not.
>
>

LOL! Horsepucky. MS assumes we are dishonest, that's why Product
Activation exists.

Steve

Bob I
07-09-2005, 11:30 PM
Same reason you lock your car. It's been stated that WPA was intended to
reduce/prevent casual copying. Car locks don't assume everone is
dishonest, or do you?

Steve N. wrote:


> LOL! Horsepucky. MS assumes we are dishonest, that's why Product
> Activation exists.
>
> Steve

Alias
07-09-2005, 11:30 PM
"Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:%23uEa3eiWFHA.2944@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Same reason you lock your car. It's been stated that WPA was intended to
> reduce/prevent casual copying.

That's the fašade.

Car locks don't assume everone is
> dishonest, or do you?

Apples and oranges. PA has caused problems to paying customers. Car locks
don't usually do that. MS assumes you are a pirate/casual copier until you
prove your innocence. How many cars have you had to take back to the dealer
to get activated?

Alias
>
> Steve N. wrote:
>
>
>> LOL! Horsepucky. MS assumes we are dishonest, that's why Product
>> Activation exists.
>>
>> Steve
>

Bob I
07-09-2005, 11:31 PM
And the adverts for OnStar allude to unlocking your car? And is a PAID
subscription too. Oh my did you lose this one.

Alias wrote:

> "Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:%23uEa3eiWFHA.2944@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>
>>Same reason you lock your car. It's been stated that WPA was intended to
>>reduce/prevent casual copying.
>
>
> That's the fašade.
>
> Car locks don't assume everone is
>
>>dishonest, or do you?
>
>
> Apples and oranges. PA has caused problems to paying customers. Car locks
> don't usually do that. MS assumes you are a pirate/casual copier until you
> prove your innocence. How many cars have you had to take back to the dealer
> to get activated?
>
> Alias
>
>>Steve N. wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>LOL! Horsepucky. MS assumes we are dishonest, that's why Product
>>>Activation exists.
>>>
>>>Steve
>>
>
>

kurttrail
07-09-2005, 11:31 PM
Bob I wrote:
> And the adverts for OnStar allude to unlocking your car? And is a PAID
> subscription too. Oh my did you lose this one.

Really? When did Windows software become a subscription service?

Oh my, are you delusional!

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Alias
07-09-2005, 11:31 PM
"Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:eOd2zzlWFHA.2348@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> And the adverts for OnStar allude to unlocking your car? And is a PAID
> subscription too. Oh my did you lose this one.

Haven't the foggiest notion of what you are talking about. What is "OnStar",
a car?

Alias
>
> Alias wrote:
>
>> "Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:%23uEa3eiWFHA.2944@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>
>>>Same reason you lock your car. It's been stated that WPA was intended to
>>>reduce/prevent casual copying.
>>
>>
>> That's the fašade.
>>
>> Car locks don't assume everone is
>>
>>>dishonest, or do you?
>>
>>
>> Apples and oranges. PA has caused problems to paying customers. Car locks
>> don't usually do that. MS assumes you are a pirate/casual copier until
>> you prove your innocence. How many cars have you had to take back to the
>> dealer to get activated?
>>
>> Alias
>>
>>>Steve N. wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>LOL! Horsepucky. MS assumes we are dishonest, that's why Product
>>>>Activation exists.
>>>>
>>>>Steve
>>>
>>
>>
>

kurttrail
07-09-2005, 11:31 PM
Alias wrote:
> "Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:eOd2zzlWFHA.2348@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> And the adverts for OnStar allude to unlocking your car? And is a
>> PAID subscription too. Oh my did you lose this one.
>
> Haven't the foggiest notion of what you are talking about. What is
> "OnStar", a car?
>

It is a service mostly to track your car, if stolen.

http://www.onstar.com/us_english/jsp/index.jsp

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Steve N.
07-09-2005, 11:31 PM
Bob I wrote:

> Same reason you lock your car.

Locking my car has nothing to do with Windows XP.

> It's been stated that WPA was intended to
> reduce/prevent casual copying.

It is a fact clearly stated by MS that is the intended purpose of PA.

> Car locks don't assume everone is
> dishonest, or do you?

Car locks are incapable of making assumptions. Whether I lock my car or
not and why I do or don't isn't any of your concern and is irrelevant.

Steve

>
> Steve N. wrote:
>
>
>> LOL! Horsepucky. MS assumes we are dishonest, that's why Product
>> Activation exists.
>>
>> Steve
>
>

Alias
07-09-2005, 11:31 PM
"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote
> Alias wrote:
>> "Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:eOd2zzlWFHA.2348@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>> And the adverts for OnStar allude to unlocking your car? And is a
>>> PAID subscription too. Oh my did you lose this one.
>>
>> Haven't the foggiest notion of what you are talking about. What is
>> "OnStar", a car?
>>
>
> It is a service mostly to track your car, if stolen.
>
> http://www.onstar.com/us_english/jsp/index.jsp
>
> --
> Peace!
> Kurt

What has that got to do with it? I smell a straw man on fire back pedaling
on his tricycle.

Alias

kurttrail
07-09-2005, 11:31 PM
Alias wrote:
> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote
>> Alias wrote:
>>> "Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:eOd2zzlWFHA.2348@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>>> And the adverts for OnStar allude to unlocking your car? And is a
>>>> PAID subscription too. Oh my did you lose this one.
>>>
>>> Haven't the foggiest notion of what you are talking about. What is
>>> "OnStar", a car?
>>>
>>
>> It is a service mostly to track your car, if stolen.
>>
>> http://www.onstar.com/us_english/jsp/index.jsp
>>
>> --
>> Peace!
>> Kurt
>
> What has that got to do with it? I smell a straw man on fire back
> pedaling on his tricycle.
>
> Alias

One of the services, IIRC, is to get a copy of keys to you if you lock
them in the car or lose them.

Oh, and you have to ACTIVATE the service.

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Can I use my XP Pro on a new PC?