Moving items from Admin/User to All Users Start-Programs folders



Chigongman
07-10-2005, 12:22 AM
I have only myself using the XP machine so I just use it as Admin. No Users
are set up.

When I install programs, I notice sometimes they put their icons into the
Start Menu | Programs folder under Documents and Settings | Administrator,
and sometimes under the Start Menu | Programs folder under Documents and
Settings | All Users.

Of course, when I click Start | Programs they all get mixed together in the
lists I see.

However, sometimes I like to reorganize the lists and set up my own groups,
and it's a lot easier to do this if all the icons are in the same folder
structure, say under All Users (where most go anyway).

To achieve my goal, I go into Windows Explorer and simply move things from
Documents and Settings | Administrator | Start Menu | Programs to Documents
and Settings | All Users | Start Menu | Programs.

It works fine and seems flawless, but I'm just wondering if there are any
unseen places in Windows where my doing this might pose a problem.

(I will of course have to rearrange things when I add employees and it's
time to designate various Users, but for now I'm trying to keep it simple for
myself -- but certainly do NOT want to introduce any chance at all of any
potential issues.)

Thanks!

Jay

Shenan Stanley
07-10-2005, 12:22 AM
Chigongman wrote:
> I have only myself using the XP machine so I just use it as Admin. No
> Users are set up.
>
> When I install programs, I notice sometimes they put their icons into
> the Start Menu | Programs folder under Documents and Settings |
> Administrator, and sometimes under the Start Menu | Programs folder
> under Documents and Settings | All Users.
>
> Of course, when I click Start | Programs they all get mixed together
> in the lists I see.
>
> However, sometimes I like to reorganize the lists and set up my own
> groups, and it's a lot easier to do this if all the icons are in the
> same folder structure, say under All Users (where most go anyway).
>
> To achieve my goal, I go into Windows Explorer and simply move things
> from Documents and Settings | Administrator | Start Menu | Programs
> to Documents and Settings | All Users | Start Menu | Programs.
>
> It works fine and seems flawless, but I'm just wondering if there are
> any unseen places in Windows where my doing this might pose a problem.
>
> (I will of course have to rearrange things when I add employees and
> it's time to designate various Users, but for now I'm trying to keep
> it simple for myself -- but certainly do NOT want to introduce any
> chance at all of any potential issues.)

Nope. Doing fine.

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--

Pegasus \(MVP\)
07-10-2005, 12:22 AM
"Chigongman" <Chigongman@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:0CD24BEC-5788-416E-A7A1-9C963616CA72@microsoft.com...
> I have only myself using the XP machine so I just use it as Admin. No
Users
> are set up.
>
> When I install programs, I notice sometimes they put their icons into the
> Start Menu | Programs folder under Documents and Settings | Administrator,
> and sometimes under the Start Menu | Programs folder under Documents and
> Settings | All Users.
>
> Of course, when I click Start | Programs they all get mixed together in
the
> lists I see.
>
> However, sometimes I like to reorganize the lists and set up my own
groups,
> and it's a lot easier to do this if all the icons are in the same folder
> structure, say under All Users (where most go anyway).
>
> To achieve my goal, I go into Windows Explorer and simply move things from
> Documents and Settings | Administrator | Start Menu | Programs to
Documents
> and Settings | All Users | Start Menu | Programs.
>
> It works fine and seems flawless, but I'm just wondering if there are any
> unseen places in Windows where my doing this might pose a problem.
>
> (I will of course have to rearrange things when I add employees and it's
> time to designate various Users, but for now I'm trying to keep it simple
for
> myself -- but certainly do NOT want to introduce any chance at all of any
> potential issues.)
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jay
>

You can place your shortcuts into either folder. This affects their
visibility only but has no other effects.

Rock
07-10-2005, 12:23 AM
Chigongman wrote:

> I have only myself using the XP machine so I just use it as Admin. No Users
> are set up.
>
> When I install programs, I notice sometimes they put their icons into the
> Start Menu | Programs folder under Documents and Settings | Administrator,
> and sometimes under the Start Menu | Programs folder under Documents and
> Settings | All Users.
>
> Of course, when I click Start | Programs they all get mixed together in the
> lists I see.
>
> However, sometimes I like to reorganize the lists and set up my own groups,
> and it's a lot easier to do this if all the icons are in the same folder
> structure, say under All Users (where most go anyway).
>
> To achieve my goal, I go into Windows Explorer and simply move things from
> Documents and Settings | Administrator | Start Menu | Programs to Documents
> and Settings | All Users | Start Menu | Programs.
>
> It works fine and seems flawless, but I'm just wondering if there are any
> unseen places in Windows where my doing this might pose a problem.
>
> (I will of course have to rearrange things when I add employees and it's
> time to designate various Users, but for now I'm trying to keep it simple for
> myself -- but certainly do NOT want to introduce any chance at all of any
> potential issues.)
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jay
>

Are you running with the built in Administrator account? If so this is
not a good idea. You should leave this account alone as a fall back in
case the normal operations account is damaged. Create another user with
admin privileges and use that for every day activities. You can copy
the settings from the built in Administrator account to this every day
user account. See the following link:

http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/win_xp_logon.htm
Scroll down to the section on Understanding User Profiles then to the
section, Copy a User Profile.

--
Rock
MS MVP Windows - Shell/User

Chigongman
07-10-2005, 12:23 AM
Yes, Rock, I am talking about the built in Administrator account.

Maybe I should clarify what I've been doing, though... maybe what I'm doing
is not so bad after all, even in light of your comments, Rock.

The only folders/icons I've been moving out of the Administrator's "Start
Menu" folders are programs that I installed that have nothing to do with XP
or the system itself. Everything that's system oriented remains untouched --
for instance, everything under the Accessories folder remains untouched.

I'm mainly moving folders/icons that have to with, for instance, grouping
all of my Adobe files into one folder, all my Palm stuff into one folder, all
my Media Player stuff to one folder (oh, well, I may have moved Windows Media
Player from Administrator to All Users if it wasn't already in All Users, I
don't recall)...

Between that and frequent backups, I'm hoping I'm fine for all practical
purposes. The truth is that I haven't been anxious to embark upon the task of
learning how to handle actual Users as yet because I'm trying to avoid
spending the time it will take until I really have to do it, and hopefully at
that time I can have an expert walk me through the nuances and the changes to
how I'll be seeing and using things.

But, again, I really don't want to compromise the integrity of the XP
configuration at this early stage, either!!! The company will expectedly be
seeing massive growth starting very soon and will need to expand on what I
have going on right now. It needs to be something to readily build on!
Actually, I may be past the point of no return right now in that I don't even
have a record of what I've already moved from the Admin folders to the All
Users folders. I just know that everything in the All Users - Start Menu
folders is programs I bought elsewhere and installed myself, nothing to do
with XP or the system (WMP not withstanding).

What do you think?

Rock
07-10-2005, 12:23 AM
Chigongman wrote:
> Yes, Rock, I am talking about the built in Administrator account.
>
> Maybe I should clarify what I've been doing, though... maybe what I'm doing
> is not so bad after all, even in light of your comments, Rock.
>
> The only folders/icons I've been moving out of the Administrator's "Start
> Menu" folders are programs that I installed that have nothing to do with XP
> or the system itself. Everything that's system oriented remains untouched --
> for instance, everything under the Accessories folder remains untouched.
>
> I'm mainly moving folders/icons that have to with, for instance, grouping
> all of my Adobe files into one folder, all my Palm stuff into one folder, all
> my Media Player stuff to one folder (oh, well, I may have moved Windows Media
> Player from Administrator to All Users if it wasn't already in All Users, I
> don't recall)...
>
> Between that and frequent backups, I'm hoping I'm fine for all practical
> purposes. The truth is that I haven't been anxious to embark upon the task of
> learning how to handle actual Users as yet because I'm trying to avoid
> spending the time it will take until I really have to do it, and hopefully at
> that time I can have an expert walk me through the nuances and the changes to
> how I'll be seeing and using things.
>
> But, again, I really don't want to compromise the integrity of the XP
> configuration at this early stage, either!!! The company will expectedly be
> seeing massive growth starting very soon and will need to expand on what I
> have going on right now. It needs to be something to readily build on!
> Actually, I may be past the point of no return right now in that I don't even
> have a record of what I've already moved from the Admin folders to the All
> Users folders. I just know that everything in the All Users - Start Menu
> folders is programs I bought elsewhere and installed myself, nothing to do
> with XP or the system (WMP not withstanding).
>
> What do you think?
>

It's not your moving things around that's the issue, it's that the user
profile sometimes can get corrupted and when that happens that's where
the built in administrator account comes in. Using that one can login,
create a new profile, copy settings to it, etc.

Otherwise you're faced with a repair intall to fix things again, losing
all updates for XP. I don't know what backup strategy you have in
place. If it's drive imaging then that will help you recover the system
if things go south, but still it's better to save that built in
administrator account and operate day to day in another account with
administrator privileges.

--
Rock
MS MVP Windows - Shell/User

Chigongman
07-10-2005, 12:23 AM
"Rock" wrote:

> It's not your moving things around that's the issue, it's that the user
> profile sometimes can get corrupted and when that happens that's where
> the built in administrator account comes in. Using that one can login,
> create a new profile, copy settings to it, etc.
>
> Otherwise you're faced with a repair intall to fix things again, losing
> all updates for XP. I don't know what backup strategy you have in
> place. If it's drive imaging then that will help you recover the system
> if things go south, but still it's better to save that built in
> administrator account and operate day to day in another account with
> administrator privileges.
>
> --
> Rock
> MS MVP Windows - Shell/User
>
>

My backup procedure is pretty strong: full system backups to external hard
rive along with bootable Disaster Recovery CDs, then incremental backups to
the external drive nightly as well (all with Retrospect Professional).

Just the same, maybe I should do as you say and create a new User profile
with Admin privileges and use that. How complicated will that process be? I
presume I can leave what I've moved where it is, right, and can continue to
move things as I choose along the same lines in the future, right? Until I
learn what Users does to the layout in Start Menu folders in Explorer and,
far more importantly, the actual access and lack thereof that occurs, will it
be difficult learning how access to various programs and folders will be
affected by User profiles? Do I just follow that link you gave me and use its
Copy Profile procedure? Why that and not just create a new User and give it
Admin privileges and then work from there, in which case I assume I can still
move program icons to form groups as I please anyway, right?

Thanks again!

Jay

Rock
07-10-2005, 12:23 AM
Chigongman wrote:
> "Rock" wrote:
>
>
>>It's not your moving things around that's the issue, it's that the user
>>profile sometimes can get corrupted and when that happens that's where
>>the built in administrator account comes in. Using that one can login,
>>create a new profile, copy settings to it, etc.
>>
>>Otherwise you're faced with a repair intall to fix things again, losing
>>all updates for XP. I don't know what backup strategy you have in
>>place. If it's drive imaging then that will help you recover the system
>>if things go south, but still it's better to save that built in
>>administrator account and operate day to day in another account with
>>administrator privileges.
>>
>>--
>>Rock
>>MS MVP Windows - Shell/User
>>
>>
>
>
> My backup procedure is pretty strong: full system backups to external hard
> rive along with bootable Disaster Recovery CDs, then incremental backups to
> the external drive nightly as well (all with Retrospect Professional).
>
> Just the same, maybe I should do as you say and create a new User profile
> with Admin privileges and use that. How complicated will that process be? I
> presume I can leave what I've moved where it is, right, and can continue to
> move things as I choose along the same lines in the future, right? Until I
> learn what Users does to the layout in Start Menu folders in Explorer and,
> far more importantly, the actual access and lack thereof that occurs, will it
> be difficult learning how access to various programs and folders will be
> affected by User profiles? Do I just follow that link you gave me and use its
> Copy Profile procedure? Why that and not just create a new User and give it
> Admin privileges and then work from there, in which case I assume I can still
> move program icons to form groups as I please anyway, right?
>
> Thanks again!
>
> Jay
>

Sure you'll be able to use the current administrator account until and
after the new one is up and running. There will be no impact. Copying
is easy as the link will show. Accessing programs won't be any
different - the setup will be the same.

--
Rock
MS MVP Windows - Shell/User


Moving items from Admin/User to All Users Start-Programs folders