avast



harry
07-09-2005, 11:21 PM
Just did a clean installation of xp pro sp1 and download 'avast anti virus'
from downloads.com. my pc was flooded with undersirable web pages which
appear by itself. When i go to 'add/remove', there are other programs being
added such as Internet Optimiser,Istsvc,Sidefind,180 search Assistant , Power
scan etc whcih some cannot be removed off-line.
My question is why when I download 'Avast'-they are suppose to help me to
keep my pc clean but I get all these rubbish into my system and according to
NAV2005, I these are all spyware etc. Precisely why I do a clean
installation is because NAV cannot clean it and now I am back to square it.

Shenan Stanley
07-09-2005, 11:21 PM
harry wrote:
> Just did a clean installation of xp pro sp1 and download 'avast anti
> virus' from downloads.com. my pc was flooded with undersirable web
> pages which appear by itself. When i go to 'add/remove', there are
> other programs being added such as Internet
> Optimiser,Istsvc,Sidefind,180 search Assistant , Power scan etc whcih
> some cannot be removed off-line.
> My question is why when I download 'Avast'-they are suppose to help
> me to keep my pc clean but I get all these rubbish into my system and
> according to NAV2005, I these are all spyware etc. Precisely why I
> do a clean installation is because NAV cannot clean it and now I am
> back to square it.

Avast didn't give you the popups, etc..

Did you firewall before connecting to the internet?
Did you go to http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/ as your first visit on the
Internet and patch with the critical updates?
Did you install/use/immunize with AntiSpyware applications before surfing
the web more than for updates and necessary applications?

Tip 10 should help you reduce the spyware/malware.
Tip 9 will give you options other than Avast! (although I love Avast!) for
AntiVirus.

Microsoft has these suggestions for Protecting your computer from the
various "bad things" that could happen to you/it:

Protect your PC
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/


Although those tips are fantastic, there are many things you should
know above and beyond what is there as well as other methods and
applications you can use to protect yourself. Below I have detailed
out many steps that can not only help you cleanup a problem PC but
keep it clean and secure as well as running at its top performance mark.

I know this list can seem intimidating - it is quite long and a lot
to take in for a novice - but I assure you that one trip through this
list and you will understand your computer and the options available
to you for protecting your data much better and that the next time
you review these steps, the time it takes will be greatly reduced.

Let's take the cleanup of your computer step-by-step. Yes, it will take
up some of your time - but consider what you use your computer
for and how much you would dislike it if all of your stuff on your
computer went away because you did not "feel like" performing some
simple maintenance tasks - think of it like changing the oil in your car,
changing the air filter on your home A/C unit, paying your bills on time,
etc.

Let's go through some maintenance first that should only have to be done
once (mostly):

Tip (1):
Locate all of the software (the installation media - CDs, etc) that you
have installed on your computer. Collect these CDs into a single pile
and locate the original installation media (CDs, disks) in a central and
safe place along with their CD keys and such. Make backups of these
installation media sets using your favorite copying method (CD Burner and
application, Disk copier, etc.) You'll be glad to know that if you have
a CD burner, you may be able to use a free application to make a
duplicate copy of your CDs. One such application is ISORecorder:

ISORecorder home page (with general instructions on use):
http://isorecorder.alexfeinman.com/isorecorder.htm

Pre-SP2 version:
http://isorecorder.alexfeinman.com/IsoRecorder/download.asp

Post-SP2 beta version:
http://isorecorder.alexfeinman.com/download/ISORecorderV2B2.zip

More full function applications (free) for CD/DVD burning would be:

DeepBurner Free
http://www.deepburner.com/

CDBurnerXP Pro
http://www.cdburnerxp.se/

Another Option would be to search the web with Pricewatch.com or
Dealsites.net and find deals on Nero and/or Roxio.


Tip (2):
Empty your Internet Explorer Temporary Internet Files and make sure the
maximum size for this is small enough not to cause trouble in the future.
Empty your Temporary Internet Files and shrink the size it stores to a
size between 128MB and 512MB..

- Open ONE copy of Internet Explorer.
- Select TOOLS -> Internet Options.
- Under the General tab in the "Temporary Internet Files" section, do the
following:
- Click on "Delete Cookies" (click OK)
- Click on "Settings" and change the "Amount of disk space to use:" to
something between 128MB and 512MB. (Betting it is MUCH larger right
now.)
- Click OK.
- Click on "Delete Files" and select to "Delete all offline contents"
(the checkbox) and click OK. (If you had a LOT, this could take 2-10
minutes or more.)
- Once it is done, click OK, close Internet Explorer, re-open Internet
Explorer.


Tip (3):
If things are running a bit slow or you have an older system
(1.5GHz or less and 256MB RAM or less) then you may want to look into
tweaking the performance a bit by turning off some of the memory
using Windows XP "prettifications". The fastest method is:

Control Panel --> System --> Advanced tab --> Performance section,
Settings button. Then choose "adjust for best performance" and you
now have a Windows 2000/98 look which turned off many of the annoying
"prettifications" in one swift action. You can play with the last
three checkboxes to get more of an XP look without many of the
other annoyances. You could also grab and install/mess with one
(or more) of the Microsoft Powertoys - TweakUI in particular:

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx


Tip (4):
Understanding what a good password might be is vital to your
personal and system security. You may not need to password your home
computer, as you may have it in a locked area (your home) where no
one else has access to it. Remember, however, that locked area is
unlocked when you access the Internet unless you are taking proper
precautions. Also, you aren't always "in that locked area" when using
your computer online - meaning you likely have usernames and passwords
associated with web sites and the likes that you would prefer other
people do not discover/use. This is why you should understand and
utilize good passwords.

Good passwords are those that meet these general rules
(mileage may vary):

Passwords should contain at least six characters, and the character
string should contain at least three of these four character types:
- uppercase letters
- lowercase letters
- numerals
- nonalphanumeric characters (e.g., *, %, &, !)

Passwords should not contain your name/logon name. Passwords should
be unique to you and easy to remember. One method many people are
using today is to make up a phrase that describes a point in their
life and then turning that phrase into their password by using only
certain letters out of each word in that phrase. It's much better
than using your birthday month/year or your anniversary in a pure
sense. For example, let's say my phrase is:
"Moved to new home in 2004"
I could come up with this password from that:
"Mv2n3whmN04"

The password tip is in the "one time" section, but I highly
recommend you periodically change your passwords. The suggested time
varies, but I will throw out a "once in every 3 to 6 months for
every account you have."


Tip (5):
This tip is also "questionable" in the "one time" section. However,
if properly setup, this one can be pretty well ignored for most people
after the initial "fiddle-with" time.

Why you should use a computer firewall..
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/viruses/fwbenefits.mspx

You should, in some way, use a firewall. Hardware (like a nice
Cable Modem/DSL router) or software is up to you. Many use both of
these. The simplest one to use is the hardware one, as most people
don't do anything they need to configure their NAT device for and
those who do certainly will not mind fiddling with the equipment to
make things work for them. Next in the line of "simplicity" would
have to be the built-in Windows Firewall of Windows XP. In SP2 it
is turned on by default. It is not difficult to turn on in any
case, however:

Enable/Disable the Internet Connection Firewall (Pre-SP2):
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/283673

More information on the Internet Connection Firewall (Pre-SP2):
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/320855

Post-SP2 Windows Firewall Information/guidance:
http://snipurl.com/atal

The trouble with the Windows Firewall is that it only keeps things
out. Truthfully, for most people who maintain their system in other
ways, this is MORE than sufficient. However, you may feel otherwise.
If you want to know when one of your applications is trying to obtain
access to the outside world so you can stop it, then you will have to
install a third-party application and configure/maintain it. I have
compiled a list with links of some of the better known/free firewalls
you can choose from:

ZoneAlarm (Free and up)
http://snipurl.com/6ohg

Kerio Personal Firewall (KPF) (Free and up)
http://www.kerio.com/kpf_download.html

Outpost Firewall from Agnitum (Free and up)
http://www.agnitum.com/download/

Sygate Personal Firewall (Free and up)
http://smb.sygate.com/buy/download_buy.htm

Symantec's Norton Personal Firewall (~$25 and up)
http://www.symantec.com/sabu/nis/npf/

BlackICE PC Protection ($39.95 and up)
http://blackice.iss.net/

Perhaps you can find the right firewall for your situation in that
list and set it up/configure it. Every firewall MAY require some
maintenance. Essentially checking for patches or upgrades (this
goes for hardware and software solutions) is the extent of this
maintenance - but you may also have to configure your firewall to
allow some traffic depending on your needs. Also, don't stack these
things. Running more than one firewall will not make you safer
- it would likely (in fact) negate some protection you gleamed
from one or the other firewalls you run.



Now that you have some of the more basic (one-time) things down..
Let's go through some of the steps you should take periodically to
maintain a healthy and stable windows computer. If you have not
done some of these things in the past, they may seem tedious at
first - however, they will become routine and some can even be
automatically scheduled.


Tip (6):
The system restore feature is a new one - first appearing in Windows
ME and then sticking around for Windows XP. It is a VERY useful
feature - if you keep it maintained and use it to your advantage.
However, remember that the system restore pretty much tells you in
the name what it protects - "system" files. Your documents, your
pictures, your stuff is NOT system files - so you should also look
into some backup solution.

I'll mainly work around Windows XP, as that is what the bulk of this
document is about. I will, however, point out a single place for you
poor souls still stuck in Windows ME where you can get information on
maintaining your system right now:

Windows ME Computer Health:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsME/using/computerhealth/articles/

Pay close attention to the sections:
(in order)
- Clean up your hard disk
- Check for errors by running ScanDisk
- Defragment your hard disk
- Roll back the clock with System Restore

Now back to the point at hand - maintaining your system restore in
Windows XP SHOULD be automatic - but I have seen the automatic go wrong
too many times not to suggest the following.. Whenever you think about
it (after doing a once-over on your machine once a month or so would
be optimal) - clear out your System Restore and create a manual
restoration point. Why? Too many times have I seen the system restore
files go corrupt or get a virus in them, meaning you could not or
did not want to restore from them. By clearing it out periodically
you help prevent any corruption from happening and you make sure you
have at least one good "snapshot".
(This, of course, will erase any previous restore point you have.)

- Turn off System Restore.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310405
- Reboot.
- Turn on System Restore.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310405
- Make a Manual Restoration Point.
http://snipurl.com/68nx

That covers your system files, but doesn't do anything for the files
that you are REALLY worried about - yours! For that you need to look
into backups. You can either manually copy your important files, folders,
documents, spreadsheets, emails, contacts, pictures, drawings and so on
to an external location (CD/DV - any disk of some sort, etc) or you can
use the backup tool that comes with Windows XP:

How To Use Backup to Back Up Files and Folders on Your Computer
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308422

Yes - you still need some sort of external media to store the results
on, but you could schedule the backup to occur when you are not around,
then burn the resultant data onto CD or DVD or something when you are
(while you do other things!)


Tip (7):
You should sometimes look through the list of applications that are
installed on your computer. The list MIGHT surprise you. There are more
than likely things in there you KNOW you never use - so why have them
there? There may even be things you KNOW you did not install and
certainly do not use (maybe don't WANT to use.)

This web site should help you get started at looking through this list:

How to Uninstall Programs
http://snipurl.com/8v6b

A word of warning - Do NOT uninstall anything you think you MIGHT need
in the future unless you have completed Tip (1) and have the installation
media and proper keys for use backed up somewhere safe!


Tip (8):
Patches and Updates!

This one cannot be stressed enough. It is SO simple, yet so neglected
by many people. It is especially simple for the critical Windows patches!
Microsoft put in an AUTOMATED feature for you to utilize so that you do
NOT have to worry yourself about the patching of the Operating System:

How to configure and use Automatic Updates in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306525

However, not everyone wants to be a slave to "automation", and that is
fine - as long as you are willing to do things manually. Admittedly, I
prefer this method on some of my more critical systems.

Windows Update
http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/

Go there and scan your machine for updates. Always get the critical ones
as you see them. Write down the KB###### or Q###### you see when
selecting the updates and if you have trouble over the next few days,
go into your control panel (Add/Remove Programs), match up the latest
numbers you downloaded recently (since you started noticing an issue) and
uninstall them. If there was more than one (usually is), uninstall them
one by one - with a few hours of use in between, to see if the problem
returns. Yes - the process is not perfect (updating) and can cause trouble
like I mentioned - but as you can see, the solution isn't that bad - and is
MUCH better than the alternatives.

Windows is not the only product you likely have on your PC. The
manufacturers of the other products usually have updates as well. New
versions of almost everything come out all the time - some are free, some
are pay - some you can only download if you are registered - but it is best
to check. Just go to their web pages and look under their support and
download sections. For example, for Microsoft Office update, you should
visit:

Microsoft Office Updates
http://office.microsoft.com/
(and select "downloads")

You also have hardware on your machine that requires drivers to interface
with the operating system. You have a video card that allows you to see on
your screen, a sound card that allows you to hear your PCs sound output and
so on. Visit those manufacturer web sites for the latest downloadable
drivers for your hardware/operating system. Always (IMO) get the
manufacturers' hardware driver over any Microsoft offers. On the Windows
Update site I mentioned earlier, I suggest NOT getting their hardware
drivers - no matter how tempting. First - how do you know what hardware
you have in your computer? Invoice or if it is up and working now - take
inventory:

Belarc Advisor
http://belarc.com/free_download.html

EVEREST Home Edition
http://www.lavalys.com/products/download.php?pid=1&lang=en

Once you know what you have, what next? Go get the latest driver for your
hardware/OS from the manufacturer's web page. For example, let's say you
have an NVidia chipset video card or ATI video card, perhaps a Creative
Labs sound card or C-Media chipset sound card...

NVidia Video Card Drivers
http://www.nvidia.com/content/drivers/drivers.asp

ATI Video Card Drivers
http://www.atitech.com/support/driver.html

Creative Labs Sound Device
http://us.creative.com/support/downloads/

C-Media Sound Device
http://www.cmedia.com.tw/e_download_01.htm

Then install these drivers. Updated drivers are usually more stable and
may provide extra benefits/features that you really wished you had before.

As for Service Pack 2 (SP2) for Windows XP, Microsoft has made this
particular patch available in a number of ways. First, there is the
Windows Update web page above. Then there is a direct download site
and finally, you can order the FREE CD from Microsoft.

Direct Download of Service Pack 2 (SP2) for Windows XP
http://snipurl.com/8bqy

Order the Free Windows XP SP2 CD
http://snipurl.com/8umo


Tip (9):
What about the dreaded word in the computer world, VIRUS?

Well, there are many products to choose from that will help you prevent
infections from these horrid little applications. Many are FREE to the
home user. Which one you choose is a matter of taste, really. I wouldn't
list one here I had not personally used - and they all work. Many people
have emotional attachments or performance issues with one or another
AntiVirus software. Try some out, read reviews and decide for yourself
which you like more:

avast! (Free and up)
http://www.avast.com/

AVG Anti-Virus System (Free and up)
http://www.grisoft.com/

AntiVir (Free and up)
http://www.free-av.com/

RAV AntiVirus Online Virus Scan (Free!)
http://www.ravantivirus.com/scan/

Symantec (Norton) AntiVirus (~$11 and up)
http://www.symantec.com/nav/nav_9xnt/

Kaspersky Anti-Virus (~$49.95 and up)
http://www.kaspersky.com/products.html

Panda Antivirus Titanium (~$39.95 and up)
http://www.pandasoftware.com/
(Free Online Scanner: http://www.pandasoftware.com/activescan/)

McAfee VirusScan (~$11 and up)
http://www.mcafee.com/

Trend Micro (~$49.95 and up)
http://www.trendmicro.com/en/home/us/personal.htm
(Free Online Scanner:
http://housecall.trendmicro.com/housecall/start_corp.asp)

Untested (by me):
eTrust EZ Antivirus ($29.95 and up)
https://www2.my-etrust.com/commerce/buy.it.cfm

Most of them have automatic update capabilities. You will have to
look into the features of the one you choose. Whatever one you finally
settle with - be SURE to keep it updated (I recommend at least daily) and
perform a full scan periodically (yes, it protects you actively, but a
full scan once a month at 4AM probably won't bother you.)


Tip (10):
The most rampant infestation at the current time concerns SPYWARE/ADWARE.
I hate this stuff. It has no purpose. I have seen people try to justify
it over and over - it's worthless. It slows down your PC, it can send
your private information to people you'll never meet and did I mention,
it's worthless. You need to eliminate it from your machine.

If you use P2P software, this COULD make that stop working. Find some
decent software to do the same thing - what you are currently using is
crap.

Anyway - there is no one software that cleans and immunizes you against
everything. Antivirus software - you only needed one. Firewall, you
only needed one. AntiSpyware - you may need several. I have a list and
I recommend you use at least the first 5. I know that sounds like a lot,
and you may be saying "But you said earlier that I should clean my system,
now you are telling me to install more software - 5 pieces in fact!" Okay,
I get your point, but please consider that this stuff has prevented the
install of the latest service pack for some people, it has the potential
to slow and crater your PC, it can send your private information around
the world to people you do not know - it is all around BAD.

First - make sure you have NOT installed "Rogue AntiSpyware". There are
people out there who created AntiSpyware products that actually install
spyware of their own! You need to avoid these:

Rogue/Suspect Anti-Spyware Products & Web Sites
http://www.spywarewarrior.com/rogue_anti-spyware.htm

Also, you can always visit this site..
http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/unwanted.htm
For more updated information.

Then, my suggestion again is that you at least install the first five of
these: (Install, Run, Update, Scan with..)

Lavasoft AdAware (Free and up)
http://www.lavasoft.de/support/download/
(How-to: http://snipurl.com/atdn )

Spybot Search and Destroy (Free!)
http://www.safer-networking.net/en/download/index.html
(How-to: http://snipurl.com/atdk )

Bazooka Adware and Spyware Scanner (Free!)
http://www.kephyr.com/spywarescanner/
(How-to: http://snipurl.com/ate3 )

SpywareBlaster (Free!)
http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/sbdownload.html
(How-to: http://snipurl.com/ate6 )

IE-SPYAD (Free!)
https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/ehowes/www/resource.htm
(How-to: http://snipurl.com/ate7 )

CWShredder (Free!)
http://www.softbasket.com/download/s_8114.shtml

Hijack This! (Free)
http://mjc1.com/mirror/hjt/
( Tutorial: http://hjt.wizardsofwebsites.com/ )

ToolbarCop (Free!)
http://windowsxp.mvps.org/toolbarcop.htm

Browser Security Tests
http://www.jasons-toolbox.com/BrowserSecurity/

Popup Tester
http://www.popuptest.com/

The Cleaner (49.95 and up)
http://www.moosoft.com/

If used properly, you should have a malware free system now. The last
two of the first five I suggest you install are immunization applications.
None of these programs (in these editions) run in the background unless you
TELL them to. The space they take up and how easy they are to use greatly
makes up for any inconvenience you may be feeling.

Unfortunately, although that will lessen your popups on the Internet/while
you are online, it won't eliminate them. I have looked at a lot of options,
seen a lot of them used in production with people who seem to attract popups
like a plague, and I only have a few other suggestions that should help.
This one ends up serving double duty (search engine and popup stopper
in one):

The Google Toolbar (Free!)
http://toolbar.google.com/

Yeah - it adds a bar to your Internet Explorer - but it's a useful one. You
can search from there anytime with one of the best search engines on the
planet (IMO.) And the fact it stops most popups - wow - BONUS! If you
don't like that suggestion, then I am just going to say you go to
www.google.com and search for other options.

Please notice that Windows XP SP2 does help stop popups as well.

Another option is to use an alternative Web browser. I suggest
"Mozilla Firefox", as it has some great features and is very easy to use:

Mozilla Firefox
http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/

One more suggestion is to disable your Windows Messenger service. This
service is not used frequently (if at all) by the normal home user and
in cooperation with a good firewall, is generally unnecessary. Microsoft
has instructions on how to do this for Windows XP here:

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/using/howto/communicate/stopspam.asp


So your machine is pretty clean and up to date now. If you use the sections
above as a guide, it should stay that way as well! There are still a few
more little things you can do to keep your machine running in top shape.


Tip (11):
You should periodically check your hard drive(s) for errors and defragment
them. Only defragment after you have cleaned up your machine of
outside parasites and never defragment as a solution to a quirkiness in
your system. It may help speed up your system, but it should be clean
before you do this.

How to use Disk Cleanup
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=310312

How to scan your disks for errors
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=315265

How to Defragment your hard drives
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=314848

I would personally perform the above steps at least once every three months.
For most people this should be sufficient, but if the difference you notice
afterwards is greater than you think it should be, lessen the time in
between its schedule.. If the difference you notice is negligible, you can
increase the time.


Tip (12):
SPAM! JUNK MAIL!
This one can get annoying, just like the rest. You get 50 emails in one
sitting and 2 of them you wanted. NICE! (Not.) What can you do? Well,
although there are services out there to help you, some email
servers/services that actually do lower your spam with features built into
their servers - I still like the methods that let you be the end-decision
maker on what is spam and what is not. I have two products to suggest to
you, look at them and see if either of them suite your needs. Again, if
they don't, Google is free and available for your perusal.

SpamBayes (Free!)
http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/

Spamihilator (Free!)
http://www.spamihilator.com/

As I said, those are not your only options, but are reliable ones I have
seen function for hundreds+ people.


Tip (13):
ADVANCED TIP! Only do this once you are comfortable under the hood of your
computer!

There are lots of services on your PC that are probably turned on by default
you don't use. Why have them on? Check out these web pages to see what all
of the services you might find on your computer are and set them according
to your personal needs. Be CAREFUL what you set to manual, and take heed
and write down as you change things! Also, don't expect a large performance
increase or anything - especially on today's 2+ GHz machines, however - I
look at each service you set to manual as one less service you have to worry
about someone exploiting. A year ago, I would have thought the Windows
Messenger service to be pretty safe, now I recommend (with addition of
a firewall) that most home users disable it! Yeah - this is another one you
have to work for, but your computer may speed up and/or be more secure
because you took the time. And if you document what you do as you do it,
next time, it goes MUCH faster! (or if you have to go back and re-enable
things..)

Task List Programs
http://www.answersthatwork.com/Tasklist_pages/tasklist.htm

Black Viper's Service List and Opinions (XP)
http://www.blackviper.com/WinXP/servicecfg.htm

Processes in Windows NT/2000/XP
http://www.reger24.de/prozesse/

There are also applications that AREN'T services that startup when you start
up the computer/logon. One of the better description on how to handle these
I have found here:

Startups
http://www.pacs-portal.co.uk/startup_content.php


If you follow the advice laid out above (and do some of your own research as
well, so you understand what you are doing) - your computer will stay fairly
stable and secure and you will have a more trouble-free system.

--
>=- Shenan -=<
>=- MS MVP -=<
--

Kelly
07-09-2005, 11:21 PM
Hi Harry,

For note, download.com is now removing any software that contains malware,
etc. As per Avast, set it aside for now and run this combo:

Run Ad-Aware SE, Spybot, CWShredder and HijackThis:
http://www.majorgeeks.com/downloads31.html

Note: Update the first two programs, once installed, before running.

--

All the Best,
Kelly (MS-MVP)

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com


"harry" <harry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:514A7949-9189-4888-9865-2C7E8633BBFC@microsoft.com...
> Just did a clean installation of xp pro sp1 and download 'avast anti
> virus'
> from downloads.com. my pc was flooded with undersirable web pages which
> appear by itself. When i go to 'add/remove', there are other programs
> being
> added such as Internet Optimiser,Istsvc,Sidefind,180 search Assistant ,
> Power
> scan etc whcih some cannot be removed off-line.
> My question is why when I download 'Avast'-they are suppose to help me to
> keep my pc clean but I get all these rubbish into my system and according
> to
> NAV2005, I these are all spyware etc. Precisely why I do a clean
> installation is because NAV cannot clean it and now I am back to square
> it.

RJ
07-09-2005, 11:21 PM
Shenan had some good suggestions, but it was rather lenghty.
It is now possible to become infected with all sort of malware within
20 minutes of connecting your PC to the Internet.... if you are not protected.

Always install a firewall before connecting a new PC to the Internet.
Either a hardware or software firewall - or both.
ZoneAlarm is a well known software firewall and there is a free version.
(although I would suggest getting ZoneAlarm Pro)

http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/catalog/products/sku_list_za.jsp?lid=nav_za

The MS firewall is a lame, half-attempt at a firewall, and should not be
your 1st choice.

Format your hard drive and start over - then install ZoneAlarm, install your Antivirus
software - then connect to the Internet. Go get all your updates and patches for Windows
first, then any others that you might need for other applications. You should be OK.



"harry" <harry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:514A7949-9189-4888-9865-2C7E8633BBFC@microsoft.com...
> Just did a clean installation of xp pro sp1 and download 'avast anti virus'
> from downloads.com. my pc was flooded with undersirable web pages which
> appear by itself. When i go to 'add/remove', there are other programs being
> added such as Internet Optimiser,Istsvc,Sidefind,180 search Assistant , Power
> scan etc whcih some cannot be removed off-line.
> My question is why when I download 'Avast'-they are suppose to help me to
> keep my pc clean but I get all these rubbish into my system and according to
> NAV2005, I these are all spyware etc. Precisely why I do a clean
> installation is because NAV cannot clean it and now I am back to square it.

JS
07-09-2005, 11:21 PM
Shenan Stanley wrote:
> harry wrote:
>
>>Just did a clean installation of xp pro sp1 and download 'avast anti
>>virus' from downloads.com. my pc was flooded with undersirable web
>>pages which appear by itself. When i go to 'add/remove', there are
>>other programs being added such as Internet
>>Optimiser,Istsvc,Sidefind,180 search Assistant , Power scan etc whcih
>>some cannot be removed off-line.
>>My question is why when I download 'Avast'-they are suppose to help
>>me to keep my pc clean but I get all these rubbish into my system and
>>according to NAV2005, I these are all spyware etc. Precisely why I
>>do a clean installation is because NAV cannot clean it and now I am
>>back to square it.
>
>
> Avast didn't give you the popups, etc..
>
> Did you firewall before connecting to the internet?
> Did you go to http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/ as your first visit on the
> Internet and patch with the critical updates?
> Did you install/use/immunize with AntiSpyware applications before surfing
> the web more than for updates and necessary applications?
>
> Tip 10 should help you reduce the spyware/malware.
> Tip 9 will give you options other than Avast! (although I love Avast!) for
> AntiVirus.
>
> Microsoft has these suggestions for Protecting your computer from the
> various "bad things" that could happen to you/it:
>
> Protect your PC
> http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/
>
>
> Although those tips are fantastic, there are many things you should
> know above and beyond what is there as well as other methods and
> applications you can use to protect yourself. Below I have detailed
> out many steps that can not only help you cleanup a problem PC but
> keep it clean and secure as well as running at its top performance mark.
>
> I know this list can seem intimidating - it is quite long and a lot
> to take in for a novice - but I assure you that one trip through this
> list and you will understand your computer and the options available
> to you for protecting your data much better and that the next time
> you review these steps, the time it takes will be greatly reduced.

Hello Shenan,

Although this list is fantastic, I'm not sure it's particularly helpful
to keep posting it. For one thing, it would be far more
bandwidth-friendly to put it on the web and post a link.

More importantly, I don't think the kind of person who is wide open to
malware will be the kind of person who will benefit from your advice.
Sure, techie users will lap it up, but I can't see Joe Sixpack user
working through all that information in order to secure their PC. What
they really want is a magic bullet. That may be impossible but posting,
say, a few links to anti-spyware freeware and some short "safe hex" tips
will probably be more effective.

I hope you don't take offence -- like I said, I think your advice is
great -- so consider this constructive criticism.

JS

Gene Murphy
07-09-2005, 11:21 PM
Hi all Gene Murphy here.
I sort of agree with JS post, i am not even close to a "techie" but have not
been bothered by either spyware, maleware, pop-ups, Trojans, viruses, worms
or even hacked into for nearly two years now. This is certainly only my
humble opinion, but just a suggestion for the newbie's who just want a
somewhat simple set of software many of it free that I find just lets me run
24/7 on broadband with my computer still humming along at top speed and
everything is set on automatic so i don't even have to run manual updates of
any of my software programs that protect me, i am way to lazy for all that
stuff , and just want this computer to make my life easier not harder.
This is a list of what I run on Windows XP SP2
1) Zone Alarm Pro. Yes this can be at first a rather difficult for the
average home user to configure properly but with just a little reading of
the online manual and help files it is rather simplistic.This is a paid
version but a free scan and free version is available at
http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/home.jsp
2)eTrust antivirus by computer associates >This is a paid version but in the
next line i will give you another anti-virus that is free and is the few
ones you can run along with other anti-virus programs that do not conflict
with each other. Information about this one can be found at:
http://store.ca.com/dr/sat1/ec_Main.Entry17c?SID=35715&SP=10007&PID=&PN=0&CID=179788&api1=78&api2=1&DSP=&CUR=840&PGRP=0&CACHE_ID=179788
3) AVG Anti-Virus, i also run the paid PRO edition but the free one works
fine also just not quite as many bells and whistles. Information about both
the paid version and free version can be found at:
http://www.grisoft.com/doc/1
4)Microsoft Antispyware: i am running the beta version and it will run out
in 87 days, so i don't know how much it will cost after this, but for me
this is a very good program that scans every night at 2 am, which most of my
programs do so i am not bothered when i am active on the computer.
Information about this is here:
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/software/default.mspx
5)IM Secure Pro: This is for the few times i use either msn messenger or
yahoo messenger and protects you form being hacked into . Don't think they
have a free version of this but there is a trail version available here:
http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/home.jsp
6)Webroot Spy Sweeper: another paid version with a yearly subscription fee
for current daily updates: it runs also every week in the early am so it
does not bother me. details here:
http://www.webroot.com/?pc=64150&rc=1&ps=R&oc=5&mjv=3&mnv=5&bld=194&kc=ppa^lkik^^^^kdi`_kwl&cd=&dcc=&drc=&mo=2&sid=87812
7)Spyware Blaster. This is a free program and i love it! does not actually
scan your computer for spyware, but if you update it will just simply
completely stop the spyware from being downloading on your machine.
Information here" http://www.javacoolsoftware.inf
8)Perfect Disc: This is for me, one of the best hardrive defragmenting
tools out there, i have compared it with the one that ships with XP and
there is just no comparison, it runs in the background, and will only let
you get so fragmented before it runs silently in background. This machine
run at an amazing speed and i can multitask which i usually do being on the
net, building web pages in front page, downloading huge files, be in outlook
, sending and receiving emails all without ever even getting a stalled or
aborted program, don't know the last time i had to push alt+ctrl+delete in
years :)
Hope this helps in some small way, i guess my list looks overwhelming also
now that i see it, but it is actually pretty simple for if i can do it, then
i swear anyone can. lol info here : http://www.raxco.com/

Respectfully
The "Murf"
>> harry wrote:
>>
>>>Just did a clean installation of xp pro sp1 and download 'avast anti
>>>virus' from downloads.com. my pc was flooded with undersirable web
>>>pages which appear by itself. When i go to 'add/remove', there are
>>>other programs being added such as Internet
>>>Optimiser,Istsvc,Sidefind,180 search Assistant , Power scan etc whcih
>>>some cannot be removed off-line.
>>>My question is why when I download 'Avast'-they are suppose to help
>>>me to keep my pc clean but I get all these rubbish into my system and
>>>according to NAV2005, I these are all spyware etc. Precisely why I
>>>do a clean installation is because NAV cannot clean it and now I am
>>>back to square it.
>>
>>
>> Avast didn't give you the popups, etc..
>>
>> Did you firewall before connecting to the internet?
>> Did you go to http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/ as your first visit on
>> the Internet and patch with the critical updates?
>> Did you install/use/immunize with AntiSpyware applications before surfing
>> the web more than for updates and necessary applications?
>>
>> Tip 10 should help you reduce the spyware/malware.
>> Tip 9 will give you options other than Avast! (although I love Avast!)
>> for AntiVirus.
>>
>> Microsoft has these suggestions for Protecting your computer from the
>> various "bad things" that could happen to you/it:
>>
>> Protect your PC
>> http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/
>>
>>
>> Although those tips are fantastic, there are many things you should
>> know above and beyond what is there as well as other methods and
>> applications you can use to protect yourself. Below I have detailed
>> out many steps that can not only help you cleanup a problem PC but
>> keep it clean and secure as well as running at its top performance mark.
>>
>> I know this list can seem intimidating - it is quite long and a lot
>> to take in for a novice - but I assure you that one trip through this
>> list and you will understand your computer and the options available
>> to you for protecting your data much better and that the next time
>> you review these steps, the time it takes will be greatly reduced.
>
> Hello Shenan,
>
> Although this list is fantastic, I'm not sure it's particularly helpful to
> keep posting it. For one thing, it would be far more bandwidth-friendly to
> put it on the web and post a link.
>
> More importantly, I don't think the kind of person who is wide open to
> malware will be the kind of person who will benefit from your advice.
> Sure, techie users will lap it up, but I can't see Joe Sixpack user
> working through all that information in order to secure their PC. What
> they really want is a magic bullet. That may be impossible but posting,
> say, a few links to anti-spyware freeware and some short "safe hex" tips
> will probably be more effective.
>
> I hope you don't take offence -- like I said, I think your advice is
> great -- so consider this constructive criticism.
>
> JS

Richard Urban
07-09-2005, 11:21 PM
Did you buy it from the manufacturer and download it from their web site or
did you obtain it from one of the file sharing programs or a warez site?



--
Regards,

Richard Urban

aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)

If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!


"harry" <harry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:514A7949-9189-4888-9865-2C7E8633BBFC@microsoft.com...
> Just did a clean installation of xp pro sp1 and download 'avast anti
> virus'
> from downloads.com. my pc was flooded with undersirable web pages which
> appear by itself. When i go to 'add/remove', there are other programs
> being
> added such as Internet Optimiser,Istsvc,Sidefind,180 search Assistant ,
> Power
> scan etc whcih some cannot be removed off-line.
> My question is why when I download 'Avast'-they are suppose to help me to
> keep my pc clean but I get all these rubbish into my system and according
> to
> NAV2005, I these are all spyware etc. Precisely why I do a clean
> installation is because NAV cannot clean it and now I am back to square
> it.

Kerry Brown
07-09-2005, 11:22 PM
"RJ" <jackbobNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ulz3TKhVFHA.2540@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Shenan had some good suggestions, but it was rather lenghty.
> It is now possible to become infected with all sort of malware within
> 20 minutes of connecting your PC to the Internet.... if you are not
> protected.
>
> Always install a firewall before connecting a new PC to the Internet.
> Either a hardware or software firewall - or both.
> ZoneAlarm is a well known software firewall and there is a free version.
> (although I would suggest getting ZoneAlarm Pro)
>
> http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/catalog/products/sku_list_za.jsp?lid=nav_za
>
> The MS firewall is a lame, half-attempt at a firewall, and should not be
> your 1st choice.
>

The MS firewall is excellent at what it does. It will protect you from
worms, hackers, etc. It also runs before your computer is connected to the
internet. Zonealarm and others have a small window when the computer is
booting up where your computer could be infected. MS firewall in combination
with a good antivirus, and a good anti spyware program will give you as good
as you can get protection against outside infection. What Zone Alarm and
other firewalls offer that is extra is the ability to monitor what is
leaving your computer as well as what is coming in. This will only tell you
if you have been infected. It has no extra features to help prevent
infection from an outside source.

> Format your hard drive and start over - then install ZoneAlarm, install
> your Antivirus
> software - then connect to the Internet. Go get all your updates and
> patches for Windows
> first, then any others that you might need for other applications. You
> should be OK.
>
>

You also need a good antispyware program, preferably two or three. You also
need to practice safe computing. This means checking that all your programs
including Windows are up to date, running scans, and generally monitoring
what is going on with your computer.

Oh yeah, Shenan Stanley has all this in his post. I agree it may be more
effecient to point to a web link but the post is not that long and a lot of
newbies may not click on a link. I say keep posting the way you do. I'm sure
it's helped many people clean their computers and then helped them stay
clean.

Kerry

>
> "harry" <harry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:514A7949-9189-4888-9865-2C7E8633BBFC@microsoft.com...
>> Just did a clean installation of xp pro sp1 and download 'avast anti
>> virus'
>> from downloads.com. my pc was flooded with undersirable web pages which
>> appear by itself. When i go to 'add/remove', there are other programs
>> being
>> added such as Internet Optimiser,Istsvc,Sidefind,180 search Assistant ,
>> Power
>> scan etc whcih some cannot be removed off-line.
>> My question is why when I download 'Avast'-they are suppose to help me to
>> keep my pc clean but I get all these rubbish into my system and according
>> to
>> NAV2005, I these are all spyware etc. Precisely why I do a clean
>> installation is because NAV cannot clean it and now I am back to square
>> it.
>
>

CS
07-09-2005, 11:22 PM
On Wed, 11 May 2005 08:42:12 -0400, "Richard Urban"
<richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Did you buy it from the manufacturer and download it from their web site or
>did you obtain it from one of the file sharing programs or a warez site?

Avast is "FREE" for personal home use. Why would anyone need to
download it from a warez site?

Shenan Stanley
07-09-2005, 11:22 PM
Richard Urban wrote:
> Did you buy it from the manufacturer and download it from their web
> site or did you obtain it from one of the file sharing programs or a
> warez site?

CS wrote:
> Avast is "FREE" for personal home use. Why would anyone need to
> download it from a warez site?

"Need" and "Did" are two separate things. There are many people who get all
of their software from "warez" sites and never think twice about it. They
may not even CHECK to see if the product is in fact "free" for their use.
(Or even if it is the latest version or anything else.. They download it to
collect and try more things.)

In another light - although it is free for home use - that is not the "Pro
Edition", which is not free.. And would have to be purchased and/or
obtained by alternative means.


However, all that said - in this case the OP told everyone exactly where
they obtained the software from:

"... and download 'avast anti virus' from downloads.com."

And we are left assuming it is the "Home Edition" and not the "Professional
Edition" - not that it matters much since either should be malware free. So
they did get it from a legitmate source, they may have gotten the
Professional edition and then gotten a "crack" or "keygen" from a
not-so-legitimate source, however.

The short of it is that it is unlikely Avast! was what caused the popups on
this persons system. More likely the machine was not fully patched and
protected after their "... clean installation of xp pro sp1 ..." (SP1 no
less) and they went and did some web surfing.. (or were just ON the web,
unprotected..) Now it's dirty and they blame the only thing they lay claim
to doing.. Downloading and Installing an Antivirus application.

Nevermind they connected an SP1 level machine to the Internet, likely
without a firewall... Nevermind they may have installed other applications
they are used to using first (visiting web pages that may be setup to
install such items onto unprotected machines.) No Popup blocker.. No
AntiSpyware immunization mentioned.. Those are things they "didn't do".
*grin*

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--

Richard Urban
07-09-2005, 11:22 PM
I glossed over the download.com part!

--
Regards,

Richard Urban

aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)

If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!


"Shenan Stanley" <newshelper@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:OtSiMpmVFHA.2172@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Richard Urban wrote:
>> Did you buy it from the manufacturer and download it from their web
>> site or did you obtain it from one of the file sharing programs or a
>> warez site?
>
> CS wrote:
>> Avast is "FREE" for personal home use. Why would anyone need to
>> download it from a warez site?
>
> "Need" and "Did" are two separate things. There are many people who get
> all of their software from "warez" sites and never think twice about it.
> They may not even CHECK to see if the product is in fact "free" for their
> use. (Or even if it is the latest version or anything else.. They
> download it to collect and try more things.)
>
> In another light - although it is free for home use - that is not the "Pro
> Edition", which is not free.. And would have to be purchased and/or
> obtained by alternative means.
>
>
> However, all that said - in this case the OP told everyone exactly where
> they obtained the software from:
>
> "... and download 'avast anti virus' from downloads.com."
>
> And we are left assuming it is the "Home Edition" and not the
> "Professional Edition" - not that it matters much since either should be
> malware free. So they did get it from a legitmate source, they may have
> gotten the Professional edition and then gotten a "crack" or "keygen" from
> a not-so-legitimate source, however.
>
> The short of it is that it is unlikely Avast! was what caused the popups
> on this persons system. More likely the machine was not fully patched and
> protected after their "... clean installation of xp pro sp1 ..." (SP1 no
> less) and they went and did some web surfing.. (or were just ON the web,
> unprotected..) Now it's dirty and they blame the only thing they lay
> claim to doing.. Downloading and Installing an Antivirus application.
>
> Nevermind they connected an SP1 level machine to the Internet, likely
> without a firewall... Nevermind they may have installed other applications
> they are used to using first (visiting web pages that may be setup to
> install such items onto unprotected machines.) No Popup blocker.. No
> AntiSpyware immunization mentioned.. Those are things they "didn't do".
> *grin*
>
> --
> Shenan Stanley
> MS-MVP
> --
>

HeyBub
07-09-2005, 11:22 PM
JS wrote:

> Although this list is fantastic, I'm not sure it's particularly
> helpful to keep posting it. For one thing, it would be far more
> bandwidth-friendly to put it on the web and post a link.

In future, please abbreviate the word "bandwidth" as "bndwth" thereby saving
precious bndwth.

Thnks.

Bruce Chambers
07-09-2005, 11:22 PM
harry wrote:
> Just did a clean installation of xp pro sp1 and download 'avast anti virus'
> from downloads.com. my pc was flooded with undersirable web pages which
> appear by itself. When i go to 'add/remove', there are other programs being
> added such as Internet Optimiser,Istsvc,Sidefind,180 search Assistant , Power
> scan etc whcih some cannot be removed off-line.
> My question is why when I download 'Avast'-they are suppose to help me to
> keep my pc clean but I get all these rubbish into my system and according to
> NAV2005, I these are all spyware etc. Precisely why I do a clean
> installation is because NAV cannot clean it and now I am back to square it.


Why would you expect an anti-virus product to prevent your being able
to download and install adware and spyware? They're completely different.

To deal with issues caused by any sort of "adware" and/or
"spyware,"such as Gator, Comet Cursors, Smiley Central, Xupiter, Bonzai
Buddy, or KaZaA, and their remnants, that you've deliberately (but
without understanding the consequences) installed, two products that
are quite effective (at finding and removing this type of scumware) are
Ad-Aware from www.lavasoft.de and SpyBot Search & Destroy from
www.safer-networking.org/. Both have free versions. It's even possible
to use SpyBot Search & Destroy to "immunize" your system against most
future intrusions. I use both and generally perform manual scans every
week or so to clean out cookies, etc.

Additionally, manual removal instructions for the most common
varieties of scumware are available here:

PC Hell Spyware and Adware Removal Help
http://www.pchell.com/support/spyware.shtml

More information and assistance is available at these sites:

Blocking Ads, Parasites, and Hijackers with a Hosts File
http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm

The Parasite Fight
http://www.aumha.org/a/parasite.htm



--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having
both at once. - RAH

D@annyBoy
07-09-2005, 11:22 PM
4) is free for home users

"Gene Murphy" <jvitrl555@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:uUu1iFiVFHA.628@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Hi all Gene Murphy here.
> I sort of agree with JS post, i am not even close to a "techie" but have not
> been bothered by either spyware, maleware, pop-ups, Trojans, viruses, worms or
> even hacked into for nearly two years now. This is certainly only my humble
> opinion, but just a suggestion for the newbie's who just want a somewhat
> simple set of software many of it free that I find just lets me run 24/7 on
> broadband with my computer still humming along at top speed and everything is
> set on automatic so i don't even have to run manual updates of any of my
> software programs that protect me, i am way to lazy for all that stuff , and
> just want this computer to make my life easier not harder.
> This is a list of what I run on Windows XP SP2
> 1) Zone Alarm Pro. Yes this can be at first a rather difficult for the average
> home user to configure properly but with just a little reading of the online
> manual and help files it is rather simplistic.This is a paid version but a
> free scan and free version is available at
> http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/home.jsp
> 2)eTrust antivirus by computer associates >This is a paid version but in the
> next line i will give you another anti-virus that is free and is the few ones
> you can run along with other anti-virus programs that do not conflict with
> each other. Information about this one can be found at:
> http://store.ca.com/dr/sat1/ec_Main.Entry17c?SID=35715&SP=10007&PID=&PN=0&CID=179788&api1=78&api2=1&DSP=&CUR=840&PGRP=0&CACHE_ID=179788
> 3) AVG Anti-Virus, i also run the paid PRO edition but the free one works
> fine also just not quite as many bells and whistles. Information about both
> the paid version and free version can be found at:
> http://www.grisoft.com/doc/1
> 4)Microsoft Antispyware: i am running the beta version and it will run out in
> 87 days, so i don't know how much it will cost after this, but for me this is
> a very good program that scans every night at 2 am, which most of my programs
> do so i am not bothered when i am active on the computer. Information about
> this is here:
> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/software/default.mspx
> 5)IM Secure Pro: This is for the few times i use either msn messenger or yahoo
> messenger and protects you form being hacked into . Don't think they have a
> free version of this but there is a trail version available here:
> http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/home.jsp
> 6)Webroot Spy Sweeper: another paid version with a yearly subscription fee for
> current daily updates: it runs also every week in the early am so it does not
> bother me. details here:
> http://www.webroot.com/?pc=64150&rc=1&ps=R&oc=5&mjv=3&mnv=5&bld=194&kc=ppa^lkik^^^^kdi`_kwl&cd=&dcc=&drc=&mo=2&sid=87812
> 7)Spyware Blaster. This is a free program and i love it! does not actually
> scan your computer for spyware, but if you update it will just simply
> completely stop the spyware from being downloading on your machine.
> Information here" http://www.javacoolsoftware.inf
> 8)Perfect Disc: This is for me, one of the best hardrive defragmenting tools
> out there, i have compared it with the one that ships with XP and there is
> just no comparison, it runs in the background, and will only let you get so
> fragmented before it runs silently in background. This machine run at an
> amazing speed and i can multitask which i usually do being on the net,
> building web pages in front page, downloading huge files, be in outlook ,
> sending and receiving emails all without ever even getting a stalled or
> aborted program, don't know the last time i had to push alt+ctrl+delete in
> years :)
> Hope this helps in some small way, i guess my list looks overwhelming also now
> that i see it, but it is actually pretty simple for if i can do it, then i
> swear anyone can. lol info here : http://www.raxco.com/
>
> Respectfully
> The "Murf"
>>> harry wrote:
>>>
>>>>Just did a clean installation of xp pro sp1 and download 'avast anti
>>>>virus' from downloads.com. my pc was flooded with undersirable web
>>>>pages which appear by itself. When i go to 'add/remove', there are
>>>>other programs being added such as Internet
>>>>Optimiser,Istsvc,Sidefind,180 search Assistant , Power scan etc whcih
>>>>some cannot be removed off-line.
>>>>My question is why when I download 'Avast'-they are suppose to help
>>>>me to keep my pc clean but I get all these rubbish into my system and
>>>>according to NAV2005, I these are all spyware etc. Precisely why I
>>>>do a clean installation is because NAV cannot clean it and now I am
>>>>back to square it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Avast didn't give you the popups, etc..
>>>
>>> Did you firewall before connecting to the internet?
>>> Did you go to http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/ as your first visit on the
>>> Internet and patch with the critical updates?
>>> Did you install/use/immunize with AntiSpyware applications before surfing
>>> the web more than for updates and necessary applications?
>>>
>>> Tip 10 should help you reduce the spyware/malware.
>>> Tip 9 will give you options other than Avast! (although I love Avast!) for
>>> AntiVirus.
>>>
>>> Microsoft has these suggestions for Protecting your computer from the
>>> various "bad things" that could happen to you/it:
>>>
>>> Protect your PC
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/
>>>
>>>
>>> Although those tips are fantastic, there are many things you should
>>> know above and beyond what is there as well as other methods and
>>> applications you can use to protect yourself. Below I have detailed
>>> out many steps that can not only help you cleanup a problem PC but
>>> keep it clean and secure as well as running at its top performance mark.
>>>
>>> I know this list can seem intimidating - it is quite long and a lot
>>> to take in for a novice - but I assure you that one trip through this
>>> list and you will understand your computer and the options available
>>> to you for protecting your data much better and that the next time
>>> you review these steps, the time it takes will be greatly reduced.
>>
>> Hello Shenan,
>>
>> Although this list is fantastic, I'm not sure it's particularly helpful to
>> keep posting it. For one thing, it would be far more bandwidth-friendly to
>> put it on the web and post a link.
>>
>> More importantly, I don't think the kind of person who is wide open to
>> malware will be the kind of person who will benefit from your advice. Sure,
>> techie users will lap it up, but I can't see Joe Sixpack user working through
>> all that information in order to secure their PC. What they really want is a
>> magic bullet. That may be impossible but posting, say, a few links to
>> anti-spyware freeware and some short "safe hex" tips will probably be more
>> effective.
>>
>> I hope you don't take offence -- like I said, I think your advice is great --
>> so consider this constructive criticism.
>>
>> JS
>
>

harry
07-09-2005, 11:23 PM
Many thanks while I try to digest all the information. After my clean
installation from xp sp1 cd,, then install the MS application like Words etc,
I go to the internet to download Avast. In fact downloads.com was set as
default page so that I can access to the site asap. My intention was to get
that and later to do Ms updates. Its not the Avast but all those
spyware/malware that tag along with it. (not even 2 minutes of internet time,
its almost instant infection) Well, guess I will have fun 'cleaning' if not
reformat.

"Bruce Chambers" wrote:

> harry wrote:
> > Just did a clean installation of xp pro sp1 and download 'avast anti virus'
> > from downloads.com. my pc was flooded with undersirable web pages which
> > appear by itself. When i go to 'add/remove', there are other programs being
> > added such as Internet Optimiser,Istsvc,Sidefind,180 search Assistant , Power
> > scan etc whcih some cannot be removed off-line.
> > My question is why when I download 'Avast'-they are suppose to help me to
> > keep my pc clean but I get all these rubbish into my system and according to
> > NAV2005, I these are all spyware etc. Precisely why I do a clean
> > installation is because NAV cannot clean it and now I am back to square it.
>
>
> Why would you expect an anti-virus product to prevent your being able
> to download and install adware and spyware? They're completely different.
>
> To deal with issues caused by any sort of "adware" and/or
> "spyware,"such as Gator, Comet Cursors, Smiley Central, Xupiter, Bonzai
> Buddy, or KaZaA, and their remnants, that you've deliberately (but
> without understanding the consequences) installed, two products that
> are quite effective (at finding and removing this type of scumware) are
> Ad-Aware from www.lavasoft.de and SpyBot Search & Destroy from
> www.safer-networking.org/. Both have free versions. It's even possible
> to use SpyBot Search & Destroy to "immunize" your system against most
> future intrusions. I use both and generally perform manual scans every
> week or so to clean out cookies, etc.
>
> Additionally, manual removal instructions for the most common
> varieties of scumware are available here:
>
> PC Hell Spyware and Adware Removal Help
> http://www.pchell.com/support/spyware.shtml
>
> More information and assistance is available at these sites:
>
> Blocking Ads, Parasites, and Hijackers with a Hosts File
> http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm
>
> The Parasite Fight
> http://www.aumha.org/a/parasite.htm
>
>
>
> --
>
> Bruce Chambers
>
> Help us help you:
> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>
> You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having
> both at once. - RAH
>

Gordon
07-09-2005, 11:23 PM
harry wrote:
|| Many thanks while I try to digest all the information. After my clean
|| installation from xp sp1 cd,, then install the MS application like
|| Words etc, I go to the internet to download Avast. In fact
|| downloads.com was set as default page so that I can access to the
|| site asap. My intention was to get that and later to do Ms updates.
|| Its not the Avast but all those spyware/malware that tag along with
|| it. (not even 2 minutes of internet time, its almost instant
|| infection)

Presumably you accessed the internet without first either installing a
firewall or activating the Windows firewall?


--
Gordon Burgess-Parker
Interim Systems and Management Accounting
www.gbpcomputing.co.uk

Kerry Brown
07-09-2005, 11:23 PM
"harry" <harry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:D662CA80-2E2E-4506-ABE0-BBCB18A1D092@microsoft.com...
> Many thanks while I try to digest all the information. After my clean
> installation from xp sp1 cd,, then install the MS application like Words
> etc,
> I go to the internet to download Avast. In fact downloads.com was set as
> default page so that I can access to the site asap. My intention was to
> get
> that and later to do Ms updates. Its not the Avast but all those
> spyware/malware that tag along with it. (not even 2 minutes of internet
> time,
> its almost instant infection) Well, guess I will have fun 'cleaning' if
> not
> reformat.
>

They didn't tag along with Avast. You were connected to the internet without
a firewall. Before you clean your computer download a free firewall
www.zonelabs.com or www.kerio.com and save the installation file to a CDROM.
Do not have your computer connected to the internet when installing Windows.
Unless your version of Windows has SP2 included you will be infected before
Windows is finished installing. Once Windows is installed, then install the
firewall. You could also use the firewall built in to SP1. It is off by
default. To turn it on see the following link:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;283673

Only after you have a firewall runing can you safely connect to the
internet. If you are using broadband (cable or DSL) you could purchase an
inexpensive router ( <$100 ) and hook it up before installing Windows. This
should also prevent infection while Windows is being installed.

Kerry


> "Bruce Chambers" wrote:
>
>> harry wrote:
>> > Just did a clean installation of xp pro sp1 and download 'avast anti
>> > virus'
>> > from downloads.com. my pc was flooded with undersirable web pages which
>> > appear by itself. When i go to 'add/remove', there are other programs
>> > being
>> > added such as Internet Optimiser,Istsvc,Sidefind,180 search Assistant ,
>> > Power
>> > scan etc whcih some cannot be removed off-line.
>> > My question is why when I download 'Avast'-they are suppose to help me
>> > to
>> > keep my pc clean but I get all these rubbish into my system and
>> > according to
>> > NAV2005, I these are all spyware etc. Precisely why I do a clean
>> > installation is because NAV cannot clean it and now I am back to square
>> > it.
>>
>>
>> Why would you expect an anti-virus product to prevent your being able
>> to download and install adware and spyware? They're completely
>> different.
>>
>> To deal with issues caused by any sort of "adware" and/or
>> "spyware,"such as Gator, Comet Cursors, Smiley Central, Xupiter, Bonzai
>> Buddy, or KaZaA, and their remnants, that you've deliberately (but
>> without understanding the consequences) installed, two products that
>> are quite effective (at finding and removing this type of scumware) are
>> Ad-Aware from www.lavasoft.de and SpyBot Search & Destroy from
>> www.safer-networking.org/. Both have free versions. It's even possible
>> to use SpyBot Search & Destroy to "immunize" your system against most
>> future intrusions. I use both and generally perform manual scans every
>> week or so to clean out cookies, etc.
>>
>> Additionally, manual removal instructions for the most common
>> varieties of scumware are available here:
>>
>> PC Hell Spyware and Adware Removal Help
>> http://www.pchell.com/support/spyware.shtml
>>
>> More information and assistance is available at these sites:
>>
>> Blocking Ads, Parasites, and Hijackers with a Hosts File
>> http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm
>>
>> The Parasite Fight
>> http://www.aumha.org/a/parasite.htm
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Bruce Chambers
>>
>> Help us help you:
>> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>>
>> You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having
>> both at once. - RAH
>>

Richard Urban
07-09-2005, 11:23 PM
I know of soo many people who were infected the very first time the plugged
in their new broadband connection, sometimes within seconds.

It happened to me about a year ago. I was setting up a new computer for a
client. I had neglected to first install ZA Free, which I give to every
client. After installing the O/S I plugged in the DSL line and went
immediately to Windows Update. Before I even began the download procedure I
was getting pop up windows galore!


--
Regards,

Richard Urban

aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)

If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!


"Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message
news:%23T9ZE1vVFHA.3140@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> "harry" <harry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:D662CA80-2E2E-4506-ABE0-BBCB18A1D092@microsoft.com...
>> Many thanks while I try to digest all the information. After my clean
>> installation from xp sp1 cd,, then install the MS application like Words
>> etc,
>> I go to the internet to download Avast. In fact downloads.com was set as
>> default page so that I can access to the site asap. My intention was to
>> get
>> that and later to do Ms updates. Its not the Avast but all those
>> spyware/malware that tag along with it. (not even 2 minutes of internet
>> time,
>> its almost instant infection) Well, guess I will have fun 'cleaning' if
>> not
>> reformat.
>>
>
> They didn't tag along with Avast. You were connected to the internet
> without a firewall. Before you clean your computer download a free
> firewall www.zonelabs.com or www.kerio.com and save the installation file
> to a CDROM. Do not have your computer connected to the internet when
> installing Windows. Unless your version of Windows has SP2 included you
> will be infected before Windows is finished installing. Once Windows is
> installed, then install the firewall. You could also use the firewall
> built in to SP1. It is off by default. To turn it on see the following
> link:
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;283673
>
> Only after you have a firewall runing can you safely connect to the
> internet. If you are using broadband (cable or DSL) you could purchase an
> inexpensive router ( <$100 ) and hook it up before installing Windows.
> This should also prevent infection while Windows is being installed.
>
> Kerry
>
>
>> "Bruce Chambers" wrote:
>>
>>> harry wrote:
>>> > Just did a clean installation of xp pro sp1 and download 'avast anti
>>> > virus'
>>> > from downloads.com. my pc was flooded with undersirable web pages
>>> > which
>>> > appear by itself. When i go to 'add/remove', there are other programs
>>> > being
>>> > added such as Internet Optimiser,Istsvc,Sidefind,180 search Assistant
>>> > , Power
>>> > scan etc whcih some cannot be removed off-line.
>>> > My question is why when I download 'Avast'-they are suppose to help me
>>> > to
>>> > keep my pc clean but I get all these rubbish into my system and
>>> > according to
>>> > NAV2005, I these are all spyware etc. Precisely why I do a clean
>>> > installation is because NAV cannot clean it and now I am back to
>>> > square it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Why would you expect an anti-virus product to prevent your being able
>>> to download and install adware and spyware? They're completely
>>> different.
>>>
>>> To deal with issues caused by any sort of "adware" and/or
>>> "spyware,"such as Gator, Comet Cursors, Smiley Central, Xupiter, Bonzai
>>> Buddy, or KaZaA, and their remnants, that you've deliberately (but
>>> without understanding the consequences) installed, two products that
>>> are quite effective (at finding and removing this type of scumware) are
>>> Ad-Aware from www.lavasoft.de and SpyBot Search & Destroy from
>>> www.safer-networking.org/. Both have free versions. It's even possible
>>> to use SpyBot Search & Destroy to "immunize" your system against most
>>> future intrusions. I use both and generally perform manual scans every
>>> week or so to clean out cookies, etc.
>>>
>>> Additionally, manual removal instructions for the most common
>>> varieties of scumware are available here:
>>>
>>> PC Hell Spyware and Adware Removal Help
>>> http://www.pchell.com/support/spyware.shtml
>>>
>>> More information and assistance is available at these sites:
>>>
>>> Blocking Ads, Parasites, and Hijackers with a Hosts File
>>> http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm
>>>
>>> The Parasite Fight
>>> http://www.aumha.org/a/parasite.htm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Bruce Chambers
>>>
>>> Help us help you:
>>> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>>> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>>>
>>> You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having
>>> both at once. - RAH
>>>
>
>

harry
07-09-2005, 11:23 PM
Many thanks. In fact, I have been wondering did I turn on the MS firewall
before I go to internet. While installation, only the basic connected,
mouse/kb/monitor. Oh well, we learn something new each day, problem is
sticking to it......
Once again, many thanks

"Richard Urban" wrote:

> I know of soo many people who were infected the very first time the plugged
> in their new broadband connection, sometimes within seconds.
>
> It happened to me about a year ago. I was setting up a new computer for a
> client. I had neglected to first install ZA Free, which I give to every
> client. After installing the O/S I plugged in the DSL line and went
> immediately to Windows Update. Before I even began the download procedure I
> was getting pop up windows galore!
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Richard Urban
>
> aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)
>
> If you knew as much as you think you know,
> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>
>
> "Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message
> news:%23T9ZE1vVFHA.3140@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> > "harry" <harry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:D662CA80-2E2E-4506-ABE0-BBCB18A1D092@microsoft.com...
> >> Many thanks while I try to digest all the information. After my clean
> >> installation from xp sp1 cd,, then install the MS application like Words
> >> etc,
> >> I go to the internet to download Avast. In fact downloads.com was set as
> >> default page so that I can access to the site asap. My intention was to
> >> get
> >> that and later to do Ms updates. Its not the Avast but all those
> >> spyware/malware that tag along with it. (not even 2 minutes of internet
> >> time,
> >> its almost instant infection) Well, guess I will have fun 'cleaning' if
> >> not
> >> reformat.
> >>
> >
> > They didn't tag along with Avast. You were connected to the internet
> > without a firewall. Before you clean your computer download a free
> > firewall www.zonelabs.com or www.kerio.com and save the installation file
> > to a CDROM. Do not have your computer connected to the internet when
> > installing Windows. Unless your version of Windows has SP2 included you
> > will be infected before Windows is finished installing. Once Windows is
> > installed, then install the firewall. You could also use the firewall
> > built in to SP1. It is off by default. To turn it on see the following
> > link:
> >
> > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;283673
> >
> > Only after you have a firewall runing can you safely connect to the
> > internet. If you are using broadband (cable or DSL) you could purchase an
> > inexpensive router ( <$100 ) and hook it up before installing Windows.
> > This should also prevent infection while Windows is being installed.
> >
> > Kerry
> >
> >
> >> "Bruce Chambers" wrote:
> >>
> >>> harry wrote:
> >>> > Just did a clean installation of xp pro sp1 and download 'avast anti
> >>> > virus'
> >>> > from downloads.com. my pc was flooded with undersirable web pages
> >>> > which
> >>> > appear by itself. When i go to 'add/remove', there are other programs
> >>> > being
> >>> > added such as Internet Optimiser,Istsvc,Sidefind,180 search Assistant
> >>> > , Power
> >>> > scan etc whcih some cannot be removed off-line.
> >>> > My question is why when I download 'Avast'-they are suppose to help me
> >>> > to
> >>> > keep my pc clean but I get all these rubbish into my system and
> >>> > according to
> >>> > NAV2005, I these are all spyware etc. Precisely why I do a clean
> >>> > installation is because NAV cannot clean it and now I am back to
> >>> > square it.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Why would you expect an anti-virus product to prevent your being able
> >>> to download and install adware and spyware? They're completely
> >>> different.
> >>>
> >>> To deal with issues caused by any sort of "adware" and/or
> >>> "spyware,"such as Gator, Comet Cursors, Smiley Central, Xupiter, Bonzai
> >>> Buddy, or KaZaA, and their remnants, that you've deliberately (but
> >>> without understanding the consequences) installed, two products that
> >>> are quite effective (at finding and removing this type of scumware) are
> >>> Ad-Aware from www.lavasoft.de and SpyBot Search & Destroy from
> >>> www.safer-networking.org/. Both have free versions. It's even possible
> >>> to use SpyBot Search & Destroy to "immunize" your system against most
> >>> future intrusions. I use both and generally perform manual scans every
> >>> week or so to clean out cookies, etc.
> >>>
> >>> Additionally, manual removal instructions for the most common
> >>> varieties of scumware are available here:
> >>>
> >>> PC Hell Spyware and Adware Removal Help
> >>> http://www.pchell.com/support/spyware.shtml
> >>>
> >>> More information and assistance is available at these sites:
> >>>
> >>> Blocking Ads, Parasites, and Hijackers with a Hosts File
> >>> http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm
> >>>
> >>> The Parasite Fight
> >>> http://www.aumha.org/a/parasite.htm
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> Bruce Chambers
> >>>
> >>> Help us help you:
> >>> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> >>> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
> >>>
> >>> You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having
> >>> both at once. - RAH
> >>>
> >
> >
>
>
>


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