No Explorer.exe desired for logon



John in FL
07-09-2005, 09:24 PM
How best does one get a user logon without explorer.exe starting? I am
currently trying to build a configuration without winlogon and using minlogon
with no shells.

--
John

KM
07-09-2005, 09:24 PM
John,

No shell? It is possible (you will just have to ignore some TD build system
errors, though) but what would be the purpose of such image?
I can see a value there only you write you own kernel based app or new
client/server runtime.

If you don't want Explorer to start up automatically, switch to another
Shell component in your configuration.

KM

> How best does one get a user logon without explorer.exe starting? I am
> currently trying to build a configuration without winlogon and using
> minlogon
> with no shells.
>
> --
> John

KM
07-09-2005, 09:24 PM
John,

No shell? It is possible (you will just have to ignore some TD build system
errors, though) but what would be the purpose of such image?
I can see a value there only you write you own kernel based app or new
client/server runtime.

If you don't want Explorer to start up automatically, switch to another
Shell component in your configuration.

KM

> How best does one get a user logon without explorer.exe starting? I am
> currently trying to build a configuration without winlogon and using
> minlogon
> with no shells.
>
> --
> John

KM
07-09-2005, 09:24 PM
John,

What problems you faced switching to Minlogon? If you give us more details,
we may be able to help you with that move.

I must admit I don't understand what you mean by "no shells". Are you trying
to implement your own custom shell in the image?

KM

> OK, so I tried the minlogon and I quit trying after discrepancies with
> other
> components just kept taking me in circles. So I am back where I was with
> a
> Windows Logon component with no shells (command, explorer, task manager or
> custom) maybe I will get somewhere with this.
>
> "John in FL" wrote:
>
>> How best does one get a user logon without explorer.exe starting? I am
>> currently trying to build a configuration without winlogon and using
>> minlogon
>> with no shells.
>>
>> --
>> John

John in FL
07-09-2005, 09:24 PM
I don't want explorer to start for 2 reasons: 1) it saves a bit of memory and
our application is memory intensive, 2) if explorer is there the top of the
hidden taskbar is visible at the bottom of our full screen 3-d application.
There is no need for explorer as there is no direct user interaction with the
system, no keyboard and mouse. If there is any user interaction it is by a
technician for maintenance from a remote console via VNC.

"KM" wrote:

> John,
>
> No shell? It is possible (you will just have to ignore some TD build system
> errors, though) but what would be the purpose of such image?
> I can see a value there only you write you own kernel based app or new
> client/server runtime.
>
> If you don't want Explorer to start up automatically, switch to another
> Shell component in your configuration.
>
> KM
>
> > How best does one get a user logon without explorer.exe starting? I am
> > currently trying to build a configuration without winlogon and using
> > minlogon
> > with no shells.
> >
> > --
> > John
>
>
>
>

KM
07-09-2005, 09:24 PM
John,

Understood.

Well.. Since you are talking about VNC (not RDP) then you definitely want to
look at Minlogon.
Let us know what exactly problems you faced there and then we can talk about
things that may be done.

Btw, either start your Minlogon image from scratch or turn off Auto-Resolve
dependencies in TD.

KM

>I don't want explorer to start for 2 reasons: 1) it saves a bit of memory
>and
> our application is memory intensive, 2) if explorer is there the top of
> the
> hidden taskbar is visible at the bottom of our full screen 3-d
> application.
> There is no need for explorer as there is no direct user interaction with
> the
> system, no keyboard and mouse. If there is any user interaction it is by
> a
> technician for maintenance from a remote console via VNC.
>
> "KM" wrote:
>
>> John,
>>
>> No shell? It is possible (you will just have to ignore some TD build
>> system
>> errors, though) but what would be the purpose of such image?
>> I can see a value there only you write you own kernel based app or new
>> client/server runtime.
>>
>> If you don't want Explorer to start up automatically, switch to another
>> Shell component in your configuration.
>>
>> KM
>>
>> > How best does one get a user logon without explorer.exe starting? I am
>> > currently trying to build a configuration without winlogon and using
>> > minlogon
>> > with no shells.
>> >
>> > --
>> > John
>>
>>
>>
>>

John in FL
07-09-2005, 09:24 PM
For now I have replaced the explorer.exe in
HKLM\Software\Microsoft\WindowsNT\CurrentVersion\WinLogon\Shell with an
application that must always run at startup. I will explore a new image with
minlogon soon.
--
John


"KM" wrote:

> John,
>
> Understood.
>
> Well.. Since you are talking about VNC (not RDP) then you definitely want to
> look at Minlogon.
> Let us know what exactly problems you faced there and then we can talk about
> things that may be done.
>
> Btw, either start your Minlogon image from scratch or turn off Auto-Resolve
> dependencies in TD.
>
> KM
>
> >I don't want explorer to start for 2 reasons: 1) it saves a bit of memory
> >and
> > our application is memory intensive, 2) if explorer is there the top of
> > the
> > hidden taskbar is visible at the bottom of our full screen 3-d
> > application.
> > There is no need for explorer as there is no direct user interaction with
> > the
> > system, no keyboard and mouse. If there is any user interaction it is by
> > a
> > technician for maintenance from a remote console via VNC.
> >
> > "KM" wrote:
> >
> >> John,
> >>
> >> No shell? It is possible (you will just have to ignore some TD build
> >> system
> >> errors, though) but what would be the purpose of such image?
> >> I can see a value there only you write you own kernel based app or new
> >> client/server runtime.
> >>
> >> If you don't want Explorer to start up automatically, switch to another
> >> Shell component in your configuration.
> >>
> >> KM
> >>
> >> > How best does one get a user logon without explorer.exe starting? I am
> >> > currently trying to build a configuration without winlogon and using
> >> > minlogon
> >> > with no shells.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > John
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>


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